--- Log for 27.12.112 Server: card.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 22 days and 23 hours ago 00.02.37 Quit eckoit (Quit: eckoit) 00.02.51 Quit XavierGr () 00.08.21 Quit thomasjfox (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 00.14.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.17.29 Nick funman_ is now known as funman (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 00.17.53 Quit Topy44|2 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.18.28 Join Topy44 [0] (kvirc@f048032111.adsl.alicedsl.de) 00.31.14 Quit nomada (Remote host closed the connection) 00.35.34 Join nomada [0] (~nomada@irc.consciente.de) 00.36.04 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 00.49.17 Quit ender` (Quit: It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. It isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs.) 00.51.19 Join brkfstsqd [0] (~quassel@108-81-18-58.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) 00.54.15 Quit N810-Strife89 (Quit: Vamoose!) 01.01.07 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Heading home.) 01.21.48 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 01.32.33 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 01.40.50 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 01.45.36 Quit brkfstsqd (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 02.02.24 Join amayer [0] (~yaaic@70.15.156.170.res-cmts.eph2.ptd.net) 02.11.37 Join shamus [0] (~shamus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 02.14.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.17.58 Join sentriz [0] (~Senan@78.143.151.93) 02.24.05 Join the-kyle [0] (~kyle@93.115.84.198) 02.44.03 Quit sentriz (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.44.36 Join DonAman [0] (~DocHollid@unaffiliated/phifedoc) 03.15.52 # <[Saint]> who maintains/has direct access to the github mirror? 03.16.18 # * [Saint] was thinking that it would be nice if Rockbox had a project page in the repo there. 03.17.02 # <[Saint]> https://help.github.com/articles/user-organization-and-project-pages 03.43.48 Join brkfstsqd [0] (~quassel@cpe-76-174-92-90.socal.res.rr.com) 03.54.02 Quit the-kyle (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.54.44 Join the-kyle [0] (~kyle@93.115.84.198) 04.14.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.18.14 Join HelpPlease [0] (~462dadf9@www.haxx.se) 04.18.29 # Can someone help? 04.19.20 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (~briehl@p579CC0DD.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.19.40 # Help? 04.20.06 Quit TheSphinX_ (Read error: Operation timed out) 04.20.58 # <[Saint]> Just ask your question. 04.21.25 # <[Saint]> ...and please, don't PM to try to get a response. 04.21.44 # I'm sorry, I'm freaking out a bit. 04.22.34 # So, it's the same guy that came for the release notes on the ipod Classic 6gen; I finished installing rockbox on my 6th gen. It was running fine for a few hours; however, once I powered down, it refuses to power up again. 04.22.37 # What gives? 04.23.22 # <[Saint]> Hard-reset the device. 04.23.25 # <[Saint]> Menu+Select 04.24.19 # ...I've got to read the manual for this. Yeah, that was a pretty simple fix, apparently. 04.24.31 # Can you link me to the operating manual, if there is one? 04.25.16 # <[Saint]> It's the same fix for Roxkbox/emCORE as it is the Apple OF, Menu+Select is controlled by hardware, not software, so it always works as long as the hardware is functional. 04.26.09 # <[Saint]> There is currently no manual for the Classic, due to the port status, but it is essentially identical to the iPod Video: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html 04.26.55 # Ah, I see.Should I submit a bug report about the incident, or is it common enough? 04.26.57 # <[Saint]> Some features mentioned in the manual for the Video remain unimplemented, but there's no features on the Classic that are not implemented on the Video. 04.27.23 # <[Saint]> It is common enough, and I'm not sure that bug reports for "unusable" targets are accepted. 04.27.55 # <[Saint]> The tricky part of the Classic port is that it still relies on a bootloader that is entirely seperate to the Rockbox project. 04.28.17 # Ah, so sorting out the problem is much more difficult because of the two variables. 04.28.52 # <[Saint]> Yes and no. It can sometimes be difficult to decide who to direct support requests to. 04.29.13 # I see; if you don't mind me going off topic, are you one of Rockbox's developers? 