--- Log for 27.05.113 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 9 days and 21 hours ago 00.01.30 Quit y4n (Quit: AMIGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAA) 00.02.09 Quit bertrik (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.04.12 Join SuperBrainAK_ [0] (~Andreas@67-42-39-78.phnx.qwest.net) 00.04.51 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 00.06.18 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 00.07.05 Quit SuperBrainAK (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00.09.31 Quit salty-horse (Quit: Leaving) 00.15.52 Quit zoktar (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 00.19.43 Join zoktar [0] (~zoktar@unaffiliated/zoktar) 00.19.50 Join superbrainak [0] (~Andreas@97-124-95-246.phnx.qwest.net) 00.21.11 Quit SuperBrainAK_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.23.17 # Is it normal that the link to "patches" on left side is different from the home page and from the forums? 00.23.56 # No 00.24.05 # <[Saint]> No. An oversite, I would guess. 00.24.08 # It means someone forgot to change something at some point 00.24.16 # * [Saint] blames gevaerts 00.24.50 Join SuperBrainAK_ [0] (~Andreas@67-42-37-109.phnx.qwest.net) 00.25.20 # It's also different from the themes page 00.25.41 Quit zoktar (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00.26.31 # there are still recent (2013) patches in the old tracker so I don't really understand 00.26.45 # can it still be used? 00.26.56 # Yes. It's still the expected place for translations 00.27.00 # <[Saint]> Technically, yes. Should it be? No. 00.27.10 # (because we don't expect a local git checkout for those) 00.27.19 Join zoktar [0] (~zoktar@78-72-46-85-no186.tbcn.telia.com) 00.27.19 Quit zoktar (Changing host) 00.27.19 Join zoktar [0] (~zoktar@unaffiliated/zoktar) 00.27.20 Quit superbrainak (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 00.27.33 # <[Saint]> gevaerts: I thought translations were to be handled via the ml now? 00.28.09 # [Saint]: maybe there's been one on the ml 00.28.14 # Most are still on flyspray 00.28.20 Join SuperBrainAK [0] (~Andreas@97-124-72-178.phnx.qwest.net) 00.28.30 # And I don't see anything wrong with that, to be honest :) 00.30.11 # so for translations, from the home page we should click first on "bugs" and then on "patches"? That's a bit confusing. 00.30.44 Quit SuperBrainAK_ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 00.30.58 Join old [0] (~steam412@188.134.60.14) 00.32.25 # <[Saint]> That was why I thought the ML was the preferred method now. 00.32.55 # <[Saint]> I thought that flyspray wasn't supposed to be accepting patches anymore, but, it seems there's some disagreement there. 00.33.00 # sound setting hight frequency her can do max in 12 dB 00.33.13 # Tell plz about this setting 00.33.32 # ask because if i lidten music in foobar in pc 00.33.50 Quit SuperBrainAK (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.33.51 # my hight frequency not that hight how in rockbox 00.34.25 # in foobar higt frequency that 00.34.46 # * [Saint] parse fails 00.34.50 # how if in rockbox in setting hight frequency do 5-6 dB 00.34.52 Join SuperBrainAK [0] (~Andreas@97-124-64-202.phnx.qwest.net) 00.36.57 Join SuperBrainAK_ [0] (~Andreas@97-124-76-52.phnx.qwest.net) 00.40.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.40.26 Quit SuperBrainAK (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.41.04 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130521223249]) 00.41.04 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@62.83.50.196.dyn.user.ono.com) 00.44.20 Quit krnlyng (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 00.45.53 Join superbrainak [0] (~Andreas@97-124-89-245.phnx.qwest.net) 00.48.41 Quit SuperBrainAK_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.57.32 Quit superbrainak (Quit: pbly gone to sleep (-.-)Zzz...) 01.04.03 Quit amiconn (Remote host closed the connection) 01.04.03 Quit pixelma (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.04.04 Part old 01.05.12 Join pixelma [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 01.05.12 Join amiconn [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 01.10.24 Quit ender` (Quit: How many SEO experts does it take to change a light bulb, lightbulb, light, bulb, lamp, lighting, switch, sex, xxx, hardcore) 01.12.07 Quit saratoga (Quit: Page closed) 01.28.48 Quit ender^ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 01.31.27 Quit Cultist (Quit: et tu, znc?) 01.34.12 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 01.41.32 Join thegeek [0] (~thegeek@40.200.16.62.customer.cdi.no) 01.41.56 Join ender^ [0] (~ender1@2a01:260:4094:1:42:42:42:42) 01.42.06 Join JdGordon [0] (3a601b9e@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.44.11 Quit thegeek_ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 01.57.46 # <[Saint]> JdGordon: IS there any way you can think of to be able to discern what type of item a list item is in skinned lists? 01.58.00 # <[Saint]> Be it a list item, a directory, a file...etc. 01.58.05 # only by the icon 01.58.37 # <[Saint]> Hmmm. Well, that won't do. Bums. 01.59.56 # i could possily add some helpers 02.01.57 # <[Saint]> It isn't important. I was just wondering if there was something obvious I was missing. 02.02.27 # <[Saint]> I didn't want to rely on the icon numbers, as they are weirdly used. 02.02.48 # in the file browser you're safe going off the icon 02.02.58 # folder == directory, anything else == file 02.04.25 # <[Saint]> I would also like some other slight magic...but, then...I always do. 02.04.50 # <[Saint]> Ideally I would like to be able to tell if a directory has subdirs or not, but that is very, very, very low on the list. 02.06.15 # that would be difficult 02.06.19 # <[Saint]> The whole thing is basically irrelevant. I was just wondering if there was something obvious I was missing. 02.07.13 # <[Saint]> To do what I want to be able to do with the icon numbers alone not only would provide some false positives due to icons being used inconsistently, but the conditional statement would be fucking insane. 02.07.36 # <[Saint]> ..and, that is *me* saying it would be insane, so Average Joe would probably die if they looked at it. 02.07.44 # <[Saint]> :P 02.08.49 # <[Saint]> So, by no means rush off and start whipping anything up. I can do what I want to do already, I was just wondering if there was a better way or something I was missing. 02.14.48 Quit JdGordon (Quit: Page closed) 02.40.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.44.17 Quit Lynx_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 02.45.45 Join Lynx_ [0] (~bayer@109.171.130.211) 03.47.55 Nick JdGordon| is now known as JdGordon (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 04.06.37 Join SuperBrainAK [0] (~Andreas@97-124-81-187.phnx.qwest.net) 04.11.47 Quit pixelma (Read error: Operation timed out) 04.12.09 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.12.09 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.12.11 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.12.56 Join pixelma [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.18.25 Join ikeboy [0] (~435622d3@www.haxx.se) 04.20.33 # Does anyone know what still needs to be done for the wikipedia plugin to make it into base? 04.21.51 # <[Saint]> ikeboy: at this stage, it needs to be completely re-written. 04.21.57 # <[Saint]> As-is, it'll never make it in. 04.22.08 # <[Saint]> Authorship, and thus licensing, is in question. 04.22.20 # <[Saint]> so...as is, it'll never make it in. 04.23.25 # <[Saint]> It almost certainly needs quite a lot of work to even get it to compile against git HEAD. 04.23.40 # <[Saint]> That patch is *ancient*. 04.24.11 # That's not correct I've using it on a fuze+ with almost no edits 04.24.51 # I just added the usual viewers.config and CATEGORIES 04.25.47 # Should I make an updated patch against git HEAD 04.33.50 # <[Saint]> If you want to...but I'm not sure how much point there is in updating patches that have no chance of being accepted. 04.34.34 # Can you be more specific about why it won't be excepted? I'll put some work into it. 04.34.44 # accepted 04.38.22 # the 01 April 2012 patch looks pretty good, although not all of the headers have the author's listed 04.38.40 # <[Saint]> ikeboy: authorship, as I said. 04.38.46 # <[Saint]> No real name(s), no commit. 04.39.07 # <[Saint]> It is unclear how many authors contributed, and what the real names are. 04.39.55 # <[Saint]> If we ever wanted to change the license, we...well, we basically couldn't. Contacting the authors we *do* know the real names of would already be a nightmare. 04.40.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.40.40 # <[Saint]> I doubt the license will ever change, but that is just one issue. The primary one is that there is a real name policy. 04.40.48 # freqmod is one of the opus developers and has committed a lot of patches, so that shouldn't be a problem 04.40.56 # were there any other issues? 04.41.08 # <[Saint]> I seem to recall it being unclear if he was the sole author. 04.41.27 # <[Saint]> I'd need to go digging through the ML. 04.42.26 # <[Saint]> I have a vague memory of bits and pieces of it being taken from other projects and that author information not being retained. 04.44.54 # ah ok 04.45.22 # i didn't read the whole thing 04.45.54 # does it work on most targets (e.g. has button mappings)? also i guess a manual entry might be nice with a couple sentences explaining how it works 04.51.49 # Looking at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755 , the authers are freqmod, Adam Gashlin, Matthias Larisch, some "Fed", almargo, Frank Gevaerts, Thomas Schott, Robert Kukla, Maurus Cuelenaere, someone "G.P." ,Jerry Chapman, Robin Bertram ,Looking at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755 , the authers are freqmod, Adam Gashlin, Matthias Larisch, some "Fed", almargo, Frank Gevaerts, Thomas Schott, Robert Kukla, Maurus Cuelenaere, someone "G.P." ,Jerry Ch 04.52.29 # sorry for the triple list it took a long time to type and it must have pasted over 04.53.22 # This was the original: Looking at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755 , the authers are freqmod, Adam Gashlin, Matthias Larisch, some "Fed", almargo, Frank Gevaerts, Thomas Schott, Robert Kukla, Maurus Cuelenaere, someone "G.P." ,Jerry Chapman, Robin Bertram, Rosso Maltese, and some "Christoph". 04.54.25 # <[Saint]> Yeah - see the obvious partial or alias names there? 04.54.35 # <[Saint]> Simply isn't acceptable. 04.54.40 # do all of those people actually have code in the final patch? 04.55.01 # Does anyone know how many are in the rockbox project ? 04.55.20 # <[Saint]> ikeboy: the credits do. 04.55.33 # Oh boy! 04.55.51 # <[Saint]> roughly 300 or so individual authors and several projects comprising of of people greater than 1. 04.56.41 # I meant out of the list I posted 04.57.10 # So the others are all I/we have to contact 04.57.15 # <[Saint]> I can see at least four. 04.58.12 # <[Saint]> The alternative is to re-write the section(s) where authorship is in contention. 04.59.51 # fed looks like the main developer who is unknown 04.59.57 # i guess email him and ask for his name 05.03.10 # His email address is fed@perceptiveart.com and if you visit perceptiveart.com name Federico Sanchez is on the front page. I'll bet we have a name. 05.12.32 # <[Saint]> That isn't him giving permission, though. 05.12.53 # <[Saint]> Finding the name isn't really as important as getting the permission to include ther work under that name. 05.13.03 # <[Saint]> If he says no, then...its a no. 05.14.17 # If they post their work to a public forum, isn't that a implied permission? 05.14.41 # <[Saint]> Not as far as I am aware. 05.25.58 Quit ikeboy (Quit: CGI:IRC) 05.31.48 Quit TheSphinX^ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 05.33.16 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (~briehl@p5DD4578E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 05.54.33 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 05.54.42 Join [7] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.01.59 Quit dfkt (Disconnected by services) 06.02.01 Join dfkt_ [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 06.15.33 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 06.16.43 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/user/saint) 06.34.36 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 06.34.42 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 06.37.25 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 06.38.43 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g226071232.adsl.alicedsl.de) 06.40.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.41.35 # if he posted there under the GPL than we don't exactly need his position 06.41.38 # permission 06.42.27 # <[Saint]> But are patches submitted to flyspray automagically under GPL? 06.43.27 # <[Saint]> I would assume not. 06.52.41 # they're just modifications of GPL'ed files, so they still have the headers 06.52.57 # unless someone puts a different license on them or makes new files without licenses 07.03.53 Quit saratoga__ (Quit: Page closed) 07.10.28 Join akaWolf [0] (~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf) 07.15.07 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:27:773:0:feed:c0f:fee) 07.29.11 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@nl118-168-30.student.uu.se) 07.29.11 Quit n1s (Changing host) 07.29.11 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 07.33.40 Quit n1s (Read error: Operation timed out) 07.45.03 Join mortalis [0] (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 07.49.21 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@giant.haxx.se) 07.52.28 Join melmothX [0] (~melmoth@unaffiliated/melmothx) 08.14.23 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08.26.12 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.40.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.00.56 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2a01:d0:ffff:34a::8:3) 09.04.52 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 09.14.32 Quit SuperBrainAK (Quit: pbly gone to sleep (-.-)Zzz...) 09.21.01 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@sestofw01.enea.se) 09.21.02 Quit Zagor (Changing host) 09.21.02 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.25.16 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 09.25.24 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. 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