--- Log for 18.01.113 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: Guest87001 Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 day and 4 hours ago 00.09.02 Quit zoktar (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.13.56 Quit ender` (Quit: If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.) 00.18.32 Join zoktar [0] (~zoktar@unaffiliated/zoktar) 00.20.21 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 00.20.58 Join Gareth [0] (~gareth@2607:ff38:2:83::3) 00.27.08 Quit einhirn_ (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 00.28.48 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.35.41 # can i and if so how do i install the gameboy emulator on my clip zip? :p 00.35.55 # scorche`: ping 00.37.15 # Gareth: hi - long time no see =) 00.37.28 # scorche|sh: indeed :) 00.37.50 # scorche|sh: how are things? 00.38.19 # Gareth: as an FYI, this channel is for all things pertaining to rockbox - social calls go into #rockbox-community ;) 00.38.52 # blight, the emulator is already included, you just need to start ROMs via the file browser 00.38.57 # (although i imagine the point of this conversaion is pertaining to rockbox - just the small-talk isnt) 00.39.19 # scorche|sh: well thats good. because I'm here on business. 00.39.21 # :) 00.39.24 # blight, not that you'll see much on the 96x96 screen 00.40.03 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 00.40.22 # Gareth: i doubt we will be able to pull people together to form a booth for scale if that is what you are asking =) 00.41.26 # scorche|sh: I suppose I am that predictable :) no worries. we had space so I thought I would extend the offer. 00.41.37 # i honestly havent been involved much lately with rockbox (besides administrating servers, and chatting in -community and such), so i wouldnt really feel comfortable doing it myself 00.41.51 # dfkt: ahh right ;) 00.41.53 # damn :p 00.41.56 # [Saint]: file a bug and prod me next week... bday sunday so i wont get any time to look at it till monday prob 00.43.07 # blight, i made a video of running doom on the zip... it should be enough for a quick laugh, so you don't have to install the stuff yourself ;) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZzaUMp1_z8 00.44.03 # dfkt: i already played doom 00.45.27 # it's an even bigger laugh on the Clip+, you can hardly tell what's going on :) 00.45.58 # :D 01.01.43 Quit Belzebub (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 01.12.57 Quit dfkt (Quit: -= SysReset 2.55=- Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.) 01.17.31 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.17.47 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 01.20.43 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01.21.18 Quit bluebrother^ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01.22.06 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g224236084.adsl.alicedsl.de) 01.23.24 Join scorche [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 01.24.54 Quit scorche` (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 01.26.17 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 01.32.07 Join scrts [0] (~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts) 01.33.12 Quit scrts_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 01.34.56 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@50.4.240.19) 01.34.56 Quit jhMikeS (Changing host) 01.34.56 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 01.35.51 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 19.0/20130109111322]) 01.37.16 Join dokan [0] (~minatani@ac250006.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 01.43.43 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (~briehl@p5B323437.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.47.46 Quit TheSphinX_ (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 01.52.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.55.07 Quit XavierGr (Disconnected by services) 01.55.09 Join XavierGr [0] (XavierGr@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 02.15.14 Join SuperBrainAK [0] (~Andy@71-36-165-101.phnx.qwest.net) 02.18.47 Join TheSphinX_ [0] (~briehl@p5B3222D2.dip.t-dialin.net) 02.19.14 Quit mt_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.22.22 Quit TheSphinX^ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 03.08.15 Quit blight (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 03.10.44 Join will [0] (~chatzilla@adsl-99-120-24-40.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) 03.11.07 Nick will is now known as Guest95633 (~chatzilla@adsl-99-120-24-40.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) 03.16.04 # hey is there something wrong about mp4 for the ipod nano 2nd gen? it plays the song but it doesnt show the video :/ 03.21.25 # i looked in the manual and it says it is supported as apple lossless codec but not as a video codec 03.24.45 Nick Guest95633 is now known as Capacitor (~chatzilla@adsl-99-120-24-40.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) 03.26.08 # Hey guys. amsV2 USB question here... Is it still buggy? 03.34.32 # SuperBrainAK, I use WinFF to convert some videos. It has a Rockbox preset for all the major players 03.34.42 # SuperBrainAK, mpeg not mp4 03.34.47 Quit Capacitor (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0/20130104151925]) 03.35.11 Join Capacitor [0] (~chatzilla@adsl-99-120-24-40.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) 03.35.38 # ok they are just album art anyway but they are still cool :) 03.35.40 Nick Capacitor is now known as Capacitors (~chatzilla@adsl-99-120-24-40.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) 03.35.44 Nick Capacitors is now known as Capacitor (~chatzilla@adsl-99-120-24-40.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) 03.52.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.54.05 Join Raptors [0] (~whoneedsa@216-58-33-195.cpe.distributel.net) 03.59.54 Quit Capacitor (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0/20130104151925]) 04.03.06 Quit enriched (Remote host closed the connection) 04.11.17 Quit saratoga (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 04.16.29 Quit TheSphinX_ (Read error: Operation timed out) 04.23.03 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (~briehl@p579CCEAE.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.25.36 Join krabador [0] 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(~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 13.19.37 Quit lebellium (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 13.19.49 Nick lebellium_ is now known as lebellium (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 13.21.38 Quit Galois (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13.26.10 Quit Katu (Remote host closed the connection) 13.29.39 Join Katu [0] (~sabayonus@c-71-236-211-59.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 13.34.34 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 13.40.40 Quit Rower (Read error: No route to host) 13.40.54 Join Rower [0] (husvagn@v-413-alfarv-177.bitnet.nu) 13.41.02 # if anyone is willing to port Rockbox to a Samsung player, you can have a look at that thread, I'm trying to gather all services manuals for Samsung players. There are useful and interesting information for developers :) http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71554 13.47.21 Quit Katu (Remote host closed the connection) 13.52.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.00.05 Join pamaury [0] (~c2d2fdde@www.haxx.se) 14.00.23 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 14.00.23 Join pamaury [0] (~c2d2fdde@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 14.01.11 # lebellium: thanks for link about samsung players 14.02.15 # I have a few of them and might do a port if I have time, one day 14.03.21 # pamaury: for example the U5 has a STMP3770, I guess you already ported that for Creative players :) 14.04.03 # not yet, I have the Zen Style M300 running a STMP3770 so yeah the port might be easy 14.04.18 # I have a YP-T10, S3, Q1 and Q2 14.04.25 # the Q2 is a STMP3760 iirc 14.04.48 # the others arc TCC based 14.04.52 # 3750 I guess for the Q2 14.05.06 # anyway, that's stmp37xx for me :D 14.05.34 # T10 and Q1: TCC7801. S3: Samsung S5L8700 14.05.55 # yeah, I already made some research on them, we already have ports for them 14.06.33 # there is the Z5 of course 14.06.55 # I see you really love touchpads players lol. That's what I have been fighting for years. I harassed the Samsung Korea R&D until they released tactile players and I finally won my fight :) 14.07.11 # I have the yp-p2 also 14.07.30 # tcc7801 based 14.07.46 # unfortunately the P2 port is down while it was very close to Cowon D2 14.08.06 # yes, but I could revive it 14.08.20 # bertrik begun a port to some samsung players, don't remember which one 14.08.40 # he began S3 but he told me he doesn't want to port it further, no interest anymore 14.09.36 # sadly they use NAND and FTL 14.11.18 # I don't really know what it is and what's wrong with that, I'm not a dev :) 14.18.09 # well many vendors take a well-known FTL and modify it a bit, making it painful to reverse engineer 14.20.31 # okay but I guess the Q1 and Q2 are linux-based so no need for reverse engineering with RaaA? :) 14.22.25 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 14.24.15 # for Q2 it's not clear since we have a complete imx233 port and Q2 is stmp37xx so very close. I prefer a complete port rather than RaaA honestly 14.24.50 # In general I would say that if we already have a port for the soc, it's better to do a real port 14.25.20 # sure! I was saying that in cas reverse engineering is impossible or too difficult 14.29.41 # of course, a linux is always possible then. For example I would like to do a linux port for the Sony NWZ players 14.30.04 # for the A810 with tactile keys? Would be awesome :p 14.31.57 # if my intuition is correct, I think all or nearly all NWZ players are based on the kernel and support the same set of SCSI/custom command. That makes it possible to get the encryption for all devices that we physically get our hand on. That would be awesome indeed 14.32.04 # *same kernel 14.32.29 Join amayer_ [0] (~amayer@173.189.251.62) 14.42.51 # the yp-u4 is stmp3650 based, like the z5 14.43.03 # indeed 14.43.11 # and strangly it completely sucks 14.43.14 # the UI is slow as hell 14.43.19 # I don't understand what they did 14.43.37 # the U3 and U5 are much faster 14.45.21 # I guess Samsung just failed on firmware development 14.45.30 # the Z5 with the same CPU works better 14.46.24 # the Z5 has additional ram iirc 14.47.14 # I ran into this problem on the Zen Style M300: it's a stmp3770 but without additional RAM, so only half a megabyte of RAM! It's slow as hell too 14.48.07 # u1 i stmp3550, we've got the whole famility there 14.50.19 # lorenzo told me rockbox port on STMP35xx is not possible if I understood right 14.52.26 Quit bebna (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 14.53.00 Join sabayonuser [0] (~sabayonus@c-71-236-211-59.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 14.53.04 # "not possible" is a challenge disguised as a taunt :-) 14.53.07 Nick sabayonuser is now known as Katu (~sabayonus@c-71-236-211-59.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 14.53.18 # well, it would be really really really hard 14.54.42 # would it, really? 512 KB is not that small, if you skip the ram buffering 14.54.54 # and that's 512 KB sram, not dram. 14.55.21 # so the slow cpu is not hampered as much by the ram as faster ones 14.56.49 # last time I tried, it appeared that the entire binary barely fits in 512KB 14.57.39 # there are two problems there: 3550 => hard because 24-bit dsp, weird 14.57.47 # 3770 => hard because 512KB of RAM but doable 14.58.14 # yeah plenty of our builds are >512 KB. it would require some prioritizing, I suppose 14.59.05 Join nateloaf [0] (~nwild@S0106bcaec5c3e90e.wp.shawcable.net) 14.59.11 # I guess some memory swapping is doable too if really it doesn't fit 15.00.33 # maybe we would have to disable things like the database, dircache too 15.02.43 # sorry for the noob question. But why rockbox works on early 2000's archos but wouldn't on much more recent STMP35xx? 15.04.01 # lebellium: the archos has hardware mp3 decoding, so doesn't need as much cpu or code 15.04.46 # stmp3xxx soc are very complicated, you need to write a lot of code, also you have to decode codecs in software 15.05.15 # and we have more features on recent socs I think 15.05.43 # okay thx 15.05.54 # pamaury: yes, most features concerning audio shaping are unsupported on the archos players 15.06.08 # what's the weakest supported SOC with software decoding? 15.07.05 # I don't know what was the most critical resource in the past: cpu speed or memory ? 15.08.21 # I don't think we have really had to squeeze in either department. it's just a matter of adjusting buffer sizes. and most targets have some codec/bitrate combinations they can't run realtime. 15.09.36 # sure, with a 300MHz cpu, even with a small memory you can decode mp3 very easily and do swapping on top of that. That's what the OF does on the Zen Style M300 since it doesn't fit in those 512KB 15.10.16 # they added swapping in software instead of 2MB dram on the board? 15.10.24 # yeah... 15.10.28 # wow 15.10.39 # the SDK must have come with this feature already 15.10.57 # but I can tell you that the result is not great, sometimes you really feel that it is slow 15.11.11 # yeah it sounds like a really crappy solution. 15.11.26 # on the other hand, the palyer is damn small and has bluetooth support 15.11.37 # I don't know where they could have fit a dram on the board :D 15.13.12 Quit petur (Quit: *plop*) 15.17.19 Join Galois [0] (djao@efnet-math.org) 15.20.19 Quit Katu (Remote host closed the connection) 15.20.48 Join Katu [0] (~sabayonus@c-71-236-211-59.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 15.27.38 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@89-76-32-53.dynamic.chello.pl) 15.29.07 # Any idea how to resolve conflicts between host stdio.h and compat layer in rockbox for sims? Writing code was easy but I can't figure out how to not generate conflicts 15.29.53 # and of top of this we have firmware/libc/include/stdio.h 15.29.56 # :/ 15.34.19 Quit mortalis (Quit: Leaving) 15.37.23 Part amayer_ 15.39.10 # wodz: ask kugel, I think he dealt with such issues in the past 15.44.21 Join amayer_ [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 15.45.02 # it's painful that MEMORYSIZE is the size in MB ! How do I specify 512KB correctly ?!* 15.46.54 # .5? lol 15.48.12 Quit Katu (Remote host closed the connection) 15.48.41 Join sabayonuser [0] (~sabayonus@c-71-236-211-59.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 15.48.53 Nick sabayonuser is now known as Katu (~sabayonus@c-71-236-211-59.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 15.49.25 Join TheSphinX_ [0] (~briehl@p5B321CAB.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.51.44 # rewrite it to take in b 15.52.35 Quit TheSphinX^ (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 15.52.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.53.20 # wodz: KB seems sufficient 15.53.46 # or KiB more likely 15.57.40 # with many features disabled I'm reaching 573796 bytes for the main binary, not good enough 15.57.54 # I don't know if I can disable more things 15.58.53 Quit __jae__ (*.net *.split) 15.59.01 Join __jae__ [0] (~jae@dedicated.jaerhard.com) 16.01.55 Part LinusN 16.05.16 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@pD9E41B76.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.05.26 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16.05.32 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 16.08.11 # pamaury: build as thumb 16.08.59 # hum, good point, how can I do that, is there a define for this on our code ? 16.11.03 # there is a switch to configure 16.14.28 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (~briehl@p579CC7D4.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.15.51 # pamaury: thumb builds are ~350kB IIRC 16.16.22 Quit TheSphinX_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 16.16.43 Quit TheSphinX^ (Read error: Operation timed out) 16.17.46 # pamaury: what is a thumb build? 16.18.28 # amayer_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Thumb 16.19.07 # wodz: where is that switch ? that would avoid me reading the entire configure :) 16.19.44 # funman: thanks 16.20.00 # pamaury: ./configure --help? 16.21.45 # --thumb Build with -mthumb (for ARM builds) 16.22.55 # ok, I uploaded first draft for comments g#383 16.22.58 # Gerrit review #383 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/383 : stdio compat layer for plugins by Marcin Bukat (changes/83/383/1) 16.22.59 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (~briehl@p5B32334A.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.28.18 # funman: thanks, I didn't even know that configure could take switches :-/ 16.32.18 # with thumb, binary is 457856 bytes 16.34.58 # hmm 16.35.23 # I set MEMORYSIZE to 1 but it's not clear if it will fit in 512 KiB 16.35.56 Part moben ("WeeChat 0.3.9.1") 16.37.14 # One of the biggest part of binary is probably frame buffer. You could decrease bitdepth. 16.37.37 # I doubt it, it's in bss, so not counted in the binary size 16.37.45 # I'm not even counting the actual memory usage here 16.39.36 # memory usage is actually much higher, around 750 KiB 16.39.46 # *715 16.39.58 # without audiobuf 16.40.05 # size --format=SysV rockbox.elf should tell 16.40.48 # the two biggest chunks are code and rodata 16.41.02 # err, bss 16.41.06 # and then rodata 16.41.24 # yeah 16.41.48 # but still code+rodata is 440 KiB already 16.42.12 # so my idea about shrinking frame buffer still holds :-) 16.42.17 # that means, only ~75 KiB for bss+audiobuf+codecbuf+pluginbuf 16.44.08 # the biggest users of bss are unicode.c, language.c, fat.c, scroll_engine.c, dir_uncached.c, ... 16.45.20 # and they account for more than the frame buffer ! 16.50.44 # I really don't know how this is possible without swapping 16.52.47 # Hm.. this is strange. My Linux box doesn't seem to want to transfer files to the rockboxed iPod. 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 18.13.36 Quit Guest9803 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.23.14 # amiconn: ping 18.26.38 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (~briehl@p579CC39D.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.29.21 # @all: I would welcome comments on http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/384/. UI changes are always a bit controversial 18.29.43 Quit TheSphinX_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18.30.37 # kugel: I like the sound of it, do you have a screenshot? 18.31.44 # that sounds very nice indeed - i assume it's just an 1px width line? 18.35.16 # http://imagebin.org/243312 18.35.29 # it's been on FS since more than a year :p 18.36.41 # What resolution is that screen? 18.37.03 # I realise I could get it from the image :) 18.37.08 # * AlexP is being hugely lazy 18.37.23 # 320x480 18.37.37 # 1 px line (bar the first one)? 18.38.04 # below the titel there is a 2px line (3px on high density screens). the others are 1px 18.38.14 # Cool 18.38.30 # Anyway, I like it and as it is configurable I can't see how anyone could complain 18.38.54 # you might think :) 18.39.39 # yeah 18.39.57 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 18.40.06 # the line below the status bar i added in the backdrop for all my themes already... is it optional in that patch, or mandatory? 18.40.36 # it's all or nothing 18.40.53 # kugel: What's the status of the optional android status bar? 18.41.05 # you can remove it from the backdrop 18.41.36 # well, i use gradients or dotted lines, not solid ones... 18.46.54 Quit GodEater (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18.49.12 # kugel: I have a really weird problem with Rockbox on Android - it was working but it's just started in a list I touch anywhere on screen and the top menu item "flashes" (as if touched), but nothing happens (even if I click on the first menu item.) 18.49.22 # Is there anything I can do to try and see what is going on? 18.53.47 # I tried clearing data etc. to no avail, but on deleting config.cfg it is working again - I'll see if I can provoke it again 18.56.38 # * AlexP slaps kugel with a u 19.01.15 Join GodEater [0] (~bibble@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 19.03.27 # dfkt: problem with having it on hte backdrop is that it doesnt work on lists that have no title 19.03.46 Join cpt_ramius [0] (~55d81016@www.haxx.se) 19.04.10 # good evening rockbox mates! 19.04.39 # AlexP: not a lot has changed, it's working nicely (for me) 19.04.48 # I've been trying to install the bootloader on my ipod 5.5 80gig, but the utility crashes everytime 19.04.55 # I'll update my git repo rebased to master in a minute 19.05.05 # kugel: I'll see if it happens again, and try to reproduce 19.05.28 # cpt_ramius: Are you sure it's a 5.5? 19.05.40 # yes... 19.05.50 # lots of people get that wrong 19.05.54 # Anyway, more info 19.05.56 # OS? 19.05.59 # but i can install every other option in the utility! 19.06.01 # Version? 19.06.04 # WInxp 19.06.10 # 32 bit? 19.06.12 # yes 19.06.22 # AlexP: that was re: "kugel: What's the status of the optional android status bar?" 19.06.22 # version? 19.06.27 # the ipod patcher crashed aswell 19.06.28 # kugel: Ah right 19.06.29 # I don't know about your bug 19.06.44 # kugel: Any plans to commit the status bar? 19.06.44 # Rockbox is very buggy in general these days 19.06.48 # yes 19.07.11 # cpt_ramius: version? 19.07.17 # of the ipod? 19.07.34 # cpt_ramius: what exactly happens? "crashes" is a bit vague 19.07.46 # cpt_ramius: Of Rockbox Utility 19.07.52 # 3.12 19.08.08 # no, that's Rockbox 19.08.28 # Latest version of RBUtil is 1.3.1 19.09.02 # the utility downloads the bootloader and when it says it installs my ipods hdd is clicking and i get a VB just in time debug popup... 19.09.11 # VB? 19.09.18 # visual basic 19.09.21 # Rbutil has nothing to do with VB 19.09.31 # What version of RBUtil? 19.09.52 # 1.3.1 19.10.05 # What is the exact error message 19.10.33 # thats the prob. the ipodpatcher says "error reading disk" 19.11.34 # * gevaerts bets it says more than that 19.11.42 # and the RButil just freezes and the vb just in time debugger pops up and ask me to debug. and when i click "no" rbutil disappears 19.12.04 # I have no idea what VB is doing, Rockbox Utility has never been anywhere near VB 19.12.20 # AlexP: certain visual studio components register themselves as the global system debug handler 19.12.26 # so *any* program that crashes they offer to debug 19.12.32 # Torne: Ah, that's nice of them 19.12.33 # it's not VB, but rather VC++ 19.12.35 Quit amayer_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 19.12.38 # which is probably installed at the same time :) 19.13.01 # it's nice of them if you are a developer who needs to debug a lot of programs ;) 19.13.15 # Written in them :) 19.13.21 Join sentriz [0] (~Senan@78.143.151.93) 19.13.45 # ipodpatcher after hiting i and enter "moving images to create room for new firmware" and then "Error reading from disk: " 19.14.16 # cpt_ramius: Can you still use this iPod with iTunes? And how exactly do you know it's a 5.5 one? 19.14.34 # AlexP: no, msdebug can debug any win32 binary, it doesn't matter what language. it's a general debugger 19.15.00 # but yeah, this just means the program crashed and this is what you see instead o hte normal crash dialog when you have a system dbeug handler 19.15.02 # the ipodpatcher says it has a 76gig hdd 19.15.20 # Torne: Ah, OK 19.16.24 # about itunes... the diagnostic tool could connect with the device but not syncronise 19.17.09 # currently deinstalling all the vc++ junk... 19.17.30 # cpt_ramius: See if you can use iTunes to restore the iPod to a known state - that seems like a good way to start the install of RB 19.17.35 # maybe the .net framework too 19.17.43 # aye! 19.17.44 # known good state* 19.17.53 # If itunes can't work with the ipod either, you very likely won't get rockbox to work on it either 19.18.17 # How do I install the sdl app in a custom location? 19.18.25 # meh... so i bought a brocken ipod... good to know 19.19.11 # you don't need to uninstall visual studio, it won't mkae any difference 19.19.19 # all it's doing is giving you that dialog instead of the "program crashed" dialog 19.19.29 # hmm... 19.19.33 # kk 19.19.59 # either way it still crashed 19.20.05 # can you see the ipod at all when it's plugged in via USB? 19.20.22 # one thing i have done sometimes in order to force itunes to restore an ipod that's in a bad state is to dd a bunch of zeros over the first 200MB of the disk or so 19.20.26 # to make it appear to be completely blank 19.20.52 # i see it in the explorer... 19.20.58 # i.e. kill th partition table and firmware partition entirely so that itunes is forced to make a new one 19.21.24 # it did reformat it yesterday 19.22.03 # itunes says the ipod is upttodate(version 1.3) and mangage music manually ist on 19.22.49 # Can you make iTunes reformat it now? 19.22.56 # should i try to "restore ipod"? 19.24.17 # ok it's restoring now... the lingo of itunes is horrible 19.31.06 # Where does the sdl app use as it's .rockbox directory? 19.33.48 # ok the ipod is restored and i can access it... where i go from here 19.39.06 Join amayer_ [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 19.39.37 # AlexP: I updated my git repo, the statusbar stuff is in the dynamic_lcd branch (also has a 720x1280 cabbie if you haven't seen it yet) 19.39.52 # I hadn't, thanks 19.40.04 # kugel: Any thoughts on committing the status bar stuff? 19.40.10 # it also includes an attempt to fix the sporadic high volume on start up 19.40.19 # ah, nice 19.40.36 # not the branch, but the repo* 19.40.43 # OK 19.41.00 # the list separator is also a separate branch 19.43.32 # AlexP: it's doesnt have the quality I'd like, but I have little to no time to make it better currently 19.43.54 # What's up with it? 19.44.50 # code is in parts very hacky and it has numerous glitches 19.45.08 # ah, OK. I was going to say, it looked alright to me :) 19.46.47 # i have no problem with people using my branch but it's not in shape enough for aster (IMO) 19.46.49 # cpt_ramius: Check the serial number of the iPod to confirm which generation it is, then find the manual for your player (IF it is 5.5 then this: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-build.html) and then read Introduction and Installation 19.47.03 # And follow the instructions there 19.49.23 # i checked with the support site and it is a 5.5 ipod 19.50.25 # the apple support site... 19.53.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.57.55 # OK, so read Introduction and Installation from the link I posted and follow the instructions 20.01.54 # ok... thanks... 20.04.44 Join thegeek [0] (~thegeek@110.36.34.95.customer.cdi.no) 20.09.23 # ok now it worked.... thanks alot for your help!!! :) 20.11.10 # Glad to hear it :) 20.11.23 Part fydo 20.13.43 Quit cpt_ramius (Quit: CGI:IRC) 20.33.11 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@host167-167-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 20.35.49 # hey all ;) I will start the RaaA port on YP-R1 later this month! Here the wiki: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SamsungR1Port 20.36.01 # so first of all this will resume my R0 port 20.37.22 # and thus aims also to complete USB support to both + ALSA recording part for both (R0 radio, R1 radio + mic). As you can see is a touchscreen device. All the drivers are already ready in a nice kernel (same as R0, hence toolchain is the same) and I have already tested a running build on it (just display of course) 20.40.02 # question: anyone implemented WM1808G codec in rockbox? Of course direct support of it in rockbox is not enttirely necessary, but it may a good idea to write down its support for other devices too, since I cannot find anywhere a datasheet for this codec but the kernel shipped by Samsung has a good API to access it with all definitions for the registers! What do you think? Hints? :) 20.43.14 Part amayer_ 20.43.14 # kugel: pong 20.46.06 # lorenzo92: how is wm1808g different from the other wm* we have ? 20.46.39 # pamaury: I still need to check, I don't know, maybe it's just a matter of adding some ifdefs... 20.46.57 # let me do that now (I'm still without the player ) 20.47.27 Quit sentriz (Quit: Leaving) 20.47.56 # lorenzo92: I have an interest in this codec, for a samsung player 20.48.28 # pamaury: nice. Indeed I cannot find any datasheet :( but hey fortunately we have plain code :D 20.48.56 # good, could you send it to me or point me to the code ? 20.50.15 # indeed, just a second 20.52.01 # side node: I think many of our wm* drivers could be merged 20.52.31 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~LemonBoy@ppp-6-13.26-151.libero.it) 20.52.31 Quit TheLemonMan (Changing host) 20.52.31 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~LemonBoy@unaffiliated/thelemonman) 20.52.41 # pamaury: yes, I think rockbox also needs some code cleanup, but anyways wow the code of the kernel is more documented than what I expected :D 20.53.58 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.54.55 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 21.14.24 Join bertrik_ [0] (~quassel@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 21.14.24 Quit bertrik_ (Changing host) 21.14.24 Join bertrik_ [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 21.18.33 Join Katu [0] (~sabayonus@c-71-236-211-59.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 21.19.49 # amiconn: I wonder if you can tell anything about g#339 21.19.51 # Gerrit review #339 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/339 : Fix FS#12391 : Memory corruption on PP502x after commit_discard_idcache() by Boris Gjenero (changes/39/339/1) 21.20.08 # it should be committed, shouldn't it? 21.20.37 # lorenzo92: how similar is hte R1? 21.21.12 # kugel: kernel environment, CPU, ALSA, linux... 21.21.28 # it has a differnet codec? 21.21.31 # yes 21.21.44 # see above, WM1808 21.22.10 # so we need new code to control the volume, right? 21.22.48 # yes, I don't want to pass through alsa mixer for efficiency + better control :) (see the wiki for the hardware) 21.23.09 # pamaury is interested in this codec too 21.23.39 # I have no idea. I didn't encounter PP502x specific instabilities lately, but then I don't use my PP devices often 21.23.42 # kugel: as I previously said, we could refactor some wm* codecs too, last time I had a look, it pretty bad 21.23.46 # *it was 21.25.57 # kugel: I think the pattern RaaA on such players is not that bad at all, we can continuosly improve common code and just do what is really different... 21.26.19 # moreover performances are really fine and battery life the same 21.28.01 # kugel, pamaury: ah right we also need to take care of firmware editor for samsung R0/R1 (same format), we can merge this to the generic one (with some differences) 21.31.38 Quit XavierGr (Disconnected by services) 21.31.40 Join XavierGr [0] (~xavier@rockbox/staff/XavierGr) 21.32.04 # lorenzo92: ok i'll do this. I'll add a switch and possibly autodetection mechanism 21.32.18 # pamaury: okay ;) 21.32.40 # can you do a list of the devices for the different format ? perhaps the logs can help 21.32.46 # lorenzo92: that's the case with RaaA in general :) 21.33.23 # porting RaaA to any linux-based player should be trivial for the most part now that we have a good base 21.34.10 # indeed :) 21.34.50 # I wouldn't say trivial (sometimes is difficult to access hw, see my radio module) but yeah definitely something that's far from a native port :D 21.35.45 # kugel: by the way, I will ask you about he alsa wrapper, there is something I don't understand, I need also to understand how rockbox gets and feeds audio data 21.37.53 # it's funny that samsung leaved all the stuff from R0 into R1 rom, absolutely funny and wrong -.- 21.38.02 # *wops, left :D 21.40.12 # there are even .old files haha nice 21.40.16 # lorenzo92: I said /mostly/, a few areas still need special care, right 21.42.15 # kugel: there is the same gpio access module, but no header provided this time and strangely binary size is a little different, I hope the API is the same 21.42.34 # otherwise there is the need of a little reverse ;) 21.51.14 # lorenzo92: same soc, right? I assume gpio setup is identical 21.51.58 # but the mapping is probably different 21.52.30 # yes we're on IMX37, gpio mappings are easy to carry out having the service manual :D 21.52.53 # and yes gpio setup is identical of course 21.53.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.53.14 # maybe the different bin size is given by other compiler settings, who knows... 21.53.53 # the service manual doesn't (and can't) tell what functions on the player are wired onto which gpio lines 21.54.25 # kugel: btw, I had a operating system lecture this semester and indeed what I did (calling user space function in the interrupt handler of radio module) is terrible! how the hell could that work?! :p 21.54.33 # kugel: schematics, I mean 21.54.36 # haha :) 21.54.58 # haha 21.57.11 # it worked because the armv6 architecture is simple enough to allow this, in other words it doesn't have the hardware feature that linux can use to prevent this 21.57.45 # ah ok, no context switch, indeed... 21.57.47 # or the samsung kernel just doesn't use them, I don't know for sure 21.58.46 # there is also the virtual memory stuff! haha so many things I ovverrode XD 21.59.42 # arm has virtual memory and fast context switches but perhaps the kernel doesn't use them (or is configured to do so) 22.01.24 # but calling userspace from kernel and in particular from interrupt context sounds sooooo wrong :p 22.01.43 # yes -.-' 22.02.13 # I went back to old times when win98 had no protections ^^ 22.02.22 # pamaury: I already told him, but hey, it did actually work in this case :) 22.04.52 # lorenzo92: indeed that wm1808 driver is incredibly complete 22.05.16 # which one? 22.05.33 # pamaury: yeah ;) so my plan is to create a i2c access module, and then control it through rockbox (or maybe just read/write register interface) 22.06.41 Quit bertrik_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.09.13 Join bertrik_ [0] (~quassel@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 22.09.13 Quit bertrik_ (Changing host) 22.09.13 Join bertrik_ [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 22.11.11 # you know what? R1 has TV out :p 22.13.32 # boring, even the ipod 5g has one (we just cannot use it) :P 22.14.20 Join TheSphinX_ [0] (~briehl@p5B322E42.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.14.40 # Wrong! 22.14.48 # kugel: there's a patch for that :) 22.15.09 Quit akaWolf (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 22.15.52 # oh, I wasn't aware of that 22.17.19 Quit TheSphinX^ (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 22.22.17 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 22.23.27 # okay ^^ 22.25.12 Quit nuskool (Quit: leaving) 22.26.42 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 22.27.48 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 22.40.10 Quit melmothX (Remote host closed the connection) 22.55.34 Join Wardo [0] (~Mirandaha@bpb01-1-88-162-4-186.fbx.proxad.net) 22.56.19 Join SuperBrainAK [0] (~Andy@71-36-165-101.phnx.qwest.net) 22.59.01 # hey there! its friday :D but why is the rockbox calendar saying that it is thursday? 22.59.59 # the date and year are correct but its saying thursday 23.03.29 # oh wait i fail its the 18th instead of the 17th :P 23.03.49 Quit y4n (Quit: Do you like hurting other people?) 23.05.30 Join linuxstb [0] (~linuxstb@unaffiliated/linuxstb) 23.09.44 Quit lorenzo92 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 18.0/20130107224849]) 23.26.58 # SuperBrainAK: It is Saturday in many places 23.27.46 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23.28.06 # if i was in other places you wouldnt understand me :P 23.28.19 # ? 23.28.41 # nevermind :/ 23.46.36 Part linuxstb ("Leaving") 23.48.00 Quit TheLemonMan (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.53.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.54.07 Quit dfkt (Quit: -= SysReset 2.55=- Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.)