--- Log for 09.11.113 Server: sendak.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 days and 18 hours ago 00.01.22 # yeah but it also means less developers 00.02.51 # *might mean. I'm shoving my opinion back where it's useful - meant no arguing of subjective sentiments:) 00.03.23 # is building in windows as needlessly painful as one might assume? 00.04.11 # yes 00.04.22 # I'm not sure you can run rockbox in windows, you need a vm 00.04.29 # so yes :/ 00.05.22 # good. nightlies of xbmc and cm10.2 started boring my buildbot:D 00.05.54 # * DuperMan fondles some wiki 00.11.44 # cloning:) 00.13.42 # to have a build bot you need some script, I don't remember where it is, it's probably written on the wiki 00.15.04 # oh nothing official lol. I'm an autodidact douch 00.15.06 # :/ 00.15.32 # I do stuff what looks cool until it acts as pros make it 00.17.31 # haha understood, but for buildbots you still need to use the same protocol as we do (which I have no idea what it is by the way) 00.17.38 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 00.18.05 # hence 'nothing official'. ok ok, call it 'my hobbyist other room computer' 00.18.06 # lol 00.18.37 # ;) won't mind running a real buildbot though, for the inches to mah epeen 00.27.46 # pamaury: tips for setting me env? fetched the sources and scripted a keep shit up to date script 00.28.45 Quit ender` (Quit: Power comes from wallsockets -- Starwhite) 00.30.36 Quit Narod () 00.34.33 # you need cross compiler of course 00.34.54 # we have a script in our code base to fetch them and install them (known working versions) 00.35.02 # the build client script keeps it up to date 00.35.11 # There are full instructions on the wiki 00.35.18 # got all that from setting env for android 00.35.20 # :) 00.35.28 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuildClient 00.35.31 # oh wait, shitload of odd archs lol 00.35.33 # thanks! 00.36.08 # yeah, we have mips, coldfire and sh :) 00.36.09 # <[Saint]> in the DAP world, those aren't odd architectures. 00.36.34 # they weren't odd, nowadays they are less and less common though 00.36.48 # actually arm was odd at the time ^^ 00.37.37 # odd - rare, anomalous, uncommon. 00.37.42 # :) 00.37.47 # the only recent non-arm daps I know are the iriver E100/200/300 series, atj soc, mips 00.38.18 # also: a number that is neither even nor zero 00.38.34 # mips is easy, afaik 00.38.57 # now vendors just pick android for arm (sic) 00.39.04 # yeah mips is easy apparently 00.39.49 # rofl dumb me. wget-ed the buildserver gits 00.40.00 # shouldv'e git fetch? pull? xD 00.40.24 # yes, you need to use git 00.40.27 # DuperMan: git pull 00.40.40 # check UsingGit (IIRC) in the wiki 00.40.59 # yeah UsingGit is your friend 00.41.32 # ehrm... maybe lazy friendlier? xD 00.41.37 # no 00.41.40 # got hint, will do 00.41.48 # AlexP! dewwwwwwwwd 00.41.48 # Someone has bothered to type it all out there 00.41.54 # I'm not going to do it again 00.42.14 # <[Saint]> Especially seeing as its perfectly fine as is. 00.42.47 # if not more ! 00.42.55 # <[Saint]> Indeed. 00.43.02 # wasn't earnstly asking to be tutored, sorry 00.44.13 # actually you should probably learn a bit of git, it's not really helping you to just give you the commands, git is not really intuitive and simple as svn for example 00.45.55 # I do so daily. just still at the 'won't dare upstream my assy code yet' 00.46.00 # :) 00.46.42 # AlexP: I know you from somewhere. won't bother over it, don't remember where 00.47.01 # Not that I'm aware of 00.47.10 # but you never know I suppose 00.47.38 # know of you? yup. either pedobear.net.sk or xda 00.47.45 # har. I shut up now 00.47.58 # a) not true b) not appropriate fvor here 00.48.04 # Stay on topic or get kicked 00.48.33 # hence mine shutting up. sorry:/ used to them droid badlands... 00.49.35 # ok 00.53.15 Nick SuperBrainAk is now known as DormantBrain (~andy@2001:470:8:a61::5f92:59a1) 00.55.20 # wow I'm so n00b. off to read, more. can't make heads or tails without dang 'repo' and prescripted envsetup:( 00.55.25 # mefail 01.03.09 Quit froggyman (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net) 01.11.41 Join treaki_ [0] (d0abef1e12@p4FF4B966.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.15.41 Quit treaki__ (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 01.19.31 # holy dang. even building zen utils challenges me:D 01.23.44 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131104182142]) 01.24.40 # meh. out for night. thanks all 01.24.42 # :) 01.24.46 Quit DuperMan (Remote host closed the connection) 01.31.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.31.42 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.13.53 Quit bertrik (Read error: 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How hacking e380 is going? 15.16.36 # And how work on everything else is going :>? 15.20.12 Quit pamaury (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 15.31.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.44.19 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 15.51.32 # I think pamaury is currently more focused on gettin the Creative ZEN devices to work nicely. :) 15.52.08 Quit mortalis (Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) 15.52.42 # Narod: Interesing :) 15.54.02 # I wish I had a good reverse engineering, hacking and programming skills as rockbox developer's but i don\t. 15.56.34 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 15.56.40 # Is there possiblity to run code at sony nwz that are based on linux? 15.56.54 # I don't mean running hacked firmware. 15.57.26 # Hi pamaury. 15.57.49 # Can you post the result of e380 hacking? 15.58.43 # I mean running a code like an app at the os, like a game. If there is section of the games, so why there is no way to add them< 15.58.44 # ? 15.58.54 # Shitty non-polish keyboard. Sorry. 16.05.15 Join mortalis [0] (~mortalis@77.108.98.176) 16.06.10 # If you code and compile it for the device or rockbox, it's possible. But rockbox isn't a linux system, mind you. 16.06.49 # I know that rockbox is another hobby osdev project. 16.08.25 # But the device don't have option to load a program from the file or so. 16.08.41 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:27:773:0:feed:c0f:fee) 16.09.22 # There no possiblity to load another firmware. @pamaury was working on it, but he said that no big work was done, it is just beginning. 16.09.33 # That's why a bootloader is necessary. 16.09.52 # Nerod: or an exploit. 16.10.01 # Yeah. 16.11.51 # Meh, if there was the way for dumping firmware. 16.12.06 # What chipset is the e380 based on? 16.12.32 # I dont know so, but i dumped firmware week ago and send it to @pamaury. 16.13.10 # But I dont want to make anything useful on e380, but at e470. 16.13.38 # E470 is having linux based fw. E380 is easy to hack, that what pamaury said. 16.14.04 # But nothing was done at e470. Scsitool is too not working for it. 16.14.44 # E380 for example is based on non-based linux os. 16.14.45 # Let me guess, Sony never released a firmware update for the e470? But they have to provide sources it it's based on linux. 16.15.43 # Narod: Hmm, sure. 16.15.46 # Szczepancio: noone's born with skills in programming and reverse engineering :) 16.17.15 # n1s: True, i'm sure if I was coding, and doing re everyday I can be at good level as others developers. 16.17.37 # The linux based dap from sony are not really easy to hack because the firmware upgrade mechanism needs a key which you cannot find. What I realised by doing some reverse engineer is that using custom scsi commands you can retrieve the key if you know the "NVP map": that's why I aked Szczepancio to run scsitool: get a map and the key. I wrote some tools to create a valid firmware upgrade file (assuming you know the key) but if you doing it at 16.17.37 # random, you'll brick your device, 100% probability 16.18.09 # For the E380, I didn't have much time to work it during the week obviously, I'll do some this week-end. 16.18.15 # pamaury: Interesing. 16.19.25 # pamaury: So, you got key or not? 16.19.29 # also note that while Sony provides the code of the kernel, it's mostly useless, all the interesting models are binary 16.20.14 # Szczepancio: it must be somewhere in the huge dump from scsitool you made, I think I spotted one entry which could be a key, no way to be sure without trying 16.21.08 # Ah, I got it. So its hard to hack because trying another key will brick an device. Do you still have this dump? 16.21.15 # pamaury: ? 16.21.44 # No, if you get the wrong key it won't upgrade, but if you send an empty upgrade with a valid key, you will brick it 16.22.16 # so you need to send *at least* an upgrade with a valid *and* a valid script, which you have no way of being 100% sure it will work unless...you try it 16.22.20 # 3Gerrit review #100 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/100 : 3IAP rework patch 8: Revert to static buffers by (changes/00/100/1) 16.23.10 # this "minimal" upgrade script must do one thing: switch off the upgrade flag 16.25.34 # pamaury: Wat is doing upgrade flag? 16.25.44 # tells the device to upgrade 16.26.00 # if you don't clear it, you will be stuck in an infinite upgrade loop 16.26.24 # Ah. 16.27.22 # pamaury: So, we don't know way to clear update flag and write useful fw right? 16.27.32 # (valid fw) 16.27.51 # I know how to clear it on the E440, but I can't ensure you it will work on the E470 16.27.54 Quit pretty_function (Remote host closed the connection) 16.28.00 Join rdn [0] (~oop@cpe-69-204-124-212.buffalo.res.rr.com) 16.28.20 Join pretty_function [0] (~sigBART@123.252.214.193) 16.28.22 # on the E440 I was able to run trivial programs this way: run a script which clear the flag and does something (like display an image) 16.29.27 # pamaury: Interesing. How you found the way to clear an flag? 16.29.59 # I tear down the device, extract the internal storage, hook it up with custom electronics and dump it to my hard drive 16.32.39 Quit pretty_function (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 16.34.39 Quit Guest17648 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 16.36.48 # I'll be back later 16.39.48 # Meh, it's sounds like black magic for me. 16.40.11 # I understood it but i never did it. 16.44.54 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 16.45.27 # pamaury: internal storage...you mean the nand or just an eeprom or so? 16.54.57 Quit lorenzo92 (Remote host closed the connection) 16.55.48 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@host158-109-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 17.00.55 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 17.01.00 Quit pamaury (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 17.01.08 Quit krabador (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.01.28 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 17.02.34 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 17.05.38 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 17.06.05 Quit pamaury (Client Quit) 17.11.09 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 17.13.59 Quit Szczepancio (Quit: Page closed) 17.15.05 Join Guest17648 [0] (~husvagn@90-230-140-28-no41.tbcn.telia.com) 17.25.19 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@p57A66DDE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.25.21 Quit kugel (Changing host) 17.25.21 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 17.31.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.34.03 Quit Guest17648 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 17.34.35 Join Guest17648 [0] (~husvagn@90-230-140-28-no41.tbcn.telia.com) 17.46.41 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@nl118-168-30.student.uu.se) 17.46.42 Quit n1s (Changing host) 17.46.42 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 17.57.48 Nick DormantBrain is now known as SuperBrainAk (~andy@2001:470:8:a61::5f92:59a1) 18.16.34 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 18.20.52 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@p57A66DDE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.20.52 Quit kugel (Changing host) 18.20.52 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 18.25.55 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18.34.18 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 18.46.36 Quit lorenzo92 (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 19.23.16 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19.26.34 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 19.28.31 # lorenzo92 (logs): internal storage on those is eMMC and it's on its pcb that you can detach from the main board 19.31.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.32.59 Join thegeek [0] (~thegeek@60.36.34.95.customer.cdi.no) 19.33.31 Quit thegeek_ (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 19.40.22 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@p57A66DDE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.40.22 Quit kugel (Changing host) 19.40.22 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 19.50.05 Join Dynion [0] (4dac8371@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.172.131.113) 19.51.07 # well... it felt easier to buy another classic :) 6th gen this time... 19.53.37 # any tips on how to get rockbox on it? doesnt seem like im not going to get an easy installer this time... 19.59.13 # Dynion: http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic 19.59.27 # i was hoping that one was outdated 19.59.36 # nope 19.59.38 # ok:) c ya in a while 19.59.53 # thanks for the confirmation 19.59.54 # :p 20.10.12 # woop woop... i knew it wasnt hard... but didnt think it was this easy...:P 20.10.34 # and a new rockbox player arises ^_^ 20.11.11 # The iPod Classic devices are as big as the iPod Video, right? 20.12.42 # thinner 20.12.43 # Narod: you meen the screen for themes? if so yes 20.12.52 # Narod: ie, 320x240 20.13.03 # No, I mean the overall device measurements. 20.13.43 # If they're just as big, then those aren't for me. I already hate the thought of having a second device in my pocket that is as big as my smartphone. 20.14.31 # it's hardly as big as a smartphone 20.14.48 # i had that too at first, but then i decided it sounds easily good enough to justify the size 20.14.58 # and its a bit smaller 20.15.07 # thinner that is 20.15.18 # (as ipod video, and a lot smaller than smartphone) 20.16.16 # If it's as big as the iPod Video, then it's about as big as my S2. 20.16.49 # my smartphone is about s2 size, bit smaller even 20.17.10 # its 70% of length, about the same width and a littlebit thicker 20.17.41 # so its quite a bit smaller in length... which makes it far more comfortable to walk with 20.18.25 # I just hate having two devices of that size in my pocket. I mean, I own a Galaxy S Wifi which is essentially a competitor of the iPod Touch. It sounds great, offers awesome battery life...but the size. Jeez. 20.19.07 # So I just end up using my e360 or my Clip Zip. 20.21.08 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 20.21.20 # it isnt really a flaw to have a clip zip with rockbox... its a great player... 