--- Log for 07.12.113 Server: holmes.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 14 hours and 29 minutes ago 00.00.45 # pamaury: Sorry, disappeared for a while. Yes. 8GB fullsound. Sounds great. Cheap. 00.01.22 # Cheap here. Clips are expensive here. and I'm tired of having them die on me. 00.06.57 # installing... 00.07.13 # they could at least have a standard installer with cab inside, I really have to install this thing 00.13.01 # kiwicam: hum, wonder why the SA4VBE installer contains a firmware in a vibe5/ subdirectory... 00.13.35 # that's interesting, maybe the Gogear Vibe is not based on i.MX233 00.15.29 # kiwicam: does your device has a volume+ button ? 00.16.51 # Yes. It's basically the up & down keys on the front. They have a double function. They act as up & down when moving in the menu and volume when you're playing an mp3 00.17.46 # kiwicam: can you follow this procedure: 1) power off the device (maybe even push the reset button) 2) hold volume+ 3) while holding v+, plug USB and keep holding for a few seconds 00.17.49 # Off is a long press on the centre key which also acts as pause/play and select within menus 00.18.16 # I think the screen should stay black and the device appear with a different USB VID:PID which you can see using dmesg or lsusb 00.18.24 # OK... 00.19.22 # Ah ha. Says "Firmware Upgrading ... Don't Disconnect" 00.20.09 # hum, that's not exactly what I expected ^^ what is the USB ID ? 00.20.13 Quit Narod () 00.22.13 # for lsusb, it has to be this one: Bus 002 Device 003: ID 10d6:10d6 Actions Semiconductor Co., Ltd 00.22.14 # gaeverts: Care to say why you just deleted the Manual column I added at http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus ? 00.22.23 # Can't see it on dmesg. 00.22.36 # chrisjj: because the E200R manual is the same as the E200 00.22.46 # So?? 00.22.51 # just open the E200 manual, it's written in the title 00.22.57 # so it has a manual 00.23.06 # So?? Thats need only one line correcting. Not the column deleting. 00.23.18 # your column was useless and confusing 00.23.36 # I can't imaging how it confused you. 00.23.54 # As for useless, see: "Whilst every effort is made to try and ensure a manual is available for every supported target, these are not always available immediately when a port reaches "supported" status" 00.24.26 # kiwicam: ok...so now this is very confusing, it would mean the Vibe uses an ATJ core, the same kind that wodz is working on maybe... Wait a second 00.25.18 # chrisjj: all supported targets have a manual, so there is no need to say which don't, since there is none. Discussion closed 00.25.30 # Then why no say so on the page? 00.27.21 Join saratoga [0] (123e11e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.62.17.224) 00.28.15 # it's probably a leftover, don't go in edit spree without asking, especially in major pages like these 00.29.42 # kiwicam: so the firmware in the sa4vbe08kf_97 archive uses a known format (I wrote a descrambler for it), but it doesn't descramble to what I expected, it uses a new format (yeah they scramble it several times). So my guess is that this is a new(er) ATJ core which I don't know and which we don't support at the moment. 00.30.10 # kiwicam: what would be awesome if you can is to disassemble the device and take some hi-res pictures 00.30.44 # wodz (logs): I have a very interesting firmware here, may be related to your ATJ work 00.31.34 # kiwicam: I'm confused though, because the Vibe 4GB seems to use a completely different chip (at least that's what Songbird's files say) 00.31.51 # maybe there even are Vibe 8GB in two variants 00.33.18 # I'd be more than happy to do that. I'll come back to you. If I can't do that, I'll buy you one and send it to you. That can be my further contribution to RB. 00.34.45 # I think there are two variants. Maybe more. 00.35.09 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.35.39 # ok great, only the disassemble can solve the issue here 00.38.00 # "edit spree", Come on... ! 00.38.53 # It is a wiki. "Everyone is invited to join and help". If you don't like that, then petition for a change to the rules. 00.41.00 # If I don't like that I can ban you plain and simple. Because you can edit doesn't mean you can do that without seeking approval before 00.45.17 Join solrize [0] (solrize@unaffiliated/solrize) 00.45.30 # There's no requirement so "seek approval before" editing the wiki. See http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WebHome . 00.45.48 # pamaury: Excellent. It's going to be easy to disassemble than I thought. I already have the front off, but now I need some jewellery screwdrivers from work. Probably tomorrow I can have something for you. 24 hours. 00.46.19 # everything doesn't have to be explicity written. When you join a project you don't know and you don't know people who are working on it, you should start discussing with them before doing what you think is right without approval 00.46.53 # we should have a rule that says the rules are whatever IRC says they are :) 00.47.39 # chrisjj: if you're not directly working on something, its often not a good idea to try and document it 00.49.33 # saratoga: Wouldn't it be nice if the people directly working on something had the time for documentation too? 00.51.44 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131202182626]) 00.52.12 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.57.11 # wodz: I have a firmware here which is scrambled using the same ATJ "3DFW" format 00.57.27 # but what is inside is funny: it's an QSLite3 database containing all the files ! 00.57.48 Quit solrize (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.02.25 Quit chrisjj (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 01.08.11 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 01.09.25 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@66.233.224.206) 01.11.13 # damn banning spammers is slow today 01.14.56 Quit ender` (Quit: I always wanted to have a job in construction or at a hardware store just so I could eat some pink cotton candy in front of someone in a situation that would make them think I was eating fiberglass insulation. -- Chris Hallbeck) 01.31.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.44.46 Join solrize [0] (solrize@unaffiliated/solrize) 01.45.37 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01.46.06 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@66.233.224.206) 01.49.23 Join treaki_ [0] (0870d89386@p4FDF751E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.51.48 Quit treaki (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01.53.44 # wodz (logs): I managed to extract the file from the descrambled database, it is very interesting. There is an ADFUS.bin file, many *.drv files and *.bin files 01.53.56 # I'm impatient to know which ATJ is this 01.54.29 # by the way, using Qt to open a SQLite3 file is very handy 01.58.57 Quit uwe_mobile (Remote host closed the connection) 01.59.48 Quit solrize (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.38.11 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.41.39 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@66.233.224.206) 02.47.03 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.50.56 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@66.233.224.206) 03.30.14 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 03.31.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.39.06 Nick DormantBrain is now known as SuperBrainAK (~andy@74.112.200.73) 03.44.45 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 03.45.10 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@66.233.224.206) 04.13.58 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 04.16.55 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@66.233.224.206) 04.20.25 Join solrize [0] (solrize@unaffiliated/solrize) 04.33.43 # I'm back! 04.35.38 # pamaury: seems to have gone to bed. I couldn't open up the inards fully as there were two ribbons with no way to disconnect them without some damage. 04.37.45 # It took me ages to get an in focus image, but I think I've done enough: http://i.imgur.com/Yio5GLW.jpg http://i.imgur.com/VTapWZV.jpg 04.40.10 # ATJ2127? 04.43.24 Join pedro_angelo [0] (~pedro_ang@187-15-184-163.user.veloxzone.com.br) 04.44.12 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.44.12 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.44.12 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.44.12 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.44.12 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.44.14 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.45.10 # <[Saint]> What the fuck? 04.45.12 # <[Saint]> " Note: Whereas normally the term "tag" means the metadata container of an audio file, in this topic, the term "tag" refers to one field thereof. " 04.45.31 # <[Saint]> ChrisJJ is really going on a spree painting the wiki with bullshit. 04.45.36 Quit JdGord|w (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 04.47.42 # <[Saint]> "Rockbox comes with an extensive manual, which can be found *new on the downloads page." 04.48.09 # <[Saint]> ...that one doesn't even make any sense. 04.48.31 # <[Saint]> He edited a perfectly valid sentence, which was correct, and replaced it with...well, that. 04.48.33 # <[Saint]> Gah. 04.49.34 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 04.52.44 # i guess maybe his english isn't so good 04.52.55 # <[Saint]> It seems fine to me. 04.53.39 # <[Saint]> This might be slightly controversial, but, maybe we could try and ascertain whether or not people know what they're talking about before letting them walk all over the wiki. 04.54.07 # <[Saint]> Having to go back and clean up and/or argue with enthusiastic people that think they're helping isn;t all too fun. 04.55.06 # i guess just ask him not to edit the wiki, and maybe concentrate on editing things that can be reviewed on gerrit like the manual 04.55.30 # <[Saint]> How much scrollback do you have? I think pamaury tried that earlier. 04.55.45 # probably better for new people to have some review anyway 04.56.01 # yeah i saw that, i guess just make it more clear and if that fails disable his account 04.57.01 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@66.233.224.206) 04.57.25 # <[Saint]> That would be unfortunate, but I'm not sure what else to do. I hope it wouldn;t come to that. Fingers crossed. 04.59.32 Quit Epicanis (Quit: bedtime) 05.04.37 Quit solrize (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05.22.11 Quit nosa-j (Excess Flood) 05.22.47 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@66.233.224.206) 05.23.43 Join solrize [0] (solrize@unaffiliated/solrize) 05.31.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.36.24 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 05.47.49 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@66.233.224.206) 05.49.52 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 05.50.06 Join [7] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.50.42 Join chrisjj [0] (561bb732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.27.183.50) 05.53.25 Quit solrize (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05.53.26 # sanit: "Rockbox comes with an extensive manual, which can be found *new on the downloads page." What's your problem what that, Saint? 05.53.52 # saint: "Note: Whereas normally the term "tag" means the metadata container of an audio file, in this topic, the term "tag" refers to one field thereof." Do you have difficulty understanding that, Saint? 05.54.11 Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 05.54.47 # <[Saint]> Both of tham are untrue, primarily. 05.55.00 # <[Saint]> Please try to restrict your writings to things you know about. 05.55.35 Quit Cultist (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05.55.44 Join Cultist [0] (~CultOfThe@2601:d:9280:fc:8634:97ff:fe17:5dc3) 05.56.30 # You're incorrect. Both are true. Perhaps you're not familiar with standard meaning of the word "tag" in audio. 05.56.40 # <[Saint]> The first example implies that Rockbox Utility is the only place to get the manual, this is wrong. 05.56.51 # It does not imply that. 05.57.04 # <[Saint]> The second...well, I have NEVER, not once, heard "tag" refer to the *entire* body of metadata...ever. 05.57.13 # neither have i 05.57.14 # <[Saint]> And, yes, it does. It was fine beforehand. 05.57.40 # Saint, try reading a audio metadata standards document, as have I. 05.58.52 # <[Saint]> Lets try and not be an asshold, and try to take some simple direction, shall we? 05.58.56 # <[Saint]> I'm trying to help. 05.59.04 # <[Saint]> *hole 05.59.34 # Try here: http://id3.org/id3v2.4.0-structure " A tag is the whole tag described in this document. A frame is a block of information in the tag. The tag consists of a header, frames and optional padding. A field is a piece of information; one value, a string etc." 06.00.27 # You're failing to help. If you really have never heard tag used in its standard meaning, well.... 06.00.35 # i think that may be specific to that document 06.00.47 # Incorrect. 06.00.51 # regardless, frivolous edits like that are not helpful 06.00.59 # <[Saint]> Indeed. 06.01.28 # <[Saint]> I certainly want the RbUtil one changed, as that's just plain wrong. 06.01.40 # <[Saint]> I just didn;t want to go overtop of you and do it myself, but, I can. 06.02.15 # if this is unclear to you, perhaps it would be best if you limited yourself to editting things like the manual that can be reviewed on Gerrit 06.02.30 # this way people can more easily revise and provide feedback while you get up to speed with our project 06.02.32 # It is not a frivolous edit. It is helpful to readers who are not familiar with the misuse of the term. And it is educational to writers hereabouts who misuse the term. 06.02.50 # It is not unclear to me. 06.03.14 # <[Saint]> But when you're the only one using it that way, *you* become the "wrong" one. 06.03.39 # <[Saint]> You can't break conventions for no reason that have stood for over a decade. 06.04.12 # Saratoga, perhaps you weren't around decades ago, when audio tags came into being. I was, and I designed audio digital equipment selling thousands. The tag of an audio file is like the tag on a suitcase. Each line within is a separate field. That's the way it is, ans has always been. 06.04.54 # If you think your usage is a convention, then please provide some authoritative evidence. Rockbox documentation needs not apply. 06.05.40 # chrisjj: i don't know why you're arguing this, but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_(metadata) 06.06.01 # "But when you're the only one using it that way, *you* become the "wrong" one." Please read the ID3 tags spec. This is the most read and most influential audio metadata spec in the consumer audio world. 06.07.00 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_(metadata) . No reference to audio there. 06.07.53 Quit krabador (Quit: Sto andando via) 06.07.54 # "I certainly want the RbUtil one changed, as that's just plain wrong." What is wrong about ""Rockbox comes with an extensive manual, which can be found in the Rockbox Utility available on the downloads page." ?? 06.08.29 # <[Saint]> What about the way it was, which was absolutely fine? 06.08.45 # <[Saint]> There was absolutely no need for that. 06.09.41 # Do make your mind up. A moment ago you were claiming the edited statement was untrue. 06.10.04 # <[Saint]> =The way it was *originally*. 06.10.08 # <[Saint]> Before you got to it. 06.10.43 # You claimed my "Rockbox comes with an extensive manual, which can be found in the Rockbox Utility available on the downloads page." is untrue. Please say how it is untrue. 06.11.09 # <[Saint]> The implication made there is that that is the only place it is found. 06.12.50 # Untrue. But if you think it should say where esle the manual can be found, why not add it instead of complaining? 06.22.50 Join saratoga_ [0] (123e0cec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.62.12.236) 06.23.15 Join solrize [0] (solrize@unaffiliated/solrize) 06.38.50 # Thank you Hayden: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/bin/compare/Main/ReleaseNotes313?rev1=5;rev2=6 06.39.17 # You reverted my correction of a typo. I restored it. 06.39.29 Quit chrisjj (Quit: Page closed) 06.40.31 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 06.42.53 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@66.233.224.206) 07.05.04 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 07.07.08 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/user/saint) 07.09.49 Join evilwombat [0] (~evilwomba@cpe-75-80-191-10.san.res.rr.com) 07.10.13 Quit solrize (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07.10.37 # Hello. Does anyone know how to make an H300 *not* go into USB storage mode upon USB connection, but to default to charging over USB instead? 07.11.00 # I know it is possible to hold down the record button while connecting USB, but is there a way to make charging mode the default? 07.11.10 # or do I need to rebuild for this? 07.11.38 # you'd have to recompile 07.11.47 # right now it just checks if any button is pressed, and its hard coded 07.12.01 # Ah, I see. Do you know a filename / line number offhand? 07.15.26 # probably this: http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=firmware/usb.c;h=a7b19eb0655836b636c68e6d4fd6d73d656f1c87;hb=HEAD#l132 07.16.57 # Ah, thanks. A well-placed ! ought to do the trick 07.17.06 # now, toolchain tiume 07.17.08 # time* 07.32.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.57.27 Join pretty_function [0] (~sigBART@123.252.213.72) 07.59.10 Quit pretty_function (Client Quit) 07.59.23 Join pretty_function [0] (~sigBART@123.252.213.72) 08.09.01 Join Tukeke [0] (~Tukeke@unaffiliated/hlvsv) 08.28.34 Join solrize [0] (solrize@unaffiliated/solrize) 08.29.34 Quit pretty_function (Remote host closed the connection) 08.38.05 Quit Tukeke (Quit: Tukeke) 08.43.41 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@host26-106-dynamic.248-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 08.44.32 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 08.45.37 Join pretty_function [0] (~sigBART@123.252.213.72) 08.49.14 Join solrize_ [0] (solrize@unaffiliated/solrize) 08.49.34 Quit saratoga_ (Quit: Page closed) 08.51.01 Quit solrize (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08.51.15 Quit lorenzo92 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 09.06.37 Quit solrize_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09.11.59 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 09.21.29 Join solrize [0] (solrize@unaffiliated/solrize) 09.25.06 # saratoga, That did it. Thanks! Now I don't have to build a 2A car adapter for my H300 09.27.35 # saratoga: any plans to update our opus support to 1.1? 09.27.59 # or has it mostly been *encoder* updates since 1.0? 09.32.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.33.23 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 09.37.24 Quit pretty_function (Quit: Leaving...) 09.41.21 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 09.47.10 # bertrik: yeah i want to do it but will probably not have time before christmas 10.01.01 Quit solrize (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10.03.45 Join solrize [0] (solrize@unaffiliated/solrize) 10.05.26 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 10.09.01 Quit solrize (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10.13.50 # <[Saint]> Isn't there...hmmm. 10.14.25 # <[Saint]> Whoops, wrong channel. 10.17.32 # <[Saint]> evilwombat: largely irrelevant, if you've got what you wanted already - but I believe you can also just change the static bool for usb_charging_only to "true" further up in usb.c 10.24.13 # [Saint], Thanks. I still wanted to use both modes - just wanted USB storage to be the non-default. I charge this thing far more often than I put new files on it 10.24.45 # Ideally, there would be a config option for this... maybe I'll add one if I'm bored. The last time I wrote RB code was back when it was still using SVN :) 10.26.05 # <[Saint]> There was one, once upon a time. 10.26.57 # <[Saint]> I don't recall if it was committed and then removed in favor of the current implementation, or just never committed. 10.27.37 # Interesting 10.27.50 # <[Saint]> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/10198 10.27.57 # Is the "Media" USB port ever used on the H300 ? 10.28.14 # ah cool 10.29.12 # <[Saint]> there's also http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5744 10.29.20 # <[Saint]> but that's a bit yuck. 10.29.43 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2a01:d0:ffff:34a::8:3) 10.29.59 # Ah yeah, a little. 10.30.35 # Originally I kind of expected "car mode" to force charge-only by default, and was surprised that this wasn't the case 10.30.54 # <[Saint]> and there's also http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/11101 ... 10.31.06 # * [Saint] wonders how many other implementations he can dig up. 10.31.11 # Wow 10.31.40 # <[Saint]> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/8702 :) 10.31.56 # <[Saint]> apparently a popular feature. 10.34.00 # dang 10.34.40 # <[Saint]> Hmmm. car mode forcing charge only is probably sane. 10.35.25 # <[Saint]> oh, no. 10.35.36 # What else does car mode do? Bookmark current song and shut down upon USB power loss? Because that would be handy :) 10.36.24 # <[Saint]> I just figured car mode forcing charge only is highly counterintuitive if you're wanting to access storage via USB :) 10.36.34 # <[Saint]> There's a derp moment. 10.36.43 # Aaah, that's what it does? Fair. 10.36.50 # My car largely fails at parsing USB 10.37.02 # well... at reading external storage I guess 10.37.34 # filenames, let alone ID3 tags, take something like 3 seconds to display upon each track skip 10.37.45 # <[Saint]> What it does, or one of the things it does, is switches the device off when there's no power over USB (for instance, cutting ACC in a vehicle). 10.38.01 # and apparently all directories are listed in a *flat* manner. There's no "working directory" in a hierarchical sense. It's rather surprisingly bad. 10.38.32 # that sounds handy 10.39.13 # <[Saint]> It is, combined with resume on startup. 10.39.48 # If only we could get cars to just pass through their keypads to the player... somehow 10.40.12 # if the car enumerated as HID on the OTG port or something insane like that 10.40.25 # <[Saint]> That can be done in a limited fashion with some iPods using IAP. 10.40.32 # but it would be a mess 10.40.34 # Ah sweet 10.40.41 # Kind of like the old Alpine_CDC plugin? 10.53.45 Quit efyx (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 11.06.50 Join efyx [0] (~efyx@91.176.93.55) 11.22.45 # Well, that's it for me. 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I can't see the need to erase the content. 16.08.47 # to check if the EU firmware works on the US device... 16.13.20 # lorenzo92 (logs): I found the issue with the SD bus on Sansa Express, they use the LRADC pulldown to power up some hardware >< 16.24.55 Quit pretty_function (Remote host closed the connection) 16.34.03 # But how does format affect the firmware? 16.37.49 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:27:773:0:feed:c0f:fee) 16.38.52 # if you don't format you cannot run the OF 16.39.02 # OF uses a proprietary file system 16.42.13 Quit Strife89 (*.net *.split) 16.42.13 Quit bertrik (*.net *.split) 16.42.14 Quit amiconn (*.net *.split) 16.42.14 Quit pixelma (*.net *.split) 16.42.14 Quit alecjw (*.net *.split) 16.42.14 Quit dionoea_ (*.net *.split) 16.42.14 Quit evilnick_ (*.net *.split) 16.42.14 Quit mikroflops_ (*.net *.split) 16.42.14 Quit tchan (*.net *.split) 16.42.19 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 16.42.19 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 16.42.27 Join dionoea [0] (~dionoea@91.121.6.101) 16.42.29 Join pixelma [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 16.47.55 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 16.47.57 # Here, the OF runs Recovery Mode fine without having to format, and that shows the LCD is working. 16.49.37 # no, recovery mode is handled by a completely part of the code 16.49.51 # it's not in the OF, it's part of the creative bootloader 16.50.06 # which never changes 17.05.01 Quit solrize (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17.08.01 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-208-226.mcn.bellsouth.net) 17.08.01 Join alecjw [0] (~wright@cpc8-cmbg14-2-0-cust680.5-4.cable.virginm.net) 17.08.01 Join evilnick_ [0] (~evilnick@d54C37FA5.access.telenet.be) 17.08.01 Join mikroflops_ [0] (~yogurt@s208h98o2esc1.dyn.tyfon.se) 17.08.01 Join tchan [0] (~tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 17.11.10 Join psilonux [0] (~psilonux@2001:470:1f15:10f6:1438:210d:ef6a:b16c) 17.11.39 Part psilonux 17.16.36 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 17.20.11 # Ah, so I guess you're saying the fact that Recovery Mode shows the LCD to be working is insufficient. That the rest of the OF might fail. 17.23.40 # But I don't see that format is needed. Without format, the OF shows two pages on the LCD fine. 17.25.20 # BTW FWIW, I have tested each OF variant on a unit shipped with the other. All combinations work fine. 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How would I do this? 22.05.42 # hmm read a bunch about problems with bricking Sansas (I have older Sansa Fuze v1 unaffected) with or without rockbox 22.06.03 # Suddenly brick sansas, you mean? 22.06.06 # yep 22.06.15 # "white screen of death" it happens to some 22.06.22 # Ah, I see. 22.06.37 # first try to see, does it show up as storage device when connected to computer? 22.06.45 # wodz: the datasheet does make it sound like more of a microcontroller or DSP with all the different DRAM blocks 22.07.08 # Well, no, it doesn't mount right now. 22.07.17 # It's off and I can't seem to even turn it on. 22.07.58 # saratoga: Yes. It is MIPS 4k core with mips16e extension but this mem banking is nightmare 22.08.12 # wodz: does it have enough RAM to even run rockbox? 22.08.13 # OhGodHelp: something between holding power switch for 60 seconds, or power switch and "home" button for 60 seconds, or wait for battery to run out (4+ days) 22.08.21 # saratoga: I don't think so 22.08.21 Join Guest81512 [0] (Slayer@c-69-143-178-62.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 22.08.31 # ah well then thats easy enough :) 22.08.49 # OhGodHelp: it's not limited to Rockbox though so you may find better answer on SanDisk support forum? 22.09.01 # ...And now it suddenly turned on no problem. 22.09.09 # Back into Rockbox firmware. 22.09.12 # yep 22.09.49 # Well, 22.09.57 # I don't know what happened. 22.10.03 # But I hope it doesn't repeat itself. 22.10.10 # wish I had a better answer for you 22.10.13 Join bertrik_ [0] (~quassel@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 22.10.13 Quit bertrik_ (Changing host) 22.10.13 Join bertrik_ [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 22.10.52 # saratoga: It uses harvard memory model also which would be really hard for rockbox 22.10.57 # It's fine. 22.10.59 # Thanks! 22.11.08 Quit OhGodHelp (Quit: Page closed) 22.11.14 Join K1773R_ [0] (~K1773R@unaffiliated/k1773r) 22.11.36 # i wonder why people keep making weird devices like this given how trivial the hardware requirements are 22.12.37 Quit bertrik (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 22.12.37 Quit K1773R (Excess Flood) 22.12.38 Quit treaki_ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22.12.38 Quit Guest11127 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22.12.43 Nick K1773R_ is now known as K1773R (~K1773R@unaffiliated/k1773r) 22.13.02 Join treaki__ [0] (de47b32fd4@p4FDF751E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.13.21 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 22.14.36 Quit solrize (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.14.41 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g231120221.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.17.45 # saratoga: this looks like transition between earlier z80 + dsp SoCs to newer MIPS based 'normal' approach 22.19.18 Join psilonux [0] (~psilonux@2001:470:1f15:10f6:9d30:957e:80e2:c90) 22.19.38 Join krabador [0] (~krabador_@unaffiliated/krabador) 22.19.48 Part psilonux 22.20.33 Quit krabador (Max SendQ exceeded) 22.20.56 Join psilonux [0] (~psilonux@2001:470:1f15:10f6:9d30:957e:80e2:c90) 22.21.21 Join krabador [0] (~krabador_@unaffiliated/krabador) 22.21.49 Join thegeek [0] (~thegeek@105.11.9.46.customer.cdi.no) 22.25.24 Quit thegeek_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 22.39.31 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@host26-106-dynamic.248-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 22.46.39 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 22.47.17 # pamaury (logs): great ;) indeed there was a missing power up, who knows for what (either the multiplexer or the inand) 22.47.45 # wodz: ping 22.48.21 # pamaury: pong 22.48.30 Quit Wardo (Quit: Blarglarg) 22.48.32 # did you see my messages about possible atj core ? 22.48.54 # did you see my response? :-) 22.49.16 # yeah but I didn't understand it completely 22.49.18 # I can send you the archive if you want, so you can have a look, might be interesting 22.50.02 # pamaury: Long story short: 2127 doesn't look like possible target for rockbox 22.50.27 # are you sure it's 2127 ? 22.50.50 # looking at photos I am pretty sure 22.51.05 # ah he uploaded the photos ? 22.51.49 # http://i.imgur.com/Yio5GLW.jpg 22.52.57 # indeed 22.53.13 # so it's horrible to program 22.54.04 # and the mem is too limited - 88kB of program memory and something like this for data 22.55.20 # probably worth double checking that theres no additional DRAM on that board though 22.55.38 # but yeah, if its some weird DSP arch, its likely not worth the trouble 22.56.23 # it is mips 4k so the arch is pretty sane 22.56.35 # its just the mem model arcane 23.04.36 # apparently many philips are stmp3770 based 23.04.43 # 512KB of memory 23.05.03 # they seem to like SoC with little memory so that's it's hard to program and very slow ^^ 23.05.38 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23.06.20 # <[Saint]> Probably justifies tha man hours spent building awful firmware. 23.06.26 # <[Saint]> *the, even 23.07.12 Join solrize [0] (solrize@unaffiliated/solrize) 23.08.22 # Actions OF has HUGE code duplication. Each submodule is selfcontained elf (much like our plugins with exception that each submodule is loaded at different, static address) 23.19.17 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 23.23.16 # :-o 23.23.34 # that's why it's so slow I guess, it must be switching all the time 23.23.56 # I know freescale on the stmp3770 does VM + swapping and that's horribly slow 23.32.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.34.12 Quit solrize (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.34.44 Quit psilonux (Quit: Leaving) 23.46.35 Quit lorenzo92 (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 23.46.52 Quit y4n (Quit: Do you like hurting other people?) 23.49.26 Quit bertrik_ (Remote host closed the connection) 23.49.51 *** Invited to #esclave-elisabeth-heban-en-collant-a-ligoter by esclave-elisabet!54652fdf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.101.47.223 23.51.08 Quit krabador (Quit: Sto andando via)