--- Log for 20.06.113 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 10 days and 14 hours ago 00.00.10 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Vamoose.) 00.13.51 Quit linuxguy3 (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 00.15.36 Quit olspookishmagus (Quit: All for nothing) 00.17.01 Join markun [0] (~markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 00.28.16 Join b1101 [0] (~b@66.55.150.182) 00.36.09 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130617145905]) 00.38.25 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00.52.07 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 00.54.43 Quit ender` (Quit: Eighty percent of all people consider themselves to be above-average drivers.) 01.02.04 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 01.08.45 Quit Guest53429 (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 01.32.05 Quit Xerion (Read error: Operation timed out) 01.38.06 Join darkham_ [0] (~krabador@host40-62-dynamic.247-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 01.38.06 Quit darkham_ (Client Quit) 01.42.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.47.44 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 02.09.08 Join Xerion [0] (~xerion@5419F5F4.cm-5-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 02.39.21 # does it make sense to pass in local variables to an assembly block, or should I try and find them on the stack somehow? 02.51.13 # Find them on the stack? 02.51.21 # How will you have any idea where the compiler put them? 02.51.29 # (some of them may not even exist) 02.53.17 # yeah i'm probably not remembering this correctly 02.53.45 # if i just want to have a scratch space in an assembly function, how do I allocate that space from inside the function? 02.54.04 # just use the addresses after the stack pointer? 02.54.19 # Personally I use local variables and pass them in. 02.54.25 # It seems much easier. 02.54.37 # i'd have to get them off the stack anyway though on ARM 02.55.17 # In any case, you _must_ adjust the stack pointer if you want to use the space on the stack. 02.55.56 # if i need to store a word, can I just use the next word above the current stack address? 02.56.09 # No. 02.56.17 # isn't that dead space? 02.56.28 # Your process could get sent a signal, and the signal handler will trash that memory. 02.56.36 # At any point. 02.58.12 # well in rockbox i don't think we have anything like that 02.58.16 # (maybe this is something you don't have to worry about on rockbox... I don't know enough about the kernel you run, but you have to worry about this everywhere else) 02.58.17 # but i guess that would be bad for portability 02.58.47 # Valgrind is even smart enough to complain. 02.58.50 # would it work if i incremented the stack pointer then? 02.59.10 # Yes. 03.00.52 # But if you only need one word... are you really out of registers? 03.03.16 # i'm not sure yet 03.11.53 Quit amiconn (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 03.11.53 Quit pixelma (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 03.12.12 # <[Saint]> saratoga: I'll likely get a response out of you on this, forgive my picking on you: SHould we be adjusting the volume level displayed to the user if precut is enabled? 03.12.26 # <[Saint]> _I_ think its a sane thing to do...but, yeah. 03.12.30 # i don't think so 03.12.50 # <[Saint]> Not to offend, but, could you clarify why? 03.13.06 # well its not obvious to me what you would adjust it to 03.13.21 # the precut is mostly for the EQ 03.13.24 # to compensate for gain there 03.13.26 # <[Saint]> Say the user wants line level, and have a preset with positive gain applied...what then? 03.13.38 # how to calculate how much positive gain the precut is balancing out? 03.13.44 # <[Saint]> 0dB wouldn;t *actually* be line level. 03.14.00 # 0dB is the gain from the headphone amp 03.14.04 # the digital gain is something else 03.14.17 # <[Saint]> I was just going to do volume+precut. But I guess it doesn't work how I'm thinking. 03.14.38 # <[Saint]> It just seems very wrong to me to not adjust the volume as displayed to the user if we're trimming NdB off it. 03.16.29 # its probably best to think of what the dB meter shows as volume, and precut as gain 03.16.38 # <[Saint]> If I use a precut of 12dB on the Classic, for instance, the theoretical max volume is then 0dB, but the max volume displayed to the user will still be 12dB, which you would expect to clip...but, it wouldn't, because it isn't really +12dB. 03.16.41 # <[Saint]> ...you dig? 03.16.54 # <[Saint]> Or, am I worrying too much? 03.18.51 # <[Saint]> I thought it would be slightly less confusing to just display the volume as volume+precut. 03.19.24 # <[Saint]> Then you wouldn't display values that for all intents should clip, were they not precut. 03.20.01 Quit dv_ (Read error: Operation timed out) 03.23.10 # <[Saint]> I wasn't quite sure how adjusting the volume in this fashion would affect graphical volume displays in the skin engine, but I was hoping JdGordon would help me there if I needed it. Nedge nudge. 03.23.27 # <[Saint]> But, if its really not as sane an idea as I suspected. Meh. 03.23.37 # arg, gimme a tl;dr (in pm if you want) 03.25.40 # thats only the case if you assume that no other digital processing is happening, if you have replaygain or eq or whatever you might get clipping before (or after) 0dB 03.26.26 # <[Saint]> Hmmm. That's a solid point. 03.32.49 Quit krabador (Remote host closed the connection) 03.42.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.14.26 Join amiconn [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.14.26 Join pixelma [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.47.49 Join TheSphinX^ [0] (~briehl@pD9FBBB32.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 04.51.18 Quit TheSphinX_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05.04.54 Join uw [0] (~uw@unaffiliated/uw) 05.11.29 Quit b1101 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 05.12.51 Quit Epicanis (Quit: Schlafzeit.) 05.13.00 Join st4rl [0] (~4636ac07@www.haxx.se) 05.18.24 Quit st4rl (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 05.27.31 Quit [7] (Disconnected by services) 05.27.39 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.42.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.47.05 Nick mrtux is now known as oniichan (~mrtux@unaffiliated/mrtux) 05.51.20 Join st4rl [0] (~4636ac07@www.haxx.se) 05.51.58 # Can someone help me with my iPod Video 80GB? 05.52.22 # <[Saint]> Only if you ask a question first. 05.52.59 # Is it normal that my iPod is slown when I listen to music with the EQ on? 05.53.26 # *slow 05.53.36 # <[Saint]> Yes. If you have all 10 bands applied. 05.53.58 # <[Saint]> The CPU in the iPod 5G isn't particularly powerful, at all. 05.54.45 # <[Saint]> It is advisable to use as little bands as possible in the EQ, or, just use the Bass/Trebel settings. 05.55.11 # ok thanks for your help 05.55.33 # <[Saint]> Some targets are perfectly capable of realtime playback with all 10 bands of the EQ applied. The 5/5.5G iPod isn't one of those. 05.55.38 # <[Saint]> Not a problem. 05.56.02 Nick oniichan is now known as mrtux (~mrtux@unaffiliated/mrtux) 05.56.39 # <[Saint]> Other effects will also have an impact on CPU usage. 05.57.02 # <[Saint]> Dithering, timestretch, etc. 05.59.18 # <[Saint]> The iPod 5/5.5G (and other, similar targets, like the 4G/Color/Photo, and Nano1G) is capable of realtime playback of MP3@320 with all 10 bands of the EQ applied according to my tests, but that is with no other effects enabled, and it is only *just* capable of it. 05.59.38 # <[Saint]> The UI suffers quite dramatically at times. 06.00.22 Quit st4rl (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) 06.01.55 Quit dfkt (Disconnected by services) 06.01.56 Join dfkt_ [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 06.06.10 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:27:773:0:feed:c0f:fee) 06.10.32 Quit onder` (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 06.13.02 Join Guinness` [0] (Slayer@c-69-143-178-62.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 06.14.28 Quit Guinness (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 06.14.28 Nick Guinness` is now known as Guinness (Slayer@c-69-143-178-62.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 06.18.06 Join onder` [0] (~onder@24.244.89.228) 06.20.12 Join b1101 [0] (~b@108.61.50.108) 06.32.10 Quit onder` (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 06.49.16 # [Saint]: the ping before? shold i be reading the previous log or saratoga asnwered you? 07.05.10 Quit ps-auxw (Remote host closed the connection) 07.38.23 Join Barahir [0] (~jonathan@141.101.32.135) 07.42.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.44.50 Join profus2 [0] (~profus2@xdsl-213-196-210-184.netcologne.de) 07.46.04 Quit kevku (Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) 08.03.07 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@giant.haxx.se) 08.05.28 # good morning everybody, 08.05.55 # is this the place to ask for help with regard to ATA -2 Error on sansa clip+ ? 08.06.46 # if so, I would be grateful for any hints/tips how to solve this problem, thank you 08.07.12 # btw: done some reading and searching already, but did not find anything useful 08.13.24 Join melmothX [0] (~melmoth@unaffiliated/melmothx) 08.21.46 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.25.57 Join Cen1nant [0] (~ceninant@adsl-74-240-113-252.bhm.bellsouth.net) 08.26.18 Quit Ceninant (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 08.28.58 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2a01:d0:ffff:34a::8:3) 08.43.03 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@sestofw01.enea.se) 08.43.03 Quit Zagor (Changing host) 08.43.03 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.43.12 Join liar [0] (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) 08.56.37 Join akaWolf [0] (~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf) 09.02.59 Join dv_ [0] (~quassel@chello080108009040.14.11.vie.surfer.at) 09.20.33 Join onder` [0] (~onder@24.244.89.228) 09.24.48 Quit profus2 (Quit: Leaving) 09.36.03 Join mortalis [0] (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 09.42.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.53.32 Quit kaputnik (Read error: Operation timed out) 09.57.04 Join trollin420 [0] (~chatzilla@user-0c6s742.cable.mindspring.com) 09.58.19 # any body there need help with rockbox please 09.58.46 # trollin420: ask your question, if someone knows the answer, they'll reply, now or later 09.59.34 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 10.00.09 # man im just having an issue on occasion. I have rockbox on a new ipod classic that I got back in march and ill be listenin to some music and rockbox just freezes up and sends a really loud hum into my headphone 10.00.31 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@212.194.176.149) 10.01.01 # it really can be annoyin lol vibin to some tunes and it just starts this loud hum and u have to hard reset it each time 10.02.08 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 10.02.26 # trollin420: how did you install Rockbox on your iPod Classic? 10.06.07 # oh man let me think there was manual and automatic way right 10.06.34 # oh hey i remember 10.06.39 # with itunes 10.06.55 # trollin420: you install *Rockbox* with iTunes? 10.06.58 # installed* 10.07.01 # yes 10.07.11 # Hmmm, no you didn't. 10.07.15 # just comin back to me lol this was like 3 months 10.07.36 # i did man wtf 10.07.38 # iTunes is Apple software, and you can't install Rockbox with iTunes. 10.07.55 # i got the driver from there copper 10.08.07 # trollin420: did you install http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE ? 10.09.17 # oh the emcore was with itunes 10.09.32 # what? 10.09.33 # thats what i was thinking 10.10.01 # from here http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic/DFUiTunes 10.10.53 # ok, I was trying to determine if your iPod was indeed an iPod Classic 10.10.56 Join kaputnik [0] (~kaputnik@port-92-206-82-140.dynamic.qsc.de) 10.11.11 # and not an older iPod (people often confuse them) 10.11.45 # trollin420: try installing the latest Rockbox build: http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip 10.12.12 # has a new one came out since march cuz thats about when i installed everything? 10.12.34 # no but you didn't say if you bought it first hand or second hand 10.13.07 # and the Rockbox builds and procedures are very different for the Classic and older iPods 10.13.13 # brand new first hand 10.13.32 # note that for now, the iPod Classic port of Rockbox is labeled "unusable" 10.13.37 # its the newest 160 gb 10.13.41 # yup 10.14.20 # to install the latest build, download the zip file that I linked to 10.14.24 # unusable in what exact way could u elaborate? with freezing and what not on the latest generation ipods 10.14.45 # connect the iPod via USB, mount the hard drive, and unpack the zip file at the root of the mounted HDD 10.15.09 # trollin420: "unusable" is a Rockbox label, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's actually unusable 10.15.18 # it just means they don't want to advertise its use 10.15.28 # because there are still some problems to overcome 10.15.50 # it says right on the front page "Work has begun on porting Rockbox to these players, but much remains before they are usable" 10.16.10 # oh have you heard of issues like that im having with it getting hosed up and sending a hum through the headphones 10.16.19 # not me 10.16.38 # i have rockbox 3.13 already i remember that much 10.16.47 # that's not possible 10.17.04 # rockbox 3.13 is the stable version for "usable" devices, and the Classic isn't one of them 10.17.48 # oh lol well whats the latest classic build when was that released? 10.17.58 # thats the one i should have 10.17.59 # <[Saint]> there never was one 10.18.25 # <[Saint]> There has never been any release for the Classic. 10.19.07 # only development builds 10.19.28 # <[Saint]> System->Rockbob Info will tell you what version you're running. 10.19.37 # <[Saint]> *Rockbox, even. :) 10.20.03 # thanks saint its probably the ipod photo or whatever im not technically sound with this stuff 10.20.10 # <[Saint]> emCORE will also display the version number briefly during boot. But that can be hard to catch. 10.20.19 # lets see here 10.20.42 # <[Saint]> If it has emCORE, its definitely not the Photo/4G 10.21.16 # <[Saint]> It could only be one of two devices in that case. And I'm fairly sure you'd know if it was a Nano 2G 10.21.50 # 160 gb classic 10.22.20 # <[Saint]> You can get the latest build from this link at all times: http://build.rockbox.org/data/rockbox-ipod6g.zip 10.22.22 # r31516-120101 10.22.35 # <[Saint]> Yeah, that build is fairly old. 10.22.36 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.22.44 # you're using the build that emCORE distributes 10.22.48 # it's 18 months old 10.22.50 # oh really 10.22.52 # <[Saint]> The link above will always point to the current development build. 10.22.57 # from january first, 2012 10.23.09 # <[Saint]> copper: ah, indeed. Good catch. 10.23.14 # <[Saint]> That build is *ancient*. 10.23.45 # <[Saint]> There has been many improvements for the Classic since then. 10.23.53 # is it a pain in the ass to upgrade cuz before i had to use my neighbors pc to install emcore and rockbox my pc wouldnt recognize the dfu driver and shit 10.24.03 # trollin420: the 120101 part is the date of the build 10.24.06 # trollin420: that's no longer required 10.24.12 # You don't need dfu to *upgrade* 10.24.12 # since emcore is already installed 10.24.15 # <[Saint]> No. Simply extract the .zip from the link I gave above to the root of the device. 10.24.17 # <[Saint]> that is all. 10.24.34 # <[Saint]> then after you disconnect USB it will prompt to reboot, reboot, and you're updated. 10.24.43 # trollin420: plug the iPod into a USB port of your PC and mount it like a USB HDD 10.24.48 # awesome it all my playlists and files will seamlessly integrate with the new rockbox version? 10.24.55 # <[Saint]> Yes. 10.25.01 # great news 10.25.14 # maybe it will stop freezing then im hoping 10.25.20 # <[Saint]> There will also be a reasonable increase in battery life. 10.25.33 # maybe you'll get new fascinating bugs instead ;-) 10.25.34 # and a 10 band EQ! 10.25.36 # <[Saint]> But the "Fat Classic" has such a huge battery anyway it is kinda hard to noticed. 10.25.47 # [Saint]: he likely has the thin model 10.25.58 # i.e. the latest one 10.26.07 # since he bought it new in march 10.26.11 # <[Saint]> AH. Yeah. I always assume the Fat Classic when I hear 160GB. 10.26.25 # lol the humming bug with highly sensitive earbuds loud ass shit in your ear hopefully this will fix that 10.26.30 # * [Saint] <3 the CEATA 160GB "Fat" 10.27.07 # <[Saint]> Using it right now actually. 10.27.17 # trollin420: what OS are you running? Windows? 10.27.39 # Linux? OS X? 10.28.09 # windows 10.28.28 # then plug your iPod via USB, it'll show as a regular external hard drive 10.28.49 # unpack the zip file at the root of that hard drive 10.28.56 # do you understand "root"? 