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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 16.07.39 Quit akaWolf (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.08.07 Join akaWolf [0] (~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf) 16.21.06 Quit bertrik (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.22.32 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 16.32.39 # I just upgraded my Fuze+ to the latest dev build, and I also put my entire library on my new 64 GB microsdxc card (SanDisk, class 10) 16.32.57 # I don't know if it's Rockbox, or the new card, or both, but building the library went really fast 16.33.13 # it took maybe 2 minutes 16.33.19 # for 6500 songs 16.38.03 Quit amboss (Quit: leaving) 16.38.38 Join amboss [0] (b@catbert.neet.to) 16.55.00 Quit ender` (Quit: Money is the root of all evil, and man needs roots.) 17.03.10 Join froggymana [0] (~me@CPE-65-26-218-129.wi.res.rr.com) 17.03.10 Quit froggymana (Changing host) 17.03.11 Join froggymana [0] (~me@unaffiliated/froggyman) 17.03.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.16.37 # pamaury: did you receive the clip zip? 17.21.45 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 17.23.50 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.29.54 Quit Maxdamantus (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.31.18 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.52.50 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:27:773:0:feed:c0f:fee) 17.58.54 Join froggyman__ [0] (~me@CPE-65-26-218-129.wi.res.rr.com) 18.02.41 Quit froggymana (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 18.13.54 Join workflow [0] (~workflow@77-57-189-189.dclient.hispeed.ch) 18.15.12 # hey is there a way to tell rockbox utility another mount point than the proposed ones in the drop-down? 18.19.11 Join cereal_killer [0] (~bc16330a@www.haxx.se) 18.19.59 # workflow: is your player not in the list of the drop-down menu 18.21.54 # cereal_killer: thanks got it now.. but looks like it wont work, its a 2nd gen nano =( 18.24.29 # Ipod Nano 2nd gen is unstable, but as far as I know there are no major problems. See here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IPodNano2GPort 18.24.53 # Well 18.24.58 # USB is somehow buggy 18.25.18 # I'd say the USB thing *is* a major problem, but it has an easy workaround of course (boot the OF or emergency disk mode) 18.26.35 # gevaerts: I see 18.26.47 # well, its not fat formatted yet and i-m just reading the instructions on how to do it. but i cant find an mbr file for 2gen nano 18.26.47 # It's a matter of opinion of course :) 18.28.27 # workflow: which size is your nano? 18.29.32 # isn`t it sufficient to restore the iPod using iTunes on a PC? 18.29.45 # well you need Windows to do this 18.29.52 # cereal_killer: yes, but having a windows machine available isn't a given 18.30.04 # funman: its 8gb, and shucks i dont have no windows machine anywhere 18.30.04 # They're rare and exotic things for some people :) 18.31.04 # gevaerts: true 18.31.12 # but thanks, thats good to know, so i dont try longer 18.31.48 # thank you all and have a nice day 18.32.04 # workflow: http://people.videolan.org/~funman/rockbox/mbr-nano2g-8g 18.32.40 # oh thanks for that will restore it from daddys win pc tomorrow and try again 18.36.28 Quit cereal_killer (Quit: CGI:IRC) 18.40.31 Quit workflow (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 18.42.05 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@2001:610:76a:0:d405:3391:1a70:22c3) 18.42.05 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 18.42.05 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 19.04.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.21.35 # bertrik: yes 19.21.39 # thanks 19.31.54 # Is it true that the Clip+ can only handle 32 GB cards? (and not 64 GB microsdxc ones) 19.32.03 # ugh 19.32.07 # stupid question 19.32.11 # I can just try it myself :P 19.32.27 Join pretty_function [0] (~sigBART@123.252.215.247) 19.33.29 # the clip+ isnty sdxc capable 19.33.32 # copper: AFAIK it should be fine if the partition is set correctl and it is formatted to fat32 19.33.33 # doesnt have the pins 19.33.41 # sdxc isn't really sdxc yet 19.33.49 # yes it is 19.33.53 # nope 19.34.08 # the specification says it has a 2nd row of pins 19.34.19 # Let me find it for you 19.34.21 # its not like SD and SDHC 19.34.28 # There are many people using them in Rockboxed players 19.34.38 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,42759.msg217542.html#msg217542 19.34.40 # for instance 19.35.36 # Mir: Good explanation: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,27811.msg188132.html#msg188132 19.35.56 # I haven't used the Clip+ in MONTHS and it's battery is still showing an impressive 87% :) 19.36.14 # its* 19.37.05 # seems to be working fine 19.37.11 # yep :) 19.37.12 # the correct size is reported 19.37.23 # I can play files, no problem 19.37.29 # yeah, it is fne 19.37.45 # I'm not aware of any SDXC 3.1 cards yet, only 3.0 which are fine 19.37.58 # AlexP: http://www.cdrinfo.com/images/uploaded/SD_HC.jpg 19.38.10 # yes, in spec 3.1 19.38.13 # sdxc has a 2nd row of pins 19.38.18 # Did you notice copper's working? 19.38.29 # cool 19.38.30 # :) 19.38.31 # Or read the links I provided 19.38.41 # I tried files at the beginning of the card, and files past the 32 GB mark 19.38.44 # all play fine 19.38.48 # this gives me hope i can get a 64gb and put it in my E200 19.38.50 # :D 19.38.52 Join saratoga_ [0] (123e0c11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.62.12.17) 19.38.55 # yes, it should work 19.38.59 # (AFAIK) 19.39.07 # There may always be some other issues 19.39.10 # i think the new design is backwards compatible 19.39.22 # IIRC the older pins are used if the hardware doesn't support the new ones 19.40.21 # Even better :) 19.40.22 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=28669.0 19.40.26 # low power devices probably dont want to use the high power interface anyway 19.40.33 # high power/speed 19.42.58 # so apparently the speed is not due to some update on Rockbox 19.43.00 # it's the card 19.43.18 # since my Clip+ is running an old(ish) version 19.43.27 # damn, it feels good 19.43.33 # awesome purchase 19.44.07 # cool 19.44.36 # I'm not even sure my old Transcend card wasn't just a chinese knock-off 19.44.47 # I did buy it in some shady chinese store :O 19.44.53 # trancend isnt a chineese knockoff 19.44.57 # it IS chinnese 19.44.59 # :D 19.45.13 # I'm sure the chinese make knock-offs of their own products! 19.45.31 # true 19.45.40 # anyway, off-topic 19.46.13 # the important information being, my 64 GB SanDisk microsdxc card works fine with both the Clip+ and the Fuze+ (Rockboxed) 19.46.31 # i hate the fuze + 19.46.40 # love it 19.46.47 # the controls are crud and its slugish and laggy 19.46.52 # not with Rockbox 19.46.59 # aww 19.46.59 # the OF is unusable 19.47.07 # never got that far with mine 19.47.08 # but with Rockbox, it's pretty awesome, IMO 19.47.29 # i ended up shipping mine to florida 19.47.32 # IMO it beats both my Clip+ and my iPod Classic 19.47.40 # :o 19.48.02 # i still prefer my E200 only because of the battery life 19.49.20 # My Fuze+ lasts 32 hours 19.49.42 # same as my iPod Classic 19.50.07 Join patman [0] (~patman@c-24-21-100-21.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 19.50.54 # my e2600 last 27 hours on flac files 19.50.59 # err 19.51.01 # musepack here 19.51.06 # subtract a 0 there 19.51.16 # e260? 19.51.20 # yup 19.51.26 # BUT 19.51.27 Quit saratoga_ (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 19.51.28 # isn't that an older model? 19.51.42 # older than the Clip+? 19.51.43 # i love the ipod lassic running rockbox 19.51.44 # if i play a SPC file it goes down to an hour and a half 19.51.48 # yes 19.51.50 # i haven't touched this ipod in over a year 19.51.52 # older than the clip 19.51.54 # =D 19.52.21 # e200 == fuze c200 == clip 19.52.29 # kinda 19.52.33 # :D 19.53.55 Quit krabador (Quit: Bah...) 19.58.04 Part patman 20.01.54 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.02.12 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 20.04.52 Join saratoga_ [0] (123e0c11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.62.12.17) 20.06.05 # bluebrother: how hard would it be to have rbutil check if X:\windows exists on the install directory and warn the user that they're doing something dumb 20.06.28 Quit makoto (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 20.13.23 Quit pretty_function (Remote host closed the connection) 20.24.14 # saratoga_: why would they choose a Windows mount? 20.24.29 # do people actually do that? 20.24.50 # yes 20.25.12 # _why_? 20.25.34 # Because they don't undrestand the question in some way 20.26.06 # what question? 20.26.20 # "What's the mountpoint?" 20.26.33 # mountpoint?? 20.26.45 # Exactly :) 20.26.46 # rbutil is supposed to be installed on the Linux fs 20.26.56 # I mean, it's just another app 20.27.30 # I believe the most common misconception is that people think it's asking where rockbox utility is installed instead of where rockbox needs to be installed 21.04.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.17.55 Quit ender` (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 21.45.20 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 21.56.23 Join ender1 [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 21.56.53 # well, the configutation dialog says "Select your device in the filesystem" 21.57.19 # on Windows you can only choose drive letters, on Linux only paths that are actual mountpoints 21.57.58 Quit lebellium (Read error: No buffer space available) 21.58.40 # maybe it would be easier if Rockbox formatted the device and systematically gave it the same lable / id 21.58.40 # label 21.58.56 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 21.59.25 Join simabeis_ [0] (~simabeis@lobmenschen.de) 21.59.53 Quit lebellium (Read error: No buffer space available) 21.59.53 Join aevin_ [0] (eivindsy@microbel.pvv.ntnu.no) 22.00.15 # i assume its people not reading it 22.00.28 # copper: how does that change anything at all? 22.00.28 # *what* will you format? 22.00.29 # alternatively make the default be nothing, so they have to select something 22.00.34 # ugh 22.00.38 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 22.00.42 # well, THAT was stupid… 22.00.51 # gevaerts: never mind 22.01.13 Join freqmod_ [0] (~quassel@cm-84.215.142.108.getinternet.no) 22.01.29 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 22.01.48 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 22.01.48 # or 22.01.52 # gnah. 22.01.52 Join Marex_ [0] (~Marex@195.140.253.167) 22.02.17 # client lost connection :( 22.02.17 # the installer could sniff the directory trees of every device, and detect paths that it knows about 22.02.17 Quit Unhelpful (Ping timeout: 267 seconds) 22.02.17 Quit GeekShadow (Excess Flood) 22.02.17 Join GeekShadow [0] (~antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 22.02.17 # i.e. the directory trees of the original firmwares 22.02.35 # it does. During autodetection. 22.02.40 # hmm 22.02.47 # so what's the problem? 22.02.47 Join Unhelpful [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/Unhelpful) 22.03.03 # the problem is that autodetection needs to get reworked. I've started working on that but it's not finished 22.03.27 # the problem is that users seem to not read what it displays 22.03.49 # lol 22.03.49 # and we don't do sanity checks afterwards. 22.03.49 # Also that some people just know "better 22.03.49 # " 22.04.13 # "Autodetect is wrong. I *know* it's a v2." 22.04.13 # yes, and that. Some people know that they have an Ipod 2G and wonder why it's not working on a Nano 2G 22.04.28 # "Why doesn't it boot?" 22.04.28 # "because" 22.04.28 # in the meantime, just checking for a windows folder would get 95% of users mistakes 22.04.29 # that much? 22.04.29 # wtf? 22.04.31 # anyway, I agree that adding some more sanity checks would be a good thing 22.04.34 # As long as it's just a warning, yes 22.04.38 # it's just work that needs to be done :) 22.04.44 Join ranmachan [0] (ranma@kagami.uguu.de) 22.05.06 # Don't tell me I can't put a directory named "windows" on my DAP, or I'll do just that! ;) 22.05.23 # "do you really want to install rockbox to your windows directory instead of your mp3 player yes/no?" 22.05.32 # no, that needs to be more intelligent. 22.05.46 Join melmothX_ [0] (~melmoth@93-137-141-1.adsl.net.t-com.hr) 22.05.55 # we need to check things like %SYSTEMDRIVE% on Windows 22.06.53 # (if that's the environment variable, not sure right now) 22.07.05 # * gevaerts nods 22.07.05 Join onder`_ [0] (~onder@24.244.89.228) 22.07.39 # and %PROGRAMFILES%. And %WINDIR%. 22.07.39 # or whatever exactly the variable names were :) 22.07.39 # bluebrother: do Wine dirs count? 22.07.39 # copper: you're not supposed to run Rockbox Utility on Wine 22.07.39 DBUG Enqueued KICK bluebrother 22.07.39 # if you do it' your fault 22.07.39 # People still do though 22.07.42 # you're not supposed to install it on a Windows partition either!: 22.07.43 # well, I've added a warning like years ago. 22.07.43 # when it seems to be running on Wine 22.07.46 # that _should_ work 22.07.51 # though there was a report of someone having that warning even on a normal Windows machine 22.07.57 # But then of course the wine people don't want you to be able to actually spot the difference 22.08.15 Quit ender` (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22.08.15 Quit ranmacha1 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22.08.15 Quit simabeis (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22.08.23 Quit aevin (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22.08.23 Quit freqmod (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22.08.32 Quit Marex (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22.09.53 Quit Rondom (*.net *.split) 22.09.53 Join maraz_ [0] (maraz@kapsi.fi) 22.09.53 Quit Unhelpful (Ping timeout: 320 seconds) 22.09.53 Quit dv_ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 22.10.14 Quit melmothX (Remote host closed the connection) 22.10.26 Quit maraz (Write error: Broken pipe) 22.10.39 Quit onder` (Write error: Broken pipe) 22.10.42 Quit fs-bluebot (Write error: Broken pipe) 22.11.20 Join Rondom [0] (~rondom@2a01:488:66:1000:b24d:4f2f:0:1) 22.11.28 Nick onder`_ is now known as onder` (~onder@24.244.89.228) 22.13.20 # there's no official way to detect wine (that I'm aware of), but you can check for a specific Wine registry key 22.13.20 Join Unhelpful [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/Unhelpful) 22.13.20 # unless the Wine guys changed that of course :) 22.13.20 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@f053155227.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.13.20 # bluebrother: just check for a directory named "drive_c", I guess 22.13.20 # most likely in the user's home directory 22.13.20 # and where should that live? When running in Wine I don't see that :) 22.13.20 # ? 22.13.26 # Wine tries to hide that it's Wine ... 22.13.26 # "${HOME}/something/drive_c" 22.13.28 # ok. So you use a Windows binary, run it in Wine and expect to access $HOME? 22.13.28 # and a "dosdevices" directory in the same directory 22.13.57 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 22.13.57 # * bluebrother sighs 22.13.57 # It might show up somewhere down Z: or something where you can access ~ from in wine? 22.13.57 # yes, I can check those. From a program that is running natively on the Linux box. 22.13.57 # Unless copper is suggesting that the linux version shouldn't run on linux if you have wine installed :) 22.13.57 Join dv_ [0] (~quassel@chello080108009040.14.11.vie.surfer.at) 22.13.57 # wow, Wine has quite a bunch of dependencies these days ... 22.13.57 Quit aevin_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.13.57 Join aevin [0] (eivindsy@unaffiliated/aevin) 22.13.57 # yeah, Z: resolves to / on my system 22.14.01 # so you presumably could check for linux dirs in z: 22.14.01 Quit saratoga_ (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 22.14.06 # If that is a defualt install 22.14.13 # which means I now need to resolve $HOME ... 22.14.29 # * bluebrother waits for the Wine packages to download 22.14.30 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 22.14.35 # I don't remember any recent wine-related issues, so I think there's nothing to do really 22.14.36 # (and if I haven't changed the mapping and forgotten) 22.15.00 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@f053155227.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.15.07 # The old registry-based check still seems to be good enough, those false positives are reasonably rare 22.15.11 # wtf is going on with the network (and the bot)? 22.15.29 Quit akaWolf (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 22.16.53 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 22.17.01 # ok, just tried. Detects current Wine on my system just fine. 22.17.55 # so I don't see a need to change anything here. 22.18.01 # bluebrother: you should try if it actually *works*. Maybe the ckeck isn't needed any more :) 22.19.41 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 22.21.52 Quit Bagder (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 22.22.16 Join Bagder [0] (~daniel@178.174.211.166) 22.22.18 # gevaerts: nah. I won't bet on all those direct device accesses the patchers do to work 22.22.30 # plus, why are we providing Linux binaries? 22.22.59 # For those annoying people who think wine is the wrong solution :) 22.23.03 # Cos linux on the desktop is this year! 22.23.15 # And that means not having to compile :) 22.23.58 # we have binaries. You don't need to compile those :) 22.24.33 # I'm confused, by "plus, why are we providing Linux binaries?" I thought you were suggesting we shouldn't 22.25.13 # yes, but that's a different story :) 22.25.23 # until now we do 22.25.32 # But I guess you meant why are people trying to use wine when we provide native binaries 22.25.39 # er 22.25.39 # yes. 22.25.49 # Which does make more sense :) 22.25.53 # doesn't the OF always come with the same partition label? 22.26.18 # Which OF? 22.26.21 # any OF 22.26.29 # no 22.26.36 # plus, users can change it 22.26.43 # Also, why? 22.26.50 # why? 22.26.57 # it's simply way to unreliable 22.27.04 # way too many false positives 22.27.07 # because if they always had the same label, it would be easy to identify 22.27.16 # I'm wondering what it would help with, I must have missed the start 22.27.28 # then gevaerts will label his root partition "Sansa e260" or something like that 22.27.40 # screw him? ;) 22.27.49 # err ... no 22.28.03 # well, if it were only gevaerts then yes :) 22.28.12 # But if it might be others too, then no :) 22.28.26 # anyway 22.28.30 # Filesystem labels are *meant* to be changed 22.28.39 # And partition labels don't exist :) 22.28.42 # the problem is: we have players we cannot detect the mountpoint. Period. 22.28.43 # the only sane way in my opinion is to sniff directory trees, and that's being worked on 22.29.10 Quit DexterLB (*.net *.split) 22.29.35 Quit ChanServ (*.net *.split) 22.29.40 # gevaerts: yes, my bad 22.29.40 # filesystem label 22.29.40 # so the best thing we can do is to filter out everything that is definitely not the player and leave the rest to the user 22.29.44 # copper: ok, so we "sniff". What do you find on e.g. a h100 that identifies it? 22.29.56 # I don't know what you're talking about, sorry 22.30.00 # (hint: nothing) 22.30.03 # The iriver H100 22.30.21 # I guess you should do the best you can 22.30.23 # The firmware is in flash, the drive is just normal drive 22.30.29 # something is better than nothing 22.30.39 # same for M5 / X5 IIRC 22.30.52 # And that's what we do, detect where possible 22.31.29 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@2001:610:76a:0:d405:3391:1a70:22c3) 22.31.29 # The only extra option is to exclude where possible 22.31.36 Join ChanServ [0] (ChanServ@services.) 22.31.36 Mode "#rockbox +o ChanServ " by hubbard.freenode.net 22.31.36 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-15-59.btc-net.bg) 22.31.36 # the only thing we don't do (yet) is to not allow the user to select an arbitrary mountpoint 22.31.47 # good night 22.31.47 # the dropdown list is already filtered to remove all filesystems that are incompatible. 22.31.57 # though IIRC that's not in 1.3.1 IIRC. 22.32.42 Quit Guest25865 (Quit: leaving) 22.32.54 Join __jae__ [0] (~jae@dedicated.jaerhard.com) 22.33.24 # hmm, though thinking about it that should filter out all Windows system drives anyway. 22.33.36 # since that's usually NTFS. 22.34.04 # bluebrother: can you select things other than the drop down list offers by typing in it? 22.35.07 # AlexP: no, only if you build it as debug binary. 22.35.18 # (since it's quite useful for debugging) 22.35.22 # I wonder how people manage it then 22.35.38 # well, if the dropdown list shows C: as valid entry? 22.36.06 # in debug builds you can edit the selected dropdown item 22.36.15 # Yeah, I'm just a little surprised how many people have that as non-NTFS 22.36.25 # although I suppose it is tiny numbers actually 22.36.30 # "IIRC that's not in 1.3.1" 22.36.39 # ah, missed that 22.36.44 # fair enough then :) 22.37.00 # So we're likely discussing a solved problem anyway :) 22.37.19 # Excellent, let's discuss it more! 22.37.27 # yeah, mountpoint filtering has been added on 1st April 22.38.01 # need to check the filesystem type string for HFS+ on Windows though. 22.40.16 Quit rasher (Changing host) 22.40.16 Join rasher [0] (~rasher@rockbox/developer/rasher) 22.55.12 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.00.18 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-15-59.btc-net.bg) 23.04.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.18.46 Quit melmothX_ (Quit: #) 23.24.08 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 23.37.28 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 23.44.48 Quit gapan (Quit: Leaving.)