--- Log for 12.09.113 Server: brooks.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 11 days and 15 hours ago 00.00.18 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 00.01.43 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 01.00.14 Quit ender (Quit: Kiss a pair of boobs and the movie's rated R. 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I went to the doctor, got a creme, and its fine now. 02.56.40 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@72.25.50.246) 03.03.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.06.50 Nick SuperBrainAK is now known as DormantBrain (~andy@74.112.203.135) 03.39.38 Quit amayer (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 03.39.46 Quit wowaname (Disconnected by services) 03.52.53 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@h36.63.21.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) 04.06.35 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.06.35 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.06.35 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.06.36 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.06.37 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.06.40 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.08.37 Join Synergist [0] (~synfn@node1.customhost.org.uk) 04.08.38 Quit Synergist (Changing host) 04.08.38 Join Synergist [0] (~synfn@unaffiliated/synergist) 05.00.17 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@ip70-178-52-92.ks.ks.cox.net) 05.00.17 Quit cmhobbs (Changing host) 05.00.17 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 05.03.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.33.43 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 05.51.34 Quit [7] (Disconnected by services) 05.51.43 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.05.16 Nick DormantBrain is now known as SuperBrainAK (~andy@74.112.203.135) 06.20.43 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 06.30.41 Join owen1 [0] (~oren@cpe-76-172-9-240.socal.res.rr.com) 06.31.50 # does rockbox support ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, iTunes AAC-LC? i try to listen to http://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/105743008-mikealrogers-community-chat-w-izs-and.m4a 06.32.12 # but my rockbox freezes in the middle. 06.32.28 # and sometimes it does't let me play those files at all 06.32.59 # if it's not supported, is there a way to convert it to different type? 06.44.28 Quit [Saint] (Quit: Page closed) 07.03.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.11.39 Join DrDnar1 [0] (~ander@pool-96-244-215-173.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) 07.14.03 Quit DrDnar (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 07.14.35 Quit ps-auxw (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 07.15.44 Join ps-auxw [0] (~arneb@2001:470:c807:0:1532:4e5f:2ad3:4123) 07.38.54 Join mortalis [0] (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 07.43.19 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-239-77.mcn.bellsouth.net) 07.48.49 Quit mortalis (Remote host closed the connection) 07.49.13 Join mortalis [0] (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 07.49.59 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 07.55.54 Join LinusN [0] (linus@giant.haxx.se) 08.05.39 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.12.06 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 08.18.04 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@184.76.254.130) 08.21.25 Quit sciopat (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.25.31 Quit Provel (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08.25.51 Join Provel [0] (~Provel@75-132-18-44.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 08.43.48 Nick x56 is now known as asshole (~0x56@sillytitties.com) 08.43.54 Nick asshole is now known as x56 (~0x56@sillytitties.com) 08.55.11 Nick megal0maniac_afk is now known as megal0maniac (~megal0man@unaffiliated/megal0maniac) 09.03.