--- Log for 26.11.112 Server: sturgeon.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: Guest15304 Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 21 hours ago 00.02.29 Quit Wilko () 00.06.28 Quit lorenzo92 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0/20121120062532]) 00.07.01 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 00.08.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.09.12 Quit Buglouse (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.10.29 Quit sentriz (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.11.16 Join sentriz [0] (~Senan@78.143.151.93) 00.11.52 Quit sentriz (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.12.14 Join sentriz [0] (~Senan@78.143.151.93) 00.12.35 Join Buglouse [0] (~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse) 00.13.52 Quit SuperBrainAK (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00.18.03 Quit Horscht (Quit: Verlassend) 00.20.34 Quit kevku (Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) 00.27.34 Join perrikwp [0] (~quassel@cpe-075-177-082-185.triad.res.rr.com) 00.31.48 # somebody should add ".lossy.*" as a valid file extension 00.32.07 # i.e. hide ".lossy" when setting "hide file extensions" to on 00.32.22 # (for lossyFLAC/lossyWV files) 00.32.39 Join n0wje [0] (~anthony@67-0-245-251.albq.qwest.net) 00.34.04 Part n0wje 00.39.02 # gnight 00.39.06 Quit Krill- (Quit: *poff*) 00.39.11 Quit sentriz (Quit: Leaving) 00.39.30 Quit bertrik (Read error: Operation timed out) 00.42.55 # copper: That's not trivial, as Rockbox assumes extensions don't contain a dot. i.e. it searches from the end of the string, finds the first dot, and everything after that is the extension. 00.43.20 # i tried hacking together clip+ radio lock screen 00.43.22 # surely you can make an exception 00.43.29 # anyone want to try (don't have a clip+ handy) 00.43.41 # well you could write code to do it 00.44.05 Quit Rower85 (Quit: Hmmm...) 00.44.49 # radio lock code (untested): http://pastebin.com/dacnFaPk 00.49.05 Join Clear_runway [0] (~Clear_run@74.221.202.246) 00.57.21 Quit derk0pf () 00.57.49 # is there some way to get our rockbox-info.txt to include the master hash 00.58.03 # right now its really hard to figure out where modified builds came from 00.58.29 Quit ender1 (Quit: I just built a crontab that builds crontabs on another box, so it can wake up the first box in time for it to run its crontabs :D) 01.02.22 # saratoga: should be trivial :p 01.02.53 # how do i refer to the rockbox git repo's hash? 01.03.51 # origin/master? 01.07.59 Join lebellium_ [0] (~chatzilla@g231206212.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.08.21 # ask Torne 01.11.04 Quit lebellium (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 01.11.09 Nick lebellium_ is now known as lebellium (~chatzilla@g231206212.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.16.26 # got it 01.16.43 # this patch changes rockbox-info to print the hash of the origin/master 01.17.21 # http://pastebin.com/qwTJxhCH 01.17.46 # perhaps I don't understand, but this is more useful then knowing the hash of the builder's local git repo right? 01.18.24 # I'd print both 01.18.48 # since if they have local commits the hash is basically meaningless to others 01.22.57 # need to ask Torne since i'm clueless 01.48.57 Join webguest75 [0] (~7bd38454@www.haxx.se) 01.49.39 # JdGordon: how does Version:(master) local[M]-date sound? 01.50.14 # You'd probably need to make sure rbutil doesnt parse it before touching it 01.50.35 # Would it be possible to create an Everyday Looper-type app for Rockbox? 01.50.58 # also, I've make Version: in that text file match what is in the rockbox info screen... maybe just add a new line for upstream hash 01.51.07 # webguest75: ? 01.51.29 # <[Saint]> time machine...duh. 01.51.33 # <[Saint]> :) 01.52.10 # <[Saint]> Every day loops, like groundhog day. 01.52.35 # JdGordon: well I tried for a while but couldn't figure out how to make bash do that 01.52.46 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0/20121113065533]) 01.53.31 # Sorry, shoulda clarified it. I meant a plugin that could take input from the microphone and loop/overdub on loops, like the iPhone/iPod application "Everyday Looper" 01.54.00 # i think i'd actually have to make a whole new bash script to do that, since the "Version:" is printed in perl, while the number is formatted in bash 01.54.44 # lame 01.56.30 # <[Saint]> webguest75: it'd likely only be the hosted targets that could handle such a plugin, and the host OS probably has a better alternative. 01.58.02 # So there wouldn't be any way to just temporarily cache mp3 audio on-the-fly and create overdubs? 01.58.15 # PCM audio maybe 01.58.20 # depending what an overdub is 01.58.37 # Thanks, it basically means you hear a new pass-over the last audio track 01.58.52 # what does that mean? 01.58.54 # Two tracks at the same time, etc. 01.59.08 # so you want to load two tracks and play them at once? 01.59.26 # Right, though they're created live 01.59.42 # As soon as you finish recording the first track, you hit stop and it repeats 02.01.00 # Ideally you could create a temp directory to save files, but have them delete after you exit 02.02.24 # storage speed might be a problem, but you probably could do that 02.02.47 # although i don't think you'd be able to play it back in real time 02.03.17 # <[Saint]> kinda defeats the purpose :) 02.03.55 # Yeah, you'd kinda need that feature for it to work - Everyday Looper is the closest example of what I mean, though it wouldn't need to be that complicated 02.04.22 # whats the difference between ` and " strings in bash? 02.06.06 # <[Saint]> As I said earlier when I put my speculation hat on, the targets that have the guts to do this on run Rockbox as a hosted application instead of an OS replacement and /probably/ already have a solution. 02.07.22 # <[Saint]> That type of application is asking a fair bit from a DAP with such limited resources. 02.08.30 # <[Saint]> ...perhaps the Nano2G or the Beast or Classic could do it. Dunno. 02.08.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.09.09 # Alright, I'll try that then, thanks :) 02.09.56 # I was thinking about something as primitive as a Sansa Clip, but that would probably be impossible 02.12.05 # <[Saint]> The Clip is actually kinda snappy (and isn't hampered by a large spinning disk), but I'm not overly confident it'd be able to do this in realtime. 02.12.54 # Would the designated format really make a difference in terms of write speed or not? 02.16.12 # is the clip even capable of playing back and recording at the same time? 02.16.38 # seems like something an mp3 player wouldn't ever need to do 02.17.38 # You're right, it wouldn't, but there wouldn't be a way to rewrite that? 02.18.15 # <[Saint]> Not trivially. 02.18.31 # can't rewrite hardware 02.18.39 # unless you're going to pay a lot to get the new design fabbed 02.19.04 # Yikes, doesn't sound like something I could work around 02.19.33 # so when i call this sh script it gives me the git hash 02.19.42 # Thanks for the help. 02.19.57 # but when i do print `../tools/masterversion.sh` in a perl script it just gives me the first character of the hash 02.19.58 # why? 02.20.32 # <[Saint]> 'cos, perl. 02.23.27 Quit webguest75 (Quit: CGI:IRC) 02.31.27 # Torne: would you take a look at g#356? 02.31.30 # 3Gerrit review #356 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/356 : Add the current hash of the rockbox master git repo to rockbox-info.txt. by Michael Giacomelli (changes/56/356/1) 02.31.43 # i have no idea if its ok or even makes sense, but it seems like it'd be useful 02.38.17 # actually, is origin/master the current state of the rockbox repo? 02.38.22 # if so I guess that doesn't work either 02.42.32 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.45.22 Join factor [0] (~factor@74.196.97.147) 02.46.08 Part factor 02.59.30 Join SuperBrainAK [0] (~Andy@pool-173-79-63-191.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 03.02.42 Quit KiwiCam (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 03.05.02 Join eckoit [0] (~ryan@50.65.10.24) 03.05.58 Quit yosafbridge` (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 03.06.21 Part eckoit 03.07.25 Join yosafbridge [0] (~yosafbrid@li125-242.members.linode.com) 03.19.47 # <[Saint]> glargh! 03.20.01 # <[Saint]> building the yp-r0 toolchain is a royal PITA 03.31.05 Join perrikwp_ [0] (~quassel@cpe-075-177-082-185.triad.res.rr.com) 03.31.32 Quit perrikwp (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 03.34.49 Join KiwiCAM_ [0] (~quassel@101.98.163.139) 04.00.47 Join eckoit [0] (~ryan@50.65.10.24) 04.05.11 Quit breakfastsquid (Remote host closed the connection) 04.05.11 Quit brkfstsqd (Remote host closed the connection) 04.06.34 Quit mirak (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 04.08.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.24.37 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.24.38 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.24.38 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.24.40 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.24.41 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.24.43 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.42.08 Join WilliamC [0] (William@150.216.90.35) 04.42.41 # Some how my music player got corrupted, how do I recover it or at least do a format? 04.44.18 Join TheSphinX_ [0] (~briehl@p5B32174C.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.47.34 Quit TheSphinX^ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 04.52.49 # <[Saint]> WilliamC: that's very OS dependent. 04.53.05 # <[Saint]> fsck.vfat for linux, or chkdsk for Windows. 04.53.18 # It's taking forever to do anything 04.53.40 # The original OS says that the table is hosed 04.53.50 # Well, the original player firmware 05.10.12 Join mrripley [0] (~ripley@c-75-71-178-107.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 05.11.59 Join Rower85 [0] (husvagn@v-413-alfarv-90.bitnet.nu) 05.22.52 Part WilliamC ("Leaving") 05.23.29 Quit Clear_runway (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05.26.22 Part mrripley ("Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is") 05.31.19 Join brkfstsqd [0] (~quassel@ip68-224-121-213.lv.lv.cox.net) 05.37.51 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 05.38.00 Join [7] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.56.34 # * [Saint] *cannot* get arm-ypr0-linux-gnueabi compiled on Ubuntu 12.10 64 bit 06.01.40 # so, repeating from #r-c, the forums appear to be upgraded and functioning well enough now - it just needs some theme tweaking to get the rockbox.org sidebar in place on the side - there are still some mods and settings I need to look at, but those are not blockers 06.02.54 # if someone is familiar with website layout/CSS stuff and has some spare time to just add the sidebar on the theme and set the background color and such, after a bit of testing, I can clone that setup over and get the forums back up again... 06.04.44 # <[Saint]> uuuuuughhhh, and now I have no idea what's left over that was shat onto my disk by the (multiple) failed attempts to compile this toolchain. 06.05.34 # <[Saint]> it /really/ doesn't fail in a nice way at all. 06.08.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.19.36 Join WilliamC [0] (~William@150.216.90.35) 06.19.51 # I'm thinking that the latest firmware for the Clip Zip is bad 06.25.34 Quit SuperBrainAK (Quit: pbly going to sleep /_\) 06.50.53 Part WilliamC ("Leaving") 06.57.20 Quit guymann (Remote host closed the connection) 06.57.41 Join akaWolf [0] (~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf) 06.58.19 Join guymann [0] (~c@unaffiliated/guymann) 07.07.22 Quit brkfstsqd (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 07.07.36 Part Totalled ("PETTAN PETTAN, TSURUPETTAN!") 07.11.31 Quit guymann (Quit: ff) 07.12.09 Join guymann [0] (~c@unaffiliated/guymann) 07.24.09 Quit Gallomimia (Quit: Gallomimia) 07.29.35 Quit eckoit (Quit: eckoit) 07.37.44 Quit scorche (Disconnected by services) 07.37.48 Join scorche` [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 07.54.59 Join mortalis [0] (~mortalis@195.34.194.126.kalibroao.ru) 07.55.09 Join derk0pf [0] (~k@p5DDC0E06.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.01.27 Quit ps-auxw (Read error: Operation timed out) 08.06.02 Join ps-auxw [0] (~arneb@2001:470:c807:0:1532:4e5f:2ad3:4123) 08.08.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.16.57 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@89-76-32-53.dynamic.chello.pl) 08.24.20 Join ender1 [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.30.35 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@sestofw01.enea.se) 08.30.36 Quit Zagor (Changing host) 08.30.36 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.33.52 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@giant.haxx.se) 08.44.34 Quit derk0pf () 08.45.33 Join melmothX [0] (~melmoth@unaffiliated/melmothx) 08.51.21 Join derk0pf [0] (~k@p5DDC0E06.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.51.36 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 09.08.09 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@vit94-1-82-67-248-70.fbx.proxad.net) 09.08.09 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 09.08.09 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 09.11.33 # pamaury: Your lcd_yuv_blit() looks pretty general. Maybe we should make it weak function overwritten if someone comes with optimized implementation? 09.14.45 # there is already a generic one 09.16.06 # where? 09.16.29 # lcd-16bit-common.c or something 09.22.06 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 09.27.56 # heh I guess pamaury copied the function from lcd-16bit-common.c 09.37.42 # wodz: there is a generic one but I planned to replace it with the hardware code and never did it :( 09.38.38 # pamaury: sure but isn't it better to use generic one and copy it over unless you actually come to implementing optimized version? 09.39.21 # yes, but I did that a long ago :) Ok, you win, I'll replace it with the generic one a few moments 09.39.35 Quit XavierGr (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09.41.06 # eee, I mean *do not copy it over*. Its defined as WEAK alias so you simply have to remove one from target specific file to get generic fallback 09.43.57 # hell, I have hard time reading disasm of atj adfu binary. Compiler seems to assume that s7 register holds some global base address and uses relative addressing quite a lot. The problem is I can't spot what this base is :-/ 09.47.11 Join mirak [0] (~mirak@89-92-229-91.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 09.53.01 # Anyone have a clue what is located at first 0x200 bytes on mips memory? It seems reserved for something but can't find in documents what it is 09.55.38 # pamaury: why dont you just delete it? 09.55.46 # #if 0 is bad style imo 09.56.05 # especially without any nearby comments 09.56.39 # kugel_: you mean me? 09.56.52 # i know you added a comment, but it makes me think "why is this #if 0'd code still here" 09.56.54 # wodz: yes, sorry 09.58.10 # kugel_: I prefer to leave it there. Otherwise I bet I forget that there is some magic, general implementation linked from somewhere else. 09.59.15 # rk27xx lcdif can do yuv->rgb conversion in hardware. I'll replace generic implementation when I figure out how to use this. 10.01.20 # kugel_: I meant to remove it, not #if 0 it !! 10.08.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.26.23 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@g231206212.adsl.alicedsl.de) 10.44.18 Quit derk0pf () 10.46.22 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@2001:638:605:4:75e7:fd83:ba5b:c61d) 10.51.11 Join derk0pf [0] (~k@p5DDC0E06.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.55.21 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 11.02.52 # scorche`: can you send me some infornmation about this theme? I don't know much about this area either, but I should be able to have a look tonight (without promises!) 11.07.26 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 11.21.58 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 11.28.00 Join scorche [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 11.28.35 Quit scorche` (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.29.22 Quit jm (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 11.46.10 Quit derk0pf () 11.52.16 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@46.18.27.126) 12.07.49 Join SuperBrainAK [0] (~Andy@207.87.40.22) 12.08.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.12.49 Join WalkGood [0] (~4@unaffiliated/walkgood) 12.13.03 Quit linuxguy3 (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 12.19.34 Quit SuperBrainAK (Quit: pbly going to sleep /_\) 12.27.08 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 12.28.46 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 12.29.00 Quit lorenzo92 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0/20121120062532]) 12.29.07 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 12.29.53 Quit bluebrother^ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.30.01 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g224239077.adsl.alicedsl.de) 12.30.52 Join Topy44|2 [0] (kvirc@f049109196.adsl.alicedsl.de) 12.33.53 Quit Topy44 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.37.39 Join derk0pf [0] (~k@p5DDC0E06.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.45.29 Quit WalkGood () 12.50.02 Join nateloaf [0] (~nwild@S0106bcaec5c3e90e.wp.shawcable.net) 12.57.47 # saratoga: i replied to the review, but unfortunately the summary is "that way doesn't work and there's not any readily available way that does" :/ 13.07.13 Join Krill- [0] (~walfutter@mail01.junger-audio.com) 13.07.15 # g'day 13.12.12 Join Guest44874 [0] (husvagn@v-413-alfarv-90.bitnet.nu) 13.14.17 Quit Rower85 (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 13.14.44 Join sentriz [0] (~Senan@78.143.151.93) 13.20.21 Quit petur (Quit: *plop*) 13.25.50 Join jm__ [0] (jm@epicsol.org) 13.27.20 Quit Guest44874 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.31.39 # I'd like to help out with the ClipZip manual (at least the missing images). I have the simulator ready, and I grokked out the naming convention and where to put the files. May I proceed or is there a similar effort already going on? 13.32.07 # I don't think anyone is working on it 13.34.37 # what do you prefer? a tarball with the images in the proper directory or a git fork? (but where to push the changes, assuming but not sure I can't mail a patch with binary files inside) 13.34.43 # melmothX: neither 13.34.58 # we have a gerrit instance that you can push changes to 13.35.26 # oh, that's uber-cool. I'm on my way 13.37.34 Quit soap (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13.37.50 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 13.38.02 Join soap [0] (~soap@cpe-174-102-96-10.woh.res.rr.com) 13.38.03 Quit soap (Changing host) 13.38.03 Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 13.39.32 # melmothX: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/UsingGit should have all the details you need 13.43.24 # i was indeed looking there for the gerrit thing. Can do, no problem 13.56.17 # Anyone already sent back a Sansa to after sales service with rockbox installed? 13.59.32 # lebellium: this might be interesting if you're in the EU: http://piana.eu/root 14.00.22 # The concerned user is in France indeed 14.00.28 # Zagor: the problem is that the manufacturer will likely ignore that and you'll have to argue and waste a lot of time trying to get your rights respected 14.00.52 # copper: sure. but knowing your rights is never bad. 14.00.55 # better restore the OF if you can 14.01.24 # Zagor: sure, it's nice to know 14.01.50 Quit sentriz (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 14.02.56 # he guy has a clip zip that is no longer recognized by the computer. OF gets stuck on Sansa logo at startup 14.03.10 # the guy* 14.04.03 # I'm not sure if it is possible to remove the .rockbox folder with the File Manager while using Rockbox 14.05.31 # It should be 14.07.41 # and what could be responsible for OF brick? Isn't there a problematic OF database file that can be deleted from Rockbox file manager? 14.08.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.09.12 Join sentriz [0] (~Senan@78.143.151.93) 14.10.32 Join scorche|1h [0] (~scorche@squisch.net) 14.10.42 Join new299_ [0] (~new@41j.com) 14.11.09 Join alexbobp_ [0] (~alex@capitalthree.pwnz.org) 14.12.56 Join Krillye [0] (~walfutter@mail01.junger-audio.com) 14.15.45 Quit Bagder (Ping timeout: 295 seconds) 14.15.45 Quit scorche|sh (Ping timeout: 295 seconds) 14.15.52 Quit alexbobp (Ping timeout: 251 seconds) 14.16.07 Quit new299 (Ping timeout: 273 seconds) 14.16.07 Quit wodz (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.16.15 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 14.16.34 Quit Krill- (Ping timeout: 259 seconds) 14.16.44 Nick Krillye is now known as Krill- (~walfutter@mail01.junger-audio.com) 14.20.29 Join factor [0] (~factor@74.196.97.147) 14.21.35 # hum I just tried on my CLip Zip: after deleting the .rockbox folder while using rockbox there is still the bootloader that displays Rockbox. So no way to hide Rockbox for the after sales service :( 14.21.38 Part factor 14.34.33 Quit pystar89 (Read error: Operation timed out) 14.36.30 Quit derk0pf () 14.45.10 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 15.02.01 Quit mortalis (Quit: Leaving) 15.03.29 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@89-76-32-53.dynamic.chello.pl) 15.04.44 # lebellium: it should be possible to reflash device when running rockbox (there is no code for this but it should be fairly simple) but if you removed rockbox I guess you have no other way to run custom code now... 15.06.05 # wodz: my clip zip works fine :) I tried it for another user. I already replied him some minutes ago and he read my posts. So I don't know if he already removed Rockbox yet or not 15.12.45 Join webguest32 [0] (~a8dd9f1c@www.haxx.se) 15.13.20 Quit webguest32 (Client Quit) 15.32.40 Join eckoit [0] (~ryan@50.65.10.24) 15.34.02 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 15.42.35 Quit funman (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) 15.42.51 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 15.43.40 Join Clear_runway [0] (~Clear_run@74.221.202.246) 15.43.46 Quit sentriz (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 15.46.42 Join derk0pf [0] (~k@p5DDC0E06.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.59.48 # the "official" rockbox ipod6g dev builds seem to work better than the aroldan/head-fi builds 16.08.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.09.46 Join sentriz [0] (~Senan@78.143.151.93) 16.15.15 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 16.16.20 Join amayer_ [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 16.17.25 # Is there a way to list "Album Artists" in the database, instead of artists? 16.17.52 # e.g. "Genre" lists all artists, I'd like it to list only album artists 16.19.55 Join Krillye [0] (~walfutter@mail01.junger-audio.com) 16.21.04 # sure, change the tagnavi config to anything you like 16.22.53 Quit Krill- (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16.23.13 # gevaerts: theoretically, you can now edit the raw text on the admin panel of the forums - practically, it doesnt work out so well unless you are *extra* careful not to forget a semicolon or something like that, as that will break the page 16.23.40 # gevaerts: either way, I will get you want you need when i get to work and finish a few things 16.24.04 # OK 16.29.55 # Torne: I put this in /.rockbox/tagnavi_custom.config: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=YR64TULb 16.29.58 # doesn't make a difference 16.29.59 Nick alexbobp_ is now known as alexbobp (~alex@capitalthree.pwnz.org) 16.30.39 # that's not how you override the menu 16.31.08 # ok? 16.32.01 # i forget what order it gets included in 16.32.03 # one sec 16.32.42 # first block is used, supposedly 16.32.53 # and tagnavi_custom.config is loaded before the main menu definition 16.33.03 # the usual way to do it is to use a different name for th emenu 16.33.14 # and set %root_menu to something else 16.33.22 # not to redefine the menus that are already defined 16.33.22 # ok 16.33.22 # call it my_main or something 16.34.18 # sure 16.34.58 # does it actually say anywhere that the first definition of a menu is the one that takes effect? 16.35.04 # it says the first root menu declaration takes effect. 16.36.14 # the docs for the database stuff are all pretty wonky and hard to follow 16.38.01 # doesn't work 16.38.26 Part LinusN 16.39.17 # by doesn't work you mean the entire menu is completely unchanged? 16.39.31 # have you tried changing it to something completely different? 16.39.37 # i.e. different menu options, not jsut different sorting 16.40.04 # I don't see my menu at all 16.40.04 # also, what are you doing to get it to notice? 16.40.06 # I changed the name and label 16.40.15 # I unplugged from USB and rebooted 16.40.41 # I also selected "update database" 16.41.18 # you don't need to update the database (the stored data is in the same format no matter what) 16.41.23 # but yeah, it needs a reboot i think 16.41.23 # anyway. it works for me :) 16.41.32 # not your config specifically, but i do have a custom tagnavi on mine 16.41.40 # i don't have it handy 16.41.43 # ah 16.41.45 # so can't give you an example, sorry 16.41.51 # was gonna ask you to pastebin it :) 16.42.23 # yeah i don't actually carry my ipod most of the time any more :) 16.42.23 # only on long trips 16.42.23 # so it's at home 16.44.04 # anyway. you can also just edit the main tagnavi config as long as you are careful not to overwrite it when you upgrade rockbox 16.44.09 # the wya the overrides work is fiddly and i don't remember exactly what you have to do :/ 16.45.26 # just did that, worked :) 16.45.45 # yah, so it's a problem with how you are overriding the menus 16.45.49 # kept a copy on my HDD for future upgrades 16.46.21 # anyway. as far as the docs suggest and i remember, you should be able to define whatever you want in the custom tagnavi, with different names to the usual ones 16.46.27 # oddly enough, I just plugged and unplugged the iPod maybe 5 times in a row, and it didn't even freeze or crash ;) 16.46.28 # and then also replace the root menu with %root_menu 16.46.55 # thanks for your help 16.55.42 Quit Zagor (Quit: Clint excited) 16.59.07 Part eckoit 17.03.38 # Torne: I figured it out: I forgot to keep the '#! rockbox/tagbrowser/2.0' header on the first line 17.04.02 # huh, really? it actually cares about that? 17.04.17 # odd :) 17.05.57 # q99999.afsdf 17.16.39 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! 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There's a command line argument for that. Not sure what it is right away though... 18.27.29 # zoom 18.27.40 # but I don't remember the parameter (syntax) 18.28.22 # --zoom 18.28.47 # 1 means unchanged 18.28.53 # 2 means twice as big 18.29.02 # damn, i should have passed the --help before asking 18.29.21 # thanks people 18.29.31 # You can use floating point these days and make it smaller if you like :) 18.32.54 # 2x is really fine. (now that i'm near the end of the chore) 18.34.19 # Some people prefer 0.5! 18.37.18 # lol, 48x48 and still reading the writings? 18.40.03 # Well, not for clip-sized things 18.40.20 # Try working on a theme for e.g. the nexus 10 on your PC though :) 18.55.36 Join XavierGr [0] (XavierGr@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 19.07.12 # so, basically I miss 4 screenshots. Invadrox, which I can't find in the menu, pacbox, rockboy and zxbox, unclear where to find the roms (i didn't search a lot, to say the truth). Any suggestions? 19.09.09 # Invadrox won't be there. It's only compiled for LCDs with a width of 138 pixels or more 19.10.14 # I'd say leave those out for now 19.10.31 # ok, perfect 19.15.18 # laters 19.15.20 Quit Krill-- (Quit: *poff*) 19.38.57 Join pretty_function [0] (~sigBART@123.252.212.66) 19.42.33 Join WalkGood [0] (~4@unaffiliated/walkgood) 19.50.48 Quit TheSphinX_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19.51.31 # The screenshots for the Sansa Clip Zip are here, please review http://gerrit.rockbox.org/357 19.55.16 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (~briehl@p5B32293B.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.56.26 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-068-213-037-174.sip.mcn.bellsouth.net) 20.07.24 Nick Belzebub_ is now known as Belzebub (~torrentow@195.117.144.66) 20.08.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.12.32 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 20.17.30 Join eckoit [0] (~ryan@50.65.10.24) 20.28.22 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Connection reset by deer.) 20.32.05 Join |akaWolf| [0] (~akaWolf@188.134.9.161) 20.33.32 Join dfkt_ [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 20.34.43 Quit akaWolf (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 20.35.20 Quit pretty_function (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20.36.11 Quit dfkt (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 20.36.12 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@p5490DB9F.