20.21.41 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 20.22.07 # To actually answer the original question, the classic is indeed exactly the same size as the video, although of course a modern thin classic is thinner than a thick video :) 20.22.27 # Well, with "exactly" meaning "at least within half a mm" 20.23.53 # Most Sansa players are great...until the headphone jack breaks. 20.24.01 # And thanks for answering that question. ;) 20.25.19 # I would probably use my Nano 2G all the time if it wasn't for that USB bug. I really wonder what causes that. 20.40.05 Quit pamaury (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 20.40.42 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 20.41.18 # Narod: Have you any other problems with Sansa devices? My Clip+ have a broken flash about two weeks… 20.43.29 # The sansa devices have poor quality flash it seems, they break one after the other after some time 20.43.31 Quit Dynion (Quit: Page closed) 20.44.13 # I never experienced a flash failure with a sansa device, to be honest. 20.44.25 # Stupid question: there's any alternatives? I mean cheap players supported by Rockbox. 20.44.41 # That said, I have a certain set of music on my devices that rarely changes. I only upgrade Rockbox to the latest dev build every few days. 20.45.09 # Not really, most devices aren't manufactured anymore...and if a device is supported by RB, its price usually skyrockets real quick. 20.45.35 # You can get used/refurbished iPod nano 1g/2gs for about 50 bucks, though. 20.45.55 # prymeroot: that's a very vague question, there are yes but they are usually pretty bad, or you need to buy them second hand 20.46.15 # I don't think rockbox has any impact on the prices of the players... 20.47.03 # In Germany it seems to be that way. I can look up any RB supported device and I rarely find one that's sold below 100€ 20.47.59 # pamaury: I know, but usually default fw is not very well or it is not supported. 20.49.01 # I have yet to encounter a device that offers proper functionality and is a) not a Sony or Apple device and b) not super expensive. Hell, even well equipped Android non-GSM devices are super expensive. 20.49.12 # for example sony nwz-e360 and nwz-e370 are supported (though early) stage and you can find cheap ones second hand 20.49.37 # in the future maybe some cheap archos devices will be 20.50.27 # you can also find cheap Creative ZEN, X-Fi and Mozaic and we are about to support them 20.50.42 # Yeah, I saw. Sounds interesting. 20.52.15 # 90$ for a Zen Mozaic on eBay US. Jeez. 20.52.28 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.52.28 # After a next broken Sansa device, I listening to music on Nokia 101. Yes, really. 20.53.50 # Narod: that's very high, in France I found some for 30/40€ 20.54.27 # Huh. That seems to be the price range for a 2GB one in the US or UK. 20.54.47 # Oh well, I still got a bunch of working players that are compatible with RB, so I'm good for now. 20.56.29 # Hm, in Poland I can buy Mozaic for about 20€ – 8G version. Second hand, of course. 20.57.57 # I feel like I'm getting screwed over by eBay. 21.04.51 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-193-180.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 21.05.22 # I really like Clip for its small size and OLED screen. It's a pity that it has a shitty jack. 21.05.56 # Writing Clip, I mean Clip+. 21.06.18 Quit pamaury (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.06.31 # The Clip Zip would be perfect if it wasn't for the, yes, shitty jack. 21.06.37 # It was my favourite sansa player so far. 21.08.12 # Narod: So what are you using now? Nano 2G, right? 21.08.43 Quit mortalis (Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) 21.09.44 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 21.10.19 # Nah, I'm using my sony e360. The nano 2g is great and all, but Rockbox is pretty much broken on it. Plug in USB and the device freezes. 21.10.30 # Well, saying it's broken is wrong. 21.10.34 # USB simply doesn't work. 21.11.01 # I see. 21.25.24 Join Zarggg [0] (~zarggg@24.229.140.62.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) 21.31.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.38.23 # Can a couple of developers with PP based iPods have a look and a try with http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/533/ . Change Ie8fc0983: Updated IAP commands based on the work of Lalufu. I've been using this code for a while and I'd like to get it included before I make any more changes to it. Thanks 21.49.00 # andypotter: I'll have a look soon. Unless someone comes up with a serious reason not to push (such as an unexpected upcoming release, we can hope!), I suspect we can just go for it 21.51.17 # If it does get committed, can Lalufu be credited as the author? It's mostly all his work with only a few additons by me. 21.52.17 # Yes 21.52.48 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 21.54.25 # Actually, let me try to push something to gerrit that's ready for commit 21.54.36 Join saratoga [0] (123e11e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.62.17.224) 21.54.39 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 21.54.45 Quit krabador (Quit: Leaving) 21.54.46 # I tested out the magnitude and phase response of the Rockbox EQ if anyone is curious: http://imgur.com/87qxDTB 21.54.52 # thats with just the one band active 21.55.12 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 21.55.40 # I have no idea what that means, but graphs are good. :) 21.56.02 Quit bluebrother (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.56.05 Quit fs-bluebot (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.56.13 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 22.00.33 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g224236234.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.04.00 # andypotter: I've pushed a new version to gerrit with the author bits, and the commit message edited to make sense with the authors swapped. 22.04.11 # I've also reverted some whitespace change to apps/SOURCES :) 22.04.35 # saratoga: looks good, right? 22.05.20 # bertrik: can you have a quick look at this latest iap patch? I'd like to push this... 22.05.22 Quit rela_ (Changing host) 22.05.22 Join rela_ [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 22.05.26 Nick rela_ is now known as rela (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 22.07.17 # gevaerts: I don't have a working ipod peripheral, but I like the patch 22.07.41 # don't need a seperate .h file for each lingo though I think 22.08.10 # I like that we're now back at the point where there are *no* changes to anything strictly outside iap 22.10.33 # i have a vw radio with an ipod hookup, and am willing to test shit, if that helps any 22.12.26 Nick SuperBrainAk is now known as DormantBrain (~andy@2001:470:8:a61::5f92:59a1) 22.12.36 # lonoxmont: that would probably help, yes. Have you used the current support? 22.13.02 # the what now? 22.13.31 # I mean, there has been support for ipod accessories for a long time now 22.13.43 # What this patch is supposed to do is improve it a lot 22.14.06 # So testing would be more useful if compares both 22.14.23 # i tried the latest stable and a custom compiled one with the vid/pid changed, neither worked 22.14.38 # well, charging worked but that was it 22.14.59 # OK, so at least for you it can't get worse :) 22.15.28 # i suspect its going to be a pain in the ass to make my accessory work as it writes text to the screen under apple firmware, as well as some other things im not quite sure about 22.17.13 # gevaerts: so what do i need to do to test out your patch and such? 22.17.34 # Well, it's not *my* patch as such :) 22.17.42 # andypotter: can you provide some hints on what to test? 22.18.33 # bertrik, andypotter: I'm now working on merging the lingo headers 22.19.32 # gevaerts: ok great, I'll apply it locally and check with cppcheck 22.19.41 # Hmm, one warning 22.19.52 # The usual size_t signedness stuff :) 22.21.40 # bah, pushed to gerrit too soon :( That one won't even build! 22.21.56 # bah, chromium and/or gerrit are being difficult 22.22.38 # bertrik: patchset 8 should be OK 22.22.51 # ok, thanks 22.43.56 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@178.174.204.143) 22.43.56 Quit Zagor (Changing host) 22.43.56 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 22.52.39 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 22.53.06 Quit Raptors (Quit: Leaving) 22.53.30 Join kiwicam [0] (~quassel@121.99.176.30) 22.55.13 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 22.56.18 Join Raptors [0] (~whoneedsa@198-200-68-213.cpe.distributel.net) 23.03.43 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.16.28 Nick DormantBrain is now known as SuperBrainAk (~andy@2001:470:8:a61::5f92:59a1) 23.19.02 # gevarts: testing with anything that's using IAP over serial. Bluetooth Transmitter with headphones should also work. Nothing should be worse but a lot of things should be better, especially car head units that require authentication. My Alpine refuses to work with the latest release of Rockbox. 23.20.24 # gevaerts: sorry, also, I can't spell. 23.31.20 Quit rela (Quit: Leaving) 23.31.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.36.06 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 23.36.14 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@p57A66DDE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.36.14 Quit kugel (Changing host) 23.36.14 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.52.46 # bertrik: yeah, looks typical and the gains are indeed correct