--- Log for 02.08.113 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 5 hours ago 00.05.56 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 00.18.12 Quit Rower (Quit: Hmmm...) 00.21.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.21.14 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@101.161.52.30) 00.21.14 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 00.21.14 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.30.07 Join mikroflops [0] (~yogurt@h-179-221.a238.priv.bahnhof.se) 00.35.23 Quit bertrik (Read error: Operation timed out) 00.36.51 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 00.37.58 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.47.47 Quit tertu (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00.48.57 Join saratoga [0] (123e1c0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.62.28.10) 00.57.46 Quit mikroflops (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 00.58.49 Join mikroflops [0] (~yogurt@h-179-221.a238.priv.bahnhof.se) 01.10.43 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 01.43.56 Quit amayer (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 01.47.36 Join rdn [0] (~oop@cpe-69-204-124-212.buffalo.res.rr.com) 01.50.57 Quit DexterLB (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 01.55.48 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@h34.57.21.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 02.21.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.29.08 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.29.28 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-49.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 02.51.05 Nick DormantBrain is now known as SuperBrainAK (~andy@shared02.balt01.cd.2g2u.net) 03.32.13 Quit Bagder (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04.08.11 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-17-238.btc-net.bg) 04.21.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.22.01 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.22.02 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.22.02 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.22.02 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.22.04 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.22.07 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.24.24 Join tertu [0] (~tertu@65-128-181-81.mpls.qwest.net) 04.32.43 Quit [Saint] (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 04.33.00 Quit Raptors (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 04.33.27 Join Raptors [0] (~whoneedsa@216-58-33-203.cpe.distributel.net) 04.34.50 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/user/saint) 04.36.35 Join Raptors_ [0] (~whoneedsa@216-58-33-203.cpe.distributel.net) 04.36.36 Quit Raptors (Disconnected by services) 04.57.10 Quit pystar89 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 05.11.03 Join ikeboy [0] (~dell@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 05.21.47 Quit ikeboy (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05.41.50 Quit TheSeven (Read error: Operation timed out) 05.43.59 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.03.42 Quit saratoga (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 06.21.12 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 06.21.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.37.34 Quit mrtux (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 06.42.50 Join mrtux [0] (~colin@75-167-101-165.desm.qwest.net) 06.53.12 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 06.57.04 Join pystar89 [0] (~pystar89@ip-109-90-154-150.unitymediagroup.de) 07.06.09 Quit madcat1990 (Quit: Leaving) 07.06.34 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 07.11.15 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 07.13.02 Quit habys (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 07.14.30 Join habys [0] (~luke@arikui.org) 07.17.01 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 07.28.11 Quit fyre^OS (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07.28.27 Quit habys (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 07.30.15 Join habys [0] (~luke@arikui.org) 08.14.15 Quit mrtux (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 08.21.02 Join mrtux [0] (~colin@75-167-102-209.desm.qwest.net) 08.21.13 Quit DexterLB (Quit: So long and thanks for all the fish) 08.21.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.22.34 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-17-238.btc-net.bg) 08.30.46 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08.42.41 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 08.54.18 Quit tertu (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 09.07.50 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.25.02 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2a01:d0:ffff:34a::8:3) 09.36.16 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.40.49 Join Bagder [241] (~daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 10.21.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.32.32 # lol, after USB Low Speed, Full Speed, High Speed and SuperSpeed, welcome to USB SuperSpeed+! 10.33.07 # (10 Gbps) 10.36.23 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 10.38.02 # Good 10.40.35 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 10.44.22 Join lebellium_ [0] (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 10.45.41 Quit lebellium (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 10.45.47 Nick lebellium_ is now known as lebellium (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 11.01.49 Quit scorche (Disconnected by services) 11.01.53 Join scorche` [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 11.11.42 # Hang on the "Building database... XXX found" message. Is it a known issue on RaaA (Android)? 11.13.11 # are there music files present? 