04.29.37 # <[Saint]> For the main part, I am happy to handle rockbox-specific issues here, but technically, Rockbox offers no official way to install this port so support falls in the hands of the emCORE team. 04.30.06 # <[Saint]> It's not /very/ off-topic, but, yes...you could say that. 04.30.32 # <[Saint]> Insofar as I have my name in the credits and a few hundered lines of code to my name. 04.30.44 # <[Saint]> ...not particularly interesting things, though. :) 04.31.32 # Alright; thanks for your efforts anyhow. I've been using Rockbox for a year or two now and I've been satisfied with every single install I've done. 04.31.39 # So I thank you personally. :3 04.33.51 # <[Saint]> My efforts revolve around the UI, but, thanks nonetheless. 04.34.27 # Sorry for getting so worked up, and thanks for the fix! 04.35.27 # <[Saint]> I understand. As much as we puch across the target is unstable/unusable, people are still going to (rightfully) expect it to work, or at least power on. 04.35.54 # <[Saint]> ...a lot of people don't know about the menu+select reset, as the Apple firmware very rarely gets itself into this situation. 04.36.12 # Huh; I see. 04.36.26 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.36.29 # <[Saint]> but the procedure is the same for Rockbox and the Apple firmware, it is linked to hardware, not software. So if the hardware works, it will always reset the device. 04.36.35 # What should I expect in terms of errors? Is there anything particulary device breaking I should know about? 04.36.46 Join shamus [0] (~shamus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 04.37.06 # <[Saint]> USB may or may not take some time to mount, or refuse to mount at all. 04.37.15 # <[Saint]> Other than that, no, I think not. 04.37.34 # i had to learn that because my ipod nano 2nd gen boots to OF when i have it off and plug it in so i have to reboot it 04.38.11 # <[Saint]> The main issues keeping the port back from being classified as unstable (and eventually stable) are: lack of a manual, lack of a Rockbox bootloader (as in, not emCORE), and a few missing features. 04.39.00 # <[Saint]> Your iPod Nano 2G will reboot to the OF iff (if and only if) the hold switch is engaged during USB insertion/powerup. 04.39.16 # <[Saint]> this is the same for all the supported iPods with dual-boot. 04.39.57 # <[Saint]> (note, the Classic current lacks dual-boot. At the present point, there isn't anything more than a few very low-level elements of Apple code left on the device) 04.40.03 # <[Saint]> *currently 04.40.16 # hrm i dont recall if the hold switch was on or not :/ 04.40.42 # <[Saint]> It's the only time a power cycle wil boot the OF over Rockbox. 04.41.13 # <[Saint]> It's actually a safety feature, in case Rockbox becomes to unstable to be able to mount so you can repair the installation 04.41.23 # ah smart 04.42.57 # <[Saint]> In the case of the Classic (and also the Nano 2G), the emCORE bootloader provides this functionality via holding any key during boot if fastboot is enabled. 04.43.19 # <[Saint]> otherwise it will always boot to the boot menu and allow you to boot a rescue image from the Tools menu. 04.43.24 Quit amayer (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 04.44.19 # <[Saint]> emCORE menu - Tools - Run Rockbox fallback image (in case you need to use it) 04.46.34 # <[Saint]> You can also install emCORE on your Nano 2G, but it is really aimed at more of an advanced use case. 04.47.18 # <[Saint]> If all you need it for is to boot Rockbox and the OF, the Rockbox bootloader is fine. 04.47.34 # yea im fine with the rockbox bootloader 04.47.51 # <[Saint]> emCORE was created during the very hectic early days of stability with the Nano2G port. 04.48.47 # <[Saint]> It then branched off into the Classic when some user discovered a viable exploit for the Nano 3G, which turned out to be viable on the Nano 4G and Classic as well. 04.49.12 # <[Saint]> Until then, the door was firmly shut on a port for the Classic. 04.49.55 # <[Saint]> Some very kind user donated TheSeven a (somewhat damaged) iPod Classic, and about a month later we had a (allbeit rather skeletal) Rockbox port for the Classic. 04.51.34 # * SuperBrainAK wonders how easy it would be to include a rather common/cheap mp3 to the rockbox lineup :) 04.52.06 # <[Saint]> ...Like the Sansas, or Rockchip devices? 04.52.23 # i actually have like 3 of them, they are called riptunes 04.52.40 # <[Saint]> You can pick up a Fuze or a Clip *pretty* damn cheap these days. 04.52.55 # I got mine for $45. 04.53.07 # They die quick, though. I've had tow in a year's span. 04.53.10 # *two 04.53.32 # * [Saint] classes the Clips as a "disposable" device. 04.53.52 # Agreed. 04.53.54 # <[Saint]> They feel kinda cheap, they are literally kinda cheap, and they're not /terribly/ rebost. 04.54.11 # They're pretty useful for what they are, though. 04.54.19 # <[Saint]> ...they're a great player when treated well, with a case and a screen gaured they'll last quite some time. 04.54.29 # <[Saint]> *gaurd 04.54.56 # Oh? 04.55.03 # <[Saint]> I like the Fuze, but the mechanical wheel is a failure point. 04.55.16 # this is the kind of riptunes i have but there are many varietys: http://www.amazon.com/Riptunes-2GB-MP3-Player-Black/dp/B004HSRXJM 04.55.54 # <[Saint]> SuperBrainAK: and, it's a rockchip SoC in these devices? 04.57.04 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.57.05 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.57.05 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.57.05 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.57.07 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.57.10 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.57.27 # <[Saint]> There's currently a generic rk27** port, which is why I ask. 04.57.56 # um the main µc is an ak2027c multimedia controller 05.00.19 Join amayer [0] (~yaaic@h70.58.21.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 05.00.28 # ive got the datasheet downloaded but i cant find it online anymore :/ 05.00.56 # <[Saint]> :-S 05.01.42 # <[Saint]> Found it for you: http://goo.gl/9Jkdq 05.04.17 # i am using duckduckgo and i skipped the first link :) 05.05.10 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 05.05.19 Join [7] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.05.43 # i guess with my new 16MP camera i can post some good pics of the board 05.06.46 # i cant do it today cuz im away from the board 05.20.21 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05.22.08 Join shamus [0] (~shamus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 05.23.12 # That's weird...I just turned booted into Rockbox and it's stuck at the spash screen. 05.23.16 Quit shamus (Client Quit) 05.23.38 Join shamus [0] (~shamus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 05.24.01 # Oh, fixed. 05.24.24 # * SuperBrainAK spashes helpplease :) 05.25.14 # spashes? 05.25.23 # Oh! 05.25.28 # *Splash 05.25.48 # But I just reset, no biggie. 05.26.21 # dont mind me im just restless 05.27.03 Quit Scromple (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05.28.14 # Oh! Then maybe I can ask you; can I use the iPod Video themes with the iPod Classic 6g port? 05.28.36 Quit shamus (Quit: chaos reigns within reflect repent and reboot order shall return) 05.29.20 # * SuperBrainAK is just an inexperienced rockbox fan 05.29.34 # I know that feel. 05.30.00 # I thought I'd never go back to apple, but the Zip died so quickly, I just coudn't stand it. 05.30.01 # ;w; 05.30.48 # its possible the themes are compatible depends on what is the difference 05.31.50 # Well, the iPod video and classic don't have mcuh; I'll just give it a shot and tell you what happens. 05.32.27 Join TheSphinX_ [0] (~briehl@p5B321792.dip.t-dialin.net) 05.32.51 # k itll be a learning experience for me and you 05.33.23 Join Scromple [0] (~Simon@161.43.73.67) 05.34.42 Quit TheSphinX^ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 05.34.51 Join james [0] (~james@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 05.35.15 Nick james is now known as Guest83263 (~james@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 05.35.48 # Well, it works pretty well. 05.35.56 # Smaller than I expected, but it fits like a glove. 05.36.02 Quit Guest83263 (Client Quit) 05.36.20 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 05.36.53 # cool 05.37.41 # So, yeah, it could be done. You have to play around with the settings a bit to get it to work, though. 05.38.23 # ah 05.41.56 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 05.46.20 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05.46.56 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 05.48.16 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 06.00.16 Quit SuperBrainAK (Quit: pbly going to sleep /_\) 06.14.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.25.23 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/user/saint) 06.42.09 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06.43.06 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 06.54.31 Join eckoit [0] (~ryan@50.65.10.24) 06.56.31 Part Gallomimia ("Leaving") 07.16.21 Join |akaWolf| [0] (~akaWolf@188.134.9.161) 07.42.55 Quit eckoit (Quit: eckoit) 07.52.40 Quit HelpPlease (Quit: CGI:IRC) 08.14.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.44.06 Quit sakax (Remote host closed the connection) 08.46.51 Join kevku [0] (x@2001:470:dcc6:0:69:69:69:69) 08.51.19 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 09.05.39 Join melmothX [0] (~melmoth@unaffiliated/melmothx) 09.14.46 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.15.37 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 09.49.09 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 10.14.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.40.21 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 10.40.33 Join Rower85 [0] (husvagn@v-413-alfarv-177.bitnet.nu) 11.00.36 Quit Raptors (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.02.07 Join sentriz [0] (~Senan@78.143.151.93) 11.02.08 Join Raptors [0] (~Raptors@67.55.34.163) 11.06.53 Join XavierGr [0] (~xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 11.17.17 Quit brkfstsqd (Remote host closed the connection) 11.33.48 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 11.35.21 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 11.36.41 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g231120130.adsl.alicedsl.de) 11.36.54 Quit bluebrother^ (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 11.54.04 Quit nateloaf (Quit: Leaving.) 11.59.54 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@cez63-2-88-164-98-172.fbx.proxad.net) 11.59.54 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 11.59.54 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 12.08.45 Quit pamaury (Read error: No route to host) 12.09.13 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@cez63-2-88-164-98-172.fbx.proxad.net) 12.09.13 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 12.09.13 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 12.14.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.33.40 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 12.33.45 Join Topy44|2 [0] (kvirc@f048000001.adsl.alicedsl.de) 12.36.55 Quit Topy44 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 12.48.48 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@cez63-2-88-164-98-172.fbx.proxad.net) 12.48.49 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 12.48.49 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 13.07.38 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@213.37.219.103.dyn.user.ono.com) 13.29.09 Join whiskers75 [0] (~whiskers7@unaffiliated/whiskers75) 13.29.32 Join mortalis [0] (~mortalis@195.34.194.126.kalibroao.ru) 13.29.47 # I am glad for tools/rockboxdev - trying to get Rockbox on Travis would be a pain otherwise :) 13.31.52 Quit whiskers75 (Client Quit) 14.10.51 Quit amayer (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 14.14.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.17.49 Quit sentriz (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 14.26.48 Join amayer_ [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 14.47.06 Quit prof_wolfff (Read error: Operation timed out) 15.21.55 # Is an error like this usable? 15.21.56 # I got the error after ejecting my ipod classic from an ubuntu machine and unplugging it. 15.22.00 # Prefetch abort at 4114B00A 15.22.02 # FSR 0xF7 15.22.04 # (domain 15, fault 7) 15.30.43 Quit mortalis (Quit: Leaving) 15.39.49 # I'm not familiar with what's been done with the database the last few years. Reading http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,42500.msg216221/ made me think: Does the database still barf on illegal metadata? 16.14.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.28.42 Quit Slasheri (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 16.28.54 # soap: some of it, almost certainly 16.28.57 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 16.29.15 # The main innovation is the logging feature so you can figure out which file went wrong 16.36.25 Join Slasheri [0] (miipekk@xen.ihme.org) 16.36.25 Quit Slasheri (Changing host) 16.36.25 Join Slasheri [0] (miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) 16.37.52 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 16.43.20 Join SuperBrainAK [0] (~Andy@ip72-223-111-21.ph.ph.cox.net) 16.49.48 Quit SuperBrainAK (Quit: pbly going to sleep /_\) 16.50.08 Join SuperBrainAK [0] (~Andy@ip72-223-111-21.ph.ph.cox.net) 16.50.32 Join whiskers75 [0] (~whiskers7@unaffiliated/whiskers75) 16.51.30 # Trying to compile Rockbox - is there any APT package for arm-elf-eabi-gcc? Running rockboxdev.sh results in 'cannot compute suffix of object files' 16.54.07 # I don't think anyone has made any 16.55.27 # Riiiight. (Reading the docs says I should install binutils first. [makes changes in .travis.yml]) 16.56.19 # rockboxdev.sh should do everything for you, really 16.56.53 # gevaerts: The issue is, on Travis they have a stupid timeout - so I need to split rbdev.sh into 2 parts 16.57.56 # What's travis? 16.58.17 # http://travis-ci.org/ 16.58.26 # an automated build thingy 16.59.07 # So far, none of my Rockbox builds have worked. https://travis-ci.org/whiskers75/rockbox 17.02.27 # You could build locally and upload the binaries, I guess 17.03.00 # gevaerts: Yes, that's why I want an APT package. 17.03.07 # * whiskers75 tries building locally *again* 17.03.45 # Feel free to provide the necessary build scripts. If they work well, we'll be happy to add them to the tree :) 17.04.09 # All on my little repo - github.com/whiskers75/rockbox 17.04.46 # I mean for deba 17.04.48 # *debs 17.05.11 # debs? 17.05.17 # deb packages 17.06.05 # OK 17.06.27 # i'll probably just do binaries 17.06.33 # I'm not sure if we're interested in splitting up things to work around limitations elsewhere 17.07.02 # gevaerts: I don't think so either 17.07.41 # http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/375/ - 'Plug USB cable' makes no sense :) 17.08.33 # Maybe, but to be honest, IMO neither does "Plugin USB cable" :) 17.08.58 # gevaerts: "Plug in USB cable"? :) 17.09.08 # That might work 17.10.43 # before_install: 'sudo ../tools/rockboxdevbinutils.sh > /dev/null' returned false. - Did I forget to chmod again? Yes! 17.12.49 # Orde 17.12.55 # oops 17.13.21 # BTW, ordered a new sansa clip+ just for rockbox! 17.14.58 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.15.12 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 17.15.13 Part whiskers75 ("Hopefully Travis will work, thanks for your help") 17.17.59 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (~briehl@p579CCD08.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.18.04 Join Cultist [0] (~Cultist@62.150.121.250) 17.20.04 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.20.17 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 17.20.46 Quit TheSphinX_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 17.24.26 Quit shamus (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 17.25.54 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@213.37.219.103.dyn.user.ono.com) 17.27.19 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 17.31.24 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@2001:610:76a:0:9826:a9f6:939a:9a55) 17.31.24 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 17.31.24 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 17.34.48 Join japc [0] (~japc@194.65.5.235) 17.38.50 Join nateloaf [0] (~nwild@S0106bcaec5c3e90e.wp.shawcable.net) 17.52.41 Join eckoit [0] (~ryan@50.65.10.24) 18.14.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.18.11 Join megal0maniac [0] (~quassel@unaffiliated/megal0maniac) 18.29.07 Join pretty_function [0] (~sigBART@123.252.214.11) 18.31.59 Part eckoit 18.36.33 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.36.52 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 18.38.25 Quit megal0maniac (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 18.45.15 Join whiskers75 [0] (~whiskers7@unaffiliated/whiskers75) 18.45.42 # FINALLY got through compilation of gcc. Now making Rockbox - https://travis-ci.org/whiskers75/rockbox/builds/3843354 18.45.49 # * whiskers75 is watching with anxiety 18.46.09 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/user/saint) 18.47.01 # IT WORKED 18.50.52 Part whiskers75 ("It works, it works! la la la..") 18.59.20 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 19.18.53 Quit amayer_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 19.25.27 Quit japc (Quit: Ex-Chat) 19.28.05 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.28.24 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 19.30.43 Join amayer_ [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 20.01.43 Quit the-kyle (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 20.09.18 # is there any support for headphones that have built in volume buttons? 20.09.20 # on the plug they have 3 contact rings instead of 2 20.09.22 # i tried googling this but it just kept giving me "pause on headphone unplug" 20.10.44 Join eckoit [0] (~ryan@50.65.10.24) 20.11.41 # example in case my definition wasnt good: 20.11.43 # http://www.case-parts.com/uploads/details/EAR-236B-1.jpg 20.12.58 # well it depends if the hardware supports those 20.13.15 Join the-kyle [0] (~kyle@cpe-024-211-185-030.nc.res.rr.com) 20.14.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.15.25 # <[Saint]> Indeed, you can't just swap out headphones with inline control and expect it to work if the hardware just has a standard 3.5mm stereo jack 20.15.54 # <[Saint]> My iPod phones with inline volume work, ...in my iPods. 20.16.47 # i never had 4pin headphones to play with so i wouldnt know 20.17.52 # <[Saint]> I have both types, the single 3.5mm jack, and the older style with the 3.5mm jack and the remote port. 20.19.47 # [Saint]: i have an ipod classic. i know the hardware is there because ive used those phones with the OF 20.19.50 # but i tried it with rockbox and it didnt work 20.20.15 # is there a standard for vol up and vol down? 20.20.17 # the brand i tried was samsung not apple 20.20.58 # <[Saint]> ....mine work. 20.21.07 # <[Saint]> (Apple) 20.21.48 # <[Saint]> It wouldn't surprise me if the Samsung phones had an entirely different pinout 20.21.57 # <[Saint]> I've no idea. 20.25.15 # not pinout but resistance for the signals 20.25.36 # like having multiple buttons on one wire 20.26.54 # [Saint]: do you know where the code for this control would be? 20.27.02 # <[Saint]> IAP 20.27.50 # <[Saint]> ...which is proprietary, and not very well known at all. Dock and accessory control is fairly poorly implemented because it is all guesswork. 20.30.04 # [Saint]: cant you just get a USB analizer and log all the data that goes back and forth between ipod and device? 20.30.06 # or does apple use some kind of encryption? 20.30.50 # <[Saint]> I really have no idea, it isn't an area I care particularly much about to be honest. I know that's not an ideal response. 20.31.11 # thats fine. im just curious 20.31.17 # <[Saint]> All I really know is "It's complicated". 20.31.25 # * SuperBrainAK would love to learn about that 20.31.29 # are you sure the headphone code is in IAP? 20.31.36 # amayer_: not all IAP is USB 20.31.52 # <[Saint]> indeed. 20.32.01 Part eckoit 20.32.08 # i know there is a serial mode for some accessories 20.32.38 # <[Saint]> IAP can handle a bunch of stuff, it would be *awesome* to RE it. 20.33.13 # <[Saint]> I really like how some (Apple blessed) head units can pass a logo to the devices screen, or album art, or use it as a secondary display. 20.33.17 # <[Saint]> it's all very cool. 20.33.40 # [Saint]: i know for someone new to rockbox that it will probably be hard. but it is one of my long term goals to get IAP working 20.33.53 # what does iap stand for? 20.34.04 # There's a bunch of patches on gerrit waiting for someone to review them 20.34.08 # <[Saint]> iPod Accessory Protocol 20.34.09 # Interactive Apple Protocal? 20.34.20 # oh lol :D 20.34.47 # <[Saint]> gevaerts: aren't they waiting for a (fairly large?) overhaul? 20.34.59 # <[Saint]> I seem to recall there being some disagreements with implementation. 20.35.37 # [Saint]: There's some unhappiness about the patch order, but at devcon we agreed not to block them on that 20.35.44 # [Saint]: i cant find the headphone code in here IAP.c 20.35.46 # it looks like alot of serial goop 20.35.58 # http://web.student.tuwien.ac.at/~e0026607/ipod_remote/ipod_ap.html 20.36.06 # thats what i found 20.38.29 # ive found some documentation too. 20.38.31 # I didnt take a whole lot of time looking at it but it seemed like the person had a lot of time fooling with it. 20.38.54 # <[Saint]> amayer_: ...I really don't know sorry. 20.39.17 # <[Saint]> I know my mini and my various 4Gs all play nice, but I haven't tried my Classic out. 20.39.17 Quit pretty_function (Remote host closed the connection) 20.39.50 # ill have to fool with it after work 20.39.52 # <[Saint]> they have the double "headphone/remote port" plug. 20.40.18 # are ipods the only devices we support that use this? 20.40.28 # <[Saint]> IAP? Yes :) 20.40.41 # i was talking about the headphones 20.40.42 # <[Saint]> the I is the relevant part. 20.40.45 # Did anyone actually spend time on getting iap to work on the classic? 20.41.04 # IAP doesnt work on the 6G 20.41.14 # <[Saint]> gevaerts: I'm not sure if it is implemented at all. Ms [Saint] uses it. 20.41.59 # <[Saint]> amayer_: no, A few other targets have remotes and/or inline controls. 20.42.04 Join thomasjfox [0] (~thomasjfo@rockbox/developer/thomasjfox) 20.42.10 # <[Saint]> I can't list them all off the top of my head. 20.42.24 # i was just wondering if this was just an apple thing 20.42.58 # <[Saint]> AT least one target has no form of display *unless* it has the remote, iirc. 20.43.09 # are you shure those samsung buds are fully IAP compatable? 20.43.27 Join solarcloud_3scrn [0] (~solarclou@178.16.15.26) 20.43.37 # SuperBrainAK: thats what i was asking 20.43.41 # <[Saint]> SuperBrainAK: it wouldn't surprise me if those two didn't play nice together. 20.44.09 # are the buds made for the ipod or for a samsung product? 20.44.19 # samsumg phone 20.44.46 # <[Saint]> Does Samsung make any Apple-specific accessories? 20.44.52 # i wasnt sure if there was a standard or if everyone did their own thing 20.45.04 # i would say it is going to be using SAP :) 20.46.17 Join whiskers75 [0] (~whiskers7@unaffiliated/whiskers75) 20.46.30 Quit y4n (Quit: PANTS OFF!) 20.47.34 # <[Saint]> amayer_: have you seen the older style iPod headphone accessory port? - http://guide-images.ifixit.net/igi/vNNW5HEbOIm6FvDI.medium 20.47.56 # <[Saint]> the accessory port is a 4-wire plug next to the 3.5mm out 20.48.11 # I remember those 20.48.35 # <[Saint]> I've no idea how it is handled in the newer iPods 20.50.22 # When building GCC, I get the suffix error. 20.51.08 # <[Saint]> whiskers75: explain exactly what you're doing, and pastebin the output of the error. 20.51.20 # <[Saint]> that's a little too vague. 20.54.15 # [Saint]: what do you mean how its handled in the newer iPods? they dont have those plugs 20.54.35 # is that the plug you thought i was talking about? 20.55.14 # <[Saint]> No. I mean, I'm not sure how they're handling the inline control, as in, which ring is what, etc. 20.55.26 # <[Saint]> As obviously they merged these two ports at some point. 20.55.46 Quit whiskers75 (Quit: leaving) 20.56.46 # the rings are from tip to cord, leftaudio, rightaudio, data/mic, return 20.57.22 # that way it is still compatible with regular headphones 20.57.23 # SuperBrainAK: there are only 3 rings 20.57.51 # unless the tip is a ground and thats what your talking about 20.58.00 # * [Saint] nods 20.58.27 # no the tip of a headphone jack is left 20.58.43 # and the last ring is return 21.00.04 # i dont understand where you guys are getting that from :/ 21.00.41 # <[Saint]> getting what, sorry? 21.01.27 # <[Saint]> I nodded at an inopportune time. The info I'm digging up points to you having it dead right, I didn't notice amayer_ commented in between. 21.02.21 # actually im sorta wrong switch the mic/data with ground 21.02.28 Join brkfstsqd [0] (~quassel@cpe-76-174-92-90.socal.res.rr.com) 21.03.00 # http://appleinsider.com/articles/07/12/20/using_ipodiphone_video_out_background_and_in_depth_review/page/2 21.03.03 # SuperBrainAK: Im not looking it up anywhere. I took some old headphones apart before and i guess i misunderstood what i was looking at 21.03.10 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@p54946D13.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.03.14 Quit Horscht (Changing host) 21.03.15 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 21.03.18 # (this was a couple of months ago) 21.03.52 # <[Saint]> Hum, the internet lied to me...I turned up the same pinout you did originally. 21.04.00 # those were 3 ring they didnt have the extra ring for data 21.04.16 # <[Saint]> Lies on the interweb...well, I'll never. 21.04.35 # i guess you cant ever know untill you do it yourself 21.05.13 Quit |akaWolf| (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.05.22 # i never physically tested the ipod cable but i do know the audio for fact 21.05.33 Join akaWolf [0] (~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf) 21.05.43 Quit [7] (Disconnected by services) 21.05.52 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 21.05.55 # you can easily test with the video cable and a continuity tester 21.06.12 Quit akaWolf (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.06.34 Join akaWolf [0] (~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf) 21.11.24 Quit akaWolf (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 21.22.21 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.22.34 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 21.43.32 Join dfkt|n [0] (~dfkt@85.Red-213-97-154.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 21.43.32 Quit dfkt|n (Changing host) 21.43.32 Join dfkt|n [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 22.14.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.22.50 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.23.23 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 22.28.51 Join eckoit [0] (~ryan@50.65.10.24) 22.29.02 Quit Provel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.31.11 Join Provel [0] (~Provel@75-132-18-44.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 22.32.17 Join TheSphinX_ [0] (~briehl@p5B322DB8.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.32.38 Quit TheSphinX^ (Read error: Operation timed out) 22.37.01 Quit melmothX (Quit: and happy new year...) 22.39.10 Quit bertrik (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.44.17 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (~briehl@p5B321873.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.47.14 Quit TheSphinX_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 22.51.19 # is ogg album art supported? 22.51.24 # (embedded) 22.51.41 Part eckoit 22.54.39 # from what i read here: 22.54.41 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt 22.54.43 # it is but it doesnt show up on my player(and i use EasyTAG... mentioned in the documentation) 22.55.45 # http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-iriverh300/rockbox-buildap2.html#x18-369000B.2.1 22.56.13 # * gevaerts doesn't see how http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt says that embedded ogg vorbis album art is supported 22.56.54 Quit dfkt|n () 22.59.08 # gevaerts: i wasnt saying because the application that i use is mentioned means its supported. 22.59.23 Join N3TN0 [0] (~44e0ca7e@www.haxx.se) 23.00.04 # I was just letting you know that i use EasyTAG. because my next logical question if someone asked about embeded album art would be "what are you embedding it with" 23.00.25 # helllo 23.00.26 # Anyway, it's not, IIRC because large tags are tricky to handle for ogg vorbis 23.01.18 # ...well thats no good 23.01.26 # gevaerts: thank you 23.02.42 # have read tht recording is possible on ipod nano 2nd gen but without gain adn other feats 23.02.50 # is there anyway i can get this 23.02.56 # not in dev build 23.04.11 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodStatus 23.04.16 # hello? 23.05.12 # am new to irc if this is showing up plze respond 23.05.18 # not sure if im doing this right 23.05.19 # N3TN0: as far as I can see recording is disabled on nano2g builds. 23.05.20 # ... 23.05.40 # is there anyway to enable it thorugh a dev build 23.05.40 # I don't know if this is because recording requires homemade hardware or because it just doesn't work 23.06.35 # the page says that it is in progress and that basic funcioning is availiable but certian features are unavialiable 23.06.51 # "Basic recording functionality (line-in and mic on the 4g and Color/Photo, line-in only on the 5g) is working and is in CVS but is missing important features such as gain control and selection of different samplerates. The current code also breaks playback after a recording is made. " 23.07.58 Quit Scromple (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.08.12 Join Scromple [0] (~Simon@119.225.209.134) 23.10.09 # OK, more research seems to show that recording for the nano2g is not implemented at all yet, so no, there's no easy way to get it to work 23.10.38 # <[Saint]> amayer_: if have a script that strips embedded album art out of tracks and replaces it with a 'cover.jpg' file. 23.10.47 # <[Saint]> ...if you want, I could dig it up for you. 23.11.23 # gevaerts: ok, thnks anyway 23.12.16 # [Saint]: I can do that with EasyTag... Its not a huge issue. I just wanted to make sure it wasnt a bug that the album artwork isnt showing up 23.13.30 # <[Saint]> I shoulod clarify, the script takes four values, well three really with an optional tag for one: source_dir; source_dir_recurseive; destination_dir; and fill_amount 23.13.49 Join Trife89 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 23.14.00 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.14.23 # <[Saint]> Basically, you tell it which directory on the host to copy from, whether or not to go into subdirectories, the destination of the files to be copied, and the amount (in MB) of files to copy. 23.14.59 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 23.18.57 Quit amayer_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.19.37 Quit N3TN0 (Quit: CGI:IRC) 23.20.01 Join N3TN0 [0] (~44e0ca7e@www.haxx.se) 23.20.41 Quit N3TN0 (Client Quit) 23.21.08 Nick Trife89 is now known as Strife89 (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 23.21.38 Quit pamaury (Read error: Operation timed out) 23.21.53 Quit thomasjfox (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 23.23.36 Join Strife1989 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.201.128) 23.26.26 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 23.28.28 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 23.30.33 Join Wardo [0] (~Mirandaha@bpb01-1-88-162-4-186.fbx.proxad.net) 23.33.15 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.34.11 Quit Horscht (Quit: Verlassend) 23.50.27 Join ItsMeAgain [0] (~462dadf9@www.haxx.se) 23.51.16 # So So my iPod Classic 6th generation, as warned, now refuses to mount. I cleared the settings, and looked around a bit on the net to no resource. Any possible solutions?