--- Log for 16.06.112 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 day and 0 hours ago 00.03.10 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 00.13.39 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0/20120605113340]) 00.14.18 # I had no issues with it 00.19.12 # do we have a playlist expert? 00.24.48 Quit WilliamC (Quit: Leaving) 00.25.23 Quit anewuser () 00.27.24 Join anewuser [0] (~anewuser@190.207.133.120) 00.27.24 Quit anewuser (Changing host) 00.27.24 Join anewuser [0] (~anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 00.30.41 Quit anewuser (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.31.54 Join anewuser [0] (~anewuser@190.207.133.120) 00.31.54 Quit anewuser (Changing host) 00.31.54 Join anewuser [0] (~anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 00.36.42 # n 00.39.07 Quit bertrik (Quit: And That, My Liege, Is How We Know the Earth to Be Banana Shaped) 00.39.49 Join perrikwp_ [0] (~quassel@cpe-024-163-024-033.triad.res.rr.com) 00.42.40 Quit perrikwp (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 00.44.25 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 00.53.16 Quit ender` (Quit: Look, no one's hating Apple for selling this stuff. 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g#275 looks fine 13.59.24 # 3Gerrit review #275 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/275 : Make touchscreen handling work with skinned lists. by Frank Gevaerts (changes/75/275/2) 14.01.22 # JdGordon: ok. I think bug-wise it's ok (I mean, it works). 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All in the author, I guess. 16.24.01 # It appears to be 50px here 16.25.14 Join ChanServ [0] (ChanServ@services.) 16.25.14 Mode "#rockbox +o ChanServ " by kornbluth.freenode.net 16.30.12 Quit dfkt (Quit: -= SysReset 2.55=- Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.) 16.32.36 # AlexP: the branch has a 768x1024 cabbie port. could possibly adapt it, its not too off 16.33.06 # kugelp: Could do, but I'm just making my own simple one for now that does what I want, rather than wrestling with cabbie 16.33.46 # damn, I thought I could trick you into doing the work for me ;-) 16.34.01 # :) 16.36.00 # kugelp: While you are here... :) 16.36.24 # Is there a particular reason why you can skip but not seek using a toucscreen "button" in the sbs? 16.36.32 # (if you know) :) 16.36.59 # seek can currently only be done in the wps 16.37.13 # I know, but is there a reason for that? 16.37.34 # As it would be quite handy to be able to do it in the sbs 16.38.38 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 16.38.51 # I think there is no real reason, the code happens to be laid out this way 16.39.18 # OK, that's good news in that it suggests there is nothing inherently blocking it, just someone to do it :) 16.39.36 # the seek code and corresponding GUI code are tied together 16.39.50 # yeah 16.40.26 # hello guys 16.41.40 # when selecting the theme ALiEn+ on the R0 and then selecting back another theme, the menu icons don't show up anymore. I have to go to settings>theme settings>show icons to see them again 16.41.53 # is it a problem with the ALiEn+ theme or the other themes? 16.42.19 Nick kugelp is now known as kugel (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 16.48.21 # kugel: Staus bar works and looks great, thanks :) 16.50.37 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: Bye ;)) 16.51.51 # AlexP: you can toggle it in the debug menu for the fun:-) 16.52.11 # oh, cool (although I'll have it on all the time) 16.52.16 # lebellium: sounds like the alien theme disables them and the other themrd don't change that setting 16.52.36 # <[Saint]> n1s: beat me to it. 16.52.48 # <[Saint]> That's a very likely explanation. 16.54.41 # nls: that's what I thought too but I don't know what to change in my cfg file to prevent that behaviour. For the moment there is "show icons: -" but replacing "-" by "on" or "yes" doesn't seem to work 16.55.14 # even in the official cabbie there is nothing to prevent that 16.56.14 # This is great with the status bar :) 16.56.52 Part Dhraakellian ("Konversation terminated!") 16.59.34 Join [Saint_] [0] (~Saint]@101.98.158.103) 16.59.41 Quit [Saint_] (Changing host) 16.59.41 Join [Saint_] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 17.02.04 # <[Saint_]> lebellium: afaik, you're right...there isn't anything guarding another theme from switching off cabbiev2's icons. 17.02.12 # <[Saint_]> you're free to submit a patch :) 17.03.51 # I think it helps to reboot after applying a theme 17.04.04 # <[Saint_]> that shouldn't change anything. 17.04.20 # <[Saint_]> and, if it does, it doesn't help this particular case. 17.04.41 # it worked for me in the past 17.05.12 # <[Saint_]> rebooting cannot fix a theme not specifying its desired defaults. 17.05.39 # <[Saint_]> the "problem" here is that themes assume that another theme won't set a value it doesn't want set. 17.06.28 # <[Saint_]> so not only does your theme cfg have to set all the values you want set, it also has to unset all the values you specifically don't want set. etc. 17.07.05 # my bad, it seems that "show icons: on" in the cfg file works. 17.07.21 # that's what "safe theme settings" is for 17.07.21 # <[Saint_]> lebellium: whoops...did I not say that? 17.07.53 # <[Saint_]> kugel: errrr...come again? 17.08.20 # no, not again :-) 17.08.44 # <[Saint_]> In all seriousness, though..."what?" 17.08.44 # Nope you did not but I said that it doesn't work while it actually does, I did not check well... so I guess there should be this line in the official cabbiev2 cfg file for any target 17.09.05 # <[Saint_]> lebellium: it should be, yes. 17.09.22 # <[Saint_]> there's other instances too...scrollbar placement and size, for example. 17.09.35 # settings->manage settings->save theme settings writes all theme settings to the cfg, default or not 17.10.05 # <[Saint_]> Ahhhhh...."save" 17.10.15 # <[Saint_]> right, now I know what you're talking about. 17.10.41 # this way you make prevent side effects from previous themes 17.10.53 # s/make// 17.11.06 # <[Saint_]> Alternatively, the theme could just not be...y'know, broken :) 17.11.16 # <[Saint_]> I should get onto this. 17.11.23 # same thing 17.11.33 # <[Saint_]> It is pretty shitty behaviour, that's highly avoidable. 17.13.10 # <[Saint_]> lebellium: for your own amusement, or interest, or whatever...I'll note this: The setting for show icons should be "-" as opposed to on or off, as then it will respect the user setting. 17.13.27 # <[Saint_]> this provides a way for it to "just work" based on what the user wants set. 17.14.04 # <[Saint_]> (at least, its supposed to...but may very well be broken) 17.15.07 # yes that was "-" in the current version of my theme but that can only work if ALL themes use "-". The Alien+ theme uses "off" so that causes the problem... 17.15.38 # <[Saint_]> all themes *should* use "-" :) 17.15.45 # <[Saint_]> If they don't, its broken. :) 17.16.18 # <[Saint_]> "Thou shalt not force a user definable setting!" (the long lost 11th commandment, given only to me) 17.16.22 # so what's the best to do? make a minor update for my theme with the setting "on" or ask the Alien+ designer to set it to "-"? 17.16.53 # <[Saint_]> why would you want to force yours to on? 17.17.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.17.30 # <[Saint_]> whats best, is for everyone to respect the user defined setting. 17.18.41 # [Saint_]: - is another thing 17.19.02 # <[Saint_]> kugel: isn't "-" use the user defined setting? 17.19.14 # to respect a user setting just don't include the setting in the cfg 17.19.39 # the result is the same no? 17.20.02 # - is to use the internal fall back for some filename settings 17.20.59 # like "no backdrop" 17.21.31 # <[Saint_]> Hmmmm...I thought that it could also be used to set the current user setting for some things. Perhaps I'm thinking of the past, but I do recall using it this way. 17.21.56 # set the current setting is 17.22.18 # <[Saint_]> thanks, Yoda. 17.22.19 # the same thing as not changing it at all 17.23.42 # I guess - behaves the same since its an invalid value (neither on or off) and thus simply ignored 17.24.20 # which would be the same as not having the line at all in the cfg 17.25.55 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 17.26.42 # <[Saint_]> this does cause a whole barrel of laughs, doesn't it?: Theme A sets icons off, theme B is set to the user default (which before theme A was applied, lets assume was on), as a result of theme A being previously applied the users preference has now changed...so all themes may as well just bloody hardcode everything and say fuck the defaults as they'll get messed up anyway :) 17.27.10 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g231122098.adsl.alicedsl.de) 17.27.26 # <[Saint_]> lebellium: I'm starting to see your predicament very clearly now... 17.29.24 # <[Saint_]> What we _should_ do is take a snapshot of the current state of each cfg value a theme wants to change before it is applied, and roll back to those values immediately before applying anohter theme. 17.29.58 # you get it, that's why I really don't know what to do, I can just say I'm fed up with setting back icons on everytime after I used a theme that hides icons. 17.31.07 # <[Saint_]> At the end of the day, its your theme, and if others like it and get a kick out of it...great. But it should be set up in a way that at the very l;east doesn't annoy you :) 17.31.37 # well I can let it on "-" for the public version and put "on" just for me :p 17.32.07 # <[Saint_]> I have a massive sense of deja vu now, going over this again, as there's no "nice" way to handle unsetting values another theme might or might not set. 17.32.22 # its simple. if theme B is designed for icons then it has to include the means to turn them on 17.32.26 # <[Saint_]> It occured to me I have already had this conversation quite some time ago. 17.33.05 # <[Saint_]> kugel: but, its not "simple"...as what if the user doesn't want icons on? 17.33.21 # he has to turn them off manually in the settings 17.33.36 # <[Saint_]> you shouldn't really have to go back and re-set a setting after applying a theme. 17.34.44 # as lebellium said 17.34.52 # <[Saint_]> It could be worse, sure, but the way it is now obviously isn't ideal...or this discussion wouldn't have occured and I'd still be in bed :) 17.35.55 # there is no such thing like "user defined default" 17.36.14 # <[Saint_]> right, that's the problem. 17.36.22 # there's a hardcoded default (in the binary) and the current value 17.36.38 # Shortcuts and Recent Bookmarks use the same icon code :/ 17.37.06 # <[Saint_]> AlexP: ohhhh...don't get me started on icons :) 17.37.35 # <[Saint_]> there's 30 of them, half of them don't get used, and the other half are used in a very weird way. 17.37.45 # It means two menu items get the same icon 17.38.01 # And seeing as I'm using icons as the major way of navigating 17.38.20 # <[Saint_]> Yeah, icons, especially viewer icons, haven't seen love in years. 17.38.45 # AlexP: you found that some month ago with another theme didn't you? 17.39.02 # however, adding an icon is easier than ever 17.39.36 # kugel: Yeah, but I'd forgotten 17.39.54 # I reckon I can fettle it with if 17.40.22 # kugel: If I changed the icon index I'd have to add a new one to the existing icon sets, which sounds liek work :) 17.40.43 # <[Saint_]> and its hardcoded at 31 iirc 17.40.53 # <[Saint_]> (well, 30 including 0) 17.43.11 # AlexP: right, but these days icon sets can be generated with ease 17.44.04 # <[Saint_]> Only one new icon need be made, really. 17.44.50 # <[Saint_]> Well, in actual fact, one of the many icons that never gets used could be replaced. 17.50.51 # I've worked round it with "%?if(%LT,=,Shortcuts)<%xd(c)|%xd(o)>" 17.52.06 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@173-23-42-120.client.mchsi.com) 18.03.01 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 18.04.18 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g231122098.adsl.alicedsl.de) 18.07.55 Nick kugel is now known as kugelp (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 18.15.06 Join tmzt_ [0] (~tmzt@99.164.36.59) 18.18.42 Quit tmzt (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 18.20.49 Join TomColler [0] (~thomas@ppp-158-141.25-151.libero.it) 18.20.57 Part TomColler 18.23.04 Join GermanMushroom [0] (~c@s5146db6a.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 18.23.52 Join user485763 [0] (~aoeu@112.166.15.141) 18.24.25 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 18.33.13 Quit GermanMushroom (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 18.36.42 Join perrikwp_ [0] (~quassel@cpe-024-163-024-033.triad.res.rr.com) 18.39.25 Quit perrikwp (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 18.50.49 Quit liar (Read error: Connection timed out) 18.52.47 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 18.54.26 Nick perrikwp_ is now known as perrikwp (~quassel@cpe-024-163-024-033.triad.res.rr.com) 18.55.20 Join kevku [0] (x@heaaqi4aafadxhmb3n3uqkzn57u.dyn.reverse.name) 19.00.06 Join sansafuze [0] (~46be935b@www.haxx.se) 19.00.31 Quit sansafuze (Client Quit) 19.07.30 Nick kugelp is now known as kugel (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 19.07.31 Nick kugel is now known as kugelp (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 19.07.55 Nick kugelp is now known as kugel (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 19.17.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.18.44 Join GermanMushroom [0] (~c@s5146db6a.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 19.21.19 Quit [Saint_] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.21.20 Quit Thra11 (Remote host closed the connection) 19.21.58 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0/20120612164001]) 19.22.17 Quit Szatan (Changing host) 19.22.17 Join Szatan [0] (principal@unaffiliated/blown-engine) 19.24.11 Join Thra11 [0] (~thrall@84.93.154.59) 19.24.34 Join sansafuze [0] (~46be935b@www.haxx.se) 19.25.17 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@101.98.158.103) 19.25.17 Quit [Saint] (Changing host) 19.25.17 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 19.25.26 Quit sansafuze (Client Quit) 19.25.36 Quit Thra11 (Remote host closed the connection) 19.26.28 Join webguest68 [0] (~46be935b@www.haxx.se) 19.26.36 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@g231086116.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.27.24 Join Thra11 [0] (~thrall@84.93.154.59) 19.27.34 # Hi, are there any plans to add mp4 support to the mpeg player? 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You should check out the code I have to make the viewports do the dance I want them to with the conditions needed. 21.30.45 # fuze+ makes me cry 21.30.51 # why have you forsaken buttons, sandisk! 21.31.05 # <[Saint]> Basically, "thou shalt not draw one viewport overtop another" 21.31.15 # [Saint]: Yeah, can't not do that 21.31.20 # It is where the AA is 21.31.33 # I meant more fix in Rockbox proper, not the skin :) 21.32.07 # <[Saint]> You could draw AA to the backdrop. 21.32.30 # oh, OK 21.32.36 # yeah, that'd work 21.32.38 # cheers :) 21.32.39 # <[Saint]> I didn't realise the viewport in question contained no dynamic info. 21.32.43 # hmm, i wailt while rockbox support sd card >64 gb on fuze+ 21.33.20 # <[Saint]> There's no limit to the support of sdcards on Rockbox as I understand it. 21.33.56 # <[Saint]> Where does it say there's a hard limit on sdcard size? 21.34.02 # it is hardware lock or bootloader? 21.34.24 # <[Saint]> What lock are you talking about? No such thing exists. 21.34.45 # memory card 21.35.42 # <[Saint]> The fact that the Sansa firmware doesn't support size-X sdcards has no bearing on Rockbox. 21.37.19 # kk :) 21.38.21 # sansa can work with 300 Ohm headphones? 21.38.41 # [Saint]: SD go only up to 32gb 21.39.20 # <[Saint]> funman: after which it becomes sdhc which is functionally identical no? 21.39.22 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@82.159.1.234.dyn.user.ono.com) 21.39.30 # no, SD go to 2GB and SDHC go to 32GB 21.39.49 # SDXC has another larger limit though 21.39.56 # funman, sd 2gb, sdhc, from 4 gb to 32 gb, sdxc >64 gb 21.40.26 # <[Saint]> Ohhhh...whoops. I though sdhc was 64 21.40.45 # <[Saint]> Consider the last few minutes retracted. 21.42.28 # in Poland microsdhc card 32 gb cost 115 pln in dollars ~34 usd 21.42.41 # 10 class 21.44.14 # <[Saint]> Offtopic, but...."my God that's not cheap" 21.44.16 # hifiman vs sansa audio quality? 21.44.29 # <[Saint]> Subjective. 21.49.39 # AlexP: works fine in git cabbiev2, no? 21.50.01 # the track info is redrawn when the volume popup goes away 21.50.42 # I believe (but not sure) the trick is that the track info is also a conditional viewport with the exact opposite conditions 21.51.00 # <[Saint]> Its AA, and I assume he's only partially covering it. 21.53.58 # <[Saint]> The solution is to draw the as into the backdrop buffer so it doesn't have to do a(n impossible) partial update. 21.54.18 # yeah, I'v put the AA into the backdrop layer and it works 21.54.56 # <[Saint]> *AA (PS: I say solution like its tested and proven, its not, but the theory is sound :)) 21.55.05 # <[Saint]> Oh, great timing! 22.06.14 Quit [7] (Remote host closed the connection) 22.08.32 # <[Saint]> AlexP: one thing I just thought of (not sure why I'm mentioning it really as there's no way {I can think of} around it) is that AA may take quite a bit longer to refresh on track change/skip now than you're used to. 22.09.14 # Because it is in the backdrop? 22.09.22 # * [Saint] nods 22.10.05 # still hasn't refreshed after 30 seconds :/ 22.10.10 # (just testing) 22.10.36 # 1 minute 22.10.40 # This is useless :) 22.11.22 # I think the backdrop buffer is supposed to be redrawn on track change. file a bug report 22.11.35 # Hasn't changed yet after 2 minutes :) 22.12.09 # kugel: I'm slightly reticent as I'm using your branch not master 22.13.37 Quit TheLemonMan (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 22.14.44 Quit zu (Quit: leaving) 22.15.32 # <[Saint]> I believe kugel is right, track change is the probably the least frequently it _should_ update. A few events should (now at least that drawing stuff in the backdrop buffer is possible) force a refresh too. 22.15.59 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 22.17.05 # <[Saint]> Touched == true should probably trigger an update, for instance. 22.21.49 Join zu [0] (~zu@ks387228.kimsufi.com) 22.24.55 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~LemonBoy@ppp-242-60.26-151.libero.it) 22.25.26 Quit GermanMushroom (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 22.30.11 Join saratoga [0] (62659e41@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.101.158.65) 22.30.26 # [Saint]: you were right before, SDHC has no real upper limit 22.30.39 # since hardware-wise SDHC and SDXC are identical 22.31.05 # the limit is in the descriptor bits 22.31.15 # yeah, but its petabytes IIRC 22.31.38 # <[Saint]> That's slightly pleasing. I thought I had gone insane but I dismissed it as "one of those days". 22.31.57 # so large no silicon based fabrication process will ever fit that many bytes into a microsd form factor 22.32.28 # (identical ignoring the backwards compatible high speed modes that SDXC offers that is) 22.32.31 # we'll quote you on that 10 years from now :) 22.32.41 # go for it :) 22.32.49 # apparently there are 22 bits for number of blocks and that is left shifted 10 bits 22.33.02 # so 4GB * 512 bytes blocks? 22.33.26 # is it that small? 22.33.35 Nick efyx is now known as || (~efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 22.33.37 # for some reason I thought it was petabytes, could be wrong 22.33.42 Nick || is now known as efyx (~efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 22.33.56 Nick efyx is now known as | (~efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 22.34.02 Nick | is now known as efyx (~efyx@lap34-1-82-225-185-146.fbx.proxad.net) 22.34.18 # "The Secure Digital Extended Capacity (SDXC) format supports cards up to 2 TB (2048 GB)" 22.34.21 # ah you're right 22.35.12 # so roughly 5 die shrinks until SDXC is out of room 22.36.44 # This field is expanded to 22 bits and can indicate up to 2 TBytes (It is the same as the maximum 22.36.47 # memory space specified by a 32-bit block address.) 22.36.50 # (For SDHC) 22.36.57 # although i guess five die shirnks would mean flash transistors only about 10 atoms wide, so maybe that will be tough to keep the gate floating :) 22.39.29 # <[Saint]> Heh. 22.40.38 # * [Saint] wishes he could get "[Saint]: you were right before" framed and hung on his wall. 22.40.58 # <[Saint]> Then, I could keep pointing to that one time :) 22.42.45 # i wonder how well fat32 works with a 2TB drive 22.42.47 # anyone tried? 22.46.18 # <[Saint]> Can't say I have personally, no. 22.52.38 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 23.09.53 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 23.17.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.20.32 Join Wardo [0] (~Mirandaha@bpb01-1-88-162-4-186.fbx.proxad.net) 23.27.21 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 23.31.00 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 23.31.07 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 23.33.12 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@pD9E423F3.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.43.42 Quit saratoga (Quit: Page closed) 23.45.38 Quit eckoit (Quit: eckoit) 23.50.26 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 23.52.10 Quit mystica555 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.52.13 Join mystica555_ [0] (~Mike@97-118-131-45.hlrn.qwest.net) 23.53.20 Quit mystica555_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.55.45 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8) 23.55.47 Quit p3tur (Quit: Leaving) 23.57.18 Quit domonoky (Quit: Leaving.) 23.58.34 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection)