--- Log for 23.03.113 Server: sendak.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: Guest7860 Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 15 days and 19 hours ago 00.00.16 # ok but PNG is more efficient (to save some KB) and has native transparency support, right? 00.00.58 # how many KB are you needing to save? 00.01.09 # BMP also has transparency 00.01.23 # I don't really need, it's just a theoritical question 00.01.32 # So the only thing you're saving is a bit of diskspace 00.02.11 # well, PNGMonster is a good tool to further reduce the PNG size 00.02.31 # it works pretty well in UI elements that are not utter complex 00.02.31 # Rather irrelevant if we don't do png :) 00.02.35 # Fine. let's assume for sake of argument PNG themes would be 0KB in size. 00.03.06 # How much storage space are you going to regain? 00.04.46 # It's the rare iPod Video (big screen) them which breaks 200K. 00.04.50 # theme 00.05.24 # the backdrop is around 300K on those, so I suspect you're missing something 00.05.53 # Not all themes use a full backdrop image of course 00.06.13 # backdrop here is 1,5MB (and it's mostly black), but storage space isn't critical at all 00.07.00 # anyways, is there a way to use a progressbar on .SBS that reacts on touch? 00.07.04 # RiD: you can probably get rid of most of it then, and just use the backdrop layer 00.07.39 # gevaerts yeah, but it's no issue and the theme is still at the early stages :P 00.07.54 # soap: for my medieval theme, savings would be around half a megabyte 00.08.09 # So this probably would be worth it for theme hoarders 00.08.12 # yea, I'm missing .zip 00.08.26 # Not for people who just install the theme they use though, I'd say 00.11.03 # actually it's a bit pity that the theme website requires PNG while themes use BMP and the UI sim takes screenshots in BMP. 00.17.05 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 00.28.46 Quit esperegu (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.29.18 Join esperegu [0] (~quassel@ip-213-124-221-122.ip.prioritytelecom.net) 00.36.55 Quit esperegu (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.38.15 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~d9ee9888@www.haxx.se) 00.40.07 Join esperegu [0] (~quassel@ip-213-124-221-122.ip.prioritytelecom.net) 00.46.43 Quit esperegu (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.47.13 Join esperegu [0] (~quassel@ip-213-124-221-122.ip.prioritytelecom.net) 00.48.20 # is there a way to create a shortcut to WPS in SBS, using touch areas? 00.48.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.54.13 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0/20130320062118]) 01.07.34 Quit liar (Remote host closed the connection) 01.18.28 Quit Raptors (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.21.31 # <[Saint]> RiD: iirc, the 'menu' touch area should go back to the screen it came from if you're already in the menu 01.21.52 # <[Saint]> this behavior may have changed though, or, I could be entirely wrong and it never existed :) 01.22.23 # menu touch area? i think i know what you mean with that. I think it only goes back to the previous one 01.22.43 # <[Saint]> the 'browse' touch area either does, or used to (or again, I imagined it) behave the same way. 01.22.53 # http://i53.tinypic.com/2mxr4es.png - is the "menu" touch area the one that says Rockboxd? 01.23.03 # and it says different things depending on the area 01.23.11 # <[Saint]> I have no way of telling from a screenshot. 01.23.48 # "browse" doesn't react on SBS, by the way 01.23.55 # <[Saint]> But, yeah - there's no "go to the wps" touch area. It would be trivial to add, though. 01.24.11 # <[Saint]> also, yeah it does. 01.24.40 # "yeah it does" what are you referring to? Sorry, got a little bit confused 01.24.52 # <[Saint]> browse, works in the .sbs 01.25.44 Join Raptors [0] (~whoneedsa@216-58-33-203.cpe.distributel.net) 01.27.04 # not here, lol 01.27.31 # <[Saint]> Well, I'll rephrase that - it _should_, it definitely used to, and I have code lurking around that suggests I was using it myself - ...but, things break/change. 01.28.59 # I see. Well, I'll be fine without that 01.29.06 # better than no rockbox at all 01.30.13 # <[Saint]> What target are you working with? 800x480 landscape if the exif data isn't lying to me. 01.30.16 # <[Saint]> Odd. 01.30.40 # yes. I'm using rockbox as an application on Nokia N900, so it's not even official builds 01.30.51 # <[Saint]> Looks like my font too. Nice. 01.31.34 # DroidSans? 01.31.50 # <[Saint]> Yeppers. There's a blast from the past. 01.32.42 # <[Saint]> There's another (slightly tidier) set available through the extras page - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/30204410/Rockbox%20as%20an%20Application/Font%20Pack/font-pack.zip 01.33.22 # <[Saint]> Ubuntu and GNU Unifont antialiased fonts, in rather large sizes. (up to 52pt iirc). 01.33.44 # 32 is somewhere around the sweet spot for this screen :P 01.33.53 # and thanks for the link, that's welcome 01.34.06 # <[Saint]> Not a problem. 01.36.36 # you should try a larger icon set with that font : 01.37.00 # not one of my pictures :P 01.37.18 # I see :) 01.37.29 # but yeah - i'm using the same icon set 01.37.39 # ^^ 01.37.51 # <[Saint]> if you are interested, there's larger icons based on the Tango! iconset in the source. 01.38.23 # <[Saint]> http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=tree;f=icons;h=4ebecf96168c5b1b4dce9afee4d9e71a0db22a7b;hb=HEAD 01.39.01 # <[Saint]> 32x32 is as high as we have in the source, but there is also a script to convert an icon-strip of arbitrary size. 01.39.26 # if some sort of vector image is given - right? 01.39.49 # resizing a .bmp wouldn't be pretty :P 01.40.01 # <[Saint]> yes, it will pull from the tango svg sources. 01.40.18 # <[Saint]> there's SVG images for the icons used in the source tree as well. 01.40.39 # vector images.. now that would have been quite something for cabbiev2 :D 01.42.18 # <[Saint]> you can just convert the svg to a bitmap with transparency and it will "just work" as well, if you don't want to bother with the (kinda hacky) script. 01.42.28 # This is how it currently looks: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1536586/N900/rockbox/screenshots/Screenshot-20130323-004137.png 01.42.38 # <[Saint]> Rockbox has accepted bitmaps with true transparency for some time now. 01.42.47 # <[Saint]> No need for nasty fuschia anymore. 01.42.57 # i used that for the white buttons 01.43.29 # <[Saint]> Ohhhhhhh - that looks quite cool. Nice. 01.43.39 # I like that 01.44.02 # clean and simple 01.44.11 # i'm going to release it once i finish everything. Might have to change the icons though - these are from the stock media player 01.44.21 # i mean, the play etc buttons 01.44.30 # not that i would get sued for that, they're pretty simple 01.44.41 # <[Saint]> The only thing I would do to that is shift the text in the line selector a little, so it isn't hard up against the left side of the selector. 01.44.58 # <[Saint]> But, that would require drawing the lists with the skin engine. 01.45.30 # i'm still pretty much new around rockbox theming, but i will later take a look at how other skins do it 01.45.42 # i don't really like the text position either 01.45.45 Quit esperegu (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.47.14 # yeah. that would be a great improvement. with tiny fonts you get away with it being stuck to the left side of the bar, but as screens and fonts get bigger it just looks awkward 01.47.44 # but then - what would i display before the text? 01.47.49 # it would look empty too :P 01.48.47 # empty or tidy? 01.49.31 # leave that for later, don't overwhelm me :( 01.50.19 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@207.144.56.254) 01.50.19 Quit Strife89 (Client Quit) 01.50.38 # i haven't even touched the WPS yet 01.50.44 # designing stuff can be such a headache ^^ 01.50.52 # touch* 01.51.17 # touched* english fart 01.52.02 # i wanted to incorporate a seekbar in SBS but i feel like it is quite useless if i can't use it 01.52.10 # <[Saint]> example of shifting the text with skinned lists: 01.52.12 # <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/qPadAjLc 01.52.41 # <[Saint]> replace the UI viewport size, and W,H with the UI viewport width, height, and you're done. 01.53.02 # <[Saint]> also, replace the gradient colors and foreground color to draw the gradient line selector. 01.53.15 # <[Saint]> ...its an example to work from, at least. 01.53.58 # if possible, an image instead of a gradient would be nice, so that i could add noise to it and reduce the banding effect :P 01.54.24 # <[Saint]> It is /possible/, but it greatly complicates things. 01.54.28 # would look cool if the icons were placed on the gradient line selector, too 01.54.55 # <[Saint]> that is trivial. 01.55.40 # <[Saint]> [13:52:04] i wanted to incorporate a seekbar in SBS but i feel like it is quite useless if i can't use it <-- what do you mean by this? 01.55.54 # <[Saint]> You sould be able to do a progressbar on the .sbs just fine. 01.56.05 # It shows the progressbar, but i can't "seek" with it 01.56.13 # so it's only visual 01.56.32 # <[Saint]> are you trying to use the ffwd/rrwd touch areas? 01.56.42 # <[Saint]> ...'cos, that won't work. 01.56.52 # <[Saint]> But, you can just seek with the bar itself. 01.56.55 # i noticed that too, but no, i tried progressbar 01.57.01 # <[Saint]> Weird. 01.57.05 # <[Saint]> JdGordon: ^ 01.57.11 # progressbar touch area*. it doesn't work without it either 01.57.51 # <[Saint]> it isn't documented I don't think, but, progressbars set up their own touch areas now. 01.57.51 # <[Saint]> So, it should "just work". 01.58.25 # <[Saint]> ANd it _should_ work inside the .sbs also, but, I'll take your word for it that it doesn't. 01.58.25 # should :P 01.58.38 # <[Saint]> You've got this far, so I'll assume you know what you're doing ;) 01.59.38 # The builds are not official and something could have gotten broken on the porting 02.00.00 # but then i'd expect for general buttons to not work either 02.00.09 # <[Saint]> Our 'skin engine guy' selfishly went and got married, and works for a living...so, we'll have to beat him with large sticks. 02.00.27 # <[Saint]> :) 02.00.28 # i got a nokia 3310 somewhere 02.00.32 # might use it as brick 02.01.38 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@72.25.61.20) 02.02.30 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 02.05.06 # [Saint] that code shows one line only. How can I make it to show more? 02.07.23 # <[Saint]> Hummm...this might be some weirdness with the maemo port. It should fill the UI viewport with as many lines as can fit. 02.07.36 # could be 02.07.50 # if i scroll, the line changes text 02.08.56 # <[Saint]> it should draw as many "foo, width, height" lines as it can fit in the UI viewport. 02.17.21 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@host181-25-dynamic.247-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 02.18.30 # oh also, is %T playlist action supposed to work on SBS? 02.18.58 # <[Saint]> Yes. 02.19.06 # Another thing that doesn't work, lol 02.19.27 # * [Saint] apparently has a lot of things to test this afternoon. 02.19.57 # oh you're in a very different timezone. I'm going to sleep in a few mins 02.20.13 # (01:19) 02.20.47 # <[Saint]> 14:20 Sat - 23 - Mar 02.23.23 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 02.24.11 # <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/8P3eBcKe woks as intended for me 02.24.38 # <[Saint]> (just for lists, not icons, icons would be added using the same method) 02.25.09 # <[Saint]> works, too. 02.26.33 # <[Saint]> it looks a lot more complicated that in is: the %cs<|...|> conditional block is just needed to tell the .sbs not to try drawing a list in screens where we don't want/need lists drawn. 02.26.46 Quit kadoban (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 02.29.15 # LOL. I see why it didn't work 02.29.41 # i set the height of each one to 480... ofc it wouldn't fit more than one 02.29.56 # <[Saint]> Aha :) 02.30.13 # i guess some sort of "smooth" scrolling isn't supported? 02.30.43 # <[Saint]> Come again? 02.30.54 # what? 02.31.07 # <[Saint]> What is "smooth scrolling"? 02.31.26 # ever used an android phone or any other touch phone? 02.31.57 # when you scroll through the contacts, they move pixel by pixel 02.32.33 # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9eDkhHdNLI 02.32.54 # not the best video but you get the idea 02.33.00 # <[Saint]> Yeah, sure, but I'm not sure to what you are referring exactly. Our scrolling should work silimarly - with the exception that it will jump to the item youplace your finger on when you start scrolling. 02.34.15 # well, when i scroll using your code, it isn't smooth. You only see the text changing, line by line 02.35.18 # <[Saint]> Odd. 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 13.35.18 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 14.07.16 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~d9eeb951@www.haxx.se) 14.10.12 Join esperegu_ [0] (~quassel@ip-213-124-221-122.ip.prioritytelecom.net) 14.12.55 Quit esperegu (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 14.17.45 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 14.43.00 Join MarcAndersen [0] (~no_znep@2-105-65-188-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net) 14.47.51 # Hi. I just got a Sony Nwz-s755 walkman and I would like to know if it will be supported by rockbox? It is listed on the sony nw wiki page but I can't find the target status. 14.48.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.50.07 # MarcAndersen: It isn't supported, and is only likely to be so if an interested owner does the work 14.50.09 # MarcAndersen: i've began some preliminary work on the nwz but no port has begu 14.50.09 # n 14.50.29 # Or pamaury gets bored again :) 14.50.50 # if your nwz can be connected as UMS and your are running linux, you can try to run the tool I wrote, it will tell you if you can hope or not 14.51.18 # I think I ported it to windows, don't remember 14.51.45 # I do have a cd of vinux 3.0.2 based on ubuntu 10.4.4 I think 14.52.06 # AlexP: well, I've done a fair bit of reverse engineering on my nwz-e463 already ^^ 14.52.21 # MarcAndersen: does it connected in mass storage or MTP under windows ? 14.52.56 # Currently it is shown as a media player called walkman 14.53.37 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 14.53.51 # hum, that's MTP I think :( I don't know how to send commands to nwz in mtp mode. If you are willing to, please boot under Linux, make sure that it connects in mass storage mode 14.54.36 # there is a UMS driver trick for Windows too, no? 14.54.42 # well I would need to disconnect from irc then. How can I get in contact with you? 14.55.09 # lebellium: is there ? I don't know windows at all 14.55.39 # MarcAndersen: by email, see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AmauryPouly 14.56.05 # MarcAndersen: btw, was it you who asked me about the ZEN X-Fi a while ago ? 14.56.41 # I remember reading on generationmp3 or anythingbutipod that there was a trick, at least on some Sony models, to force UMS on Windows by manually installing a driver. I look for the information again 14.57.11 # thanks. I will boot linux and connect it and then send you the answer. And yes, it was, i don't have my hands on it again before the start of april. 14.57.37 # I've make some progress on it, I hope to get it ported pretty soon 14.57.53 # really? that player is great! 14.58.38 # But as i am blind I won't mess a lot with firmware before you get a self installing thing out 14.59.51 # sure 15.00.31 # could you contact me when/if you get a test port out for the x-fi or the nwz? 15.00.49 # ok 15.01.05 # thanks 15.01.29 # pamaury: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?p=288488&postcount=17 15.02.05 # and the following posts 15.02.13 # I don't know if it works for all MTP walkman though 15.02.44 # interesting, I think I directed a walkman user to that thread some time ago and it didn't work but I'm not 100% sure he followed the instructions precisely 15.03.33 # I think porting rockbox to the nwz isn't hard since it would be rockbox as an application, that I did all the heavy reverse engineer (I think) and so on, but I don't have the time. if only kugel had more time ^^ 15.04.37 # Ask lorenzo to buy a NWZ, he's familiar with RaaA now ahaha 15.04.42 Join Wardo [0] (~Mirandaha@bpb01-1-88-162-4-186.fbx.proxad.net) 15.05.09 # lebellium: he is porting rockbox to the YP-Z5 and working on stmp3600 with me, so no ^^ 15.05.57 # but he's the only one who did RaaA on a normal player (not Android or so) AFAIK? 15.10.50 # I think so...maybe after the YP-Z5 15.11.07 # and after YP-R1 :) 15.11.47 # we could also do a "normal" port the NWZ, there are using the em1 soc for which I got the documentation but it will be longer and more error prone (bricking), I already unbricked my nwz twice when experimenting 15.11.55 # *they 15.12.57 Quit esperegu_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.13.24 # I don't see much disadvantage of RaaA on YP-R0, even concerns about battery life vs normal port are partly gone 15.13.36 Join esperegu [0] (~quassel@ip-213-124-221-122.ip.prioritytelecom.net) 15.14.11 # so I assume RaaA on Walkman would be great as well 15.17.48 Join RiD [0] (GhostRider@bl22-34-147.dsl.telepac.pt) 15.24.18 # pamaury: ? 15.24.52 # I was filling your free time :) 15.25.13 # I saw :) How can I help with that port? 15.25.25 # doing it ? ;) 15.25.40 # heh! YP-R0 port is not finished kugel! \o/ 15.26.58 # haha. Seriously, if you have free time again one day and want to do some port, I think the sony nwz are a good candidate 15.27.07 # pamaury: hehe. I dont have it though 15.38.22 Quit esperegu (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.39.03 Join esperegu [0] (~quassel@ip-213-124-221-122.ip.prioritytelecom.net) 15.48.21 Quit Raptors (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 15.50.28 Quit MarcAndersen (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 15.56.19 Quit esperegu (Remote host closed the connection) 16.02.06 Join sakax [0] (~sakax@d8D862D2D.access.telenet.be) 16.06.26 Join esperegu [0] (~quassel@ip-213-124-221-122.ip.prioritytelecom.net) 16.15.35 Join onyxice [0] (~Onyx@nat.mtp.cmsinter.net) 16.23.01 Quit esperegu (Read error: Operation timed out) 16.25.13 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@host181-25-dynamic.247-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 16.35.35 Quit krabador (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 16.37.02 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: CGI:IRC) 16.39.04 # anyone know what player "Support for gmini ATA interface" might refer to? (r5622, in 2005) 16.39.37 # the gmini: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archos_Gmini_series 16.39.56 # oh :) 16.40.11 # i guess i coudl have found that ;) 16.40.30 # i'm not sure what to do with check_registers 16.40.34 # it's tempting to just remove it 16.40.42 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@host71-121-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 16.40.43 # but i have no idea why it was done in the first place 16.41.19 # possibly some of the archoses benefited from our ata driver waiting for this indicator of readiness before continuing boot :) 16.42.01 # the gmini port never went very far due to its annoying specs, including a 16bit cpu 16.42.11 # hm 16.42.32 # So, yeah. the original version of the ata driver, from the beginning of time, wrote values to the regsiters and then expected tor ead them back 16.42.44 # that commit for the gmini changed it to retry 64 times with 1 tick intervals 16.42.51 # which suggests that on that device it *didn't work* the first time 16.43.04 # it also doesn't work on this SATA adapter 16.43.09 # but it *never* works, even if you retry :) 16.43.39 # i guess it's unlikely anyone will be sad if i break an unfinished port 16.48.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.50.18 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@72.25.61.20) 16.54.48 # it can be added back later if someone works on it (i.e. never i guess) 16.55.01 # well, it's been there so long that it's possible some other port was also depending on it 16.55.11 # the original version tried once and then just failed ata_init if it didn't work 16.55.18 # so the original archoses must not have had a problem with it 16.55.27 # but everything since 2005 has had 64 retries before aborting :) 16.56.15 # * Torne retests disk access on the ipod now that he's restored the fs in itunes. 17.00.17 # Huh. No partition found :) 17.00.38 # interesting. 17.09.44 Join stoffel_ [0] (~quassel@pD9E430F5.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.10.10 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 17.17.34 Join Raptors [0] (~whoneedsa@216-58-33-203.cpe.distributel.net) 17.24.48 Join kadoban [0] (~kadoban@ip98-165-177-158.ph.ph.cox.net) 17.39.15 # yeah, this disk is just unreliable as hell in rockbox, despite working perfectly in teh OF 17.39.18 # weiiird 17.39.25 # it doesn't even manage to read the ATA IDENTIFY info correctly 17.39.33 # the model name is corrupted :/ 17.46.05 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@pD9E41DA9.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.46.31 Quit stoffel_ (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 18.00.56 Join froggyman [0] (~me@dhcp-155-92-103-232.nebula.msoe.edu) 18.00.56 Quit froggyman (Changing host) 18.00.56 Join froggyman [0] (~me@unaffiliated/froggyman) 18.28.05 Quit onyxice (Remote host closed the connection) 18.34.25 Join stoffel_ [0] (~quassel@pD9E41578.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.35.10 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 18.38.36 # Torne: Is it (likely to be) that the OF just doesn't check? 18.41.21 Join onyxice [0] (~Onyx@nat.mtp.cmsinter.net) 18.42.24 # or perhaps our ATA transport layer has a bug 18.48.27 Quit onyxice (Quit: There's no place like 127.0.0.1) 18.48.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.54.40 Join SuperBrainAK [0] (~Andy@97-124-79-12.phnx.qwest.net) 18.56.49 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 19.04.12 Quit RiD (Quit: Zip!) 19.17.12 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@pD9E42BAE.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.18.14 Quit stoffel_ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 19.30.30 Join dhrasmus [0] (~dhrasmus@173-23-110-189.client.mchsi.com) 19.34.33 Quit akaWolf (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 19.35.09 Join pretty_function [0] (~sigBART@123.252.214.196) 19.39.19 Quit dhrasmus (Quit: Leaving) 19.41.44 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 19.42.06 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@72.25.61.20) 19.43.43 Join RiD [0] (GhostRider@2.83.34.147) 20.02.55 Join esperegu [0] (~quassel@ip-213-124-221-122.ip.prioritytelecom.net) 20.03.57 Quit pretty_function (Remote host closed the connection) 20.08.33 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 20.15.05 Quit esperegu (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.18.13 Join esperegu [0] (~quassel@ip-213-124-221-122.ip.prioritytelecom.net) 20.19.32 Quit kevku (Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) 20.49.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.51.15 Join onyxice [0] (~Onyx@nat.mtp.cmsinter.net) 21.06.08 Join darkham_ [0] (~krabador@95.238.177.131) 21.06.57 Quit darkham_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.07.06 Join krabador_ [0] (~krabador@95.238.177.131) 21.07.59 Quit krabador (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 21.08.22 Quit krabador_ (Client Quit) 21.08.34 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@95.238.177.131) 21.10.42 Quit krabador (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.10.54 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@95.238.177.131) 21.11.09 Quit melmothX (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 21.12.57 Quit krabador (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.13.06 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@95.238.177.131) 21.13.25 Join melmothX [0] (~melmoth@unaffiliated/melmothx) 21.14.39 Quit krabador (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.15.23 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@95.238.177.131) 21.16.13 Quit krabador (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.19.21 Quit esperegu (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.19.25 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@95.238.177.131) 21.21.27 Quit krabador (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.26.28 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 21.26.39 # hi 21.32.17 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@host12-14-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 21.32.37 Quit krabador (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.33.10 Quit onyxice (Quit: There's no place like 127.0.0.1) 21.33.20 Quit kadoban (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 21.34.22 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.36.43 Join esperegu [0] (~quassel@ip-213-124-221-122.ip.prioritytelecom.net) 21.38.46 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@host61-175-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 21.39.40 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@95-42-29-48.btc-net.bg) 21.43.07 Quit krabador (Client Quit) 21.43.20 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@host61-175-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 21.44.26 Quit krabador (Remote host closed the connection) 21.44.34 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@host61-175-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 21.47.29 Join Guinness` [0] (Slayer@c-68-55-111-159.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 21.47.29 Quit Guinness (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.47.30 Nick Guinness` is now known as Guinness (Slayer@c-68-55-111-159.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 21.50.53 # AlexP: no, looks like random transfers are corrupt, even with DMA turned off, and even such basic stuff as IDENTIFY. The diagmode image returns the righ tidentify info, but we get a scrambled model name even when it boots 21.51.02 # and it frequently decides its partition table is invalid because it got a scrambled sector 0 21.51.06 # but it's not consistent 21.51.23 # nice 21.51.25 # if i shuffle the code around to change the timing it suddenly starts booting, but all the bitmaps it loads are corrupt 21.51.33 # and writing to the FAT usually makes it panic 21.51.51 # you can get itt o playing audio, but i think all the transfers are fucked anyway and it's just harder to notice with audio data :/ 21.52.15 # which ipod is this? 21.52.28 # ipodvideo with a mSATA SSD in an IDE converter 21.52.47 # the converter (or the ssd) appears to be shonky garbage 21.52.52 # but the OF has absolutely zero issues :/ 21.53.06 # i can do huge transfers over usb with zero errors in the OF 21.53.19 # and diagmode tells me all the right disk info 21.53.22 # but we can barely boot. 21.53.23 # buschel worked on some RAM (IIRC) timing issues WRT my ipod Nano, showed up as ATA errors when the unit got hot... 21.53.31 # hmmm 21.53.58 # I was able to force the errors consistently by heating the unit, and consistently prevent them by cooling it... 21.54.06 # i thought i'd fixed it by killing check_registers() which basically always fails 21.54.24 # but that was apparently just a time when it happened to get a valid mbr 21.54.25 # maybe neither here nor there, but don't the Nano 1st gen and Video share much hardware? 21.54.38 # yeah, they are both pp5020 21.54.44 # and use ata/etc 21.55.01 # hm actually 21.55.04 # though maybe that converter is just a filthy piece of cobbled together strings and chewing gum. 21.55.10 # if you asssume it's something other than the disk/converter itself 21.55.13 # soap: didn't that failure mode require DMA? 21.55.18 # the battery level on this unit appears to behave very badly 21.55.32 # at least the one displayed in rockbox 21.55.38 # it frequently seems to show that it's badly discharged 21.55.39 # gevaerts, Now that you mention it I believe it did - but it's been so long and my memory is so bad... 21.55.43 # when i'm pretty sure it's not. 21.55.51 # yeah, i turned DMA off on this to elimiate that as a cause 21.55.54 # doesn't make any difference 21.56.51 Join webguest62 [0] (~4cab2144@www.haxx.se) 21.56.58 # i wonder if the battery is screwed 21.57.10 # marginal power affeting the drive/converter? 21.57.38 # the thing is, there are several people on the forums who have similar mSATA SSDs in similar adapters (but not necessarily the same) and they all have the same problems 21.58.50 Quit webguest62 (Client Quit) 21.59.34 # i'll have another play with it tomorrow maybe 21.59.38 # but for now i am bored/stumped ;) 22.12.21 Quit sakax (Quit: Leaving) 22.15.12 # re: saving bandwidth on the server 22.16.29 # [Saint] was bitching about 4 KiB, but the theme site doesn't compress HTML with gzip, and doesn't give caching instructions 22.16.52 # the Fuze+ theme page is 102 KiB 22.17.10 # by gzipping, you could reduce it to 14 KiB 22.17.33 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:27:773:0:feed:c0f:fee) 22.17.35 # and by setting a cache timeout to something sane, you could save a little bit more 22.18.20 # and of course, not only will that save bandwidth on the server, it will also make the page render faster on the client 22.19.01 # www.rockbox.org does use gzip 22.19.17 # no caching instructions though 22.19.30 Quit krabador (Changing host) 22.19.30 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 22.20.36 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 22.26.06 Quit krabador (Quit: Sto andando via) 22.26.42 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 22.30.57 Quit esperegu (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22.31.35 Join B4gd3r [0] (~daniel@178.174.211.174) 22.34.16 Quit B4gder (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 22.34.42 # can somebody recall me what is the recording monitor and what audiohw_set_monitor does ? 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