--- Log for 05.03.113 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 17 days ago 00.00.10 # <[Saint]> ...doesn't come close. 00.00.28 # ok why? 00.01.05 # <[Saint]> Is it not obvious? The level of configuration that VLC offers - when compared to Rockbox - is essentially non-existent. 00.01.31 Quit Rondom (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 00.01.55 # <[Saint]> No audio player software for DAPs and mobile devices does. 00.04.25 # <[Saint]> Rockbox has the most extensive feature set and configuration options I have ever encountered. Not to mention the skin engine...nothing I know of comes close to that. 00.05.38 # <[Saint]> The main difference I see between Rockbox and is that Rockbox offers the user the ability to change the look and feel of...well....everything. 00.05.57 # <[Saint]> *almost everything 00.07.35 # its like saying developing rockbox for ios 00.07.54 Join Rondom [0] (~rondom@nonmodosedetiam.net) 00.08.16 # <[Saint]> cAN WE TRY THAT SENTENCE AGAIN IN A CONFIGURATION THAT MAKES SENSE? ;) 00.08.21 # <[Saint]> bah, caps. 00.08.25 # WUT 00.09.31 # <[Saint]> "[12:07:37] its like saying developing rockbox for ios" <-- could you try rephrasing this please? It makes no sense to me. 00.10.48 # * TheSeven accuses [Saint] of looking at the keyboard while typing 00.11.09 # making a app for ios just like the android one 00.11.34 # if apple wouldn't be quite as restrictive, someone would probably have done that already 00.11.36 # what would be weird about that? 00.12.03 # <[Saint]> TheSeven: Indeed - coupled with the fact that this keyboard has no visual indicator (LED, etc.) for the caps or num lock :) 00.12.05 # cydia 00.12.17 # yes, it could be distributed as an app for jailbroken phones 00.12.22 # <[Saint]> Nothing is stopping you from doing so - go for it. 00.12.24 # nobody has done it 00.13.07 # [Saint]: i would say the skinning in rockbox is the least interesting thing about it on android 00.13.17 # in fact, the way we do the UI is the reason i don't use rockbox on android :) 00.13.28 # if it used ugly boring stadnard android list widgets i'd use it immediately 00.13.36 # the playback engine is the part taht's nice, not the UI :) 00.13.47 # <[Saint]> If more of our developers used iOS based devices, I'm sure it would've happened already. But, nothing is stopping anyone else from doing so. 00.13.51 # "Rockbox has something for everyone!" ;) 00.15.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.17.54 Join bendyourself [0] (~47e97a0b@www.haxx.se) 00.18.34 Quit bendyourself (Client Quit) 00.19.28 Quit corona_ (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 00.32.21 # * [Saint] is working on user-configurable stepping for the EQ 00.32.38 # <[Saint]> ...do you think there's any hope for this - assuming it's well done? 00.34.44 # <[Saint]> What I mean is being able to configure the stepping (possibly separate values for gain, precut and q) for gain, precut, and q from 0.1db - NdB 00.34.47 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@50.4.240.19) 00.34.48 Quit jhMikeS (Changing host) 00.34.48 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 00.35.56 # [Saint]: I don't think so. it smells like "configure how you configure something" which we generally don't like 00.36.59 # Also, IMO, it's not worth the effort and/or binsize 00.37.36 # * [Saint] is reminded that he wants to unify the values offered for a LOT of settings. 00.38.13 # <[Saint]> For example: Some settings have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, ... - other have 1, 5, 10, 15, etc 00.43.50 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 00.47.24 Quit liar (Remote host closed the connection) 00.48.58 Quit ender` (Quit: According to the FAA, the propeller blade didn't break off, it was just a case of "uncontained blade liberation.") 00.49.37 # [Saint]: yeah, sounds a bit pointless... hoeveer if you want to try making the stepping logic more sensible that wouold be good 00.50.44 # <[Saint]> What I want to get to the bottom of - but haven't looked to hard at - is the EQ_*_FAST_STEP values 00.50.49 # <[Saint]> and when they are used. 00.51.41 # <[Saint]> I only have scrollwheel based targets to test on really - and it seems that scrolling isn't counted as a button repeat, which is what I guess triggers the fast step. 00.53.21 # are you talking about in the graphical eq or the menu? 00.53.50 # <[Saint]> GEQ 00.54.13 # <[Saint]> The menus - iiuc - should have their own list acceleration logic. 00.54.31 # <[Saint]> ...but, possibly only for touchscreen? 00.55.03 # <[Saint]> At least, that's the only place I have actually seen the acceleration configure options. 01.06.39 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 01.12.47 Join corona_ [0] (~6274c2d3@www.haxx.se) 01.13.10 # how do i make my icons in color they are all white 01.14.26 # <[Saint]> corona_: what theme are you using? 01.15.16 # <[Saint]> It sounds like you applied the "rockbox default icons" config from Settings - Theme Settings - Browse Theme Files 01.15.49 # <[Saint]> Just re-apply 01.16.05 # <[Saint]> ...from the menu listed above 01.17.14 # yea all my icons are just white and they dont change when i reapply a theme 01.18.04 # <[Saint]> That means that isn't setting its own icons. 01.18.19 # <[Saint]> Apple cabbiev2, and then apply the theme you want. 01.18.28 # u mean apply? 01.18.31 # <[Saint]> Derp. s/Apple/Apply/ 01.19.02 # * [Saint] got bitten by autocomplete on his phone 01.19.44 # 9 01.19.47 # wut 01.19.56 # no cabbiev2 is being retarded 01.20.12 # its not even cabbiev2 01.20.21 # <[Saint]> CabbieV2 definitely sets the icons to the Tango! icon set. Apply cabbieV2, and then apply whatever theme you're wanting to use afterward. 01.20.26 # it has this blue background 01.20.33 # its wierd 01.20.47 # <[Saint]> you applied "rockbox_failsafe" 01.22.12 # <[Saint]> Aha! It seems you'll need to be using a current build for cabbieV2 to apply the Tango! iconset. 01.22.33 # <[Saint]> http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commit;h=9302300 01.22.46 # <[Saint]> "Make Cabbiev2 enable icons when selected " 01.23.00 # but i am i just reinstalled rockbox 01.23.21 # <[Saint]> Oh....hum, weird. 01.23.36 # <[Saint]> Applying CabbieV2 should definitely set the icons correctly. 01.23.55 # <[Saint]> where "correctly" == "Tango! iconset" 01.24.05 # i got white icons after first reboot :-( 01.24.30 # i installed all themes so maybe? 01.24.43 # <[Saint]> maybe what? 01.24.59 # <[Saint]> The amount of themes you hav e installed is irrelevant. 01.25.03 # i know 01.25.23 # time to restore via itunes and try again :-) 01.25.24 # <[Saint]> Then I'm doubly confused by that statement. 01.25.34 # <[Saint]> WHat? No. That's just silly. 01.25.38 # <[Saint]> There's no need for that. 01.25.46 # cant do any harm 01.26.01 # <[Saint]> ...but, it's entirely useless. 01.26.25 # <[Saint]> All you need to do to achieve exactly the same effect (rather, the effect you want) is remove config.cfg 01.26.49 # i cant find it unfourtunally :-( 01.26.51 # <[Saint]> Restoring via iTunes is *waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay* over the top for this. 01.27.00 # oh well to late lol 01.27.11 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 01.27.12 # <[Saint]> ...you can't find config.cfg? 01.27.14 # maybe because im on mountain lion 01.27.24 # yea coundnt even find rockbox folder 01.27.41 # <[Saint]> it's hidden by default on unixlike systems 01.27.48 # :-/ 01.27.51 # awesome 01.28.01 # wish i known dat before 01.28.01 # <[Saint]> Also, you'll need to restore for a Windows system. 01.28.07 # wut 01.28.07 # <[Saint]> Rockbos doesn't do macpods. 01.28.12 # que 01.28.30 # AWESOME TIME TO BOOT MY VIRTUAL MACHINE 01.29.34 # <[Saint]> Better I told you before you started, I guess. Otherwise you'd have the installer tell you that you have a macpod, as opposed to a winpod, and tell you to restore from a Windows machine. 01.30.36 # what about a linuxpod? 01.30.49 # <[Saint]> There's no such thing. 01.30.56 # oh no there is 01.30.58 # trust me 01.31.12 # <[Saint]> No. No, there isn't. 01.31.14 Quit corona_ (Quit: CGI:IRC) 01.31.19 Join corona_ [0] (~6274c2d3@www.haxx.se) 01.31.32 # oops 01.31.39 # pressed back button 01.31.42 # <[Saint]> I'm not sure what gives you the idea that such a thing exists, but, it doesn't. 01.31.54 # im joking it was a joke 01.31.56 # calm down 01.34.43 # <[Saint]> Well, I apologize. Since I don't have the benefit of being psychic, it seemed like a wildly incorrect statement. ;) 01.34.44 # btw what does the rockbox video player support "as in codecs" 01.34.58 # mpeg2 01.35.03 # <[Saint]> Our fine manual tells you this. 01.35.56 # <[Saint]> The video needs to be sized for the player also. It isn't resized dynamically. 01.36.09 # i know 01.36.27 # i remeber doing it awhile ago on windows using some converter 01.36.42 # but i forgot the the name of the converter 01.37.16 Quit corona_ (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 01.38.23 Join corona_ [0] (~6274c2d3@www.haxx.se) 01.38.31 # <[Saint]> corona_: http://winff.org/html_new/downloads.html 01.38.35 # ahh it was winff 01.38.38 # yup 01.38.39 # ok 01.39.32 # <[Saint]> fwiw, it runs on a shit-tonne of platforms, despite the slightly misleading "Win" part of the naming scheme. 01.40.23 # <[Saint]> XP, Vista, Ubuntu, Debian, Redhat, Fedora, OpenSuse, PCLinuxOS 01.40.38 # hehe red 01.40.40 # hat 01.40.43 # its a hat 01.40.46 # thats red 01.41.11 # <[Saint]> Fedora is also a hat, but, this is sliding off-topic ;) 01.41.36 # redfedora? 01.44.18 Quit sakax (Remote host closed the connection) 02.13.50 Quit corona_ (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 02.15.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.19.16 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 02.55.33 # * [Saint] wonders why "/lang" is a subdir of "/apps" 02.58.26 Join wut [0] (~6274c2d3@www.haxx.se) 02.58.46 # oh crap my ipod isnt booting 02.58.50 Nick wut is now known as Guest13201 (~6274c2d3@www.haxx.se) 03.00.41 # <[Saint]> JdGordon: I'm confused about your skin engine debug screen 03.00.58 # <[Saint]> ...why isn't it using a proper lang string? 03.01.14 # pardon 03.01.14 # que? 03.01.30 Quit Guest13201 (Client Quit) 03.01.36 # [Saint]: what part of it is confusing? 03.01.48 # and none of the debug screens use translatable strings 03.01.55 # <[Saint]> JdGordon: id: LANG_SKIN_RAM_USAGE exists in english.lang, but is depricated - seems like it would be perfect for this and allow translation 03.02.45 # <[Saint]> aaaaaaaaaaaaaanyhoo, I just submitted a typo fix for it. 03.02.49 Join corona_ [0] (~6274c2d3@www.haxx.se) 03.03.35 # yea this theme problem is happening again 03.05.40 # <[Saint]> corona_: Apply Cabbiev2 (so you get the Tango! iconset {the one you're probably used to}, and then instead of applying the theme .cfg for apply the theme's *.wps/*.sbs/*.fms files separately 03.06.02 # <[Saint]> It sounds like the theme you're wanting to use is doing something stupid 03.06.54 # it is lol 03.09.37 # i like how winff isnt for mac 03.09.48 Quit corona_ (Quit: CGI:IRC) 03.10.36 # <[Saint]> Someone wanna pull the trigger on g#415 for me please? 03.10.39 # 3Gerrit review #415 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/415 : Debug Screen: - Skin Engine RAM usage - fix a small typo by Hayden Pearce (changes/15/415/1) 03.10.55 # <[Saint]> master and release branch - preferably 03.15.48 Quit thegeek (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.31.09 Join amayer [0] (~alex@h115.51.21.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 03.31.15 # a 03.31.30 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 03.31.54 # *sorry* chat window somehow popped up in front 03.33.37 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/user/saint) 03.43.23 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 03.43.28 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 03.46.21 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 03.47.37 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@f053155091.adsl.alicedsl.de) 04.15.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.32.38 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 04.33.53 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.33.53 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.33.53 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.33.54 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.33.56 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.33.56 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.34.47 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/user/saint) 05.07.05 Quit amithkk (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 05.13.19 Part amayer 05.30.45 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 05.30.54 Join [7] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.53.52 Quit froggyman (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 06.15.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.16.36 Quit zamboni () 06.18.31 Quit dfkt_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06.18.46 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 06.33.02 Join sarg [0] (~sarg@89.169.51.37) 06.43.18 Join akaWolf [0] (~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf) 06.56.01 Join amithkk [0] (uid4289@2buntu/writers/amithkk) 06.57.03 Quit Mir (Remote host closed the connection) 06.57.46 Join Mir [0] (~Mir@pool-71-109-219-166.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 07.07.40 Quit sarg (Quit: leaving) 07.08.13 Join sarg [0] (~sarg@89.169.51.37) 07.08.44 Join melmothX [0] (~melmoth@unaffiliated/melmothx) 07.25.48 Quit SuperBrainAK (Quit: pbly going to sleep /_\) 07.47.35 Join thegeek [0] (~thegeek@222.37.34.95.customer.cdi.no) 07.48.55 Join olspookishmagus [0] (~pookie@host-84-205-241-1.cpe.syzefxis.ote.gr) 08.14.28 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 08.15.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.25.00 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@184.76.254.130) 08.30.45 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2a01:d0:ffff:34a::8:3) 08.37.14 Join mortalis [0] (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 08.39.12 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.39.30 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 08.41.22 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 08.45.11 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 08.46.09 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 08.54.44 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@giant.haxx.se) 08.55.29 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.22.02 Quit bertrik (Read error: Operation timed out) 10.15.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.26.45 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.34.59 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 10.47.22 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 11.11.01 Quit Scall (Quit: Bye bye) 11.32.34 # whats the syntax for the "ui viewport" config option? 11.36.59 Quit kaputnik_ (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 11.42.26 # why does the Rockbox themes website reject archives that contain fonts? 11.42.44 # only fonts in the fontzip 11.42.47 # they take very little space and it ensures that the theme will display correctly even if the user didn't install the font pack 11.42.50 # because wasting bandwidth sucks 11.43.29 # they take 64 KiB in my theme 11.43.51 # multiply that by the number of themes on the server * downloads 11.43.53 # 8 KiB zipped 11.44.26 # if you're worried about bandwidth, you should implement PNG support 11.44.43 # it's the damn bitmaps that take up 95% of the space 11.44.53 # if not more 11.45.22 # also the fonts have, occasionally, been updated 11.45.25 # we really should enalble jpeg images in the wps, yes 11.45.51 # why jpg 11.45.54 # why not PNG 11.46.00 # because we already support jpg 11.46.09 # ah yes of course 11.46.11 # there's already a jpeg decoder in core 11.46.15 # so, it's less work ;) 11.48.07 # <[Saint]> copper: the issue is simple - you include fonts A, B and C from the font pack in your theme - we update the fonts in the source - a user them installs your theme, and ends up downgrading fonts A, B, and C unknowingly. 11.48.14 # the .bmp files take up 200 KiB zipped 11.48.19 # the rest takes up 4 KiB 11.49.05 # <[Saint]> The size is largely irrelevant - the point is, it is wasted bandwidth. 11.49.12 # ... 11.49.17 # <[Saint]> Just tell the user that they need to install the font pack in the theme description. 11.49.20 # what is this, 1995? 11.49.31 # * [Saint] dislikes the attitude 11.49.42 # sorry but that bandwidth argument is silly 11.49.55 # <[Saint]> It's not an arbitrary reason, the fact that you don't agree with the reason is...well...I couldn;t care less. 11.50.11 # <[Saint]> It is what it is, and you've been told why. 11.50.16 # fine 11.51.11 # <[Saint]> Just tell the user that they need to install the font pack in the theme description. 11.51.14 # yeah, did that 11.51.25 # <[Saint]> Sweet - Job done. 11.51.55 # but you can't use that argument with a straight face :P 11.52.10 # you had me at the updating argument 11.52.11 # to me, the version argument weighs more than the bandwidth one and it's quite important even if it didn't happen often 11.52.29 # that fonts were updated 11.53.01 # * [Saint] nods 11.53.16 # <[Saint]> ...bandwidth is still an issue, albeit a minor one. 11.53.54 # <[Saint]> But, yes, the larger issue is the fact that the author may not notice a given font updates, and then the user ends up with older fonts than they think they have. 11.54.55 # somebody familiar with arm assembler, please take a look at this code http://pastebin.com/78Cm9XUU 11.55.05 # <[Saint]> We should /probably/ include magic that checks the md5 sum of the fonts against those in HEAD to prevent authors renaming fonts to get around this restriction 11.55.15 # * [Saint] prods amayer 11.55.15 # your bandwidth issues are 100 times bigger with the distribution of your source archive 11.55.41 # <[Saint]> do we even distribute a source snapshot anymore? 11.55.52 # <[Saint]> I thought that stopped /ages/ ago. 11.56.00 # http://download.rockbox.org/release/3.12/rockbox-3.12.7z 11.56.27 # I'm sorry 11.56.29 # my mistake 11.56.42 # your bandwidth issue with the source archive is 4224 times bugger 11.56.44 # bigger* 11.57.00 # they are also on different servers (themes. and download.) 11.57.17 # seriously though 11.57.23 # eh, forget it 11.57.56 # <[Saint]> seriously though - "just don't do it, for the reasons stated above" 11.58.05 # <[Saint]> It's really not up for debate :) 11.58.59 # where do you get the number from? Would you know how much space the how many... 1000? themes would have with the included fonts of their choice (could be a few, could be large ones - anti-aliased and with a big character set) 11.59.17 # I said forget it 12.01.56 # <[Saint]> Hmmm...what the? 12.02.20 # * [Saint] wonders how he managed to tab-complete amayer when he's not even present 12.03.15 # <[Saint]> Odd. Well, I hope he reads logs. He seems to be quite fond of the theme site. 12.03.41 # one small pet peeve I have against it, is that there are no permalinks to the themes 12.03.50 # the URL changes when I update a theme 12.04.02 # so I set up a redirect on my server 12.04.09 # <[Saint]> IIRC, this is one of the (many) things amayer is working on. 12.05.01 # there's also a repeated PHP error 12.05.20 # <[Saint]> ...and that's another one of them :) 12.05.30 # <[Saint]> amayer has taken the theme site under his wing. 12.06.09 # Notice: Undefined index: extension in /home/themes/private/themesite.class.php on line 973 12.06.22 # <[Saint]> It is being worked on, but - free time, real life, etc. 12.06.33 # kay kay 12.06.52 # you might want to not print error on the production website 12.06.57 # errors* 12.07.06 # just log them 12.10.35 # [Saint]: also, why aren't fonts installed by default? Also bandwidth considerations? 12.10.59 # <[Saint]> Correct. 12.12.05 # <[Saint]> Only the font(s) required by the default theme are shipped. 12.12.06 # is the server's bandwidth metered, or just limited in throughput? 12.12.45 # (or both) 12.13.15 # <[Saint]> In the not so distant past, Rockbox shipped with several themes included, so there were more fonts included in the .zip, but those themes have since been transferred to the themesite so now only the font(s) required by CabbieV2 are present. 12.13.40 # just a n additional thought, the bandwidth issue could also be on the downloader's side 12.13.59 # sheesh 12.14.09 # <[Saint]> copper: neither - I believe. 12.14.28 # sarg: what is your question? 12.14.46 # I'd like to know how many people have trouble downloading 3.3 MiB 12.14.59 # funman: i tried to inject this code, and bricked my device 12.15.14 # so, the question is, may this code cause infinite loop ? 12.15.32 # <[Saint]> The server has a fat pipe, and unlimited (or basically unlimited) traffic. But, keeping the images as small as possible, with the least number of superfluous files, is just plain common sense. 12.15.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.15.42 # copper: maybe we can put this another way: many users never, ever change theme, or look at the themesite, or use any other font :) 12.15.53 # sarg: code is loaded at which address? 12.16.17 # I just don't really get where this conservatism comes from 12.16.23 # copper: or another: the build changes frequently, but the fonts rarely do, packaging them separately means people don't download the same data over and over 12.16.50 # it also would take more time for the buildbots to upload the zip to the build master if it had the fonts in 12.17.21 # okay 12.17.24 # we're turning hundreds of builds around in six minutes 12.17.43 # <[Saint]> There's also game files (doom wad(s)), dict index files, and so on, and so forth - forcing these on a user that may not ever use them for the sake of those who do is...well, a crappy thing to do. 12.17.54 # funman: it is injected at the end of dram init procedure of rk3066 SoC, i don't know load address, but think it does not matter as it is called by relative offset 12.18.08 # <[Saint]> Those that *do* want them, can easily download them. 12.18.36 # [Saint]: IIRC the Classic build includes a fuckton of plugins 12.18.44 # <[Saint]> and? 12.18.50 # the plugins have to be compiled to match the binary 12.18.54 # so, we distrubite them with the binary 12.18.58 # the data files we're talking about don't 12.19.05 # sarg: well unless memcpy overwrites itself :) 12.20.08 # the plugins take up 1.5 MiB zipped 12.20.29 # so? 12.20.35 # funman: what will happen if I LDR from wrong (unmapped) address? 12.20.48 # sarg: data abort i guess 12.21.57 # <[Saint]> Plugins are included, as Torne mentioned - to avoid version mismatch. 12.22.17 # also, some of hte plugins are fairly important 12.22.24 # credits, battery_bench, etc 12.22.29 # rockblox1d 12.22.32 # so even if we did split some off we would want some included 12.22.53 # although perhaps a package of optional plugins would make sense 12.23.02 # funman: doesn't seem worth it 12.23.37 # <[Saint]> It would make a lot of situations where users have plugin pack X, and binary Y, and don't understand why plugin Z no longer functions. 12.24.09 # yeah, if some plugins were separate and others weren't then people would likely not remember to update the optinal ones 12.24.28 # <[Saint]> RbUtil could take care of this, but that would rely on everyone actually using it. 12.25.27 # copper: there ultimately doesn't seem to be a good reason to change anything, also ;) 12.25.47 # <[Saint]> "if it 'aint broke" et al 12.26.18 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2a01:d0:ffff:34a::8:3) 12.27.08 # Torne: the permalink thing though 12.27.34 # what permalink thing? 12.27.56 # the links to the theme archives 12.28.15 # [Saint] says it's being worked on 12.34.53 # funman: i changed copy size to 0x1000, but nothing changed 12.40.55 # sarg: maybe use skyeye emulator to test it 12.54.08 Quit copper (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12.55.58 Join copper [0] (~copper@unaffiliated/copper) 12.57.49 # ah, also, it's difficult to link to theme screenshots because of the diaporama script 12.58.13 # I can't right click on the first screenshot and select "copy image location" most of the time 13.03.10 # <[Saint]> Blame your browser then, I guess. Works fine here. 13.03.28 # uh? 13.03.40 # how is my browser at fault, the image keeps changing 13.04.08 # <[Saint]> That doesn't stop you from being able to copy the image URL. 13.04.32 # the image changes as soon as I hover it 13.04.43 # the image URL that I copy is that of the new image 13.04.56 # <[Saint]> I suspect you're overlooking the fact that you can click on the theme title and view all the images in an array. 13.05.06 # aaaaaah 13.05.16 # I totally did not know about that. 13.06.00 # strange that I never figured it out 13.06.03 # my bad, my bad 13.06.05 # funman: what if my code executed on both ARM cores of SoC ? 13.08.20 # * [Saint] wonders if it's too late past the event for a http://goo.gl/1Ggfm 13.08.46 # <[Saint]> I'm usually must quicker on the draw with my sarcasm, apparently I'm slipping 13.14.13 Quit mortalis (Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/) 13.21.31 Quit sarg (Quit: leaving) 14.15.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.26.39 Quit olspookishmagus (Quit: All for nothing) 14.42.22 Join Rower [0] (husvagn@v-413-alfarv-177.bitnet.nu) 14.49.45 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 14.53.33 Quit [7] (Disconnected by services) 14.53.42 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 15.39.33 Join froggyman [0] (~me@unaffiliated/froggyman) 15.43.59 Quit Zagor (Quit: Clint excited) 15.47.09 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 15.49.12 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/user/saint) 15.53.27 Join eckoit [0] (~ryan@S0106e0cb4e3e79f9.ed.shawcable.net) 15.54.08 Quit froggyman (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 16.12.23 Quit gelraen (Quit: Quit) 16.15.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.15.58 Join gelraen [0] (~imax@mail.univua.net) 16.16.58 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 16.24.21 Join kly [0] (~54619bc6@www.haxx.se) 16.24.35 # hihi 16.24.41 # sorry hi .. 16.25.06 # anybody here ? 16.26.19 # gonna kill myself if nobody answers .. 16.29.47 # lots, but just ask - don't ask to ask. And be patient, not everyone is always looking or knows everything 16.30.04 # if rockbox related here 16.30.53 # oh thanks 16.32.19 Join ender` [0] (~ender@foo.eternallybored.org) 16.33.00 # so, i changed the face of my ipod c6th gen who is rockboxed, i pull up everything but now i have an error "loading rockbox.ipod failed and then rockbox try to launch and i see *panic* ATA ! error 80000000000 while reading bbt (sector 0, count1) 16.33.24 # btw, the HDD bip sometimes when i move it 16.38.56 Part LinusN 16.42.22 # ideas ? 16.47.29 # :'( 16.51.44 # no idea where i can get help ? 16.52.54 Part eckoit 16.59.54 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:27:773:0:feed:c0f:fee) 17.04.28 # It sounds like disk corruption or maybe the connector got damaged (just guessing here, I also don't have an Ipod). Did you try booting into the original firmware or emergency disk mode? 17.06.33 # i can't boot in emergency .. you're probably right, if i up the HDD or not there is no difference 17.06.49 # put or not * 17.07.16 # but i have a bip when i touch it 17.08.10 Join froggyman [0] (~me@dhcp-155-92-103-232.nebula.msoe.edu) 17.08.10 Quit froggyman (Changing host) 17.08.10 Join froggyman [0] (~me@unaffiliated/froggyman) 17.08.15 # i can hear the HDD working now, but the ipod don't recognize it 17.13.31 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@nl118-168-30.student.uu.se) 17.13.31 Quit n1s (Changing host) 17.13.31 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 17.16.53 # why there is 120 persons but nobody cares ? 17.17.46 # many people here are users, not developers, and have no idea how to fix your problem. many people here don't have ipod classics and don't know anything about them. many people here are idle, not actually present. 17.18.03 # please don't accuse random people of not caring just because they haven't said "i don't know" :) 17.18.15 # ok thanks ! 17.18.42 # you may want to post your question to the forums where people can read it at any time of day 17.31.13 # kly: sounds to me like the connection to the disk isn't working right 17.31.35 # perhaps reseating it could help 17.40.04 # reseating, play+menu ? 17.40.44 # re-seating - removing and reinserting the connector to ensure it's plugged in properly 17.40.53 # ah 17.40.58 # tried 10 time 17.41.20 # :'( 17.43.14 # <[Saint]> There's also the possibility that it's just "f*cked ™" as well. 17.43.28 # yep 17.43.32 # but can't stand why 17.44.23 # <[Saint]> It is highly possibly that you damaged either the HDD, or the PCB, when you opened the device. 17.44.55 # <[Saint]> These things are only reasonably rugged when fully assembled. 17.45.20 # <[Saint]> When partially disassembled, they'll break if you look at them the wrong way ;) 17.45.26 Join zaphee [0] (~user@ip212-238-42-68.hotspotsvankpn.com) 17.45.30 Part zaphee 17.46.21 # perhaps .. but it's strange i break nothing 17.47.20 # <[Saint]> The cables are *incredibly* fragile...and it can be very hard to spot a break in the traces there. 17.47.51 # <[Saint]> I'm also guessing you weren't grounded, so static discharge is also a possibility. 17.48.05 # yes .. :'( 17.49.37 # i guess something, i maybe pull of the cable battery when the ipod was turned on, this could damage it ? 17.51.39 # <[Saint]> It's /possible/...I guess. But I would doubt that to be the cause. 17.52.41 Join djp_ [0] (djp@fsf/member/djp-) 17.52.54 # <[Saint]> My guesses would be, in order of likeliness: 1 - broken cable trace; 2 - Accidentally bridging something on the PCB; 3 - Static discharge killing something 17.54.24 # <[Saint]> That is, of course, if you are absolutely sure the HDD, and the ZIF cable to it (at both ends), is properly seated and all flaps are down. 17.54.41 # yes .. 17.55.02 # but, the HDD, make some sound when it is connected, so it's not the HDD + cable 17.56.21 # but i've got 1 connection that i don't understand the utility, it's near the battery to under the screen 17.56.40 # if i plug it in or out, nothing changes 17.58.26 # <[Saint]> There are many traces that could be broken in the HDD cable. 17.58.43 # <[Saint]> The fact that it spins up doesn't necessarily mean a data trace isn't broken. 18.01.22 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 18.02.33 Join fyrestorm [0] (~nnscript@cpe-24-90-158-3.nyc.res.rr.com) 18.07.23 # wow .. that's weird, when the HDD touch some coponents on the motherboard, the ipod shutdown .. i feel stupid i know .. 18.08.29 # <[Saint]> Ummmmm, yeah. Bridging components on the PCB under power is a "Very Bad Thing" - generally speaking. 18.13.09 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SoundCodecs is wrong about a free ALAC encoder "missing" 18.13.15 # ffmpeg encodes to ALAC 18.13.55 # <[Saint]> its a wiki. 18.15.03 # and most of the info on that page is from when people started porting over codecs, about 2005 or so :) 18.15.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.16.22 # <[Saint]> last edit over a year ago. 18.16.31 # <[Saint]> edit before that about a year prior. 18.16.38 # <[Saint]> edit before that ... :) 18.16.47 # <[Saint]> But, yeah, its a wiki - go nuts. 18.17.53 # hmmm, I do have an account apparently 18.18.27 # ffmpeg supports it since 2008! 18.20.08 # done 18.26.22 Join eckoit [0] (~ryan@S0106e0cb4e3e79f9.ed.shawcable.net) 18.26.50 # <[Saint]> You can't really give it too much grief for being wrong - it was written in ~2005, and the people that edited it since likely only edited the coded they were working on adding at the time specifically. 18.26.54 # <[Saint]> :) 18.29.02 # <[Saint]> There's only 5 targets SoCs in the table as well. 18.29.12 # <[Saint]> That's also a sign of the times. 18.29.32 # <[Saint]> *target SoCs 18.32.17 Part eckoit 18.32.17 Quit efyx__ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.33.41 Join Ward [0] (~Mirandaha@176-120-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr) 18.34.05 Nick Ward is now known as Guest45031 (~Mirandaha@176-120-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr) 18.40.05 Quit wry (Read error: Operation timed out) 18.49.36 Join efyx__ [0] (~efyx@91.179.13.242) 18.49.46 Join wry [0] (wry@newelite.bshellz.net) 18.54.34 Quit froggyman (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 18.56.36 # pamaury: Could you commit your Franch update to the 3.13 branch too please? 18.56.48 # (if appropriate, I'm assuming so) 18.59.27 # If there is a patch on gerrit for master, can I apply it to a different branch? Or do I need to take the patch and do it manually? 19.02.13 Quit copper (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19.03.37 Join copper [0] (~copper@unaffiliated/copper) 19.06.35 # AlexP: you can't apply it to a different branch just from the web ui, no 19.06.54 # AlexP: check out the branch youw ant it on, use gerrit's suggested cherrypick command, upload the change for that branch 19.06.58 # Torne: OK, so easiest way is to get it to gove me the patch, apply and commit locally? 19.07.07 # cherrypick rather than patch+apply, but yes 19.07.38 # OK, so I'm on 3.13 branch - I a) paste in the gerrit cherry pick command, then b) ? 19.07.57 # Just want to make sure I don't cock it up :) 19.10.23 Quit copper (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19.10.38 # git push origin HEAD:refs/for/v3.13 19.11.00 # That'll put it up for review again? 19.11.01 # and it should make a new change that's identical except its parent commit and the target branch 19.11.04 # yup 19.11.07 Join copper [0] (~copper@unaffiliated/copper) 19.11.13 # or you can just push it directly the normal way 19.11.14 # Can I do it directly? Or is that a better way? 19.11.14 # whatever 19.11.16 Quit copper (Remote host closed the connection) 19.11.20 # Oh, however you like 19.11.21 # right, OK. thanks 19.11.22 # :) 19.11.51 # So basically the cherry pick grabe the change and applies it on the branch I'm on, then I just push it back to that remote branch? 19.11.57 # yup 19.12.02 # great, thanks :) 19.13.44 Join copper [0] (~copper@unaffiliated/copper) 19.20.54 # pamaury: Don't worry, I grabbed the diff 19.27.00 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@host212-109-dynamic.10-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 19.28.22 # rasher: About? 19.28.37 # Us? 19.28.39 # Time? 19.28.42 # Right? 19.29.12 # Viperfang: Do you have a question? 19.29.30 # Was wondering about the second half of the about 19.29.42 # There is no second half 19.29.50 # It is short for "Are you about" 19.30.18 # I know 19.30.23 # Just making convo 19.30.29 # In that case please keep the noise down 19.30.37 # #rockbox-community for off-topic stuff 19.36.55 # I'm not sure what to do about the Bulgarian translation on the -dev ml - the way he's done it (rearranging strings) even if you make a diff it is rather difficult to review 19.37.02 # It builds alright 19.39.52 # AlexP: hm, you could try using langtool to sort the current one and then sort his 19.39.57 # should make them diffable 19.40.19 # rasher: I'll try, ta 19.40.32 # AlexP: Assuming langtool can do sorting... I'm not sure actually, now that I think of it 19.41.02 # rasher: hmm, don't see an option 19.41.16 # AlexP: oh, shucks 19.41.28 # AlexP: blame the lazy fool who wrote it 19.41.36 # heh :) 19.42.03 # The direct diff is 17631 lines 19.42.04 Join webguest34 [0] (~57709f86@www.haxx.se) 19.42.12 # I'm not even going to try to look at that 19.42.55 # AlexP: you could do the sort with the translate site 19.43.24 # AlexP: http://translate.rockbox.org/fixlang.php?lang=bulgarian&sort=on gives you a diff, with a bit of luck his are sorted in English order as well 19.43.42 # rasher: great, thanks - I'll try :) 19.44.18 # if not, you could commit his, then sort i through the translate site and get something diffable then 19.44.24 # which is gross 19.45.06 Quit webguest34 (Client Quit) 19.46.06 Join kaputnik_ [0] (~kaputnik@92.206.14.171) 19.50.55 # rasher: I think that worked, but I think he's added all the voicing, add changed some strings so it is still nice and long 19.51.14 # rasher: Do voice strings need specifying if they are not different to the translation? 19.51.30 # AlexP: I... think so 19.51.39 # heh, OK :) 19.52.00 # but I'm not positive. Anyway, having them there is nice so we explicitly know they're identical 19.52.08 # yep 19.52.48 # Is there a diff tool that'll give me more context to the changes than just "diff" does (like e.g. git diff)? 19.53.48 # I suspect there is an option for diff that will :) 19.53.51 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 19.54.33 # AlexP: diff -U 10 19.54.38 # rasher: thanks! 19.55.00 # Maybe you just need -u if you're not already 19.55.17 # ah, indeed 19.56.38 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 19.59.17 # rasher: I realise this is quite large, but does http://fpaste.org/fmw5/ look sensible? 19.59.39 # I didn't spot anything obviously wrong from a cursory glance 20.01.26 # AlexP: yeah me neither 20.01.34 # great, thanks 20.01.48 # rasher: Would you commit the resort, then his changes? 20.02.22 # AlexP: yeah, makes sense 20.02.28 # coolio 20.03.49 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.04.25 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 20.08.18 Quit akaWolf (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.08.35 Join akaWolf [0] (~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf) 20.09.34 Quit akaWolf (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.09.41 Join akaWolf [0] (~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf) 20.10.25 # ooops 20.10.31 # * AlexP prepares for wrath 20.10.35 # top posting! 20.12.23 Join froggyman [0] (~me@unaffiliated/froggyman) 20.14.00 Quit akaWolf (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 20.14.11 # Looks like Japanese will miss out, no real name - I asked for it ages ago but unfortunately didn't see that he replied saying I didn't need it until now 20.15.08 # Whoa, no new strings recently eh? 20.15.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.15.57 # rasher: looking at the lang statuses? 20.16.02 # Yeah 20.16.14 # yeah, it's pretty good :) 20.17.11 Quit kaputnik_ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 20.21.33 Nick funman is now known as seriousman (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 20.39.24 Join Metanaus [0] (~Metanaus@modemcable209.254-160-184.mc.videotron.ca) 20.39.37 Part Metanaus 20.45.45 Nick seriousman is now known as funman (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 20.47.39 Join Xerion [0] (~xerion@5419F5F4.cm-5-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 20.54.35 # AlexP: good job on committing his translation 10 minutes before he sent it! :) 20.55.14 # I'm ninja like that 20.56.20 # I'm also disliking the trend of having more stable targets, it takes me longer to build them all :) 20.59.50 Join morksoldat [0] (~morksolda@190.215.85.118) 21.03.57 # hello everybody.... i'm having heavy distorted sound trough ipod 7g line out, but nos trought the headphone out... eq off, and max precut doesn't solve the problem, bug reported here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12819. Ideas? 21.11.27 Join SuperBrainAK [0] (~Andy@71-36-160-229.phnx.qwest.net) 21.26.48 # gevaerts: Was there a decision on the recorder? Having just built everything I've realised/remembered it doesn't build :/ 21.27.12 # AlexP: I'd just apply that one patch 21.27.33 # yeah 21.27.36 # will do 21.44.18 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0/20130227063501]) 21.53.30 # gevaerts: I've applied it to the 3.13 branch only for the time being 21.53.49 # Yes, that sounds sensible 22.00.04 Join zaphee [0] (~user@ip212-238-42-68.hotspotsvankpn.com) 22.00.10 Part zaphee 22.03.13 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@50.4.240.19) 22.03.13 Quit jhMikeS (Changing host) 22.03.13 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 22.05.31 Quit Guest45031 (Quit: Blarglarg) 22.08.24 Quit melmothX (Remote host closed the connection) 22.15.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.18.41 Quit y4n (Disconnected by services) 22.18.49 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 22.19.28 # How is utils/common/tarball.py supposed to work? 22.20.09 # We clearly need weekly releases :) 22.20.36 # Is the argument e.g. "3.13"? 22.20.48 # I suspect the branch name 22.21.04 # Doesn't seem so 22.21.26 # That just gives a couldn't find hash for version 22.21.41 # If I use "3.13" it tries to run, but errors out 22.22.24 # Looking in it, it takes the argument and prepends "refs/tags/v" and appends "-final" 22.23.14 # I thought it might be a python 2/3 issue, but as far as I can see it uses utils/common/tarball.py and utils/common/gitscraper.py and I changed both of those to use python2 22.25.35 # gevaerts: I get http://pastie.org/6398007 Does it work for you? 22.25.50 # Same here 22.28.00 # Oh 22.28.04 # hmmm 22.28.45 # * gevaerts blames [Saint] 22.28.52 # Seems fair 22.29.10 # The script doesn't handle filenames with spaces in them 22.29.20 # We had none of those until [Saint] decided we needed them 22.29.37 # bugger 22.29.48 Quit liar (Quit: huiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii) 22.31.12 # * gevaerts pretends to know python so he can fix this 22.31.17 # The eq presets? 22.31.28 # It's a faulty regular expression, I think 22.31.32 # Yes 22.32.25 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 22.32.29 # I think I may have a solution 22.32.57 # good work :) 22.33.53 # Did you stand back properly? :) 22.34.00 # I am now 22.34.43 # Good! 22.40.27 Join morksoldat_ [0] (~morksolda@190.215.19.5) 22.40.27 # Fix pushed to master. Figuring out how to push to v3.13 now 22.40.47 Quit lorenzo92 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0/20130227184535]) 22.40.51 # gevaerts: I wouldn't worry 22.40.53 # Done! 22.40.57 # I can run it from master for 3.13 22.41.10 # We may need 3.13.1, and we'll just get confused otherwise :) 22.41.14 # true 22.43.09 # Will you be around tomorrow daytime? 22.43.33 # I have no meetings planned, so most probably, yes, although there will be intervals 22.44.31 # I'm uploading builds, manuals, voice etc. now, but as Zagor isn't here and I can't get on from work, could you grab him if you get the chance to move stuff around? 22.44.31 Quit morksoldat (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 22.44.46 # We don't tend to overlap these days :) 22.44.47 # I'll do my best! 22.44.51 # cheers :) 22.45.05 # The not used RC will need removing too 22.45.29 # I haven't done any of the stuff like update builds.pm in master etc. obviosuly, until stuff is moved 22.45.38 # * gevaerts nods 22.51.46 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 22.59.20 Quit y4n (Quit: coob ov vood?) 23.02.25 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:27:773:0:feed:c0f:fee) 23.04.11 # All should be uploaded now 23.09.04 Quit amayer (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23.14.59 # * bluebrother^ shows up 23.16.16 # we have files with spaces in the filename? 23.16.25 # Apparently 23.16.41 # * bluebrother^ wonders which one that would be 23.16.46 # eq presets 23.17.11 # ah. 23.17.28 # * bluebrother^ unsure if he likes this 23.17.34 Join morksoldat__ [0] (~morksolda@190.215.85.118) 23.17.41 # * gevaerts knows if he likes this :) 23.17.58 # like or dislike? ;-) 23.19.08 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 23.19.11 # Indeed :) 23.21.37 Quit morksoldat_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 23.21.50 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/user/saint) 23.30.10 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23.31.02 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (~briehl@p57A39052.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.41.33 Join morksoldat_ [0] (~morksolda@190.215.19.5) 23.45.05 Quit morksoldat__ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23.45.35 # AlexP: sorry, was afk, did you commit to the 3.13 branch ? 23.46.00 # pamaury: yep, don't worry :) 23.51.00 Join amayer [0] (~alex@98.21.51.115)