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.14.54 Quit GodEater (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 09.15.19 Nick SuperBrainAK is now known as DormantBrain (~andy@74.112.203.135) 09.17.23 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@sestofw01.enea.se) 09.17.23 Quit Zagor (Changing host) 09.17.23 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.19.52 Join GodEater [0] (~whoknows@97e12365.skybroadband.com) 09.23.23 Quit GodEater (Changing host) 09.23.23 Join GodEater [0] (~whoknows@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 09.23.42 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@46.18.27.126) 09.28.49 # kugel: what do you think about g#395? this time I ported only the necessary, no plugins at all for example... 09.28.52 # 3Gerrit review #395 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/395 : 3Samsung YP-R1 target port by Lorenzo Miori (changes/95/395/4) 09.29.05 # there are still some minor things to fix of course 09.32.55 # lorenzo92: one after another 09.33.02 # can we deal with the safe mode task first? 09.33.25 # kugel: absolutely, sorry 09.34.30 # I think it works fine, I'm testing again on my R1 right now 09.35.03 Part LinusN 09.35.10 Join LinusN [0] (linus@giant.haxx.se) 09.45.45 # kugel: strangely exit-on-power-button in safemode doesn't work anymore, I'll see why 09.46.10 # what do you mean= 09.46.12 # ? 09.47.29 # in the safe mode, if you hold power button the player should ask you to disconnect the player and then shut down 09.48.09 Join DrDnar [0] (~ander@pool-96-244-215-173.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) 09.50.41 Quit DrDnar1 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 09.52.10 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 09.53.44 Quit JdGord (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 09.56.01 Quit Maxdamantus (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 10.02.50 Join Maxdamantus [0] (~Maxdamant@2001:470:f078::dead:beef:cafe) 10.14.32 Join rdn [0] (~oop@cpe-69-204-124-212.buffalo.res.rr.com) 10.15.46 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 10.30.19 Quit linuxguy3 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 10.30.57 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 10.31.15 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 11.03.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.27.58 Quit fs-bluebot (Read error: Operation timed out) 11.28.25 Quit bluebrother^ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 11.29.00 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.30.13 Quit kiwicam (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 11.30.20 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g231121057.adsl.alicedsl.de) 11.30.27 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 11.30.45 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 11.35.32 Part megal0maniac 11.36.22 Join kiwicam [0] (~quassel@101.98.163.139) 11.36.27 # lorenzo92: is that in git or with your change on gerrit? 11.36.42 # because i didnt see that when testing the other task a few days ago 11.37.08 # kugel: gerrit g#528 11.37.11 # 3Gerrit review #528 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/528 : 3Samsung YP-R0/YP-R1 Safe Mode improvement by Lorenzo Miori (changes/28/528/8) 11.41.13 # not time to look at this yet, I'll do that later 11.53.10 # well ... battery bench results are in 11.53.27 # looks like it just needs calibrating to account for age related degradation of the battery 11.56.24 # as it drops down from 97% charge about 84% in one or two minutes then smoothly goes down after that 11.58.28 Quit lorenzo92 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0/20130812112419]) 12.02.11 # Cosmo^: how long did you get? 12.03.09 # just over 19 hours 12.05.28 # playing what kind of files? 12.05.40 # that's a rather low figure 12.14.23 Join [Saint] [0] (65629e67@rockbox/user/saint) 12.15.56 # that's just MP3s 12.16.18 # I wasn't expecting a great figure, this isn't a new iPod 12.21.41 # <[Saint]> What device is this? 12.22.04 # <[Saint]> ~19 hours, says the logs, but I missed the device if it was stated. 12.26.13 # classic 12.26.58 # yeah it's a 120gig classic 12.27.13 # <[Saint]> Oh, wow...that is much lower than I would expect. 12.27.23 # to be fair, it's an old, well used, second hand device 12.27.45 # <[Saint]> I can easily get 40+ hours out of my 160GB "fat" 6G 12.28.26 # <[Saint]> but, to be fair, that model has a larger battery at 850mAh 12.28.32 # it looks from the battery logs that through its age the battery is now at about 83% of its design capacity 12.29.01 # Cosmo^: how did you deduce this? 12.29.38 # <[Saint]> debug/battery perhaps? 12.29.55 Join LunaVorax [0] (~LunaVorax@cau33-2-82-227-183-10.fbx.proxad.net) 12.29.57 # Hello 12.30.09 # Does Rockbox support other filesystems than FAT? 12.30.13 # but there is no straight connection between voltage and capacity 12.30.16 # LunaVorax: no 12.30.46 # ok 12.30.47 # wodz, I did a battery bench yesterday and last night 12.31.05 # I'm just checking the output now and the voltage drops down to 83% in about 2 minutes then hits a smoother curve down to 0% 12.31.09 # Cosmo^: but you don't have discharge curve of NEW battery 12.31.13 # no, that's true 12.31.24 # but surely this is based on the expected voltages of a fresh battery? 12.31.47 # Cosmo^: So you don't know what capacity belongs to voltage range 100%-83% 12.31.49 # <[Saint]> the calibration is guestimation. 12.31.52 # the rockbox ipod classic battery percentage/voltage curves must be based on something right? 12.32.09 # <[Saint]> its way off. 12.32.15 # I see 12.32.20 # Cosmo^: I am not sure it was ever properly callibrated 12.32.28 # <[Saint]> if you look at estimated runtime, it'll claim something silly like 9000 minutes 12.32.33 # well, my intention was to calibrate it to my specific device 12.32.44 # because I can clearly see that that 100% - 83% band drops off straight away 12.33.10 # Cosmo^: Sure, this IS possible. What you can't claim from your benches is that your battery is at 83% of designed capacity 12.33.16 # ok, I agree wodz 12.33.20 # that makes more sense now you've explained it 12.33.49 # <[Saint]> this is the smaller, 500mAh battery, yes? 12.34.09 # I'd say it is more like 50-60% of original capacity 12.34.47 # yes, that sound feasible 12.35.05 # my assumption here is that the Rocbox percentage/voltage measurement was accurate 12.35.12 # based on a new battery 12.35.19 # which was clearly wrong! :) 12.35.24 # right I have to run, be back in an hour 12.35.30 # <[Saint]> if its a "thin" Classic, they only have a 500~600mAh battery if memory serves. 12.35.41 # yes, it's a thin one 12.35.42 # bbs 13.02.36 Quit mortalis (Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) 13.03.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.06.21 Quit stoyan (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.22.15 # * lebellium is proud of %?mh<%?mr<%xd(hold_ru)|%xd(hold_u)>|%?mr<%xd(hold_r)|>> with u=main unit and r=remote :D 13.56.35 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 13.58.51 # <[Saint]> why the need to differentiate between remote hold? 13.59.10 # <[Saint]> Surely the user knows which is set, and having both set is unlikely? 14.01.15 # <[Saint]> I just do %?mh<%xd(hold)|%?mr<%xd(hold)|%xd(no_hold)>>" 14.09.58 # If the user knows, why is the indication needed at all? :) 14.10.55 # <[Saint]> well, that's a damn good point, seeing as the screen will likely be off anyway ;) 14.21.32 # when you have hold both on remote and main unit, you may sometimes forget at some point which one is on or off. 14.22.02 # at least that happens to me with cabbiev2 for Cowon M3 which only shows hold for main unit 14.23.11 # and the screen never turns off on Cowon M3 ;) 14.25.02 # as on every b&w or greyscale displays :-) 14.25.59 # indeed 14.38.43 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 14.54.29 Quit michaelni (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 14.56.16 # <[Saint]> Hey, TheSeven, possibly silly question: 14.57.05 # <[Saint]> Is there enough room in the FW partition on the Classic to stash a copy of disk mode image? 14.59.28 # I also meant to ask, in terms of Classic bugs/fixes 14.59.43 # are there any that are easy that need doing that no one can be bothered with which I could fix for you? 15.02.17 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 15.03.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.03.51 Join michaelni [0] (~michael@194-118-169-173.adsl.highway.telekom.at) 15.04.34 Quit owen1 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 15.13.51 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 15.16.20 Quit Topy44 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 15.19.51 Join owen1 [0] (~oren@cpe-76-172-9-240.socal.res.rr.com) 15.37.48 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Vamoose!) 15.49.13 Join Topy44 [0] (~Topy44@93.190.93.215) 16.02.57 Join Rower [0] (husvagn@v-413-alfarv-177.bitnet.nu) 16.04.03 Quit LunaVorax (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 16.08.35 Quit evilnick (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 16.08.42 Join evilnick [0] (~evilnick@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 16.09.50 Part LinusN 16.13.14 Join z180 [0] (~chatzilla@ip-2-207-15-170.web.vodafone.de) 16.35.56 # a minor question as well ... if you're doing your own build of rockbox, is there a way to set an alternative default theme? 16.41.52 # Cosmo^: why do you want to do that ? 16.46.45 Quit z180 (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 16.47.28 # no particular reason, I'm just interested 16.50.23 # I guess it's possible, but not so interesting, since every build should ship with some themes you can change. 16.51.22 # I was more considering that, for example 16.51.52 # this iPod I've got doesn't work with the original firmware but does with rockbox, so I thought about the idea of basically building a rockbox build that gets as close as possible to the original firmware look and feel out of the box 16.51.55 # if that makes any sense 16.53.17 # Cosmo^: I don't really understand, you can just change the theme 16.53.47 # download the zip file, unpack it at the root, select it in the list of themes, done 16.54.15 # yeah, that's what I would normally do 16.54.18 # it was just an idea 16.54.25 # say, if I was giving the iPod to someone else 17.03.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.04.21 # <[Saint]> errr...one sec. 17.05.31 # <[Saint]> Cosmo^: http://www.datafilehost.com/d/31b9ecbe 17.05.40 # <[Saint]> Its a little something I cooked up. 17.06.02 # <[Saint]> About as close to a blend of Apple firmware and Rockbox as you can get. 17.08.17 # <[Saint]> Additionally, if you want to make a binary ship with a theme other than cabbie, you can simply edit the compiled .zip file and include the theme(s) you want, whilst copying the theme .cfg file to the root of the zip and renaming it config.cfg so it is executed at boot. 17.14.38 # thank you [Saint] 17.15.33 # I will put that in later when I do this fresh build with my updated battery measures 17.16.02 # this iPod has some very strange behaviour, I basically installed Rockbox to try and troubleshoot whether the issues it had were a hardware or software problem 17.16.13 # turns out it's totally fine with Rockbox, and now I'm keeping it because I quite like it :) 17.18.55 Quit JdGordon| (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.19.05 Quit froggyman (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 17.19.12 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@c122-107-209-130.mckinn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) 17.19.12 Quit JdGordon| (Changing host) 17.19.12 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 17.19.31 Join froggyman [0] (~froggyman@unaffiliated/froggyman) 17.30.59 Join maruk [0] (~papier@titanium.v6.sdv.fr) 17.34.20 Quit [Saint] (Quit: Page closed) 17.39.02 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@89.141.51.216.dyn.user.ono.com) 17.45.40 Join Bandikoto [0] (~abeals@sa-csf.nat.ku.edu) 18.04.08 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 18.04.22 Join z180 [0] (~chatzilla@ip-2-202-88-112.web.vodafone.de) 18.07.26 # First theme for Cowon M3! http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1920 :) 18.09.53 # lebellium: what's the original samsung UI? 18.10.17 # Samsung YP-R0 18.11.17 # my first theme was for Samsung YP-R0/Fuze+, it's very close to the original Samsung UI. Of course on other targets it's not necessarily close but I want to keep the same name for all my themes :) 18.13.20 # I see 18.13.50 # it's not obvious, but indeed you use (some of) the design elements of the original theme 18.13.50 # http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?searchtheme&searchword=lebellium%20Samsung-like&searchtype=name 18.14.05 # if you look at the 11 themes at the same time 18.14.17 # you'll see similar design elements :) 18.14.21 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 18.14.33 # did you fall in love with the YP-R0 or something? :D 18.14.45 # yes 18.14.49 # I have 5 YP-R0 18.14.54 # it's the best MP3 player ever :) 18.15.32 # whyyy do you have FIVE of them? 18.15.59 # because I needed several ones at the time I worked with Samsung to report and fix bugs :) 18.17.29 # then it was also good to have several ones when lorenzo started the Rockbox port 18.18.49 # maybe it's good for towers! 18.19.08 # lebellium: how's the central roundish button thing? 18.19.17 # on the DAP, not on your themes 18.19.35 # copper: better than any touchpad \o/ 18.19.43 # is it sort of a cross pad? 18.19.51 # up / down / left / right? 18.20.32 # the circle frame is up/down/left/right. In the middle the selection button 18.20.55 # two more questions: how's the display, and are there RMAA measurements for the DAP? 18.21.41 # nm the last question 18.21.45 # http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59713 18.24.01 # I wonder what the output impedance is 18.24.49 # The display is average (viewing angles and 2.6" is quite big for 240x320) http://imageshack.us/a/img836/2238/20130306174018bis.jpg 18.25.41 # would you say it's similar to the Fuze+ display? 18.26.01 # let me compare 18.29.07 # yes it's quite similar. colors are a bit different, viewing angles are bit better on R0, fuze+ looks a bit sharper 18.29.36 # hmm, no reason for me to switch then 18.30.56 # I like the R0 much better than the Fuze+ because of the tactile buttons vs touchpad and plastic case vs aluminum case. The rest is quite similar 18.32.18 # The Fuze+ has a native port vs RaaA for R0 so the Fuze+ boots faster 18.35.35 Quit maruk (Quit: Leaving.) 18.50.28 # the R0 boots OF and then runs RaaA? 18.56.45 # There is the original Samsung bootloader you can't bypass then either it boots the Samsung application (OF) or RaaA 18.58.04 # that means you see the Samsung logo for about 10 seconds before it starts rockbox 19.03.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.08.54 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 19.20.03 # so, I'm editing powermgmt-ipod-pcf.c for my 6G 19.20.15 # and I assume that for the 6G it takes the values as defined for 'other' ipods ? 19.23.13 # nm, found the define for the 6G, I'll add that 19.48.49 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 20.08.41 Quit Cosmo^ (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 20.08.55 Join Cosmo^ [0] (~Freenode@ks3301831.kimsufi.com) 20.10.31 Quit Cosmo^ (Client Quit) 20.10.44 Join Cosmo^ [0] (~Freenode@ks3301831.kimsufi.com) 20.21.20 Quit DrDnar (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.22.13 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 20.28.25 # hey 20.28.38 # should i use MSC or MTP mode on Sandisk Sansa Zip ? 20.30.28 # so, if I've got a rockbox install on an EmCore based iPod 6G, what's the easiest way to upgrade the rockbox install from a rockbox.zip ? 20.35.30 # nm, got it 20.41.41 # draft: msc usually, if you use mtp you'll probably need to use the rockbox database to make sense of the files 21.00.55 # ok... i was wondering is it possible to install a Linux Live distro also on Sansa Clip Zip ? 21.01.47 # can first 512 bytes of sda be overwritten? the files would be in sda1 filesystem as FAT32. 21.02.07 # 512 bytes for MBR 21.02.41 # i have Rockbox on flash already... and i tried removing all the files etc. it gives me fallback mode to transfer Rockbox back. 21.03.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.12.06 Join liar [0] (~liar@83.175.90.24) 21.18.12 Quit liar (Remote host closed the connection) 21.27.46 Join liar [0] (~liar@83.175.90.24) 22.25.13 Join crunchbang [0] (~crunchban@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 22.25.28 Part crunchbang 22.26.19 Join ikeboy [0] (~crunchban@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 22.34.24 Quit y4n (Quit: We're fucking 3LN!) 22.38.56 Part Bandikoto 22.42.05 Quit ikeboy (Quit: Leaving) 23.03.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.15.00 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 23.21.01 Quit liar (Quit: huiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii) 23.26.34 Quit Rower (Quit: Hmmm...) 23.32.38 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 23.32.44 Quit pamaury (Read error: Operation timed out) 23.48.10 Join kaputnik [0] (~kaputnik@port-92-206-32-209.dynamic.qsc.de) 23.48.16 # hi 23.48.50 # may you can help me 23.49.23 # i only hear noise and spikes if i play ogg files on my fuze+ 23.49.36 # rockbox is form git master 23.50.08 # mp3,aac and son on are ok 23.54.12 Join [Saint] [0] (65629e67@rockbox/user/saint) 23.54.57 # Cosmo^: just extract the zip file? 23.58.13 # yeah that's fine, I sorted it 23.58.19 # just had problems going from one install to another, it hung