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.36.14 Quit Horscht (Changing host) 20.36.14 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 20.37.26 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@89-76-32-53.dynamic.chello.pl) 20.37.33 # pamaury: ping 20.37.37 # pong 20.38.13 # I tried to fix rk27xx usb this week-end but no luck. I can't see what I'm missing, all the init seems right ! 20.39.29 # pamaury: I got actions sdk for atj213x. The files inside are mostly binaries but some of them are packed in this "3DUfw" thing. atjboottool doesn't like them unfortunately. It chokes on Version: 7d (Unknown) 20.40.08 # ok, can you send me the sdk ? 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I.e. Gaslight Anthem, The instead of The Gaslight Anthem 23.23.38 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-068-213-037-174.sip.mcn.bellsouth.net) 23.23.40 # Or is that controlled by the theme or something? 23.24.05 # you mean in WPS? 23.24.26 # In the database 23.25.33 # it is not handled by theme AFAIK 23.26.37 Quit derkopf (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 23.26.47 # I noticed there's import & export modifications option in the database settings, any idea what that's for? 23.27.20 # I guess manual covers this 23.27.37 # Ok I'll have a look 23.27.57 Join derk0pf [0] (~k@p5DDC3581.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.28.48 # xenyz: see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DataBase 23.29.05 # There's an example that specifically does the the thing 23.29.51 # it is really amusing - actions adfu server IS hand written assembly 23.31.24 # gevaerts: thanks, this is exactly what i was looking for 23.34.00 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 23.35.25 Quit mirak (Quit: Ex-Chat) 23.35.52 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@host2-44-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 23.36.01 # pamaury: nice to know, great ;) 23.36.18 # fortunately the updater was encrypted with the default key 23.36.45 Quit nateloaf (Quit: Leaving.) 23.39.51 # gevaerts: so from what i gather it was suggested here http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5923 but has been rejected :( 23.41.02 # * gevaerts is of the opinion that if an artist or band decides to have "The" as part of their name, he isn't going to overrule them :) 23.41.25 # pamaury: uh! updater.sb you mean? that's also a nice thing hehe 23.41.55 # I just think it's easier to find the band if they're sorted the other way, but I see what you mean 23.42.16 # pamaury: I will work again on Z5Update.dat as soon as possible...and player will arrive soon xD 23.42.22 # I'm trying to remember how the iPod does it, I think they keep the 'The' but sort it where it would go without the 'The' 23.42.52 # So what do they do with other languages? 23.43.15 # I think the consensus is that we could accept a patch that adds this, *if* it's properly configurable 23.43.16 # I'm only familiar with the english interface 23.43.38 # Well, band names are not related to the UI language, to complicate things :) 23.44.16 # Exactly, I went into the database options hoping for a switch like 'Sort Artists starting with The' 23.44.27 # xenyz: Or Das, or ... 23.44.45 # Technically if you have, say, a German artist and an English artist, you can *not* sort them :) 23.45.04 # (because neither German nor English sort order is appropriate for both) 23.45.05 # I prefer The to be ignored for sorting, but hate it when it still displays The XXx instaed of XXX, The 23.45.14 # I find it impossible to find stuff like that 23.45.24 # I guess it would be like a database setting, where you choose the Collation 23.45.35 # What about the filebrowser? 23.45.58 # Well you couldn't rename the files in the filebrowser, it'd just be for the database 23.46.14 # Well, you could, but I agree with you :) 23.46.24 Join brkfstsqd [0] (~quassel@ip68-224-121-213.lv.lv.cox.net) 23.46.25 # I agree the artist is "The XXX" not "XXX, The", but finding it should be under X, not T 23.46.25 Join breakfastsquid [0] (~quassel@ip68-224-121-213.lv.lv.cox.net) 23.46.42 # No, i want XXX, The if the The is ignored 23.46.44 # the right way to do this is using sort tags, not having a configurable set of strings 23.46.54 # we would love patches to do sort tag support :) 23.46.59 # I find The XXX sorted under XX to be impossible to find 23.47.05 # Torne: Yep 23.47.08 # But the player should display the artist as "The XXX" 23.47.08 Quit Horscht (Quit: Verlassend) 23.47.16 # then this choice of what to display is easy 23.47.19 # As Torne says, sort tags exist 23.47.25 # We just don't support them 23.47.25 # you can separately choose to sort by or display the regular/sort tags 23.47.34 # so you an sort under The or under Who, and see The Who or Who, The 23.47.37 # as you choose 23.47.41 # it just needs implementing :) 23.47.52 # Hmm so it depends on tags on the files? 23.47.54 # Also, sort tags work correctly for, say, "The The" 23.48.02 # or other bands with hilarious names 23.48.04 # :) 23.48.35 # xenyz: yes, if done correctly 23.48.37 # But "The The" would show up under T anyway :) 23.48.38 # xenyz: there are defined alternate tag properties for artist/album/etc that allow for the name to be present in catalog sort form as well as normal form, yes 23.48.56 # all my music has these tags because picard does it for you :) 23.49.27 # Hmm I'll have to check it out, but for all the music not tagged like that it'd be useful to have the player do the sort 23.49.46 # Only for English 23.49.49 # that's super coplicated and hard to do correctly 23.49.52 # Otherwise a good 20-30% of artists in the list are going to be clumped together under T 23.50.10 # We support many languages, all need to be catered for 23.50.18 # Yes it would have to be an option you choose to use, not the default behaviour 23.50.29 # e.g. please sort "Die Krupps" and "Die Screaming" successfully :) 23.50.30 # and work for all languages 23.50.33 # No, you can't do it with a single option 23.50.45 # because music is named in more than one language regardless of the language of the speaker :) 23.50.50 # Torne: I think he is still ignoring everything except The in English 23.50.57 # "Die Krupps" sorts as "Krupps, Die" 23.50.59 # because yaknow 23.51.02 # that's what it means in german :) 23.51.05 # "Sort Artists with The" Yes/No 23.51.19 # As has been said many times... 23.51.22 # Other languages 23.51.37 # Yes you could have additional options "Sort Artists with Die" Yes/No 23.51.37 # i expect die krupps to be under K 23.51.47 # but i expect things that are using the english word "die" to be under D 23.51.53 # You cannot do this by matching text :) 23.51.59 # xenyz: But Die is also english 23.52.22 # also there are a *lot* of words that mean "the" 23.52.30 # if you consider, like, twenty or thirty languages 23.52.33 # and different genders/etc 23.52.37 # If my main langage is english, i wouldn't be using the Die sort, and vice-versa for German I'd think 23.52.41 # why not? 23.52.47 # i speak german 23.52.53 # i know what die krupps's name means 23.53.11 # Are a good 20-30% of band's names "Die somethng" in German? 23.53.23 # or der something, or das something :) 23.53.31 # No idea, but German isn't the only concern 23.53.36 # There are lots of languages 23.53.38 # So that sort would be useful for someone with a german music collection, no? 23.53.54 # We don't want 30 options, a lot of which won't be right 23.53.55 # If 30% of your music was showing up under D, etc 23.54.27 # Unless you happen to have e.g. a band starting with Die in English too 23.54.46 # I just think Apple got this one right, at least when it's set to English , to sort the artists by the second word if the first is "The" 23.54.59 # That's because they ignore everyone else 23.55.07 # * gevaerts prefers his view that you can't sort if you have more than one language in the list, so you should always shuffle 23.55.12 # In fact the majority of indexes put the on the end 23.55.23 # They're all wrongf 23.55.23 # put the 'the' on the end.. 23.55.32 # They're all right :) 23.55.38 # Seriously. That English-centrism is *very* insulting 23.55.57 # But it would only be when your language is set to English 23.56.14 # Just lie the iPod, I'm assuming 23.56.25 # *your* language and the language of the text in the list are totally unrelated 23.57.02 # I dislike things making stupid wrong assumptions for me, and then forcing them on me. This is what Apple excel at 23.57.13 # I'm just saying that if my player is set to english language, it would be useful to have an option to be able to sort the artists names 'properly' in the usual english-language method 23.57.34 # yes, and we said that a way to do this that would work all the time for everyone would be to support sort tags properly 23.57.39 # If it doesn't work out for other languages, the option is there to not use :) 23.57.43 # No 23.57.50 # The option is to make it work for everyone 23.57.51 # if people do't care to tag their music collections properly then we don't care very much to display them i teh order they want 23.58.09 # adding code for special cases when there is a *better* way that works for the general case is not generally a good idea 23.58.24 # I suppose. 23.58.31 # also, Apple use the sort tag 23.58.44 # Re-tagging an entire collection of music so your player sorts it properly is the other way to see it 23.58.47 # they may *also* have a heuristic that guesses that "the" is special, if the tag isn't there, i don't know 23.58.55 # but if you have sort tags, then itunes and the ipod sort by that order :) 23.59.00 # including putting Die Krupps under K