--- Log for 11.11.113 Server: sendak.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 18 hours ago 00.13.01 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.18.17 # compile issue in debian, scripts want to use /usr/opt, only root can write there normally 00.18.48 # is possible to change the directory by editing the script, but its clunky and you have to manually add whatever you picked to your $PATH 00.19.05 # lonoxmont: I'm assuming you mean /usr/local? 00.19.22 # yeah that one 00.19.35 # And no, you do not have to edit the script. You can just override those environment variables 00.19.53 # im too dumb to make that work, so i edit the script (｡ ‿°) 00.19.57 # e.g. RBDEV_PREFIX=/tmp/idontneedthisforlong tools/rockboxdev.sh 00.20.47 # And for the other thing, there is *no* place (or there shouldn't be, report bugs to your distro if there is!) in your default PATH that doesn't require root 00.21.55 # So just pick a place you like in your home directory, use RBDEV_PREFIX to tell the scripts about it, and set PATH in your shell startup files 00.21.58 # just wondering if theres a reason why you dont just have all the compiler stuff spit out into a user controlled directory 00.22.25 # damn it, it seems that Creative didn't think right from the beginning that storage could be >4GB so their values are stuck to strange values when it is the case, I don't know how to properly handle that now ! 00.23.03 # lonoxmont: *which* user controlled directory? /usr/local/ is well-defined and always exists 00.23.30 # Also, there's quite a lot of precedent for software installing to /usr/local/ 00.23.33 # gevaerts: i would just have it be somewhere in wherever the initial install script is run from 00.23.50 # ugh, no! 00.23.56 # * gevaerts wouldn't like that *at all*! 00.24.18 # That's *entirely* against what I'd expect 00.24.36 # ah, then i guess the other projects ive dealt with have done it wrong 00.24.52 # sice you guys are the first project ive found that doesnt just pick one dir and do everything there 00.25.10 Join chrisjj [0] (561bb732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.27.183.50) 00.25.22 # You can't just run toolchains from anywhere. They need to know where they are, which implies an "install" step 00.25.34 # This isn't a random helper binary. This is the *compiler* 00.25.59 # You'll note that rockbox *itself* isn't handled that way 00.26.08 # and a compiler cannot ever be run from any dir not owned by root? 00.26.14 # im just curious 00.26.23 # Again, YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE ROOT AT ANY STAGE! 00.26.28 # Anyone else find flyspray Lost password is failing? I get "Notice: Undefined property: Swift_Transport_StreamBuffer::$_sequence in /home/apache_chroot/sites/rockbox.org/flyspray/includes/external/swift-mailer/classes/Swift/Transport/StreamBuffer.php on line 236" 00.29.02 # chrisjj: send an email to Zagor. (bjorn at haxx dot se). There are some issues with our flyspray installation and he's working on them, so he's the right person for this 00.29.17 # OK, will do - thanks G. 00.29.40 # well ill have to set up a dev environment anyhow as the box i was using blew up 00.29.52 # hopefully the changes are in whatever i pull down 00.31.21 # i just want my expensive thing to talk to my other expensive thing ( ≖‿≖) 00.32.37 # If you just want the latest IAP code, get a current development build 00.34.11 # eh, if changes need making to help with my oddball situation then its easier to do with a local dev environment, i would think 00.34.17 # then again >lonox 00.34.19 # >thinking 00.34.37 # Only if you manage to set it up and use it properly 00.35.10 # i know im a moron 00.35.18 # but the only way to get less dumb 00.35.21 # is to do things 00.35.29 # pamaury: ok the E380 user manual is a copy paste of the E370 manual, except some minor translation fixes (at least in French) and AAC-LC support for E380. So I would say it's exactly the same player except a minor software improvement (AAC support). 00.36.39 # we also have a virtualbox image with the dev tools setup if you don't want to set them up locally 00.36.51 # I should really update it to a more current ubuntu version though 00.36.58 # lebellium: thanks for checking 00.37.36 # saratoga: the problem isn't people not wanting to set up development tools, the problem is people asking questions about how to do it and then not reading the answers 00.37.43 # desktop or server? i know ubuntu desktop seems to be going more and more stupid with each new release 00.38.07 # its the plain the desktop version 00.38.16 # 400MB download, but it comes with all the tools and a GUI 00.38.29 # the annoying thing is stripping it down that small 00.38.40 # i don't know much abotu ubtuntu so it takes me forever 00.40.26 # saratoga: might be worth looking into another os, maybe debian or something 00.40.34 # yeah probably 00.43.09 # so i'm the first person to update teh change log in 5 months 00.43.14 # i'm sure we've had changes since then 00.44.10 # Oh, thanks. I'd forgotten about that! 00.44.23 # I knew it! Damn you Creative! 00.46.35 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LinuxSimpleGuideToCompiling needs updating, what i see in the installer isnt matching the website 00.47.47 # So their file system correctly records the disk size (16GB) but their stupid partition table was obviously written for 32-bit stuff and thus reports a size of 16GB mod 4GiB which is 3GB 00.48.04 # brilliant, absolutelt brilliant 00.50.19 # lonoxmont: what needs updating? 00.51.22 Quit ender` (Quit: And I don't offend religious people, they offend themselves. -- Markus Persson (notch)) 00.53.10 Join wowaname [0] (~wow@108.127.52.23) 00.54.25 # we have a lot of new ports that aren't even mentioned on the front page or change long 00.54.27 # log 00.54.59 # yeah, I'm lazy 00.56.48 # added some of the hifiman ports 00.56.53 # Yeah, it's quite impossible to find any NWZ wiki page if it doesn't appear in the latest pages :D 00.57.04 # are any of these new devices installable from rbutil? 00.58.50 # no 00.59.16 # we need to extract the firmware from them, Sony doesn't provide any firmware upgrade 00.59.46 # and i'm not sure it's a good idea to distribute the firmware I extracted 01.00.02 # what about the rockchip ones? 01.00.02 # saratoga: I'm not quite sure why you mention the new targets in the major changes since v3.14 most likely won't support them? 01.00.17 # we traditionally mentioned when we got sound on a new device 01.00.25 # we just cut those out of the release change logs 01.00.32 # ah 01.00.37 # its major changes for the entire project 01.00.41 # not just releases 01.00.44 # ok :) 01.01.05 # its a little weird because we were doing it back before we were doing regular releases again with 3.xx 01.01.32 # back then we didn't even have stable targets, versioned releases, or anything :) 01.02.24 # i think its important that we keep the major changes page semi up to date so that people have a way of knowing whats going on 01.02.30 Quit wowaname (Quit: <3) 01.02.42 # not just users, but also our huge pool of mostly but not always idle contributors too 01.03.21 # saratoga: the part where you select what arch to build for, at least thats the obvious thing 01.04.03 # because a was removed? 01.04.09 # saratoga: you're right, mentionning the new ports as major changes could be a good idea 01.04.26 # a was removed, another one was added but its scrolled away under lines of compiler messages 01.04.38 # yeah we do a really bad job of letting the community know what we are up to 01.04.52 # which makes us as a project a little inaccessible 01.06.10 # could someone modify the front page to add Creative ZEN, ZEN X-Fi, ZEN Mozaic, Sony NWZ-E370 and E380 as unstable ? 01.06.19 Join wowaname [0] (~wow@gateway/tor-sasl/wowaname) 01.06.22 # or maybe unusable to be sure 01.06.32 # yay i'm using the onion 01.06.37 # email one of the sweeds 01.06.42 # swedes 01.06.57 Quit Narod () 01.07.03 # it helps to commit it to git yourself first too 01.07.21 # pamaury: I don't know who is Andrew Ryabinin but he added (SVG?) pics for HiFi E.T. Maybe he can help us for Creative and Samsung YP-R1? 01.07.22 # the front page is in www/ right ? 01.07.37 # lebellium: that would be great ! 01.08.13 # yeah 01.08.16 # it's really a shame the Creative and Sony targets don't show up in the build table 01.08.19 # Andrew is the Hifi porter 01.08.25 Join kugel_ [0] (~kugel@p5DC53C47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.08.25 Quit kugel_ (Changing host) 01.08.25 Join kugel_ [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 01.08.42 # i fixed the wiki 01.08.47 # for compiling that is 01.09.01 # i also made it more clear that most users probably only want ARM 01.09.02 # what's his nickname? is he here? 01.09.15 # lebellium: which build table ? 01.09.28 # http://build.rockbox.org/ 01.09.30 # here 01.09.31 # pamaury: sorry I meant http://build.rockbox.org/. 01.09.32 # :) 01.09.50 # hum, they do in http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi 01.10.11 # I don't know how this page is generated 01.10.18 # i think they need to be marked as unstable or something like that 01.10.25 # the table doesn't show some builds 01.11.29 # ok I'm going to add some targets to the front page first 01.11.38 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 01.11.56 Quit treaki__ (Read error: Operation timed out) 01.12.22 # Andrew is "mortalis" btw 01.12.39 # who runs the gerrit tracker? Torne? 01.14.45 # saratoga: ok thanks. I'm not sure those are SVG pics though. I guess he only added small pics for the build table but I don't find any SVG pic for the user manual 01.15.21 # I made some (pretty ugly) bmp for the simulators, they can be used as a fallback 01.15.26 # there are probably SVG ones somewhere 01.15.29 # or maybe takes some pictures 01.15.32 # or at least vector right? 01.16.32 # also we should probably update our gerrit 01.16.33 # pamaury: well that would look weird next to all the other SVG pics 01.16.43 # i see a bunch of "Urgent Security Patch" headings for much newer versions than we run 01.17.08 # plus the UI in the version we have is awful, hopefully the newer versions are better 01.18.10 # saratoga: Torne and Zagor 01.18.49 # IIUC Torne knows about a security issue, but he says it doesn't apply to our setup because we don't have repositories that aren't publicly visible 01.18.50 # at very least we should cahnge it to only show committs to rockbox 01.18.58 # and not the sandbox 01.19.01 # Well 01.19.11 # Not showing the sandbox, sure 01.19.40 # But I do want www, themes and translate there 01.19.50 # thats reasonable 01.20.24 # the current build of gerrit is still pretty annoying though, like how theres no easy way to just see the whole file (at least that I can find) when looking at a patch 01.20.34 # kind of hard to review a change if you can only see 5 lines above and below it 01.30.00 # Do I need to add the new targets somewhere and mark them as unusable ? I seem to recall with a file for this 01.30.39 # gevaerts: can you review g#659 01.30.42 # please ? 01.31.05 # and maybe g#660 if you have a built-in html parser 01.31.32 # tools/builds.pm? 01.32.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.33.11 # so yes maybe status must be 2 or 3 to get them showing up in the build table 01.33.57 # FWIW, its traditional that we mark a target as "unstable" or higher before adding it to the build table 01.34.09 # alright, compiled and zipped, now to put it on the ipod 01.34.13 # so that means at very least a wiki page and a binary of the bootloader available somewhere 01.35.08 # pamaury: can you fix one of the wiki links when you update the front page? 01.35.24 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus#New_Platforms_Currently_Under_De should be changed to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus#New_Platforms_Currently_Under_Development 01.35.26 # Yes, which one ? 01.35.30 # ok 01.35.32 # i think the wiki software update broke that 01.36.23 # pamaury: don't forget the Sony players http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus :) 01.36.49 # Don't worry, just give time to this poor internet connection I have here 01.37.01 # saratoga: g#661 looks ok ? 01.37.40 # yeah looks good 01.39.32 # saratoga: are you editing TargetStatus ? 01.39.38 # yeah 01.39.41 # give me 30 seconds 01.40.07 Quit chrisjj (Quit: Page closed) 01.40.46 # done 01.40.58 # i changed some of the text because we do technically support unstable devices 01.43.15 # I added the Sony NWZ to TargetStatus 01.43.22 # I'll add a few targets to tools/builds.pm too 01.44.27 Quit wowaname (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.46.43 # FWIW, I'd be ok with doing a 3.14 sometime around christmas, since i'll actually have some free time then 01.46.52 # sounds good 01.47.12 # in the mean time I think I can add support for the ZEN X-Fi2 and NWZ-E360/E370 01.49.37 # great 01.49.53 # does anyone remember if thers a simple way to get the frequency response of an IIR filter from the poles and zeros? 01.49.58 # been too long since i did this 01.51.40 # unfortunately not, I once knew how to compute the frequency response of a filter, but never did any signal processing course so I don't know what a IIR filter is ^^ 01.52.18 # a filter with poles :) 01.52.22 # saratoga: can you have a look at g#660 ? It's being late, I might make mistakes 01.52.30 # yeah i think theres some simple algorithm but its been like 10 years 01.52.55 # looks good 01.54.50 # why do you want to do that btw ? 01.55.12 # well it boots into rockboox, good sign eh? 01.55.24 # gonna go see if it works with the car now 01.56.04 # was thinking it would be neat to show what the EQ looks like in rockbox 01.56.57 # http://cnx.org/content/m10548/latest/ 01.57.00 # here we go 01.57.45 # ugh how have i forgotten so much about complex analysis 01.58.54 # as expected, did not work 01.59.40 # i guess i will just have to use a 3.5 line from the hadphone jack to the line-in on the car 02.00.36 # yeah ok since we know the poles and zeros in the EQ code, we could probably just step through 128 frequencies, and compute the gain at each one using the algorithm in that link 02.00.37 # would have been nice to have track control from the steering wheel but i guess thats the price of a firmware that respects muh freedums 02.00.56 # although this would involve me actually learning how to write a plugin which I've successfully avoided doing for about 8 years now 02.01.14 # or i guess even how to do GUI stuff in the core 02.01.37 Quit pixelma (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 02.01.37 Quit amiconn (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 02.02.53 # I guess the most simple thing to do first would be a simple plugin that read in the EQ settings and then plotted the frequency response 02.02.54 # gevaerts: i can try grabbing the latest devbuild if you (probably rightly) dont trust my dev environment, see if that gets the ipod hookup in my car working 02.02.58 # bringing that into the core might be a bit harder 02.03.18 # if you managed to compile it, you most likely have something no different than the latest dev build 02.03.31 # dev builds are actually just compiled on users machines via our build system 02.04.24 # dang 02.04.51 # so i guess unless one of you happens into some money and buys an identical car to mine, it wont get support :( 02.05.21 # if i knew how to get the info you need to try and make it work id do it, fwiw 02.06.00 # i guess probably by putting a lot of debug statements in the code and figuring out where the two devices stop talking 02.06.04 # never looked at IAP tho 02.06.18 # * [Saint] enjoys how other people always have to do things 02.06.24 # they talk enough to charge at least 02.06.48 Quit kugel_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 02.06.51 # <[Saint]> Well, that's not related to IAP at all so its not surprising. 02.07.27 Join amiconn [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.07.28 Join pixelma [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 02.07.50 # [Saint]: I always have something to do! It's just a matter of choosing which one! 02.08.31 # [Saint]: so who should i talk to about this? or is it just another "needs of the many" situation? 02.09.17 # <[Saint]> Basically, yourself. 02.09.26 # <[Saint]> You are in the ideal position to do something about this. 02.09.48 # <[Saint]> You have the hardware, you want it done. 02.11.43 # but im an idiot, i wouldnt know where to start other than attempt to learn c 02.11.59 # <[Saint]> Well, that's a pretty good start. ;) 02.11.59 # and i guess google around and see if theres some kind of debugging unit to buy 02.13.05 # or i guess the quick fix of just buy a 3.5mm cable :/ 02.13.55 # arf, people always have crazy bugs like "WPS crashes when I press select" and it works flawlessly for me 02.14.57 # <[Saint]> pamaury: unless its cabbie, I usually ignore such claims. 02.15.11 # <[Saint]> themes seem to be able to introduce a lot of variables they shouldn't be able to. 02.17.04 # yeah, themes seem to be quite a culprit but it's hard to solve them without any knowledge of the theme engine 02.17.26 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131107161719]) 02.18.11 # who can update the front page ? I guess there is Zagor ? 02.21.51 # so lets take this from another angle, is there any line out dock cables that are known to work with rockbox? 02.23.10 # yeah, email badger or zagor and ask them to update the front page 02.23.20 # any line out cable should work, they're just passive devices 02.23.52 # and rockbox feeds teh audio to the right pins for it to work? 02.24.01 # yeah i believe so 02.24.03 # which ipod? 02.24.12 # ipod video, so 5.5g 02.24.20 # do we have code anywhere in rockbox for plotting something? i think generating a frequency response would be easy, but I'm not sure how to draw that in rockbox without it looking awful 02.24.28 # oh yeah that should work, that port is ancient 02.25.09 # FWIW line out == headphone out at 0dB in rockbox 02.25.34 # maybe have a look at the plugins, I'm pretty sure with have a plugin plotting something, but it's probably done by hand 02.27.10 # looking through the manual nothing jumps out at me as having plots 02.27.23 # i guess it wouldn't be too hard, although it might be a bit ugly 02.30.03 # saratoga: fft plugin ? 02.30.13 # not exactly plotting 02.31.33 # yeah actually that might work 02.31.45 # not the style i was thinking of but probably just as good 02.32.04 # oscilloscope ? 02.34.58 # saratoga: i hear the headphone amplifier circuit on my ipod is ass though, and the line out cable bypasses it 02.35.54 # thats nonsense 02.36.01 # <[Saint]> pure nonsense. 02.43.41 # <[Saint]> I mean, its no iPod Classic - that's certain. But the output on some of these iPod deices is phenomenal. 02.56.29 # well i guess i can alway just buy one of each and a/b test it 02.57.22 # its like 3bux for a cable, im not too worried 02.57.56 # i know im too dumb and not enough time in the world to learn c, so this is my option i guess unless someone wants to debug it without physically having it 02.58.02 # only difference is that the headphone plug uses a more powerful buffer amp 02.58.13 # otherwise they're identical before that final stage 02.58.19 # lonoxmont: if you say your dump to yourself, you will never get smart... 02.58.33 # lonoxmont: especially if you refuse to change a thing ;) 02.58.41 # know your limits and work within them 02.58.44 # do one thing and do it well 02.59.16 # exactly... thats not smart :S 02.59.20 # im smart enough to do my tech support job, and for what i dont know how to do i know enough people to connect them together to get whatever it is done 03.00.33 # learning c is a lot of work for an 8 year old mp3 player unless you want to know anyway 03.01.27 # not just learning c, i also would have to grok the entire project as a whole to make sure whatever changes i ended up making didnt brick everything else 03.02.15 # since learning c as a first programming language is like being handed an 18-wheeler with no brakes and full throttle only and told to take grandma to the store 03.02.30 # i learned c first 03.02.33 # most engineers do 03.04.27 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision bb8dd05, 243 builds, 36 clients. 03.04.52 Quit Scromple (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.09.15 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 291 seconds. 03.09.45 Join Scromple [0] (~Simon@161.43.73.67) 03.14.49 Join Jinx [0] (~Jinx@unaffiliated/jinx) 03.21.23 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 03.32.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.44.13 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 03.48.09 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 04.04.08 # * [Saint] really needs to go through and fix up the manual 04.04.14 # <[Saint]> It really is in a sorry state. 04.05.04 # <[Saint]> Can people please start PMing me or addressing me in the logs here with manual errors they find? 04.09.42 # * [Saint] wonders how the Playlist Catalogue even got committed. 04.09.52 # <[Saint]> ...seriously. 04.15.55 # <[Saint]> Ok. I realize its supposed to be this way anyway, but, can we take a harsh stance on "Documentation or GTFO" from now on? 04.20.40 # * JdGordon knows the answer to that question!!! 04.20.41 # :D 04.27.17 Quit saratoga (Quit: Page closed) 04.29.21 Quit rdn (Remote host closed the connection) 04.34.04 Join krabador [0] (~krabador_@unaffiliated/krabador) 04.47.04 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.47.04 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.47.04 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.47.04 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.47.06 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.47.07 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.06.03 Quit krabador (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05.08.31 Nick DormantBrain is now known as SuperBrainAk (~andy@2001:470:8:a61::5f92:59a1) 05.20.41 Join krabador [0] (~krabador_@unaffiliated/krabador) 05.24.18 Quit krabador (Client Quit) 05.25.58 Join JJ_ [0] (32a06b65@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.160.107.101) 05.26.01 # hello all 05.27.14 # so.... none of the buttons work on my ipod.... is there a way to setup rockbox to automatically start playing... 05.27.49 # since I have no way to browse or select anything I would need it to start playing soon as it boots up 05.28.55 # <[Saint]> This functionality doesn't exist, no. 05.29.28 # there's no config file I can edit to just start playing immediately when booted 05.29.29 # :/ 05.29.40 # <[Saint]> No. 05.29.41 # darn... 05.29.53 # was hoping there was something so I don't have to trash this thing :( 05.30.11 # well almost 05.30.18 # which ipod? 05.30.20 # well thank you for your help and time 05.30.23 # ipod video 30gb 05.30.37 # 5th gen 05.30.39 # oldie but goodie 05.31.03 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 05.31.05 # hm... i think some car stereos let you manage the ipod from the deck 05.31.13 # it works fine that way 05.31.14 # not so much with rockbox though 05.31.17 Join [7] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.31.20 # my brother has a deck that you can control it from 05.31.57 # if you set the start screen to "resume playback" then all you need is to make the playlist (or start it) from a remote and oyu're good 05.32.16 # yeah maybe I can get a remote 05.32.17 # of some sore 05.32.18 # sort 05.32.26 # <[Saint]> if he had a remote he wouldn;t have any issues. :) 05.32.32 # exactly 05.32.32 # ! 05.32.33 # :) 05.32.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.32.39 # I just need to get a remote then hehe 05.33.17 # <[Saint]> It'd cost about the same to get a new iPod. 05.33.29 # nah some remotes are only like $10 05.33.40 # don't need anything fancy 05.33.51 # no need to take it on an expensive date 05.42.30 # it got quiet! 05.44.36 # <[Saint]> Nah...we're just talking about you in another channel. 05.44.46 # figures 05.44.53 # might as well 05.45.27 # I know this sounds dumb but if I want to reinstall itunes I just need to uninstall rockbox and then click "remove the bootloader" 05.45.32 # then itunes will find ipod again? 05.45.58 # trying to test something 05.46.15 # <[Saint]> iTunes can still use the device as it is. 05.46.21 # <[Saint]> There's no need to remve ROckbox. 05.46.32 # oh Itunes doesn't even show it exists 05.46.44 # <[Saint]> Are you booting the original firmware? 05.47.04 # <[Saint]> Oh - hahaha, guess you can't. 05.47.13 # hm... 05.47.40 # <[Saint]> Yeah, you're pretty screwed without any form of user control. 05.47.44 # dunno I just clicked to install booloader and rockbox 05.47.52 # how to reinstall itunes now? 05.47.59 # <[Saint]> I don't even think a remote would register early enough to be able to dual-boot, though its possible. 05.48.09 # hmm 05.48.41 # <[Saint]> "iTunes" wasn't ever removed. All you need to do is remove the bootloader and then reboot. 05.48.50 # <[Saint]> but, for you, even rebooting is a serious issue. 05.48.51 # i'll try that 05.49.12 # feel like i'm a rocket scientist here wow 05.49.30 # except i'm not the good kind 05.50.35 # rockbox utility doesn't have a reboot command... 05.50.39 # lol gotta remove the battery 05.51.04 # <[Saint]> "[17:48:50] <[Saint]> but, for you, even rebooting is a serious issue." 05.51.05 # <[Saint]> :) 05.51.41 # yes thank you for pointing that out :) 05.54.47 # not my day...... ok good news and bad news... pulled too hard and ripped out the connector the battery plugs into... 05.55.19 # <[Saint]> Time for that new iPod... 05.55.26 # good news got it back in place barely! 05.55.27 # haha 05.56.04 # <[Saint]> I know its unlikely, but if you have a heat gun or a reflow station you'd really want to make sure there's a proper connection there. 05.56.26 # * [Saint] has both of the above, but is almost certainly ina different locale. 05.56.29 # ya... 05.56.40 # too much work 05.56.53 # I have a few other ideas 05.56.57 # but a remote is one 05.57.10 # also I think there's a program you can control the ipod from your pc 05.57.12 # working on that now 05.57.26 # then maybe I can start it playing something... and hopefully it will continue.... 05.58.20 # <[Saint]> No...I don't think so. 05.58.43 # <[Saint]> I know you can control media plaback on the PC using Rockbox, but, that requires working buttons. 05.59.00 # true... 05.59.35 # <[Saint]> The later model net connected ies have remote applications. 05.59.41 # <[Saint]> But this isn't one of them. 05.59.41 # yeah 05.59.46 # and nope it isn't 06.05.49 # trying to see what remotes actually control all the buttons... or work for all the buttons 06.06.10 # see one that works for all but the menu button... but I might need that one.... 06.06.21 # tell me if im' too off topic 06.06.25 # I will leave you guys alone :) 06.09.36 # sweet my portable dvd player can control it :) 06.15.57 # anyways thanks for all your help guys Mainly Saint and JdGordon 06.18.08 Quit JJ_ (Quit: Page closed) 06.29.55 Join mortalis [0] (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 06.32.33 Join foolsh [0] (~foolsh@c-24-14-134-34.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 07.21.44 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 07.29.45 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:27:773:0:feed:c0f:fee) 07.32.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.54.34 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@80.67.6.50) 08.10.54 Join Guest17648 [0] (~husvagn@90-230-140-28-no41.tbcn.telia.com) 08.21.11 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.43.50 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.55.03 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 08.55.04 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 08.55.04 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 08.55.04 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 08.55.06 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 08.55.06 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 08.55.48 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 09.05.57 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 09.16.05 Quit Raptors (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 09.32.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.54.22 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 10.29.01 # Zagor: Will you be able to upload bootloaders anytime soon? 10.30.39 # argh, yes. sorry again. :-( where are they? 10.31.01 # https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1nI4rgGNPbtQjFKeGxkUVQyR0U/edit?usp=sharing 10.32.58 # hey mortalis. Are the HiFi E.T pics actually SVG pics? And if yes, would you have time to help pamaury for some Creative players SVG pics? 10.34.50 # mortalis: done 10.35.03 # sorry for the delays 10.35.14 # lebellium: no, it's just png pics I made from photos. Sorry, I couldn't help you with that. 10.35.23 # Zagor: Thank you 10.38.33 # Do we have a flac codec expert? 10.39.21 # Ah so it's only a temporary workaround :( For the build table and the user manual you'll actually need SVG pics 10.54.25 # Zagor: could you update the front page? 10.56.05 # thanks :) 10.56.06 # lebellium: done 10.57.31 # now we see the huge pamaury work :) 11.11.00 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 11.16.14 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:27:773:0:feed:c0f:fee) 11.17.52 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@91-66-52-103-dynip.superkabel.de) 11.17.52 Quit kugel (Changing host) 11.17.52 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 11.20.06 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.32.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.33.32 Nick SuperBrainAk is now known as DormantBrain (~andy@2001:470:8:a61::5f92:59a1) 11.42.45 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 11.46.15 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 11.58.11 Quit akaWolf1 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12.05.39 Join akaWolf [0] (~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf) 12.37.48 Join Raptors [0] (~whoneedsa@198-200-68-213.cpe.distributel.net) 12.52.17 # * copper loves the .cfg loading feature 12.52.42 # very handy to quickly load different setups for different headphones or uses 13.10.19 Join krabador [0] (~krabador_@unaffiliated/krabador) 13.30.28 Quit akaWolf (Read error: Operation timed out) 13.32.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.34.39 Join akaWolf [0] (~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf) 13.35.53 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@ip70-178-52-92.ks.ks.cox.net) 13.35.54 Quit cmhobbs (Changing host) 13.35.54 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 13.37.03 Quit krabador (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13.50.30 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13.54.41 Join Narod [0] (~Narod@p5DDDB4B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.10.29 Quit dfkt_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.11.03 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 14.21.47 Quit habys (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 14.23.40 Join habys [0] (~luke@arikui.org) 14.29.33 Join rdn [0] (~oop@cpe-69-204-124-212.buffalo.res.rr.com) 14.38.37 # Well, fuck. 14.38.51 # I managed to screw up my microsdxc card somehow. 14.39.39 # I can write to it with cp or dd, I can delete files, I can repartition it, all without errors, at normal writing speeds (15 MB/s). But the changes are never actually registered. 14.40.00 # When I remount the card, it's like I didn't do anything. All the original files are still there. 14.40.25 # nothing works, it's like it's read-only, except it's not, and all writing programs complete successfully. 14.40.42 # Does anyone have any idea what the problem is? 14.41.16 # I tried using the card via the Fuze+, via the sdhc adapter, with two different card readers, same thing 14.41.38 # can't actually write or delete anything 14.49.25 # * [Saint] giggles with glee at his combination of incredibly minimal config and solid state modified iPod Video 14.50.39 # <[Saint]> Using mp3 320, even though its not the mst efficient codec, with the config I'm using I squeeze out ever single bit of RAM I can and and up with a ~59MB playback uffer. 14.51.01 # <[Saint]> WHen it does eventually touch the disk to rebuffer it takes like a second. 14.52.34 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@ip70-178-52-92.ks.ks.cox.net) 14.52.34 Quit cmhobbs (Changing host) 14.52.34 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 14.52.36 # <[Saint]> Huge bonus being enough space leftover to cram in a massive cordless phone battery. :) 15.05.11 # btw. I figured my problem this playlist viewer viewport out - I misread the explanation a bit about not having anything else in the viewport. I thought the %Vp things fill the viewport *below* the first appearance of %Vp, somehow missing that it would take the whole viewport even if I put something above that. So the tag info of the currently playing track that I also had in there was drawn above the first %Vp lines. Long story short: putting 15.05.12 # everything into its own viewport helped 15.06.14 # "drawn above" = drawn on top, "covering" the rest 15.07.15 # <[Saint]> ah. 15.08.14 # <[Saint]> I haven't used the playlist viewer much, I probably wouldn't have caught that myself. 15.12.01 # my neither, I only had this idea with showing song title for skipping forward and back and the list appearance a bit similar to my foobar2000 setup - for my phone WPS (which really hasn't happened yet, just a bit of playing around) 15.32.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.33.36 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 15.34.36 Quit amayer (Client Quit) 15.34.49 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 15.46.37 Part LinusN 16.02.40 Quit prymeroot (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 16.07.21 Join lebellium_ [0] (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 16.08.56 Quit lebellium (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 16.09.01 Nick lebellium_ is now known as lebellium (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 16.12.21 Quit mortalis (Read error: Operation timed out) 16.14.37 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! 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Replace the line "EXTRADEPS :=" by "EXTRADEPS := -lz" 20.37.17 # -lz: No such file or directory make: *** [mkzenboot] Error 1 20.39.30 # Hi, I have a Samsung YP-R0 player and I want to try to symlink microSD to internal memory 20.39.41 # I'd be grateful if anyone put me on the right track 20.40.48 # xfiuser: ok I need 5 more min to look at this, doing this without trying won't work ^^ 20.41.54 # cool. 20.57.02 # xfiuser: ok, let's try a very ugly fix at first, revert the change I suggested, and edit rbutil/libtools.make, at line 111 replace "$(addprefix $(OBJDIR),$(EXTRALIBOBJS))" by "$(addprefix $(OBJDIR),$(EXTRALIBOBJS)) -z" 20.57.24 # be sure to *not* replace the tabulations by spaces or you will break the makefile 21.02.57 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 21.03.53 Join Wardo [0] (~Mirandaha@176-120-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr) 21.05.27 # maysara: why do you want to do that ? I don't think this is possible if the file system of the microsd is FAT 21.06.01 # pamaury: no joy. 21.06.01 # Compiler creates posix binaries LD mkzenboot cc: error: missing argument to ‘-z’ make: *** [mkzenboot] Error 1 21.06.18 # sorry it's -lz and not -z, crazy typo 21.06.27 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 21.06.28 Join |akaWolf| [0] (~akaWolf@188.134.9.161) 21.06.52 # seems to have built 21.06.54 # thanks. 21.07.13 # ok so that's a build a order problem as I expected, thanks for the report, I need to fix that 21.07.31 # damn compilers, I thought in 2013 this would be problem solved 21.08.02 # stephen@stephen-Aspire-6930G:~/Downloads/.rockbox/rockbox/rbutil/mkzenboot$ ./mkzenboot -i ZENXFI_PCFW_L22_1_04_08.exe -b bootloader-zenxfi.creative -o firmware.nk -t dualboot [INFO] MD5 sum of the file: C3 CD DF 84 68 D8 C8 98 2E 93 AA 99 86 C5 A1 52 [ERR] MD5 sum doesn't match any known file [ERR] Cannot determine model type Result: -4 21.08.25 # using the latest zenxfi download from creative.com 21.08.53 # ah that's the american version I guess 21.09.37 # ill try another version 21.09.50 # try the european version, 1.04.08e 21.09.58 # I'll add this one to the list in the mean time 21.11.08 # xfiuser: even better, can you wait 1 min so I push a change and you retry with this installer ? 21.11.10 # pamaury: The file system for both internal memory and microSD is FAT, Why won't it be possible? I want to make the library include the content of the microSD 21.11.16 # yeah 21.12.02 Quit Scall- (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 21.12.08 # maysara: you don't need that for the database 21.12.16 # both memories are merged 21.12.29 # xfiuser: in rbutil/mkzenboot/mkzenboot.c, insert this at line 175: 21.12.29 # { /* Version 1.04.08 */ MODEL_ZENXFI, "c3cddf8468d8c8982e93aa9986c5a152", "1.04.08"}, 21.12.37 # then recompile mkzenboot 21.13.13 # bluebrother: ping 21.13.18 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 21.14.24 # lebellium: Sorry. I forgot to tell you that I'm using Firmware 1.25 21.14.40 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.14.54 # .... you're on the rockbox chan ;) 21.15.00 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-193-180.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 21.15.02 Quit y4n (Quit: We're fucking 3LN!) 21.15.21 # we don't care about OF v1.25 here :) 21.18.07 # xfiuser: is it working now ? 21.19.29 Quit ikeboy (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 21.19.48 Join Scall- [0] (~chat@host10-17-static.5-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 21.19.54 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 21.19.54 Nick Scall- is now known as Scall (~chat@host10-17-static.5-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 21.20.24 Nick Scall is now known as Guest28521 (~chat@host10-17-static.5-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 21.25.29 Quit Guest28521 (Quit: Bye bye) 21.27.48 Join Scall- [0] (~chat@host10-17-static.5-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 21.33.00 # yeah pamaury works now. will test later on and give feedback tomorrow but i have the firmware.nk now. thanks for all your help. 21.33.01 # gtg 21.33.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.33.07 Quit xfiuser (Quit: Page closed) 21.37.28 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 5e43c05, 243 builds, 39 clients. 21.44.04 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 396 seconds. 21.48.32 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@2602:306:250e:cae9:d9e:cdd:ed88:1b33) 21.57.17 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 21.57.22 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 21.58.41 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 21.59.38 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22.00.14 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g224236179.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.02.45 # rasher: can something be done to fix the sim builds for Fuze+/Gigabeat/Onda? I secretly hope that would automatically add the YP-R0 to the table. 22.10.14 Quit Scall- (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22.14.48 Join Scall- [0] (~chat@host10-17-static.5-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 22.21.47 Quit Guest17648 (Quit: Hmmm...) 22.25.46 Quit |akaWolf| (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 22.26.41 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 22.44.48 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@87-207-223-0.dynamic.chello.pl) 22.45.25 # pamaury: I confirmed on device that your atj scrambling/descrambling routine is correct. 22.46.42 # cool :) 22.51.33 Quit Narod () 23.01.26 # \o/ dumped 64k of rom and it actually makes sense :-) 23.03.15 # good, is it useful or you already had it in the ATJ material ? 23.04.29 # General boot scheme is described in atj materials but I much prefer to confirm this in disasm. 23.08.16 # This may sound stupid, but whats a good modern day mp3 player that doesnt have a fcking touchscreen? 23.08.47 # SrRaven: touchscreen or touchpad ? 23.09.10 # work with gloves (Winter is coming!) 23.09.28 # wodz: do we know everything now on atj ? all the formats ? 23.10.38 # pamaury: I don't understand the question 23.10.59 # do we know everything abut boot scheme and formats of the firmware ? 23.11.07 # pamaury: no 23.12.06 # pamaury: I don't know what happens in flash loader and if we are able to inject code there 23.12.43 # SrRaven: clip zip, sony nwz-e360 23.13.03 # I assume you mean rockboxed 23.15.14 # if you allow second hand players, there are many more 23.24.16 # my clip zip is fcked 23.24.22 # it wont ever charge to 100% 23.24.31 # always at like..25% max 23.31.26 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 23.31.41 Quit lebellium (Remote host closed the connection) 23.33.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.33.52 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 23.36.31 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.39.47 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 23.47.51 Quit pamaury (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 23.48.37 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 23.51.25 Join kugel_ [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.51.43 Quit kugel (Write error: Broken pipe) 23.58.02 Quit pamaury (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 23.58.47 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury)