--- Log for 26.06.112 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 11 days and 0 hours ago 00.00.03 # I'll let you know if it herps a derp 00.00.04 # there's no real reason not to add that -- disabled targets don't show up normally :) 00.00.23 # * bluebrother just installed a classic build into /tmp 00.02.41 # <[Saint_]> amayer: It may interest you to note that FS#12706 has been closed 00.02.42 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12706 3wpsbuild.pl: cabbiev2.cfg is generated with invalid paths (bugs, closed) 00.02.51 # <[Saint_]> Thank you for bringing it to my attention. 00.02.52 Join dfkt_ [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 00.03.28 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 00.03.42 # bluebrother: How can I make it install dev builds, in stead of stable? 00.04.53 # <[Saint_]> bertrik: That may interest you (though, only slightly ;)) too. I believe it was yourself that noticed a while ago that the backdrop was failing to apply in cabbiev2 due to unklnown/invalid path. 00.05.24 Nick [Saint_] is now known as [Saint] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 00.05.25 # [Saint_]: thanks 00.05.29 Quit dfkt (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00.06.21 # belak: use the installation feature ... 00.06.31 # (i.e. follow the "Installation" tab) 00.06.41 # Ahhh 00.06.43 # Missed that 00.07.00 # [Saint]: i try to help when i can 00.07.02 # (i dont have alot of time to dedicate but when i find time to tinker i make it count) 00.07.06 # (though that tab will go away soonish :) 00.07.44 # <[Saint]> amayer: Every little bit counts. And its all appreciated. 00.07.56 # well i hope to contribute more in the future 00.08.14 Join lebellium_ [0] (~chatzilla@f052144004.adsl.alicedsl.de) 00.08.14 Quit lebellium (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.08.18 Nick lebellium_ is now known as lebellium (~chatzilla@f052144004.adsl.alicedsl.de) 00.08.29 Quit pamaury (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.08.31 # im 100% linux so the ipod firmware was in the way. RB works out alot better 00.08.45 # i forget how i found it but im glad i did 00.09.41 # amayer: which iPod are you using? 00.09.47 # classic 00.09.54 # 120Gb 00.09.55 # * [Saint] never tires of hearing such compliments 00.12.15 # what time zone does rockbox.org/irc report on? (im +5:00) and trying to figure out where i left off on the conversation 00.14.01 # I guess UTC or CEST 00.14.42 # Ah, it's about the same with me... I got so sick of the Apple firmware... and finally freemyipod came out with emcore... 00.15.06 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 00.15.36 # bluebrother: what can I do about the "No themes available for the selected target" issue 00.15.48 # I think iPod video stuff works? 00.16.18 # If your on a classic ipod video stuff works 00.16.45 # [Saint] told me themes just go by resolution but are platform independent 00.16.51 # Ah, ok 00.17.13 # Then is there a way to make the ipodclassic target for rbutil use the ipodvideo themes? 00.17.26 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.17.27 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 00.17.29 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.17.56 # belak: i dont know. ive never used rbutil 00.18.05 # i was told it wont work with the classic 00.18.16 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 00.18.17 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 00.19.38 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 00.20.13 # <[Saint]> belak: Just lie to RButil and say you have an iPod video instead. 00.20.29 # <[Saint]> You can manually configure the mountpoint and device type. 00.20.30 # lol, at least while installing themes 00.21.08 # i just drag and drop the files from the .zip file then edit the settings after i boot it up 00.23.01 # <[Saint]> It turns out I was mistaken about themes being platform independant and assigned by resolution. 00.23.04 # belak: well, the theme site obviously doesn't have any themes for the classic :) 00.23.20 # <[Saint]> It used to be this way, but, apparently I'm stuck in the past as it was changed ~4 years ago or so :) 00.23.27 # afaik the resolution of the video is the same, so just select that. 00.23.34 # <[Saint]> it is, yes. 00.23.53 # you _might_ come across themes that don't work since the supported theme syntax _might_ be slightly different (i.e. a different subset) 00.24.13 # <[Saint]> I cannot for the life of me think of a good reason why themes aren't assigned by resolution, exceopt for special cases like monochrome vs color. 00.24.20 # <[Saint]> But, this is the way it is...apparently. 00.24.32 # <[Saint]> I'd like to change this, but, it needs further discussion. 00.25.12 # <[Saint]> If a themer codes their theme properly, resolution and screen type (color/monochrome) is the only thing that should matter. 00.25.14 # ive used 2 or 3 themes on my classic from the ipod video section and they all worked 00.25.55 # <[Saint]> amayer: this is to be expected, anything that a theme cares about between these two targets is identical. 00.26.10 # [Saint]: oh ok 00.26.13 # [Saint]: themes *are* managed by resolution on the theme site. That doesn't help for targets the theme site doesn't know about though 00.26.37 # brb, reboot 00.26.42 # <[Saint]> gevaerts: Wait...what? a few days ago someone told me that wasn't the case and that I was stuck in the past. 00.26.51 Part amayer 00.27.18 # <[Saint]> not just "someone" as in some random person, but, someone I assumed aactually knew what they were talking about (a developer) 00.28.08 # <[Saint]> I thought it didn't make any sense, and, it seems very, very stupid to me at the time...but, I was assured that I was incorrect and that themes were assigned by target now. 00.29.11 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@h118.183.123.208.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 00.29.36 # [Saint]: themes were sorted by resolution only in the past 00.29.59 # this was changed to take differences in theme syntax between devices into account 00.30.06 # Check the themesite. You'll find that e.g. gigabeat F, gigabeat X and fuze+ have the same themes 00.30.12 # (like RTC vs. no-RTC targets) 00.30.14 # <[Saint]> bluebrother: gevaerts seems to disagree. 00.30.20 # [Saint]: no 00.30.32 # the themesite assigns themes to targets depending on the result of checkwps 00.30.40 # * gevaerts nods 00.30.49 # if checkwps decides the theme work on a target said target gets the theme 00.31.04 # but for the classic the problem is that there is no category for the classic :) 00.31.15 # which means someone would need to add this 00.31.22 # For a theme to show up, it needs to (a) have the right resolution, (b) pass checkwps for that target, and (c) not be deleted or hidden by an admin 00.31.43 # <[Saint]> I really don't understand why themes are assigned in this way, the only thing that actually matters is color/monochrome 00.32.09 # You'd prefer if themes that won't actually load are shown? 00.32.27 # <[Saint]> Why wouldn't they load? 00.32.37 Join TomColler [0] (~thomas@ppp-84-19.25-151.libero.it) 00.32.46 # That's what the checkwps test filters out 00.32.52 Part TomColler 00.33.27 # <[Saint]> Well, obviously the theme needs to be parsed, but, the only thing that is relevant in terms of assigning a theme to a target is the resolution and screen type. 00.33.36 # <[Saint]> Hardware differences don't matter at all. Even if the author doesn't assign a fasle case for hardware checks. 00.33.52 # <[Saint]> If the target doesn't have the hardware the theme checks for, it just ignores it. 00.34.18 # Yes, so how exactly does the theme site get this wrong? 00.35.13 # The colour/monochrome issue is debatable, and maybe we should reopen the debate (but only if someone promises to do the necessary work!), but I don't see what else you're actually unhappy about 00.36.49 # <[Saint]> Perhaps whoever explained it to me explained it incorrectly, I had a totally different idea of what was going on here. Its turned into a big confusing circle jerk. 00.38.34 # sounds ugly 00.38.51 # * gevaerts didn't see said explanation, so he doesn't know 00.39.26 # <[Saint]> It was largely due to the fact that there are instances where themes that could be shared amongst targets weren't appearing in the lists when they should. 00.40.10 # this sounds like some side effect that happened when updating the theme site to git 00.40.17 # Sounds unlikely to me 00.40.19 # <[Saint]> I couldn't understand why, and it ultimately turns out that my understanding of how themes are assigned to a target was correct. 00.40.44 # during which process something was mixed up (though that was only during the hour or so gevaerts was fixing it) 00.41.13 # bluebrother: you mean the brief reign of the shuffle function? :) 00.41.36 # bluebrother: for a temporary fix on themes, configure_modelname can be set to ipodvideo... 00.41.59 Quit user485763 (Quit: Leaving.) 00.42.24 # [Saint]: if a theme doesn't show up on the themesite where it should, it means either it shoudln't after all or checkwps is doing something wrong. Nothing the theme site as such can do much about... 00.42.38 # gevaerts: yes :) 00.42.44 Join XavierGr [0] (~xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 00.42.48 Quit XavierGr (Client Quit) 00.42.52 # That still lets rbutil search for the ipodclassic target when looking for builds... and use the ipodvideo target for themes 00.43.31 # belak: ok, but that is likely to break other things :) 00.43.42 # bluebrother: like what? 00.43.43 # but if it's sufficient enough for your use case, fine 00.44.23 # voicefile creation for builds that don't include the voice strings (and Rockbox Utility up to 1.2.14) 00.44.28 # I guess it would also change the voicefiles url... but those should also work fine... 00.44.41 # no, not the url. The genlang stuff 00.44.47 # genlang? 00.44.57 # belak: doesn't sound like a very useful workaround in official builds. The issue is not that it's hard to make the theme site handle the classic (that's a five minute job), it's that it's not clear "unusable" targets should be there, and as far as I can remember (which could easily be wrong) no developer has asked for the classic to be added 00.45.00 # the script on the server that retrieves the string to speak 00.45.21 # Ah 00.45.32 # I would definitely *not* bet on classic and video voice files to be compatible 00.45.57 # What's the diff between the voice files? 00.46.46 # gevaerts: also, looks like there are some Unusable builds in rbutil 00.46.53 # They only contain voice strings that are used for the target, so the string ids are different if those sets aren't the same 00.47.20 # voicefiles also contain the target id. 00.47.29 # if it doesn't match Rockbox doesn't load the voicefile 00.47.37 # Ahhh 00.47.39 # Ok 00.47.47 # so even if the strings would be the same you can't load a classic voicefile on a video 00.47.49 # belak: which ones? 00.48.01 # gevaerts: Sansa m200 00.48.22 # belak: yes, as disabled build 00.48.25 # Right. That's the AMS sansa m200 I guess 00.48.26 # And all the onda ones 00.48.28 # that means it normally doesn't show up 00.49.05 # which is the way to allow using Rockbox Utility for installing, but only if the user explicitly tells it to enable support for those 00.49.24 # just because it's in rbutil.ini doesn't mean normal users will see it :) 00.49.26 # bluebrother: yeah, I know... he just mentiones it wasn't clear if unusable builds should even be in rbutil... 00.49.39 # belak: no, on the theme site 00.49.55 # Ahhh 00.49.58 # I misunderstood 00.50.04 # You need the entire chain 00.50.08 # the point is in places where users normally see it 00.50.33 # Anyway, feel free to start a discussion on the -dev mailing list about the theme site and the classic. If you can get a consensus to add it, I'll gladly do the necessary work 00.51.07 # bluebrother: and you said you'd be willing to add the classic to rbutil.ini? 00.51.21 Quit domonoky (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.51.28 # belak: yes, as disabled target 00.51.37 # Given that we have several unstable targets on there and that the thing that keeps the classic out of unstable isn't really relevant to themes at all, I'd say you should be able to manage that :) 00.51.42 # which means you can use it _if_ you explicitly enable those targets 00.51.56 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8) 00.52.07 # but not as normally enabled one 00.52.19 # Well, it's still just a checkbox away 00.52.30 # I'll look into the mailing list 00.53.25 Quit ender` (Quit: If everything seems to be coming your way, you're probably in the wrong lane. -- Borstelmann's Rule) 00.53.39 # plus a warning when enabling it 00.53.58 # we could also disable that functionality for releases, but it doesn't hurt either. 00.54.11 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0/20120619191901]) 00.54.21 # having to click a checkbox and a warning should be enough for users to not expect too much for those :) 00.55.17 Quit MethoS- (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 01.04.05 Quit bertrik (Quit: And That, My Liege, Is How We Know the Earth to Be Banana Shaped) 01.05.49 Join Strife1989 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 01.06.09 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Switching) 01.06.17 Nick Strife1989 is now known as Strife89 (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 01.15.24 Quit dfkt_ (Quit: -= SysReset 2.55=- Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.) 01.21.22 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 01.22.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.22.29 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 01.24.53 Join CaptainKewl [0] (~captainke@207-237-110-248.c3-0.nyr-ubr2.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.25.53 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01.26.20 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 01.28.37 Quit mgottschlag (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 01.29.46 # <[Saint]> Its a troubling one, if the Classic is added to RBUtil, users will expect to install Rockbox using it. 01.30.03 # <[Saint]> Upgrades are fine, but, there's no way it could handle an initial installation. 01.30.17 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 01.30.18 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@adsl-74-235-26-56.clt.bellsouth.net) 01.30.31 # [Saint]: what would have to be changed for it to handle an initial install? 01.31.22 # <[Saint]> firstly, it needs a bootloader, and secondly, ipodpatcher needs to be modified to include it. 01.31.31 # <[Saint]> The latter is fairly trivial, the former, not so much. 01.31.36 Quit georgehank (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.31.54 # what does "Admin work needed" mean on the themes website? 01.32.06 Quit TheSphinX^ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.32.08 # <[Saint]> Exactly what it sounds like. 01.32.15 # pay no mind to the man behind the curtain... 01.32.21 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 01.32.24 # <[Saint]> Someone has requested an admin look into something. 01.32.24 # well what type of admin work? 01.32.27 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (~briehl@p579CCD11.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.32.27 Join georgehank [0] (~jae@dedicated.jaerhard.com) 01.32.35 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@71.20.87.137) 01.32.36 Quit mc2739 (Changing host) 01.32.36 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 01.32.38 # <[Saint]> Be it a theme with issues, a copyright violation, etc. 01.33.02 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 01.33.06 # oh. that doesnt mean you are looking for someone to help admin the website? 01.33.15 # <[Saint]> Nope. 01.33.21 # ok. wasnt sure 01.37.00 Quit guymann (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 01.37.40 Join guymann [0] (~c@108-237-202-52.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) 01.38.36 Quit flaushy (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.39.57 Join flaushy [0] (~flaushy@euve10332.vserver.de) 01.41.08 Quit eintopf (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 01.41.36 Quit zu (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.42.31 Join zu [0] (~zu@ks387228.kimsufi.com) 01.43.12 Join eintopf [0] (~eintopf@zzz.strace.org) 02.02.08 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 02.02.56 # <[Saint]> Hummmm....does the clip+ not boost/un-boost the CPU? 02.12.13 # [Saint]: it doesn't 02.12.33 # i was thinking about working on that the other day 02.12.37 # <[Saint]> Is there a particular reason for this? 02.12.49 # we tried and it didn't help power use much IIRC 02.12.58 # <[Saint]> Ah, right. Thanks. 02.13.10 # but we just changed the main CPU clock, was thinking it might make more sense to change the P clock tho 02.13.21 # seemed like raising that made things a lot faster and hurt battery life quite a bit 02.13.33 # so i tried testing the other day with a much lower clock and that also hurt battery life 02.13.40 # <[Saint]> I just didn't know if it was something that could be enabled but just wasn't due to a bug/instability/other, or it it wasn't known how to scale the CPU. 02.13.48 # <[Saint]> Thanks for the explanation. 02.13.49 # so i guess i need to test more settings and see if maybe bouncing back and forth between two pclks would work 02.14.54 # <[Saint]> Its actually quite cool that the Clip+ gets as much battery life as it does with Rockbox considering there's no scaling going on. 02.16.54 # i think at the moment the reason the fuzev2 doesn't have as good batteyr life is that we run the PCLK faster so that the UI is responsive 02.17.23 # i think with the GUI boost stuff in it'd make sense to try boosting pclk rather then keep it high always 02.18.08 # Commit 41fb990 in rockbox by 03Jonathan Gordon: Fix the classic_statusbar sbs' to actually work 02.20.32 # [Saint]: ah here it is FS#11297 02.20.34 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/11297 3as3525v2: set_cpu_frequency (patches, assigned) 02.21.10 # <[Saint]> Oh, thanks saratoga 02.23.48 # <[Saint]> Hmmmm....it doesn't want to load :-S 02.24.24 # its very slow today 02.24.46 # <[Saint]> yes, seems so. 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09.18.11 # yeah - the format with relocations so we can load plugins at arbitrary address 09.19.40 # this potentially can be used to 1) multiple plugins at the same time 2) use buflib to allocate plugin buf at runtime which will remove artificial limit on plugin size for example 09.20.00 # cool 09.20.34 # finally maybe we could split our codebase and load needed functionality at runtime when needed 09.22.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.25.24 Quit mortalis (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) 09.31.50 Join tmzt [0] (~tmzt@adsl-99-164-36-59.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net) 09.31.55 Join zu_ [0] (~zu@ks387228.kimsufi.com) 09.31.57 Join TorneWuff [0] (~torne@lil.wolfpuppy.org.uk) 09.32.03 Join mc2739_ [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 09.35.59 Join Jack87 [0] (Jack87@nasadmin/admin/jack87) 09.36.40 Quit zu (*.net *.split) 09.36.40 Quit mc2739 (*.net *.split) 09.36.41 Quit Torne (*.net *.split) 09.36.41 Quit Jack87|Away (*.net *.split) 09.36.41 Quit tmzt_ (*.net *.split) 09.36.41 Quit pystar90 (*.net *.split) 09.36.42 Nick TorneWuff is now known as Torne (~torne@lil.wolfpuppy.org.uk) 09.36.42 Quit Torne (Changing host) 09.36.42 Join Torne [0] (~torne@rockbox/developer/Torne) 09.37.31 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@vit94-1-82-67-248-70.fbx.proxad.net) 09.37.32 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 09.37.32 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 09.38.12 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 09.49.00 # JdGordon: I can't kick buildservers 09.49.41 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~LemonBoy@ppp-2-45.26-151.libero.it) 09.53.01 Quit wodz (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 09.54.01 Quit mgottschlag (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 10.00.47 Quit Keripo (Quit: Leaving.) 10.08.02 Join davo [0] (~davo@cpe-76-169-194-209.socal.res.rr.com) 10.08.48 # you guys know of any way to force battery consumption on devices when there is no access to the interface? 10.09.56 Join pystar90 [0] (~pystar90@ip-92-50-95-15.unitymediagroup.de) 10.12.18 Quit pamaury (Read error: Operation timed out) 10.15.33 Join mgottschlag [0] (~quassel@195.37.186.62) 10.15.33 Quit mgottschlag (Changing host) 10.15.33 Join mgottschlag [0] (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) 10.43.41 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 10.52.26 # Torne: ping 10.54.12 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 10.59.43 Quit pystar90 (*.net *.split) 11.03.06 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@sphinx.lix.polytechnique.fr) 11.03.06 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 11.03.06 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.03.33 # wodz: how did you solve the header problem? 11.04.17 # kugel: what you mean? 11.06.07 # you had problems with the rb and entry point pointers in the plugin header didnt you? 11.06.47 # ah no, I simply missed the fact that relocation entries are not sorted 11.07.03 # well I mean it works ok 11.07.41 # okay 11.07.55 # wodz: can you show some code? 11.07.58 # I'm curious 11.08.21 # I need to clean it up. Maybe later today if I find time 11.08.33 # okay 11.08.55 # did you change the load_code api? 11.09.28 # I added new function to load bflt file 11.10.02 # Some plugins don't want to exit and I need to find out why 11.12.10 # interestingly long play shuts down dap cleanly in this state 11.22.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.27.00 Quit mgottschlag (Read error: Operation timed out) 11.28.57 # wodz: some plugins call exit() which longjmps back to plugin__start() 11.29.33 # and many of them do in their mainloop which also allows the core to see the long press to shutdown 11.29.53 # (see exit_on_ubs()) 11.29.56 # usb* 11.37.10 Join mgottschlag [0] (~quassel@195.37.186.62) 11.37.11 Quit mgottschlag (Changing host) 11.37.11 Join mgottschlag [0] (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) 11.39.28 Join pystar90 [0] (~pystar90@ip-92-50-95-15.unitymediagroup.de) 11.42.11 # ok cube uses explicit exit() and works, logo uses return PLUGIN_OK and doesn't exit properly 11.49.43 # strange 11.51.06 # wodz: does it crash or does it nothing at all? 11.51.30 # nothing at all - plugin simply runs as usuall 11.53.11 # wodz: hi ;) 11.54.00 # Torne: look in logs - maybe you will have a clue whats wrong 11.54.16 # with exiting? 11.54.19 # yep 11.54.24 # i dunno, post the code :) 11.54.46 # the things that use the exit() emulation work, but not the things that just return from their main? 11.55.00 # that seems bizarre because those both exit the same way ultimately :p 11.55.01 # yes seems to 11.55.09 # since the exit emulation works by longjumping back to main and then returning 11.56.48 # my tests were very limited - cube works, logo, mosaique and snow does not exit 11.57.00 # well, show your work :) 11.57.08 # rockblox hangs on start 11.57.13 # presumably the way you get to plugin_start is different 11.57.20 # so, the difference is the important bit :0 11.57.37 # I'll post the code when I get home and clean it a little bit 12.11.18 Join Topy [0] (~Topy44@f048001197.adsl.alicedsl.de) 12.14.00 Quit webmind (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 12.14.38 Quit mgottschlag (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 12.15.14 Quit T44 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12.15.16 Join webmind [0] (~webmind@2a02:898:109::198:1) 12.25.21 Join mgottschlag [0] (~quassel@2a00:1398:9:fb00:258a:43e7:cd39:ad93) 12.25.22 Quit mgottschlag (Changing host) 12.25.22 Join mgottschlag [0] (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) 12.25.50 Quit mgottschlag (Remote host closed the connection) 12.28.54 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 12.42.08 Join GermanMushroom [0] (~c@s5146db6a.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 12.47.23 Join anewuser [0] (~anewuser@190.207.12.244) 12.47.24 Quit anewuser (Changing host) 12.47.24 Join anewuser [0] (~anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 12.51.51 Quit factor (Quit: Leaving) 12.52.28 Join hype [0] (~hype@82.199.174.16) 12.58.07 # is there something wrong with latest rock box utility? every time I try to patch a original firmware it crashes... 13.05.17 Join PwnsomeWin [0] (~626e36a6@www.haxx.se) 13.09.12 # hello 13.10.33 # hype: could you give more details? 13.11.23 # wodz, were you the one i was talking about TTS yesterday? 13.11.45 # yes 13.11.55 # ah ok 13.12.22 # i took the source from the espeak, whats the next step? 13.12.32 # port it? 13.12.42 # oh okay 13.12.49 # >_> 13.12.54 # wodz When i updated to latest 1.2.14 and tried to install rock box bootloader it started to patch the original firmware, then suddenly crashed 13.13.17 # wodz but I tried 1.2.13 and it worked as usual... 13.13.45 # using mac os x 10.7.4 13.13.51 # hype: player type is the missing bit as different players use different patching functions 13.14.04 # sansa fuze+ 13.15.40 # hype: pamaury is the guy behind f+ port - try to catch him 13.16.32 # wodz Ok but i got it worked with 1.2.13 version... 13.16.49 # There's a known bug with 1.2.14 and the fuze+, yes 13.16.54 # there were some changes in imx tools 13.18.50 # wodz, which langauge does rockbox take? 13.19.29 # C 13.19.32 # Ok I stick to 1.2.13 until bugs fixed 13.19.39 # okay 13.19.44 # eSpeak is c++ 13.20.24 Join [Saint_] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 13.20.44 # does rockbox have some different display method? 13.20.51 # it is not 13.20.59 # eSpeak isn't c++? 13.21.26 # there is some c++ish syntax left but you can compile it as pure C with little effort 13.22.05 # wait, was i supposed to use that src from the link you gave me yesterday? 13.22.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.22.54 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13.26.21 # PwnsomeWin: no it was just for reference. You should port recent version of espeak in a way it be maintainable 13.26.28 Join mgottschlag [0] (~quassel@195.37.186.62) 13.26.28 Quit mgottschlag (Changing host) 13.26.28 Join mgottschlag [0] (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) 13.26.39 # oh okay 13.29.33 # hype: I think there was a bug in the latest rbutil released. I thought bluebrother had re-released the fixed version, or that's a new bug 13.29.50 # bluebrother: can you confirm ? 13.34.29 # what is plugin.h? is it a header file for rockbox? 13.34.49 # PwnsomeWin: yes, in apps/ 13.34.55 # okay 13.38.23 Quit PwnsomeWin (Quit: CGI:IRC) 13.38.31 Join PwnsomeWin [0] (~626e36a6@www.haxx.se) 13.40.07 # #elif CONFIG_KEYPAD == IAUDIO_X5M5_PAD is there a list of variables for the mp3 players? 13.41.31 # PwnsomeWin: yes in various places unfortunately. Most are in config.h and in export/config/*.h files 13.42.39 # okay 13.42.53 # where is config.h? 13.42.57 # is that in the rockbox source? 13.44.06 # yes 13.44.45 # i should probably download that, shouldnt i 13.44.47 # >_> 13.45.12 # i have no idea why i havent yet 13.51.10 Join [Saint] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 13.54.18 Quit [Saint_] (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 14.05.59 Join [Saint_] [0] (~Saint]@unaffiliated/saint/x-8516940) 14.08.37 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14.19.56 # pamaury ok… I wait for the fixed one then... 14.20.15 # just use the older one or use the git version 14.20.40 # it just happened that we didn't test the released version and fixed it just after the released 14.20.43 # *release 14.21.21 Quit [Saint_] (Remote host closed the connection) 14.21.41 # or ask bluebrother if can provide you a windows version, I think he wanted to upload the fixed one 14.26.08 Quit PwnsomeWin (Quit: CGI:IRC) 14.27.19 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 14.33.37 Join XavierGr [0] (~xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 14.50.38 Quit anewuser () 15.07.08 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 15.22.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.37.50 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8) 15.42.56 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~LemonBoy@ppp-2-45.26-151.libero.it) 15.48.45 Quit bzed (Remote host closed the connection) 15.48.51 Join bzed [0] (~bzed@devel.recluse.de) 16.04.59 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@173-23-42-120.client.mchsi.com) 16.05.26 Part LinusN 16.08.49 Join PwnsomeWin [0] (~626e36a6@www.haxx.se) 16.12.32 # how do i download the rockbox src from git? 16.14.28 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingGit 16.16.08 # i used that, and i got as far as opening git 16.16.34 # i dont know where to go to type in the git clone thing 16.16.53 # waite 16.16.58 # nvm got it 16.16.59 # =P 16.19.17 # i keep getting an error 16.19.45 # Clone failed. Cannot fetch branches and objects. See console output for details. 16.20.30 Quit mgottschlag (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 16.20.53 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@89-76-32-53.dynamic.chello.pl) 16.20.54 Join mgottschlag [0] (~quassel@195.37.186.62) 16.20.54 Quit mgottschlag (Changing host) 16.20.54 Join mgottschlag [0] (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) 16.21.12 # anybody know why im getting that error? 16.21.48 # where you typed this commands if you are adviced to look at console? 16.22.08 # huh? 16.23.46 # im confused at what you asked 16.24.28 # where you typed this commands? 16.24.37 Quit PwnsomeWin (Quit: CGI:IRC) 16.24.56 Join PwnsomeWin [0] (~626e36a6@www.haxx.se) 16.25.30 # i went to clone existing repository and typed it in 16.25.36 # next to source locationg 16.26.38 # do you know what is console? 16.26.50 # PwnsomeWin: it sounds like you are using a graphical git client 16.26.57 # yea, im using a gui 16.27.00 # the things to type there are console commands 16.27.10 # so, if you're pasting one of those into a GUI client it's not going to work :) 16.27.13 Quit PwnsomeWin (Client Quit) 16.27.41 Join PwnsomeWin [0] (~626e36a6@www.haxx.se) 16.27.59 # frikkin browser likes sending me back a page when i press backspace 16.28.01 # ok 16.28.10 # do i type it in cmd? 16.28.27 # no, that doesnt really make sense 16.28.31 # you can use a GUI client if you want 16.28.39 # you just need to put the right things in :) 16.28.43 # ok 16.28.50 # what are the right things 16.28.52 # =P 16.28.58 # what is it asking for? 16.29.00 # and what did you already try? 16.29.14 Quit soap (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 16.29.38 # i dont know anything about git, so im confused 16.29.38 # =P 16.29.54 # surely you know how to read the text on your own screen, though 16.30.00 # well yeah 16.30.04 # you want to clone our repository. it sounds like you found how to clone a repository with this client already 16.30.07 # so, what does it ask for? 16.30.12 # and what did you type that didn't work last time? 16.30.27 Join soap [0] (~soap@cpe-76-181-78-156.columbus.res.rr.com) 16.30.27 # its asking for a source location, and a target directory 16.30.28 Quit soap (Changing host) 16.30.28 Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 16.30.57 # i put git clone git://git.rockbox.org/rockbox in the source and i put in an unmade rockbox folder in the target 16.31.20 Join WalkGood [0] (~4@unaffiliated/walkgood) 16.31.32 # "git clone" is the command to run on the command line 16.31.38 # it wants to know the URL to clone fron 16.31.44 # hhh 16.31.46 # ohhh* 16.31.53 # so i delete the git clone part? 16.38.45 # i delete that part? 16.40.53 # i presume you knoww hat a URL looks like 16.47.01 # do we explicitly preprocess lds scripts? 16.47.36 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 16.49.56 # hmm we do 16.50.00 Join jon-kha [0] (~jon-kha@hoasnet-fe32dd00-87.dhcp.inet.fi) 16.52.11 # wodz: yes 16.53.46 Part jon-kha 16.55.00 Quit mgottschlag (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 17.00.07 # okay i got the source 17.00.16 # where are the mp3 player variables? 17.00.27 # er 17.00.29 # what do you mean? 17.02.24 # lemme get an example 17.02.33 # #elif CONFIG_KEYPAD == IAUDIO_X5M5_PAD 17.02.43 # the IAUDIO variable is an example of what im talking about 17.02.59 # you mean the configuration 17.03.05 # those are, in fact, the opposite of variables :) 17.03.11 # since they are all compile time constants 17.03.31 # firmware/export/config.h and firmware/export/config/playername.h 17.03.49 # oh lol 17.03.56 # ok 17.06.22 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@82.159.1.234.dyn.user.ono.com) 17.08.59 Quit PwnsomeWin (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 17.09.10 Join thegeek [0] (~thegeek@171.17.9.46.customer.cdi.no) 17.14.32 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@173-23-42-120.client.mchsi.com) 17.16.39 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 17.17.49 # ehh, elf2flt started to segfault :/ 17.19.50 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@173-23-42-120.client.mchsi.com) 17.20.15 Join benedikt93 [0] (~benedikt9@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 17.22.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.25.40 Join evilnick [0] (d92bae49@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 17.29.12 Nick mc2739_ is now known as mc2739 (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 17.46.47 Join saratoga [0] (98032941@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.3.41.65) 17.50.54 Quit davo (Quit: Lost terminal) 17.54.21 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 17.58.37 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18.14.45 Quit GermanMushroom (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 18.14.58 Join megal0maniac [0] (~megal0man@196.213.53.210) 18.15.02 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 18.21.01 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@173-23-42-120.client.mchsi.com) 18.21.11 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 18.22.01 # hype, pamaury: the bug _is_ fixed. There just hasn't been a new release yet. You can use a development binary in the meanwhile. 18.22.24 # I unfrequently put development binaries online. See http://tinyurl.com/rbutil-dev 18.22.47 # (btw, this error has already been discussed in the forums. Usually a good place to search :) 18.31.07 # Commit 46a57b8 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Make Info widget update independent from tab index. 18.31.07 # Commit 8cc46fb in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Add Ipod Classic (6G) as disabled target. 18.31.08 # Commit 362f447 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Create dedicated backup dialog. 18.32.31 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 18.36.07 Part amayer 18.39.55 Quit liar (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.40.27 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 18.40.38 Join Keripo [0] (~Keripo@c-50-135-159-85.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 18.43.33 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@vit94-1-82-67-248-70.fbx.proxad.net) 18.43.34 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 18.43.34 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 18.44.14 Quit evilnick (Quit: Page closed) 18.48.37 # SEC_ALLOC flag is set for .bss section how do I make this flag set also for .ibss ? 18.50.14 Join domonoky [0] (~Domonoky@rockbox/developer/domonoky) 18.52.57 Join mortalis [0] (~mortalis@77.108.98.177) 18.54.18 # good news: I'm pretty much finished with the Rockbox Utility UI changes :) 18.54.41 # which means I can look into the test thingy afterwards 19.01.41 # ok, anyone interested in a comparison? http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rbutil-1.2.14_vs_1.3pre.jpg 19.02.42 # the original (already 3 years old!) idea that lead to it: http://www.alice-dsl.net/dominik.riebeling/rockbox/rbutil-mainwindow-idea.jpg 19.07.17 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@f052242222.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.10.54 # looks nice 19.12.45 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@heaaqi4aafadxhylsnch5dyay24.dyn.reverse.name) 19.20.35 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 19.20.41 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 19.22.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.22.48 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19.24.13 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g225254197.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.27.01 Join amithkk [0] (u4289@2buntu/writers/amithkk) 19.32.07 Join anewuser [0] (~anewuser@190.207.24.159) 19.32.07 Quit anewuser (Changing host) 19.32.07 Join anewuser [0] (~anewuser@unaffiliated/anewuser) 19.38.24 # bluebrother: Any binaries available yet? 19.38.48 # Really like the layout 19.39.33 # megal0maniac: not yet, but I'm planning to push the changes tonight (after giving people a chance to discuss it a bit) and create binaries afterwards 19.40.00 # (oh, and to avoid confusion: the left image is the new version :) 19.40.05 # So technically, I should be able to build it myself from git? 19.40.19 # well, yes. After I pushed :) 19.40.21 # so not yet 19.40.44 # Obviously. But yeah, 10 points to you. 19.41.31 # :) 19.41.55 # if that UI makes it clearer to users (which is the original idea behind it) I've reached the goal 19.44.15 Quit WalkGood (Quit: ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪) 19.48.27 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 19.50.58 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 19.52.08 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 20.00.52 Join saratoga_ [0] (980329b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.3.41.180) 20.00.54 # http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=614974&postcount=427 20.01.05 # this post says that changing the theme breaks USB on the Clip Zip 20.01.11 # anyone else seen that happen? 20.02.01 # is it with recent build? funman fixed some theme allocation bugs not so long ago 20.03.30 # I looked casually at allocation stuff around USB, I suspected some big problem, but it actually turned out to be correct. 20.03.49 # The entire theme is unloaded upon USB plugin and loaded again upon USB plugout 20.04.09 # I think I saw some duplicate stuff, but nothing like memory holes 20.09.09 Join mgottschlag [0] (~quassel@HSI-KBW-091-089-250-186.hsi2.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) 20.09.09 Quit mgottschlag (Changing host) 20.09.09 Join mgottschlag [0] (~quassel@reactos/tester/phoenix64) 20.15.54 Join jfc [0] (~john@stat-bng-72-73-80-12.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net) 20.16.23 Join bitcraft [0] (~bitcraft@66.254.199.148) 20.20.04 Join ptrkmj [0] (~ptrk@ip-37-209-140-19.free.aero2.net.pl) 20.20.31 # is there animated gif viewer for rockbox? 20.21.47 Quit jfc (Read error: Operation timed out) 20.22.32 # no 20.22.46 # I think we don't support gifs at all 20.24.26 # wodz: yes that build is from yesterday IIRC 20.24.41 Join jfc [0] (~john@stat-bng-72-73-80-12.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net) 20.26.43 # the Zip seems to have terrible problems with USB for many people, while the Clip Plus is quite solid 20.27.02 # i wonder if the differences in how themes are allocated on color vs. monochrome targets is responsible 20.27.12 # since the devices are otherwise identical 20.28.57 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 20.29.42 # iirc there was a gif plugin in the tracker some years ago 20.30.17 Quit amayer (Client Quit) 20.30.38 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 20.31.10 Quit jfc (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 20.33.02 # I had problems with USB stability on my Clip+ even after it was deemed stable. Disagreed with the decision to put it in the stable build at the time. Haven't used it recently though. 20.34.53 # some people had issues with Clip+ USB, but they were very few 20.35.05 # it seems like the Zip has trouble for most people 20.36.01 Join jfc [0] (~john@stat-bng-72-73-80-12.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net) 20.40.01 Quit ptrkmj (Quit: Lost terminal) 20.41.18 # hmm. Is there a way to enable CF mode on a microdrive from an Ipod? 20.42.33 # would be interesting to reuse that thing, but it doesn't work with my card reader 20.42.44 # which, I guess, is related to this CF mode thing 20.48.38 # bluebrother: I don't understand - in ipod (mini I guess) you don't need to set enything to use CF instead of microdrive 20.49.27 # wodz: I want to do it the other way round -- use the microdrive left from the mini as CF card in a different device 20.49.57 # thats tricky - microdrives don't adhere to current standards well 20.50.31 # * bluebrother just ripped a CF-to-Cardbus adapter apart 20.50.45 # now I can plug it in. Let's see if the PC likes that :) 20.51.22 # elf2flt stopped to segfault finally 20.51.40 # you need not to put segfaults into the code! ;-) 20.54.11 Quit mortalis (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) 20.59.35 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@pD9E41595.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.12.56 Quit megal0maniac (Quit: megal0maniac) 21.16.31 # In the apparent absence of Swedes, I'm hosting this week's hangout. 21.17.36 # whats the hangout btw? 21.17.50 # On Google+ 21.18.12 # Some sort of video chat 21.19.34 # My work mate asked me why we don't have 'official' rockbox dap which one may buy. Not to get rich but to populate things. Maybe something open hardware or so 21.20.40 # There have been plans for that, but anything open seems so much bulkier than something commercial you can buy 21.22.27 # I disagree - it is only a matter of engineering the design - look at rPi it IS small 21.22.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.22.53 # I guess the price will be limiting though 21.22.55 # it's a bare PCB 21.24.14 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-219-241.msk1cmtc02.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 21.27.07 # and not all people agree on what is the perfect mp3 :) 21.28.36 # the problem is the casing and ergonomics more then anything 21.28.56 # it would probably be easy to come up with a rockbox dev board, less so to come up with something you'd want to put in your pocket 21.29.53 # its not about 'perfect' its about something usable 21.30.34 # saratoga: all in all its a matter of funding - professional design of small plastic case is rather cheap. Producing mold IS expensive 21.31.09 # yes expensive and also requires some engineering talent to design something that works well and can be manufactured 21.32.14 # saratoga: well yes and no - current tools are quite good in helping to get correct design from technological point of view 21.32.42 # the aesthetic merit needs some talent yes 21.32.48 # i mean just coming up with a plastic shell and buttons that will fit the boards, be durable enough and also look and feel good 21.35.30 # The design is not that expensive I think with something like 1k eu you can get the work done. Mold is order of magnitude more expensive 21.55.19 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 21.57.20 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8) 21.57.28 Join Thra11 [0] (~thrall@37.152.223.180) 22.00.19 # Commit 40e306b in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Make Rockbox logo smaller and move device information up. 22.00.20 # Commit f419128 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Show player picture left of device configuration. 22.00.22 # Commit fa17cb9 in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Rework Installation and remove Quick Start tab. 22.00.25 # Commit 9b783bc in rockbox by 03Dominik Riebeling: Separate select and install parts in themes install window. 22.03.29 Quit perrikwp (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.03.52 Join wh0 [0] (~spk@dsl-aav0nk.dyn.edudsl.gr) 22.13.32 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~LemonBoy@ppp-2-45.26-151.libero.it) 22.21.14 # Bagder: could you have a look at the build system? It seems to be stuck 22.23.14 # ouch 22.23.22 # I'm not really sure what to do about that... 22.23.36 # If all else fails, reboot the server :) 22.29.06 # the master process is restarted, so it might be okay 22.35.06 # Torne, kugel: g#286 22.35.08 # 3Gerrit review #286 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/286 : bFLT loader for plugins by Marcin Bukat (changes/86/286/1) 22.35.22 # this is early stage though 22.37.36 # Nice 22.41.48 # Commit 4e4eaea in www by 03Björn Stenberg: (Author: Frank Gevaerts) Add latex to the toolchains, in preparation for manual autobuilding. 22.42.35 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: Bye ;)) 22.43.04 # * gevaerts can't remember if ARM ever needs -fpic or -pie, and if so, when 22.43.39 # * pamaury is doing some mtp analysis and this is not fun 22.44.38 # pic is used for shared libraries AFAIK 22.45.59 # I'm sure Torne will tell us the details :) 22.47.16 # I hope he will point out the errors within eye blink so all plugins will work correctly :-) 22.48.33 # It's just that it seems to me that on an MMU system you can link executables to always run at the same address, so things like pic are only needed for libraries, but then these things tend to confuse me 22.49.20 Quit KiwiCam (Quit: Leaving) 22.52.21 Quit bitcraft (Remote host closed the connection) 22.55.31 Join Wardo [0] (~Mirandaha@176-120-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr) 22.57.44 Join KiwiCam [0] (~KiwiCAM@101.98.171.48) 23.03.20 Join PwnsomeWin [0] (~626e36a6@www.haxx.se) 23.06.47 Part amayer 23.12.38 Join lebellium_ [0] (~chatzilla@f052242222.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.13.27 # new rockbox utility looks really nice 23.14.29 Quit lebellium (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23.14.33 Nick lebellium_ is now known as lebellium (~chatzilla@f052242222.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.17.31 Quit Riviera (Quit: :)) 23.22.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.30.22 Quit factor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.38.22 Quit MethoS- (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 23.41.11 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@h118.183.123.208.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 23.42.47 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 23.46.39 Quit MethoS- (Client Quit) 23.48.09 Join factor [0] (~factor@r74-195-219-241.msk1cmtc02.mskgok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net) 23.50.02 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 23.50.25 Join MethoS- [0] (~clemens@134.102.106.250) 23.51.15 Quit MethoS- (Client Quit) 23.52.21 Quit Rower85 (Quit: Hmmm...) 23.54.47 # ive decided im gonna try a creative muVo v100 port 23.55.32 # i know what the cpu is, whats the next step? 23.56.41 # try to find a datasheet of the cpu / SoC, and study any firmware update image (if available) 23.56.49 # okay