10.29.08 # yes root directory 10.29.11 # ok 10.29.36 # whatever unpacking software you use, tell it to overwrite existing files 10.29.53 # don't worry, your settings and playlists won't be overwritten 10.29.56 # oh i was just gona cut and paste it 10.31.02 # <[Saint]> The only major issue with the recent builds is that your iPod /might/ not mount. But you can always (hopefully) mount the device by booting into the emCORE main menu (hold any key during boot if you have fastboot enabled), then select the Tools->Run Rockbox Fallback Image menu item. 10.31.13 # I guess that's ok too, just tell Windows Explorer to overwrite files 10.31.27 # <[Saint]> Its best not to cut and paste. 10.31.42 # <[Saint]> extract to destination ensures everything gets updated correctly. 10.31.57 # ok ill extract thats cool 10.32.09 # <[Saint]> user error here can make interesting things happen. best to just avoid it and extract to destination. 10.32.22 # <[Saint]> Rockbox Utility is also capable of updating the Classic. 10.32.26 Quit onder` (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 10.32.28 # <[Saint]> You may want to use that instead. 10.33.09 # <[Saint]> (in the future, whatever. it can backup the current install and upgrade to the latest) 10.35.04 # <[Saint]> Do let someone here know if updating doesn't fix you issue, though. 10.35.15 # 277d358 130618 10.35.23 # is that the latest then? 10.35.51 # <[Saint]> If you downloading it from the link I gave you, then, yes. 10.35.59 # look at the date 10.36.03 # k yea i did 10.36.07 # yymmdd 10.36.20 # i.e. june 18, 2013 10.36.38 Join onder` [0] (~onder@24.244.89.228) 10.37.11 # wait i thought it was from january 2012 the latest or is that emcore lol confused 10.37.21 # <[Saint]> I think the hash is the most interesting part. 10.37.48 # <[Saint]> there can be several builds a day with the same date. But only one with each hash. http://www.rockbox.org/since-release.html 10.38.53 Quit kaputnik (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 10.38.59 # shit i get it i had the january 2012 lol 10.39.19 # <[Saint]> That's the version emCORE installs. 10.39.27 # <[Saint]> So, I suppose it has never been updated. 10.40.34 # oh so emcore hasnt been updated for the classic or has never had a version specifically for the classic... tryna understand 10.41.18 # <[Saint]> There hasn't been an update for emCORE for the Classic since the version you have installed, no. 10.41.50 # one more thing um the sound settings is that all defaults now? 10.41.57 # <[Saint]> No. 10.42.04 # <[Saint]> Your settings are all still there. 10.42.48 # nice thanks saint 10.42.56 # <[Saint]> updating doesn't replace or remove any config files. 10.43.13 # <[Saint]> or user data 10.44.43 # <[Saint]> In future you might want to look at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtility 10.45.29 # ok 10.45.43 # <[Saint]> Its a graphical tool capable of performing a range of tasks. Updating, backup, restore, them installation/removal, etc. 10.45.56 # <[Saint]> *theme installation 10.46.32 # <[Saint]> As well as the font set and game files for Rockdoom. 10.47.00 # <[Saint]> and voice files and talk clips if TTS is your thing. 10.47.56 # text-to-speech* 10.48.24 # <[Saint]> The only thing it can't handle is the installation/removal of emCORE. 10.53.45 # hey is there a way to expand the album art full screen 10.59.05 # trollin420: you can change the theme 10.59.16 # http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=ipodvideo 10.59.46 # oh ok that could make the album art larger your saying? 11.03.13 # the size of the artwork depends on the theme 11.03.18 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 11.10.15 # to install a theme, do like with a rockbox build archive: extract the zip file in the root directory of your iPod 11.10.31 Quit pystar89 (Read error: Operation timed out) 11.12.06 # thanks found another theme to try 11.12.55 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 11.20.07 # aaaaw 11.20.09 # "Note: You can only use a %format string for formatting the title of a track, it cannot be used for formatting within the album hierarchy" 11.20.15 # that's too bad :( 11.20.18 Join pystar89 [0] (~pystar89@ip-109-90-154-150.unitymediagroup.de) 11.25.05 Quit pystar89 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 11.42.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.48.26 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 12.01.58 Join olspookishmagus [0] (~pookie@host-84-205-241-1.cpe.syzefxis.ote.gr) 12.28.11 Quit Bagder (Read error: Operation timed out) 12.28.39 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 12.29.18 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 18.20.32 Join pystar89 [0] (~pystar89@ip-109-90-154-150.unitymediagroup.de) 18.20.45 Quit Cen1nant (Disconnected by services) 18.20.45 Join Ceninant [0] (~ceninant@adsl-74-240-113-34.bhm.bellsouth.net) 18.22.16 Join webguest52 [0] (~62eca9f0@www.haxx.se) 18.22.22 Join Cen1nant [0] (~ceninant@adsl-74-240-111-111.bhm.bellsouth.net) 18.25.05 Quit Ceninant (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 18.27.48 # saratoga: are you talking about the YP-Z5? 18.28.07 # yeah 18.29.38 # the Z5 is the first real iPod Nano killer, released in Z5. The UI has been designed by Paul Mercer who also designed the UI of the 1st iPod. It sold over 1 million units and was the 1st Samsung player to get a real community with its own forum etc. 18.29.43 # released in 2006* 18.31.15 # Is RockboxUtility useful with an Ipod Classic 7th gen? 18.34.07 # it won't install emcore if thats what you mean 18.37.05 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 18.37.13 # No, just generally. I have already installed emCore and Rockbox on it. 18.39.05 Join ps-auxw [0] (~arneb@2001:470:c807:0:1532:4e5f:2ad3:4123) 18.39.39 Quit penth (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.40.00 # i think everything else will work with the 6/7g 18.40.27 Join penth [0] (~reikoNeko@c-68-81-89-93.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 18.40.34 # thanks. I'm using it to update Rockbox on the Ipod now. 18.44.53 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 18.49.10 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 18.57.00 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 18.59.17 Quit webguest52 (Quit: CGI:IRC) 19.03.53 Join kaputnik [0] (~kaputnik@port-92-206-82-140.dynamic.qsc.de) 19.05.53 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@62.83.50.196.dyn.user.ono.com) 19.10.31 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 19.12.23 Quit Epicanis (Read error: Operation timed out) 19.16.45 Quit pretty_function (Remote host closed the connection) 19.20.28 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 19.24.01 Quit kaputnik (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 19.34.04 Join pretty_function [0] (~sigBART@123.252.212.153) 19.41.54 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 19.42.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.45.27 Join dunpeal [0] (~dunpeal@unaffiliated/dunpeal) 19.46.40 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 19.52.29 # Hi. I just installed Rockbox. I have a large root directory with lots of subdirectories containing MP3 files. Can I turn that whole directory into a playlist that can can be stopped and resumed? 19.58.44 # Yes. You can add the directory to the playlist (recursively) 19.58.55 # That's somewhere in the context menu 19.58.56 # gevaerts: thanks! that does work. 19.59.02 # yes, INSERT 19.59.11 # another question though: what should I do with audiobooks? 19.59.21 # Listen to them? :) 19.59.33 # That makes sense ;) Should I just create a playlist for them? 19.59.53 # I do that, yes. I also use bookmarking for those 20.00.13 # Well, I use bookmarking for everything, and ignore the bookmark files for non-audiobook-like stuff 20.01.40 # gevaerts: do multiple playlists save their position? 20.01.57 # i.e. can I have multiple playlists that are resumable from the point I last stopped? 20.03.05 # Playlists as such don't do that, but bookmarks do 20.03.19 # I'd recommend reading the chapter on bookmarks in the manual 20.03.39 # saratoga: seems like PortalPlayer iPods are too slow too 20.03.40 # Basically a bookmark is a playlist+position (and past positions) combination 20.03.54 # gevaerts: that sounds good, actually 20.04.31 # You can add bookmarks manually, or you can tell rockbox to automatically bookmark on stop 20.04.56 # And then, if you enable the recent bookmarks feature, you can browse recent bookmarks right from the main menu 20.07.26 # this is awesome 20.08.54 # I love Rockbox 20.10.32 # gevaerts: does rockbox have an application / feature to do announced timer? 20.10.43 # basically, I want to be able to set it to alert me in N minutes 20.10.51 # Hmm, no 20.11.12 # You could abuse the sleep timer for that, but stopping playback is a weird kind of signal 20.11.18 # how is the 10 band EQ on Coldfire? 20.12.47 # gevaerts: damn, there's a chess clock in plugins!!! 20.13.07 # the chess clock actually does it, but it doesn't provide announcements 20.13.23 # * gevaerts remembers finding a bug in that a while ago :) 20.16.24 # gevaerts: I can just write / hack it on my own... it's in Java, right? 20.17.12 # C 20.21.30 # i'm tempted to make the 10 band EQ ARM >=v5E and MIPS only 20.22.23 # saratoga: does a parametric EQ with more than five bands actually make sense at all? 20.24.12 # no its literally pointless 20.24.39 # not entirely, IMO 20.24.44 # my desktop EQ has ten bands 20.25.02 # copper: EQ or parametric EQ? 20.25.03 # yeah but its probably not parametric 20.25.08 # well then we need to go to eleven 20.25.14 # having ten bands on Rockbox allows me to just copy the desktop settings without having to figure out how to properly convert 10 bands into 5 bands 20.25.37 # it also massively increases the battery draw 20.25.40 # Technically we could have a plugin to help with that 20.25.46 # that would be nice 20.26.39 # usually parametric EQs are 3 or 5 band, while non-parametric are 10 or 21 band 20.26.44 # or even just a chapter in the documentation on how to do that 20.26.48 # since you need a lot more bands if you can't adjust their width 20.27.22 # maybe a web form where I could fill in the 10 band values, and it would output 5 band values 20.27.25 Join thomasjfox [0] (~thomasjfo@rockbox/developer/thomasjfox) 20.28.18 # saratoga: not parametric indeed 20.28.34 # a real-time plot of the EQ response in rockbox would be nice 20.28.37 # * gevaerts isn't sure how tricky such a convertor would be 20.28.46 # But yes, a plot would definitely help 20.29.32 # for the Clip+, before the 10 band EQ patch, I ran RMAA every time I changed a value, to see how it would match my 10 band EQ 20.29.36 # very cumbersome 20.29.41 # lots of trial and error 20.31.32 # gevaerts: I have to save a playlist before I bookmark it, right? 20.31.38 # No 20.32.19 # you mean, I can have a per-directory bookmark 20.32.21 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 20.32.35 # but if a book consists of multiple subdirectories 20.33.02 # A new bookmark file corresponds to your current dynamic playlist 20.33.57 # sure, but I can only have one dynamic playlist at a time, no? 20.34.16 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@62.83.50.196.dyn.user.ono.com) 20.34.23 # I should probably just RTFM :) 20.34.29 # Yes, but a bookmark essentially saves that to disk 20.35.21 # What's a better player for Rockbox, incidentally? Clip Zip, or Clip+? 20.35.46 # both are the best 20.35.48 # actually, in general, what's a great player for Rockbox? I care about battery life 20.36.00 # zip or + 20.36.12 # I like them a lot, only problem is battery life is not great 20.36.40 # iaudio M5L 20.36.40 # I think it's ~15 hours for a fresh one, and it degrades pretty fast, at least has for me in the past with stock firmware 20.36.47 # Good luck finding one though 20.37.45 # I believe the fuze+ gets around 30 hours these days 20.38.01 # Fuze has better battery life, but unfortunately it has this weird connector 20.38.09 # but it has a horrible touch interface last I remember 20.38.17 # wow, 30 hours. I have Fuze+ too, the touch interface is terrible 20.38.27 # bertrik: yup, but doesn't Rockbox take care of that? 20.39.06 # not sure, I don't think so 20.39.11 # in general, stock firmware for Fuze+ is even more terrible than Sandisk's usually low standards 20.39.30 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@89-75-41-78.dynamic.chello.pl) 20.39.34 # according to the homepage, Fuze+ is "Unstable" 20.40.25 # regular Fuzes are working though. you can't get a new one cheaply, but I have a few old ones. 20.42.19 # possibly the fuze is actually the nicest sansa player, decent screen, AMS chipset, not too big/heavy 20.44.10 # fuze v2 seems to have 20+ hours runtime 20.45.22 # right, too bad they "upgraded" it to the horrible Fuze+ 20.46.01 # I don't think anyone likes the Fuze+... right now it's at the same price point of the Clip+, which is so much worse hardware-wise 20.51.42 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 20.54.04 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 20.55.23 # Rockbox works great with the Fuze+ 20.55.39 # very usable, even with the touch pad 20.56.45 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@pD9E41503.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.57.14 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 20.57.33 # going to try that. nothing to lose; I haven't touched it since purchase :) 20.58.01 # it's just sitting there, a brand new Fuze+ that hasn't been turned on since purchase 20.58.10 # "I don't think anyone likes the Fuze+." That's what I thought before discussing here with pamaury and copper ahaha 20.58.20 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 21.00.07 # I actually agree with bertrik. even if RB works perfectly, Fuze+ is so much more bulky than Fuze 2 21.00.33 # Fuze 2 is still the best player all around, only advantage of Fuze+ is the connector is standard micro USB 21.02.16 Quit pretty_function (Remote host closed the connection) 21.02.31 # bulky?? 21.02.47 # the Fuze+ is smaller than an iPod Classic, and much more light-weight 21.03.02 # you don't feel it sitting in your pocket 21.03.29 # it's very light 21.03.58 # it's all relative :) Fuze+ isn't huge, but it's larger than Fuze 2, which for me is the ideal size. 21.04.04 # i had both a fuze+ and a iclassic and i prefer the classic. i think its the touchpad that puts me off 21.04.11 # 64 grams 21.04.44 # vs 140 grams for the iPod Classic 21.05.03 # anything smaller is hard to use for me 21.05.15 # can't get a good grip on the Clip+ 21.05.25 # it's like a child's toy 21.05.46 # a small child* 21.06.31 # the Classic is laggy because of its HDD, which needs to be spun up whenever you access the filesystem 21.08.15 # also, the portrait mode display on the Fuze+ is a lot more convenient than the landscape mode of the Fuze v2 21.08.47 # and usability of the touch pad on the Fuze+ is fine with Rockbox 21.08.54 # it's nothing like the OF 21.09.16 # the page up / page down bindings are very useful when browsing large collections 21.17.49 Quit TeruFSX (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.18.13 Join TeruFSX [0] (~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net) 21.21.21 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 21.29.08 # It seems there are individual manuals for each player model. As an RB newbie, is there a "general" manual I should read? 21.29.36 # Or do I just read the one for my model, and assume all manuals are the same + small player-specific delta. 21.29.43 # the latter 21.30.23 # thanks 21.31.14 Quit markun (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 21.37.26 Quit stoffel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.42.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.54.19 # pamaury: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,33951.msg219609/topicseen.html#msg219609 22.00.32 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@host204-106-dynamic.249-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 22.01.49 Quit melmothX (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 22.03.41 Join melmothX [0] (~melmoth@unaffiliated/melmothx) 22.05.15 # dunpeal: yp-r0 battery life is about 25 hrs with rockbox 22.14.08 Quit akaWolf (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 22.24.52 Quit y4n (Quit: Assumption is the mother of all fuckups) 22.33.02 Quit thomasjfox (Read error: Operation timed out) 22.36.40 Join thomasjfox [0] (~thomasjfo@rockbox/developer/thomasjfox) 22.47.29 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-068-213-037-174.sip.mcn.bellsouth.net) 22.48.40 Quit ps-auxw (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 23.00.21 Join ps-auxw [0] (~arneb@2001:470:c807:0:1532:4e5f:2ad3:4123) 23.03.49 Quit lorenzo92 (Remote host closed the connection) 23.10.52 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23.24.08 Quit thomasjfox (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 23.31.54 Quit ender` (Quit: The best way to accelerate a Macintosh is at 9.8m/sec²) 23.38.20 Quit melmothX (Quit: #) 23.42.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.43.37 Quit pamaury (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.44.38 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 23.46.16 Quit wodz (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23.51.30 Quit prof_wolfff (Read error: Operation timed out)