--- Log for 03.06.113 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 16 days and 21 hours ago 00.00.10 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 00.00.29 Quit Gareth (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00.02.05 Join Gareth [0] (~gareth@2607:ff38:2:83::3) 00.04.33 Quit liar (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.06.43 # http://imageshack.us/a/img834/89/20130602233521bis.jpg my work while watching French Open today :D 00.09.05 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 00.13.25 Quit ender` (Quit: Puritanism - the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. -- Henry Mencken) 00.14.48 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 00.35.18 Quit amiconn (Remote host closed the connection) 00.35.18 Quit pixelma (Remote host closed the connection) 00.36.04 Join amiconn [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 00.36.04 Join pixelma [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 00.38.48 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 00.43.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.44.26 Join Zarggg [0] (~zarggg@24.229.140.62.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) 01.02.52 # how large are voice clips typically? 01.09.34 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130528181031]) 01.30.20 # my voice clips are between 2 and 20 kb large.. but it depends on your tts and speex encoder options 01.30.48 # most of them less than 10kb 01.31.40 # my display is broken.. thats why I had to install voice clips ;-) 01.33.24 # <[Saint]> with some languages, and batsh*t crazy quality settings, on some of the longer or harder to translate strings, ~30kb wouldn't surprise me. 01.46.32 # I still can't figure out how to invert the color of a viewport on a monochrome target (clip+) 01.47.35 # would like to try to write a patch.. I could learn a lot, still relatively new to programming 01.48.31 # <[Saint]> WHat? How do you mean "invert the color". 01.48.45 # <[Saint]> There's....blue. ANd ~6px of cyan. 01.48.49 # <[Saint]> that's your options. 01.49.42 # I mean like the Line Selector Bar 01.50.25 # I want to create a Main Menu with the Skin Engine 01.53.07 # but the skin engine doesn't allow me to switch foreground and background 01.54.18 # <[Saint]> you don't need to patch anything for that, just swap the forground and background color values for the currently selected item. 01.55.18 # works on colour or grayscale targets, but not on the clip+.. I tried 01.56.07 # <[Saint]> adding the invert param to the viewport should have the same effect, but simpler. 01.56.12 # <[Saint]> I foprgot about that. 01.56.47 # <[Saint]> You want %Vs(mode[, param]) 01.57.20 # inside the viewport? is ignored, too 02.09.42 # * [Saint] gently pokes JdGordon 02.10.00 # <[Saint]> Either one, or both, of those _should_ work, afaik. 02.10.39 # <[Saint]> Can you pastebin the failing section, just to rule out anything weird going on in your code? 02.13.51 # I'm creating a new WPS right now 02.14.37 # on the wiki it says: LCD Type Mono: no colours. tag ignored 02.15.43 # <[Saint]> Hmmmm, I thought the monochrome targets used fg/bg and had a concept of on/off. 02.16.32 # <[Saint]> That seems weird. As far as I'm aware there's no reason why invert shouldn;t work with monochrome. 02.16.56 # it works in the LCD-Settings for the whole screen 02.20.10 # <[Saint]> My apologies. It seems it doesn't work by design - and I can't speculate on why this is. I did think this was possible, but I haven't worked with monochrome or greyscale targets in a while, by choice. :) 02.25.15 # thanks a lot for your time 02.27.51 # <[Saint]> Not a problem. Sorry it wasn't more productive than "Turns out you actually can't do this, and I don't know why". 02.28.39 # <[Saint]> No doubt there's something complex I'm overlooking, but I can't tell right away why inverting a viewport or part thereof wouldn't be possible. 02.29.44 # I'm trying to understand the code.. perhaps I'll know more tomorrow 02.43.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.49.52 # [Saint]: pong 04.01.51 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.01.51 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.01.51 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.01.51 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.01.53 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.01.53 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.14.13 # hmm, can't seen to be able to unzip the ubuntu font pack 04.14.18 # seem 04.20.59 # <[Saint]> ...with which archiver? 04.21.20 # winrar, well nm, found other font packs, works just fine =) 04.21.43 # <[Saint]> Ohhhh, not entirely surprising. WinRar is a giant pile of crap. :) 04.23.16 # i could try it with unzip on this debian server... but then too lazy to move the extracted stuff back to my desktop then lol 04.23.54 # these fonts work just fine :) some pack i downloaded earlier only had 15pt fonts, needed a bit bigger ones 04.24.15 # <[Saint]> unzip works for me on debian/Ubuntu here, and 7Zip on Windows. 04.26.03 # alrightey :) 04.35.59 Quit krabador (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 04.43.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.59.20 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.59.20 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.59.20 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.59.21 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.59.23 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.59.23 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.44.57 Join TheSphinX_ [0] (~briehl@pD9FBB1BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 05.46.44 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 05.46.53 Join [7] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.48.19 Quit TheSphinX^ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 05.51.15 Quit b1101 (Remote host closed the connection) 06.05.47 Join b1101 [0] (~b@66.55.141.100) 06.16.47 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06.20.03 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 06.25.12 Join fordcars_ [0] (~irchon@modemcable048.140-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) 06.26.23 Quit fordcars_ (Remote host closed the connection) 06.38.10 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 06.40.27 Join fordcars_ [0] (~irchon@modemcable048.140-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) 06.40.37 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 06.40.57 Quit bluebrother^ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 06.41.22 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:27:773:0:feed:c0f:fee) 06.41.52 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g224237254.adsl.alicedsl.de) 06.43.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.44.33 Quit fordcars_ (Remote host closed the connection) 06.46.30 Join fordcars_ [0] (~irchon@modemcable048.140-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) 06.46.48 Quit fordcars_ (Remote host closed the connection) 06.47.04 Join fordcars_ [0] (~irchon@70.83.140.48) 06.47.51 Quit fordcars_ (Remote host closed the connection) 07.33.12 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 07.34.10 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/user/saint) 07.56.17 Join melmothX [0] (~melmoth@unaffiliated/melmothx) 08.03.11 Join akaWolf [0] (~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf) 08.11.06 Join Wardo [0] (~Mirandaha@176-120-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr) 08.17.18 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.28.41 Join ungali_mobile [0] (~yaaic@184.64.50.234) 08.28.47 Part ungali_mobile 08.29.34 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 08.29.46 Join mortalis [0] (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 08.40.03 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@giant.haxx.se) 08.43.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.54.37 Quit copper (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 08.55.48 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 08.55.54 Join fu3l [0] (~fu3l@219.89.231.174) 08.55.58 Part fu3l 08.59.50 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.00.34 Join copper [0] (~copper@unaffiliated/copper) 09.04.36 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 09.04.43 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@184.76.254.130) 09.10.00 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 09.10.41 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@184.76.254.130) 09.12.28 # gevaerts: we pretty much never call open() and close() directly in Rockbox Utility. 09.12.40 # First, we would be using fopen() / fclose(). Just for being pedantic :) 09.13.09 # and then the most file operations use Qt's file functions, which abstract all this. QFile::close() returns void, so there's nothing we can check there. 09.13.34 # the return value of close() might be missed in one of the patchers of course. I haven't checked all of them in every detail :) 09.14.28 # and getting errors back from the patchers is some kind of special issue anyway. Not all return the result in a good way. 09.15.06 # and finally, I haven't seen other software that tells me about I/O errors directly. If I had I/O errors I've always only seen them in the kernel log 09.15.10 # * bluebrother runs off now 09.15.40 Join melmothX_ [0] (~melmoth@93-137-173-12.adsl.net.t-com.hr) 09.16.58 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 09.17.44 Quit melmothX (Read error: Operation timed out) 09.19.57 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 09.27.03 Quit bertrik (Read error: Operation timed out) 09.33.13 Quit Wardo (Quit: Blarglarg) 09.48.22 Quit y4n (Quit: Assumption is the mother of all fuckups) 09.49.22 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.50.25 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 09.54.18 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 09.57.25 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 10.07.03 Quit [Saint] (Disconnected by services) 10.07.03 Join [Saint_] [0] (~saint@rockbox/user/saint) 10.15.29 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 10.19.48 # bluebrother: ping 10.32.40 # bluebrother: right. Good enough for me, I'd say 10.37.40 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 10.43.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.56.04 Quit megal0maniac_afk (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 10.57.51 Join megal0maniac_afk [0] (~megal0man@unaffiliated/megal0maniac) 11.00.00 Quit froggyman (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 11.00.30 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.01.30 # wodz: hey ! I've not seen you in some time 11.02.59 Join froggyman [0] (~froggyman@unaffiliated/froggyman) 11.04.55 # pamaury: yeah, I was away and truly disconnected :-) 11.05.04 # <[Saint_]> JdGordon: whoops...missed your highlight. 11.05.28 # <[Saint_]> is the 'invert' skinned list param expected to be non-functional in monochrome targets? 11.05.37 # <[Saint_]> If so: A brief "Why?" 11.08.17 # im going to go with "untested" 11.09.18 # <[Saint_]> Aha. My knowledge suggested to me that it was *possible*, but (especially with the skin engine) I never know if there is some deep rooted blocker preventing it, an oversight, or . 11.09.20 # <[Saint_]> Thanks. 11.09.38 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.14.56 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 11.16.13 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 11.25.15 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.31.54 Join kaputnik [0] (~kaputnik@port-92-206-68-136.dynamic.qsc.de) 11.36.38 # <[Saint_]> hmmm...rockbox.org is having a mighty tough time. 11.43.58 # load average: 0,96, 0,67, 0,58 11.44.05 # no problems from my end 11.44.40 # <[Saint_]> whoops. I should've been more precise. 11.44.46 # <[Saint_]> Errr...more correct, rather. 11.44.55 # <[Saint_]> forums.rockbox.org is having issues. 11.45.06 # oh 11.45.20 # <[Saint_]> Sorry. I forget they're not the same machine. 11.48.20 # Zagor: thanks for pushing build round results announcements. Now we need to poke bluebrother :-) 11.50.15 # yep. bluebrother: *poke* :) 11.51.08 # only the result is wrong. it says all green, but we haven't been all green for a very long time. 11.54.43 # well 11.55.10 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.57.41 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 11.59.58 # Zagor: hmm, maybe this should be my ($errors,$warnings) = $get_build_results_sth->fetchrow_array($db->quote($buildround)); ? 12.00.30 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 12.00.42 # Zagor: line 921 in rbmaster.pl 12.01.45 # or not we passed build hash in execute() earlier 12.02.48 Nick [Saint_] is now known as [Saint] (~saint@rockbox/user/saint) 12.09.25 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@184.76.254.130) 12.27.04 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.32.03 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 12.38.20 # I don't remember seeing inverting "black" and "white" on monochrome ever working, and I believe I asked somewhere in the beginning of viewports/viewport "colours" 12.42.26 # <[Saint]> line selkector is an example of it being possible, though, no? 12.43.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.07.58 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.11.00 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 13.13.07 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 13.32.00 # yes, technically it should be possible - just not implemented I guess 13.37.40 Join |akaWolf| [0] (~akaWolf@188.134.9.161) 13.37.43 Nick megal0maniac_afk is now known as megal0maniac (~megal0man@unaffiliated/megal0maniac) 13.39.06 Quit akaWolf (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 13.40.57 Quit Belzebub (Changing host) 13.40.57 Join Belzebub [0] (torrentow@unaffiliated/blown-engine) 13.40.57 Quit Belzebub (Changing host) 13.40.57 Join Belzebub [0] (torrentow@gateway/shell/sundance.i-rpg.net/x-soakrbnqrbxidvno) 13.44.02 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.49.10 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 13.57.41 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.02.42 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 14.08.31 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.12.50 Quit megal0maniac (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 14.13.17 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) 14.13.43 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 14.13.47 Join kaitsu1 [0] (~bubba@a91-152-170-133.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 14.14.35 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 14.14.48 Join megal0maniac [0] (~megal0man@unaffiliated/megal0maniac) 14.19.29 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.24.44 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 14.26.27 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 14.26.50 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@184.76.254.130) 14.31.43 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 14.41.10 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@184.76.254.130) 14.43.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.57.59 Quit robin (Quit: Verlassend) 15.04.34 Quit Zagor (Quit: Clint excited) 15.07.47 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@sestofw01.enea.se) 15.07.47 Quit Zagor (Changing host) 15.07.47 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 15.10.03 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.15.19 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 15.18.28 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 15.20.36 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 15.21.43 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/user/saint) 15.23.12 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@184.76.254.130) 15.32.08 Join alucryd [0] (~alucryd@archlinux/trusteduser/alucryd) 15.34.20 # hi guys, can anybody add me to the Wiki Users Group? Irecently pushed rbutil into our [community] repo and would like to add the info on the wiki page 15.34.37 # on Arch Linux 15.35.05 # my wiki nick is MaximeGauduin 15.39.18 # alucryd: should be done 15.40.02 # gevaerts: Thx very much, it works 15.44.02 # <[Saint]> Welcome. 15.44.50 # [Saint]: thx :) 15.45.36 # <[Saint]> Man, WikiUsersGroup is enormous now. 15.45.56 # <[Saint]> I know a lot of those accounts aren't in use still (probably), but, still. 15.46.32 # <[Saint]> I marvel at how impressive the credits/committers lists are too. Its awesome. 15.46.45 # there's a new way to do this that we should migrate to. basically it's inverted: all new registrations get added to a read-only list and we remove them to give write access. 15.47.02 # * [Saint] gets all nostalgiclike 15.47.24 # <[Saint]> Zagor: ah. that does seem a lot easier. 15.47.34 # yes 15.47.53 # <[Saint]> Is it possible to trim all users that haven't posted in N? 15.48.20 # I guess. there's no ready UI for it though. 15.53.20 # arf my theme for Nano2G is not compatible with release 3.10. I forgot the theme engine was different at the time :( 15.54.59 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.00.22 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 16.37.31 Quit mortalis (Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) 16.39.38 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 16.43.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.46.00 Nick megal0maniac is now known as megal0maniac_afk (~megal0man@unaffiliated/megal0maniac) 17.04.41 Quit Zagor (Quit: Clint excited) 17.06.38 Join olspookishmagus [0] (~pookie@ppp046177104209.access.hol.gr) 17.23.12 Quit krabador (Quit: Bah...) 17.29.09 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 17.31.47 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! 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I have little rb time lately. 19.50.04 # I thought the plan was to fix USB instead :D 19.50.20 # <[Saint]> Find out what broke it. :) 19.51.52 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 19.52.20 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 19.52.43 # nobody identified which build broke it? 19.54.05 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.54.29 # <[Saint]> I seem to recall the build where it broke being identified, but that didn't exactly correlate with the revision the breakage was introduced. I may be misremembering, though. 19.54.50 # <[Saint]> I think it was more a combination of several changes than one in particular. 19.55.02 # hum ok 19.55.22 # anyway even if USB was working, it would fail with my theme ahaha :D 19.58.56 Quit AlexP (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.59.15 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 19.59.17 Join jasql [0] (5ad69997@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.214.153.151) 19.59.19 # hey 19.59.35 # cockbox? 20.01.53 # not quite 20.02.02 # why 20.02.10 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 20.02.17 # are you just here to troll? 20.02.30 # yes 20.02.33 # no 20.02.34 # :( 20.02.47 Mode "#rockbox +o scorche|sh" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 20.03.05 Mode "#rockbox +q *!5ad69997@*" by scorche|sh (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 20.03.20 Part jasql 20.03.31 Mode "#rockbox -o scorche|sh" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 20.06.08 # <[Saint]> lebellium: ideally, yes, of course the bug should be caught and squashed - but I have a feeling that that won't be particularly soon. Given the fact that USB is a *nightmare* (from my perspective, at least). 20.07.04 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 20.07.18 # <[Saint]> Given the fact that the N2G has the OF to get USB from (even though for some reason it doesn't seem like we can trigger a jump into the OF on connect with the N2G, which would be better), simply ensuring Rockbox doesn't panic and die for now should suffice. 20.08.08 # <[Saint]> I should look into testing jumping into the OF on USB connect again. There's a chance it was just being weird that day. 20.12.10 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 20.12.17 Quit fs-bluebot (Quit: So long, and thanks for all the fish.) 20.14.04 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g224237254.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.15.15 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 20.18.21 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 20.24.20 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 20.31.46 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.35.29 Join kaputnik_ [0] (~kaputnik@port-92-206-148-32.dynamic.qsc.de) 20.36.48 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 20.37.49 Nick megal0maniac_afk is now known as megal0maniac (~megal0man@unaffiliated/megal0maniac) 20.38.45 Quit kaputnik (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 20.42.13 Join ikeboy [0] (~435622d3@www.haxx.se) 20.42.37 # [Saint]: jumping into the OF on USB connect would be great indeed! 20.43.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.44.25 # but reseting the device after using OF is boring as hell. I hate those standby modes 20.46.02 # You don't have to. Just write to the partition table :) 20.47.47 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 20.56.45 Join Wardo [0] (~Mirandaha@176-120-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr) 20.57.15 # gevaerts: I don't know what that means but I assume "just" means it's difficult for me :P 20.58.02 # Run fdisk and tell it to save :) 20.58.12 # Of course, don't let it actually change anything! 21.01.44 Quit ikeboy (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 21.02.10 Join ikeboy [0] (~435622d3@www.haxx.se) 21.04.23 Join saratoga [0] (123e1cf8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.62.28.248) 21.04.29 # http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?p=636437 21.04.40 # Zip and Fuze+ for (about) 20 USD shipped 21.04.58 # if anyone wants a new device to develop 21.05.20 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 21.06.40 Join pretty_f_ [0] (~sigBART@123.252.213.112) 21.06.48 Quit pretty_function (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 21.07.38 # <[Saint]> Pity... 21.07.48 # <[Saint]> I want another Fuze 21.08.15 # <[Saint]> hard to find nice ones around here. 21.08.41 # <[Saint]> well, I need a clickwheel ribbon, to be precise. 21.08.55 # <[Saint]> If anyone has a dead fuze with a known good faceplate, hit me up. 21.09.05 # <[Saint]> v1, v2, don't care. 21.10.15 Quit ikeboy (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 21.13.12 Join ikeboy [0] (~435622d3@www.haxx.se) 21.14.40 Quit ikeboy (Client Quit) 21.14.43 # [Saint]: isn't a new fuze less expensive ? 21.15.04 # <[Saint]> Oh, totally. 21.15.26 # <[Saint]> But, if I liked the Fuze+ I'd own one. :) 21.15.35 Join ikeboy [0] (~435622d3@www.haxx.se) 21.17.15 Quit pretty_f_ (Remote host closed the connection) 21.17.30 Quit ender` (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21.18.14 # Does someone like the Fuze+? Oh no sorry, no troll \o/ 21.18.24 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 21.18.32 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.18.37 # <[Saint]> AT LEAST ONE PERSON SEEMS TO LIKE IT. 21.18.42 # <[Saint]> whoops. 21.20.02 # It has the best screen among all Sansa, so for themes it's rather nice, but that's it unfortunately :( 21.21.17 # lebellium: I like the fuze+ 21.21.22 # I had a fuze and sold it and got a fuze + instead 21.21.43 # I don't understand why the clips are going for more than the fuze + 21.21.44 # <[Saint]> Ohhhh....I bet that sucked. 21.21.52 # pamaury: you also like Creative DAPs \o/ 21.22.19 # [Saint]: I've seen a fuze v2 for 20€ on a french website, used 21.22.22 # the fuze+ has a great DAC, nice battery life, and expandable storage, its just the crummy the touchpad that needs fixing 21.22.23 # I like the fuze plus much better , mainly for the screen 21.22.56 # the touchpad could be better, agreed, but once you get used to it it's really efficient imo 21.23.13 # Although i'll agree the OF sucks 21.23.30 # yeah the OF of the fuze+ is absolutely terrible, among the worst i've seen 21.23.53 # the touchpad doesn't need fixing, it needs to be replaced by tactile keys. Nice mod idea here hehe 21.23.53 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 21.24.23 # that's the never ending tactile vs touchpad issue, there is no good answer 21.24.24 # the battery benchmark results on the wiki for the fuze+ are bad, I thought someone got like 30 hours with it recently? 21.24.34 # 35h 21.24.42 # and recently I even got better 21.24.50 # could you put them on the wiki? 21.24.54 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaRuntime 21.24.59 # nice to have these things documented 21.25.23 # I got another fuze + last week for $20 21.25.38 # from dealfisher 21.25.48 # saratoga: ok, I'll need to do one with latest git to check 21.25.54 # [Saint]: is it normal that the Nano2G doesn't make distinction between my USB ports on computer and my AC USB charger? Is that part of the USB issue? 21.26.18 # <[Saint]> Yes, and no. 21.27.32 # There is no way to use it while charging like any other RB target I have? 21.27.49 # <[Saint]> Sure, read the manual. 21.28.22 # <[Saint]> hold during USb insertion on iPod == charge only. 21.28.28 # And when you've finished reading it, the nano2g will be fully charged, and you can use it again :) 21.28.41 # <[Saint]> Heh. :) 21.28.59 # I found "3.3 USB Charging" :) 21.29.25 # <[Saint]> Ohhhh....hmmmm, actually, the n2g bootloader might not be that new. 21.29.46 # <[Saint]> it /may/ be select only. 21.29.56 # The bootloader shouldn't be involved there 21.30.12 # Although the main build is still old, so that could indeed be pre-any-key 21.31.02 # <[Saint]> Ah. Yes. Derp. No...the bootloader doesn't care about this. 21.31.17 # <[Saint]> For some reason I switch to thinking about bootloader USB. 21.31.32 # <[Saint]> which the n2g almost certainly doesn't have. 21.32.14 # There wouldn't be much point if EDM still exists 21.32.34 # <[Saint]> Other iPods do it. 21.32.34 Quit ikeboy (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 21.32.56 # We do many pointless things :) 21.33.25 # <[Saint]> This is true. :) 21.33.28 # Do they, actually? In released bootloaders? 21.33.35 # * gevaerts doesn't remember that 21.33.46 # I haven't used my ipods in a while though 21.33.50 # <[Saint]> If the released bootloaders are anywhere near modern, they should. 21.34.21 # <[Saint]> They /may/ have escaped update, though. 21.35.06 # * gevaerts looks 21.35.36 # I see code in there to reboot to EDM after the "insert USB cable" prompt 21.36.52 # <[Saint]> Hmmm. I was sure that the iPods had bootloader USb these days. Man...I'm on a roll today. 21.37.59 # <[Saint]> I don't /think/ I'm confusing the iPods with the Sansas, but it seems possible. 21.38.47 Quit krabador (Quit: Bah...) 21.40.09 Join ikeboy [0] (~435622d3@www.haxx.se) 21.44.08 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 21.46.08 Quit ikeboy (Quit: CGI:IRC (EOF)) 21.47.51 Quit guymann (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 21.49.35 # n1s: do you still expect issues with g#471? 21.49.57 # If not, we should add the patch to rockbox-www, get one of the other Swedes to update the server, and push it 21.50.21 Join guymann [0] (~c@unaffiliated/guymann) 21.50.40 # <[Saint]> Hmmm. What happened to bluebot? 21.52.56 # gevaerts: no i don't expect issues with it, but i was sort of hoping someone would test it, perhaps with the old texinfo. I also failed completely to build the ypr0 toolchain so i don't know if it needs fixing too. mipsel seems to build fine untouched 21.53.37 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,43149.msg219350.html seems to show that it works for someone at least 21.54.32 # <[Saint]> n1s: 64bit machine? 21.54.39 # <[Saint]> re: ypr0 21.54.47 # [Saint]: yes 21.55.10 # i don't remember exactly what failed but it seemed unrelated to texinfo 21.55.20 # <[Saint]> I _think_ that is it...I haven't come close to building it on any 64bit machine, but it seems possible on a 32bit machine. 21.55.42 # <[Saint]> and, yes, a fucktonne of shit will break :) 21.55.45 # * gevaerts once built in on a 64bit system 21.55.51 # That's a while ago though 21.56.14 # <[Saint]> Even if it is related to texinfo in some way, it is only one of several concerns. 21.56.38 # <[Saint]> I usually get tired after the tenth or so compilation fails, after massaging it and hand-holding to get it that far, and give up. 21.57.08 # <[Saint]> I have used your patch to compile the toolchains here very recently, though. 21.57.12 # <[Saint]> No issue here. 21.57.16 # gevaerts: so yes i think we can push it but yes it should be coordinated with updating the server 21.58.00 # n1s: that means a commit to rockbox-www first, which can be done right away I think 21.58.55 # assuming i know how to do that, yes :) 21.59.17 # It's easy! Just another git repository :) 22.00.52 # umm my regular checkout has a ww subdir, is it the same? 22.01.14 # That's weird 22.01.17 # It shouldn't! 22.01.52 # git://git.rockbox.org/www 22.01.55 # no, i'm confused, it's not in that checkout, i might have a checkout of www already 22.02.10 # ssh://yourname@gerrit.rockbox.org:29418/www for pushing 22.02.32 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.02.37 # alright 22.07.27 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 22.13.13 Quit nosa-j (Read error: Operation timed out) 22.14.18 # ok, pushed the patches to www 22.14.50 Quit krabador (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22.14.51 Quit |akaWolf| (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.14.55 Join darkham_ [0] (~krabador@host148-121-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 22.15.41 # Bagder: ping 22.17.16 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@184.76.254.130) 22.17.29 # you called good sir? 22.17.50 # yes, could you update www from git when convenient? 22.18.36 # hm, I rather completely leave that to Zagor these days... 22.18.56 # aha, i will ask him then 22.18.57 # and we should poke him to automate it 22.27.56 Quit y4n (Quit: AMIGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAA) 22.32.56 Quit darkham_ (Quit: Bah...) 22.33.07 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 22.36.20 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 22.38.52 Join thomasjfox [0] (~thomasjfo@rockbox/developer/thomasjfox) 22.39.19 Quit saratoga (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 22.43.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.44.00 Quit krabador (Quit: Bah...) 22.45.34 # Why does any key power on the Nano? Is play/pause not enough like on almost any other DAP? 22.48.49 # <[Saint]> We don't get to control that. 22.49.01 # <[Saint]> All the iPods wake on any kay. 22.49.06 # <[Saint]> *key 22.49.28 # It's not possible to "custom" the bootloader? 22.49.51 # customize* 22.49.52 # That's long before the bootloader runs 22.49.59 # <[Saint]> I believe we use Apple code to do a large part of the setup. 22.50.03 # *years* :) 22.50.09 # <[Saint]> Not by choice, most likely. 22.50.23 # It 22.50.39 # It's about which buttons are wired to the power management thing 22.50.39 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@50.4.247.132) 22.50.39 Quit jhMikeS (Changing host) 22.50.39 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 22.50.50 # <[Saint]> That code expects the device will suspend, not power off, so it makes some sense any key should wake it. 22.50.54 # I doubt very much you can change that in software 22.51.15 Join saratoga [0] (123e1cf8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.62.28.248) 22.51.25 # <[Saint]> Errr, indeed. s/That code/That code, and/or the hardware it controls/ 22.51.36 # [Saint]: maybe it makes sense for the OF, but since Rockbox fully turns off... that's a pity we have no control here 22.51.42 # pamaury: could you upload the ones you already have as well so that we have more historical numbers? its interesting to be able to track what optimizations had what impact on battery life 22.52.10 # <[Saint]> lebellium: get us some full sources and datasheets then :) 22.52.32 # power on is usually controled in hardware, or at least some kind of ROM 22.52.36 # <[Saint]> Just ask. They'll /totally/ give it to you. ;) 22.52.52 # *knowing* won't help you 22.52.55 # for things like the hold switch, most devices actually power on and then the bootloader actually powers them off quickly 22.53.00 # You'll have to rewire the PCB 22.53.15 # [Saint]: since the big boss died and since they no longer care about iPod, it's maybe easier to get them, I don't know \o/ 22.53.32 # * [Saint] highly doubts this 22.54.10 # <[Saint]> I also wouldn;t say they stopped caring about the iPod. It just envolved into its final state. The iPod Touch and the Touch Nano. 22.54.13 Nick megal0maniac is now known as megal0maniac_afk (~megal0man@unaffiliated/megal0maniac) 22.55.31 # <[Saint]> There's one hilarious failing with the way the system works, and Rockbox, shown on the Classic. 22.55.52 # <[Saint]> The device can be powered off, with hold off, and switching hold on powers the device and nukes the config ;) 22.56.01 # <[Saint]> That's fun. 22.56.24 # <[Saint]> fixed.cfg to the rescue. 22.57.21 # * [Saint] maintains that the "nuke settings based on hold detection" thing is kinda silly...but is only bitten by it regularly on one target. 22.57.38 # so you're all saying that the reason why Rockbox only starts with the play/pause or power button on most devices is only because the manufacturer was less stupid than Ap....errr... chose that 22.58.31 # <[Saint]> Basically. I would assume a large percentage of those devices actually power down, too. 22.58.42 # <[Saint]> as opposed to sleeping and hibernation. 23.01.17 # the reset setting option could be moved to a config file option, and then let device maintainers enable or disable it as needed based on the device 23.01.48 # but who wants to edit 40 different config files with a #define RESET_CONFIG_ON_HOLD_BOOT :) 23.02.11 # <[Saint]> ...you? ;) 23.02.20 Quit gapan (Quit: Leaving.) 23.03.19 # <[Saint]> Worth a try. 23.03.34 # does anyone know of an OF that doesn't resample 88/96k audio? 23.04.58 # Hifiman? \o/ 23.05.18 # i know the sandisk firmware on the clip will actually play WAV files at 96k (but not 24 bit hilariously since they have a buggy parser) 23.05.24 # i tested it on a scope actually 23.05.40 # but most things seem to quietly resample if you give them high sample rates 23.06.09 Quit melmothX_ (Quit: @.@) 23.07.45 Quit olspookishmagus (Quit: All for nothing) 23.10.20 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.11.04 # I thought 96k was most of time associated with 24 bit and thus always resampled except on a few audiophile players. 23.11.54 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 23.15.33 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 23.22.30 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23.34.21 Quit bertrik (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.41.47 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.41.54 Quit Wardo (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.44.35 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g224237254.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.45.10 Quit fs-bluebot (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.45.40 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g224237254.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.46.36 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-28-193.btc-net.bg) 23.58.44 Quit [Saint] (Read error: Connection reset by peer)