11.13.55 # Sure. For me (galaxy s2) it's stuck on 0 found 11.16.00 # just asking because there's a general rockbox bug with creating the database and no audio files present 11.19.37 # well... I don't know where it looks for files though. Android structure may be complex (2 internal memory partitions + microSD on my GS2) 11.35.36 # hum 11.35.53 # looks like when I select the folders manually for the database, it works 11.36.08 # so there is probably an issue with the default folder(s) to analyse 11.48.12 Join scorche [0] (~scorche@ip68-2-90-161.ph.ph.cox.net) 11.48.19 Quit scorche (Changing host) 11.48.19 Join scorche [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 11.48.54 Quit scorche` (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.50.32 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 12.04.50 Quit bzed (Remote host closed the connection) 12.04.57 Join bzed [0] (~bzed@devel.recluse.de) 12.06.41 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@pD9E41CEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.07.50 Quit ps-auxw (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 12.14.24 Nick SuperBrainAK is now known as DormantBrain (~andy@shared02.balt01.cd.2g2u.net) 12.14.44 Join ps-auxw [0] (~arneb@2001:470:c807:0:1532:4e5f:2ad3:4123) 12.21.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.54.08 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 13.10.41 Quit stoffel (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 13.12.51 Join mortalis [0] (~mortalis@118.34.139.222) 13.15.27 Join robin0800 [0] (~Robin0800@cpc1-brig15-2-0-cust755.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) 13.18.37 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@host174-6-dynamic.252-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 13.29.54 # bluebrother: did you have time to work on the cramfs hack for rbutil? 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It's not trying to figure out what my host environment is like? 16.53.59 # Because that's what the real classical configure scripts were like. A real work of art. 16.54.46 # It does seem to be like a real pre-autotools configure script. 16.54.50 # except that you don't compile for your hardware, you compile for one of the 30+ different architectures with very different characteristics we support 16.55.02 # Yeah, but you have to know what's on the host too. 16.56.06 # Er, on the source. 16.56.12 # I always confuse host with source. 16.56.36 # Host with build. 16.56.53 # I meant you have to know what's on the build, which in this case is the same as the host. 16.57.02 # Anyways... 16.58.31 # Hm, can I use the automatic build but give a different prefix? 16.58.40 # for the cross-compiler ? 16.58.43 # Yeah. 17.04.02 # Not without editing the script I think, we not recommend using another cross compiler because it might generated faulty code and some of our target require a specific gcc. That's out of memory, I would need to check the code to see. 17.04.04 # Yes. You need to set an environment variable 17.04.33 # export RBDEV_PREFIX as wherever you want it 17.04.39 # Okay, the thing is, I don't like stuff going in /usr/local if I can't track it. I'd rather build gcc and use checkinstall for the make install step. 17.04.45 # And put stuff in /usr. 17.05.00 # * gevaerts 's toolchain is somewhere in his home directory 17.05.09 # Or just put the built gcc in the same build directory as rockbox. 17.05.10 # Yeah. 17.05.48 # RBDEV_PREFIX should be documented a bit better 17.06.08 # Okay, so just editing the script seems pretty easy, there's only one mention of /usr/local 17.06.11 # ah, /me misunderstood the question, you mean when building our toolchain, my mistake 17.07.18 # If you mean build our toolchain elsewhere than /usr/local, yeah use RBDEV_PREFIX and then in the configure script either make sure the cross compiler is in the path, that's the best option 17.15.08 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 17.16.08 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/user/saint) 17.20.17 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! 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Too little time ... 20.33.24 Quit lorenzo92 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 22.0/20130712032019]) 20.34.15 # I'm still interested in doing something about it though. Just need to find the time :) 20.56.40 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 21.01.57 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 21.03.00 Join krabador [0] (~krabador_@unaffiliated/krabador) 21.06.00 Join bertrik_ [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 21.09.41 Quit scorche (Disconnected by services) 21.09.45 Join scorche` [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 21.10.56 Quit DexterLB (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 21.12.12 Join stoffel [0] (~quassel@pD9E406A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.12.18 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77.85.11.47) 21.17.28 Join ikeboy [0] (~dell@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 21.20.13 Quit bertrik (*.net *.split) 21.20.14 Quit GodEater (*.net *.split) 21.22.36 Quit habys (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 21.24.53 Quit ikeboy (Remote host closed the connection) 21.25.33 Join saratoga [0] (123e1c0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.62.28.10) 21.26.37 Join habys [0] (~luke@arikui.org) 21.33.36 Nick bertrik_ is now known as bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 21.34.10 Join JordiGH [0] (~jordi@octave/developer/JordiGH) 21.34.17 # Wee, building rockbox. 21.35.57 # Ha, so cute, this was converted from CVS. 21.36.55 # It doesn't look like much of anyone has been working on the chessbox plugin... 21.36.58 # Not directly. There's an svn era in between 21.37.22 # Is its code somewhere other apps/plugins/chessbox* ? 21.37.27 # other than? 21.40.06 # It might use some bits from apps/plugins/lib, and apparently it uses lib/fixedpoint/. Images are in apps/plugins/bitmaps/native 21.40.08 # Neat, that finished building. If I just want to update chessbox, can I just copy chessbox.rock, or do I have to do install the whole rockbox OS? What is a rock file, anyways? 21.40.40 # Is it a so lib for arm? 21.40.42 Join GodEater [0] (~whoknows@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 21.40.47 # And that's why file(1) can't figure out what it is? 21.40.48 # We use an array of function pointers to "link" plugins 21.41.24 # So it's basically mostly pure code, with a minimal header 21.41.37 # Object code, right? 21.41.52 # I guess you had to reimplement dlopen? 21.42.12 # It's much simpler than that :) 21.42.30 Join ikeboy [0] (~dell@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 21.43.01 # So, about the rockbox I have installed already, and is working, so I don't want to mess with it... do I get ABI compatibility? Can I just copy chessbox.rock over? 21.43.22 # If I just want to hack on chessbox, I mean. 21.43.25 # If you have a look at apps/plugin.h, you'll see a big struct. A copy of that is placed near the start of the rock file, and filled in after loading 21.43.28 # JordiGH: we sorta kinda have an ABI, but if the binary you have installed is not reasonably similar in time to the source you built it may not work 21.43.28 # In general, yes 21.43.50 # we don't always remember to bump the plugin interface version number when something changes either :) 21.43.55 # so sometimes it will load but then work wrong 21.44.01 # but we're *fairly* good about it :) 21.44.06 # Hm, now this is making me a bit more antsy. I don't want to break my rockbox installl. 21.44.09 # Well, it's not always trivial to know when it changes :) 21.44.20 # you can't relly break anything 21.45.02 # also, if you want to be certain it is compatible, just install the entire rockbox build you built 21.45.11 # once, the first time 21.45.14 # JordiGH: make a backup of .rockbox first, and nothing can go wrong :) 21.45.28 # you can just copy the plugin over after that as long as you're still using the same verison of the rest of the code 21.45.47 # Well, I don't want to be running a dev build either. 21.45.53 # I just want to hack on this one thing. 21.46.09 # Hm, maybe I can just branch out from the last tagged release instead. 21.46.52 # You can do that. For a plugin that nobody's touched in years, that shouldn't complicate later merges 21.48.55 # So, there's a bunch of tags here. And a bunch of branches. I'm running 3.13, but the 3.13 branch doesn't correspond to the 3.13-final tag. It actually seems to be ahead of the tag? So you guys kept advancing that branch after release? 21.49.13 # Yes, in case we want to release 3.13.1 21.49.29 # Oh, is 3.13 is the latest? 21.50.07 # We basically collect minor fixes (for a few weeks anyway, after which we tend to lose interest), and in case something major comes up, we do a point release, which will then also have those minor fixes 21.51.14 # 3.13-final is the latest release, 3.13 has some changes over that, but shouldn't be vastly different, master is what will one day be split off to 3.14 21.51.54 # Well, which should have been branched to 3.14 by now. We forgot, apparently :) 21.51.59 # We're not good at releases 21.53.00 # hg log -r 'tag("v3.13-final")::bookmark("v3.13")' 21.53.02 # Hmmm... 21.53.08 # Only 5 commits. 21.53.12 # Yeah, not a whole lot of changes. 21.53.28 Quit ikeboy (Read error: Operation timed out) 21.57.56 # What does FS mean? What's your bugtracker? 21.58.47 # Hm, development isn't super active anymore. I guess because everyone has moved on to smartphones and tablets. 22.00.00 # flyspray 22.00.04 # * gevaerts nods 22.00.14 # Yes, we're slowly falling asleep 22.03.46 Quit kevku (Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) 22.05.04 Join ikeboy [0] (~dell@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 22.07.15 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: Bye ;)) 22.16.40 # I don't think I even managed to put 3.14 in the schedule, let alone remembered to announce/branch etc 22.21.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.27.25 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 22.28.51 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 22.40.46 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 22.43.07 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 22.44.28 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 22.52.38 Quit ikeboy (Quit: Ex-Chat) 23.01.26 Quit DexterLB (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 23.03.28 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@77-85-9-10.btc-net.bg) 23.12.46 Quit stoffel (Remote host closed the connection) 23.17.36 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 23.17.41 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 23.20.14 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23.21.42 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g224238241.adsl.alicedsl.de) 23.21.54 Join Rower [0] (husvagn@v-413-alfarv-177.bitnet.nu) 23.30.54 Quit DexterLB (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 23.31.26 Quit JordiGH (Quit: Jacking out) 23.34.24 Quit saratoga (Quit: Page closed) 23.36.02 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@79-100-1-102.btc-net.bg) 23.42.39 Quit ender` (Quit: You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.) 23.43.40 Quit y4n (Quit: Assumption is the mother of all fuckups) 23.49.07 # Yes, that's unfortunate but mp3 players are slowly dying, it's a shame because with phones, it seems no one is interested in how the hardware works, just throw some code which will be outdated in 2 months. I guess with get what we hoped for: cheap crappy phones to change every year with a battery life tending to 0. 23.49.25 # At least I know I won't work on this if I don't work on rockbox 23.54.01 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving)