--- Log for 12.12.113 Server: barjavel.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 3 days and 4 hours ago 00.16.44 Quit ender` (Quit: Eighty percent of all people consider themselves to be above-average drivers.) 00.20.41 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 00.24.56 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.25.03 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-193-180.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 00.27.35 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131202182626]) 00.32.07 Quit onder` (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00.32.23 Join onder` [0] (~onder@dyn-dsl-to-76-75-119-170.nexicom.net) 01.06.41 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.07.50 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-193-180.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 01.41.05 Quit fyrestorm (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.42.41 Join treaki_ [0] (25f7861023@p4FF4A08B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.44.58 Quit treaki__ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 01.58.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.14.10 Quit ur725 (Quit: CRC fail (0x11)) 02.44.27 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@ip70-178-52-92.ks.ks.cox.net) 02.44.27 Quit cmhobbs (Changing host) 02.44.27 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 02.44.49 Quit Topy44 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 02.45.24 Join Topy44 [0] (~Topy44@93.190.93.215) 02.57.47 Join saratoga [0] (123e11e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.62.17.224) 02.57.59 # what is the cause of this sudden influx of spam? did we lose our spam filtering software? 03.36.30 Quit saratoga (Quit: Page closed) 03.58.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.19.08 Join Scromple_ [0] (~Simon@161.43.73.67) 04.19.16 Join Raptors_ [0] (~whoneedsa@198-200-68-213.cpe.distributel.net) 04.19.16 Quit Raptors (Disconnected by services) 04.21.00 Quit Scr0mple (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.29.12 Quit krabador (Quit: Leaving) 04.58.23 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.58.23 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.58.23 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.58.24 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.58.26 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.58.26 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.34.51 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 05.35.04 Join [7] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.58.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.45.50 Quit Cultist (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 06.55.34 Join Cultist [0] (~CultOfThe@c-24-12-53-28.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 06.59.49 Quit Cultist (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 07.13.02 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07.19.55 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 07.21.25 Join Foocup [0] (6036d596@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.54.213.150) 07.21.40 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 07.22.26 # Hey, I was wondering if anyone could help me? 07.22.55 # I'm having trouble getting my PC to recognize my iPod Classic once in DFU mode 07.23.11 # * JdGord|w points to [Saint] 07.34.48 Quit Foocup (Quit: Page closed) 07.40.28 Join saratoga [0] (123e11e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.62.17.224) 07.58.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.01.59 Join fragilematter [0] (~fragilema@unaffiliated/fragilematter) 08.04.17 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@193.174.67.16) 08.04.17 Quit kugel (Changing host) 08.04.17 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 08.12.06 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.21.30 Join mortalis [0] (~kvirc@194.133.18.67) 08.52.04 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.56.11 Quit ruskie (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.56.15 Quit soap_ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 08.56.53 Join soap_ [0] (~soap@cpe-174-102-96-10.woh.res.rr.com) 08.56.53 Quit soap_ (Changing host) 08.56.53 Join soap_ [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 08.57.08 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 08.57.08 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 08.57.08 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 09.10.16 Join ruskie [0] (ruskie@sourcemage/mage/ruskie) 09.18.44 Quit michaelni (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 09.20.02 Join michaelni [0] (~michael@chello084114129144.4.15.vie.surfer.at) 09.22.57 Join petur [0] (5bb7304d@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.27.13 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09.27.22 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 09.38.01 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2a01:d0:ffff:34a::8:3) 09.45.13 Join Foorud [0] (6036d596@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.54.213.150) 09.45.53 # Anyone know why my iPod isn't recognized my my PC after installing rockbox? 09.46.51 # <[Saint]> Which iPod 09.47.04 # Classic 7G 120GB 09.47.23 # <[Saint]> Are you using the fallback image? 09.47.33 # No 09.47.49 # <[Saint]> Try that. 09.48.01 # Alright, thanks. 09.48.04 # <[Saint]> Boot it from the emCORE tools menu. 09.49.05 # That didn't work :/ 09.49.49 # <[Saint]> That is very odd. What OS is this? 09.49.53 # <[Saint]> (the host) 09.50.24 # R859 09.50.29 # If that's what you mean, 09.50.53 # <[Saint]> No, the machine you're plugging it in to. 09.51.02 # Oh, Windows 8. 09.53.10 # <[Saint]> Its not a USB 3 port by any chance is it? 09.53.20 # No. 09.53.34 # I have the drive symbol with a question mark. 09.53.45 # <[Saint]> That is very odd. How did you manage to install ROckbox in the first place? 09.54.15 # <[Saint]> Did it stop working, or has it never worked? 09.54.47 # I had it working for maybe 20 seconds and I put a few songs on it then the window closed and it stopped working 09.56.27 # I just plugged it in and it says data abort at 0802bff8 09.58.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.58.44 # Just got it to open again and then it closed after a few seconds 10.00.19 # Guess I'll just try again in the morning, thanks for the help. 10.00.22 Quit Foorud (Quit: Page closed) 10.31.18 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 10.48.34 Nick SuperBrainAK is now known as DormantBrain (~andy@2001:470:8:a61::5f92:59a1) 10.50.33 Join LinusN [0] (linus@giant.haxx.se) 10.53.25 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.56.32 Quit rudi_s (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 10.57.40 Join rudi_s [0] (~simon@ircbox.informatik.uni-erlangen.de) 11.06.27 Join mortalis|2 [0] (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 11.09.50 Quit mortalis (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 11.14.01 Nick mortalis|2 is now known as mortalis (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 11.21.02 # wodz: I have the ZEN MX :) 11.21.11 # oh goodie 11.23.35 Join mortalis|2 [0] (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 11.23.35 Quit mortalis (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.25.54 Nick mortalis|2 is now known as mortalis (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 11.32.39 # It's weird that they put play/pause on the same button as power 11.33.52 # that is quite common, no? 11.34.05 # is ipod classic rockbox no apple accessory support or dual boot problems still being investigated, or is that something that has been deemed a dead horse? 11.34.51 # I mean, why did they change the ZEN design which was very good 11.35.10 # Wade_: I guess TheSeven seriously lacks time to advance the development and noone jumped in 11.35.29 # do you think TheSeven would accept a bribe? 11.36.14 # only if it is in 'free time extenders units' :-) 11.36.20 # because i'd rather pay money for rockbox to work properly like it does on 5.5g and older than sell my late 09 160gb to procure a 5.5 11.37.41 # Well apple accessory is a bit complicated. Older protocol is probably quite easy to support (UART based one). The problem is that AFAIU newer accessories use encrypted usb transfers 11.37.45 # is there a dev similarly or more competent than TheSeven that might have sufficient free time to investigate and just lacks the device or what? because it's been broken for years. 11.38.17 # Wade_: not within rockbox community I am afraid 11.38.30 # that sucks ass, my car's dash is one solid piece so i can't replace the cd player with one that has RCA inputs so i need that usb out to work 11.38.51 # hm 11.39.01 # do you know when newer accessories switched to encrypted usb? 11.39.26 # no, that is not my field of expertise 11.39.41 # * pamaury will never work on iPod, never never never 11.39.43 # is there someone specific I should ask rather than randomly positing queries in this channel? 11.40.05 # TheSeven :-) 11.40.14 # mamaury, i just like it because if i put a 128GB+ flash drive in my car 11.40.32 # it reads the fat table and i can't sort the shit at all, it's all based on the order in which the music copied onto the drive 11.41.20 # please forgive my language, i have slept since i read the rules. i did click the link that the bot spit out after i joined the channel yesterday. i will do my best to be more careful. 11.43.19 # atj pll is weird - It doesn't seem to have a field informing you that it is in locked state. OF just inserts 8 nops and assumes everything is ok after that 11.50.21 # I have no idea what atj, pll (outside of an x58 and x79 intel chipset bios settings), or what a nop is 11.51.10 # Wade_: this wasn't message for you directly 11.51.22 # what are you trying to fix? 11.52.30 # I am working on porting rockbox to Iriver e series (e100/150/200/300). It uses Actions atj2135n SoC. I was referring to frequency settings. 11.54.04 # oh ok 11.58.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.00.00 # wodz: I've seen many code just wait some time for lock instead of checking the lock state... 12.00.34 # pamaury: no I mean there is no such bit in pll control register 12.01.28 # yeah but many codes just don't use them when there is one ^^ 12.01.53 # why do you need a state bit if you don't use it ;) 12.03.37 # lol 12.15.20 Quit ender` (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.17.48 # pamaury: btw, I tried to dump registers on rk27xx. I passed reg desc file to the shell as an arg but when issuing DUMPER.dump_all("filename") it returns some error I don't understand (and can remember now of course) 12.20.56 Quit ender| (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 12.43.29 Join ender| [0] (krneki@2a01:260:4094:1:42:42:42:42) 12.46.27 # wodz: give me the precise error when you retry 12.46.57 # pamaury: will do 12.50.07 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 12.56.38 Quit toehser (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.58.26 Join toehser [0] (~tom@Connqueror.Toms.NET) 13.09.53 Quit toehser (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.13.29 Join toehser [0] (~tom@Connqueror.Toms.NET) 13.17.29 Quit Guest86221 (Quit: Bye bye) 13.19.05 # damn, I'm afraid the ZEN MX might use raw NAND, I can't see any sd/flash bridge on the PCB 13.20.27 Quit ikeboy (Quit: ikeboy) 13.20.57 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 13.24.23 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@146-52-209-206-dynip.superkabel.de) 13.25.10 # and it's based on Sigmatel SDK instead of nucleus kernel, so it's quite different from the ZEN software-wise 13.28.34 # so that's one more insight to handle nand in imx233 13.30.28 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 13.31.38 Quit lorenzo92 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 13.44.35 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@146-52-209-206-dynip.superkabel.de) 13.58.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.02.01 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 14.08.41 Join mortalis|2 [0] (~kvirc@194.133.18.67) 14.11.32 Quit mortalis (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 14.12.41 Quit soap_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14.12.55 Quit lorenzo92 (Remote host closed the connection) 14.14.42 # and it only has 2MB of RAM ?! 14.34.12 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@ip70-178-52-92.ks.ks.cox.net) 14.34.12 Quit cmhobbs (Changing host) 14.34.12 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 14.39.35 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 14.39.54 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 14.41.35 Join thegeek [0] (~thegeek@105.11.9.46.customer.cdi.no) 14.42.00 Join pretty_function [0] (~sigBART@123.252.212.102) 14.43.20 Quit pretty_function (Client Quit) 14.45.05 Quit thegeek_ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 14.45.28 Join maruk1 [0] (~papier@titanium.v6.sdv.fr) 14.48.02 Join mindflash [0] (~fluxo@unaffiliated/mindflash) 14.59.05 Quit mortalis|2 (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 15.09.05 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 15.22.33 # pamaury: you're still abroad? 15.24.02 # lebellium: no 15.24.08 # went back on saturday 15.24.20 # ok 15.24.28 # so you also got the X-Fi Style? :D 15.27.19 # my brother has it, long story 15.27.35 # I'll get it at christmas when I see him 15.27.42 # I've got the ZEN MX now 15.27.50 # Yeah I read that 15.28.03 # what does the central button do on MX then? 15.29.36 # ah now I understand 15.29.46 # there is one button less on MX 15.30.09 # on the X-Fi style there are the same buttons + dedicated on/off 15.30.53 # does that mean there is no "hold" feature on the MX?! 15.31.55 Quit kevku (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 15.33.11 # lebellium: indeed 15.33.18 Join Steak____ [0] (5b588fb5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.88.143.181) 15.33.35 # and it's very minimal: 2MB of memory only, raw NAND 15.34.19 # yes but it has a sd slot 15.34.35 # the X-Fi Style doesn't 15.34.50 # true 15.36.49 # but the X-Fi Style has Phison bridge so internal storage appears as SD which makes it trivial to port 15.37.33 # good news 15.38.56 # I'm doing a bit of RE on the ZEN MX to see what are the other differences 15.39.43 # I just bought a YP-S3. I know bertrik is not willing to continue his preliminary work on this target but maybe you will one day :D 15.39.52 # I have one iirc 15.39.57 # yes you have 15.40.00 # I checked :D 15.40.07 # ^^ 15.42.09 # Now I just need to buy a YP-S5 and YP-T10 and then I guess I would have all Samsung players released since 2006-2007 15.42.43 # the T10 is nice but fragile 15.43.04 # the S5 looks cool but I don't know if it is 15.43.19 # yes plastic case... and the stupid Sammy UI is laggy :) 15.44.02 # but I don't plan to work on other targets soon, first I need to consolidate all the new targets 15.44.10 # Sure! 15.46.28 # I need to finish so many targets: ZEN X-Fi/2/3/Style, ZEN/MX/V/V Plus, Sansa Express, Sony NWZ360/370 ^^ 15.46.59 # depends on what you call "finish" :) 15.47.41 # at least everything working and supported by RBUtil if possible 15.47.54 # and reasonable keymap and perhaps manual 15.48.30 # they would become stable targets then 15.48.32 # that's much work^^ 15.51.49 # stable takes time, but this is looking good, many problems are shared: the stfm1000 radio is unsupported and common to many players 15.51.59 # also power management is common to all 15.52.05 # sony nwz has battery life problem 15.52.34 # and of course there is nand flash but that's not mandatory since with have SD slot on zenxfi2 and zenmx 15.57.08 Quit Bluefoxicy (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 15.57.29 Quit ikeboy (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 15.58.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.59.19 Join Bluefoxicy [0] (~Bluefoxic@c-76-21-157-203.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 15.59.46 # for the samsung devices, I think the situation is pretty favorable: they mostly use two different socs for which we have support, but many of them use nand flash which is a pain 16.01.55 # yes, only a very few Samsung have a microSD slot 16.02.11 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 16.04.35 Quit Bluefoxicy (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 16.05.19 Join Bluefoxicy [0] (~Bluefoxic@c-76-21-157-203.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 16.05.58 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 16.10.07 Join fyrestorm [0] (~nnscript@cpe-24-90-158-3.nyc.res.rr.com) 16.32.59 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:27:773:0:feed:c0f:fee) 16.35.50 # pamaury: "I mean, why did they change the ZEN design which was very good" Cost reduction. 16.41.27 Part LinusN 16.55.18 Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 16.59.52 # I'm not sure removing the power slider resulted in a huge cost reduction ^^ 16.59.59 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 17.00.04 # However reducing the RAM and remove the bridge must have yeah 17.18.43 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@2602:306:250d:18b9:d4c:271d:5a6d:23f0) 17.20.56 Quit Zagor (Quit: Clint excited) 17.29.30 Quit Steak____ (Quit: Page closed) 17.31.50 # About the slider agreed, but you know how it is with these people - every penny pinched is a penny saved! :) 17.32.43 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 17.33.02 # especially since it has no hold button (: 17.33.03 # :( 17.35.09 # I don't know whether this is relevant to your objectives A, but you might like to know that the ZEN MX user base is very small, relatively speaking. 17.37.13 # I'm aware of it, but I would like to see what can be done, at least quickly 17.37.20 # I think it uses the same screen as the ZEN 17.38.14 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Rebooting) 17.38.34 Quit petur (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 17.39.22 # and it's also STMP3700 so it provides another way of debugging problems 17.44.36 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@2602:306:250d:18b9:9585:a3b9:6c9a:cca5) 17.44.59 Quit ikeboy (Quit: ikeboy) 17.58.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.00.39 # Good they haven't cost-reduced the screen to cause more problems :) 18.02.00 # pamaury: Re the ZEN plain, I've sketched a device picture for RB: http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7950/fecv.png 18.03.47 # chrisjj: it's made from Creative official press pics, isn't it? 18.04.04 # Absolutely not. It is drawn by me. 18.04.28 # Why thinks you? 18.04.29 # With Inkscape? 18.04.33 # Yes. 18.04.40 # Great 18.04.45 # we found the man 18.04.50 # we have much work for you :P 18.05.18 # You've lost me there. Drawing a picture is far easier than coding! :) 18.05.29 # It's a SVG pic right? 18.05.33 # Yes. 18.05.41 # chrisjj: that looks great! 18.06.00 # Only two people are doing that here and they are very busy. 18.06.06 # I'm now looking for the various places in the project that need a device picture, the format required and the attendance artistic variants. So far I have found 1) www\playerpics 2) rockbox simulator 3) manual. 18.06.08 # so it is probably not that easy 18.06.08 # Did I miss any? 18.07.48 # I can't say for sure. But I can tell you easily what you could do too since perfectrug and pixelma have no time: All Creative players, Sony NWZ and Samsung YP-R1/Z5 18.07.50 # :D 18.08.26 # I tried with inkscape and miserably failed. pamaury too. So you can save us :D 18.08.48 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 18.08.56 # I work by eye and sadly I don't have those players, but perhaps I could fake it. 18.09.42 # you don't take an official press pic as basis to convert it to SVG? 18.09.43 # Perhaps from photos. 18.10.50 # I followed the style of the ZEN press pic becasue it is kind of iconic in its own way, but the differences come from looking at the device. 18.11.10 # chrisjj: wow, great picture 18.11.23 # It is OK for other devices to just redraw a press pic? 18.11.46 # yeah, as long as you do it by yourself and you are not copy pasting that's fine 18.12.08 # I haven't really "converted" playerpics, just took a good photo and drew the outlines on top of it first, then went on from there with filling gradients and stuff 18.12.09 # (you can copy paste our logo though ^^) 18.12.32 # I did check the license :) 18.12.36 # my drawing skills are negative compared to yours :-/ 18.14.21 # chrisjj: that's the best I could do http://media.generationmp3.com/lebellium/R1/R1rockboxed2.svg. As it's bad, I gave up :) 18.14.52 # I don't like losing my time when people do it far better than me 18.15.06 # chrisjj: did you check the various svgs in manual/rockbox_interface/images? We need a text layer with the buttons in there, and then someone needs to find the script or commandline we normally use to convert to the various sizes we need 18.15.31 # I had my problems with transparent fillings in the SVG when used during the manual build process, so I avoided it by replacing them with colour fillings that looked the same in the end but that meant more work (more containers to fill and find out what "end colours" they needed 18.16.26 # I'm not aware of any commandline for different sizes... 18.16.34 Join pretty_function [0] (~sigBART@123.252.212.102) 18.16.39 # gevaerts: yes, and could not fathom the requirements from that. 18.17.38 Quit fragilematter (Quit: Leaving.) 18.17.49 # chrisjj: IIRC we just need a separate layer named "text" with the button labels and arrows 18.17.51 # gevaerts: wouold you be interested in spending some time with me to make up a minimal write up of the art requirements of a device? 18.18.26 Quit Bluefoxicy (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18.19.04 # the playerpic PNGs are exported from inkscape with the longest dimension set to 80 pixels IIRC 18.20.40 # pixelma: I'm fairly sure Zagor and I once worked out a way to do it from the cli. Trying to find that now... 18.22.04 # gevaerts: Meaning that teh SVG is a master, and Inkscape is in the build tool set?? 18.22.16 # chrisjj: no 18.22.24 # Well 18.22.41 # svg is the master, but the manual toolchain can use that directly 18.22.55 # The others are website and themesite, and those are done once by hand 18.23.17 # But the idea is that we can regenerate those if we need to 18.23.24 # OK, I get it. 18.24.04 # website, themesite ... and simulator? 18.25.41 # the manuals can use SVG directly not inkscape ;) 18.25.48 # Well, simulator is handled entirely separately again, for reasons I'm not aware of. You'll notice that quite often those are based on a photo 18.25.54 # simulator is a bit more problematic because we need exact positioning for the screen 18.25.57 # can not use inkscape I mean ;) 18.26.33 # Pay special attention to the iaudio 7 simulator image :) 18.26.38 # pixelma: OK, so the format is SVG and Inkscape is just one possible creation tool. 18.26.47 # Yes 18.27.05 # Simulator use of photo is not a good decision, I think. 18.27.17 # gevaerts: only reason for the simulator being different is "history" and noone doing the work required to recreate the simulator background from the SVGs 18.27.39 # Yes, likely 18.27.40 # I think 18.27.51 # Simulator would best be served by SVG defining positions, I think, but perhaps leave that to future. 18.28.09 # I don't disagree, but that's not a trivial change 18.28.48 # There are some other simulator things that make reusing the svgs tricky, such as the images with side views to see the buttons better 18.29.00 # gevaerts: understood. At least the simulator image ought to show the button boundaries to the user, I think. And that is easy. 18.29.17 # chrisjj: if the buttons are on the front, sure 18.29.19 Join Bluefoxicy [0] (~Bluefoxic@c-76-21-157-203.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 18.29.33 # gevaerts: but again should be planned rather than ad-hoc per device. 18.29.59 # gevaerts: good point :) Thankfully we have none on back ... I think. 18.30.22 # chrisjj: also remember remotes 18.30.32 # and I don't think it would be a good idea to embed the click boundaries in the picture. If there was a way to draw them based on what's in the simulator code that would be better IMO 18.31.02 # Anyway, the one hard rule is: we need an svg master. A slightly less hard rule is that we want a layer named "text" so we can easily hide the labels 18.31.04 # gevaerts: Re remots, which device is most representative? 18.31.41 # iriver h1x0 and h3x0 I'd say 18.32.33 # OK. 18.33.13 # hmm, reminds me that I still have SVGs of remotes that aren't used in their manuals yet (I believe I drew everyone needed)... :\ 18.33.16 Quit maruk1 (Quit: Leaving.) 18.34.43 # pixelma: re boundaries, I think you'd find code > data less good, but that's a big subject so probably left aside for now. 18.35.18 Quit Bluefoxicy (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 18.35.44 # I see rockbox-HEAD-cbed7ec\manual\rockbox_interface\images ... 18.35.44 Quit pretty_function (Quit: Leaving...) 18.36.37 # ... has PDF, PNG and SVG for most devices. Are these three all actually used by the build? 18.36.55 # Hmm 18.37.22 Join Narod [0] (~Narod@p5DDDB1C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.38.25 # Looks like we didn't integrate automated pdf and png generation yet, probably due to tools requirements 18.38.30 # Are there any written requiremetns or instructions for the workflow? Sorry if I overlooked it in the wiki. 18.38.48 # I *suspect* we use pdf and png for the manual build 18.38.54 # And not the svg 18.38.59 # yeah, the lcd *kindofwork* on ZEN MX 18.39.07 # as in display random garbage ^^ 18.39.49 # the wikipage was called ManualHowto I believe which had some instructions for the SVG too 18.40.05 # gevaerts: OK, fine, so is this correct: SVG is master, used only by manual conversion to PDF and PNG. 18.40.17 # Yes, for now. We need to automate that bit... 18.41.15 # gevaerts: hmm, SVG -> EPS -> epstopdf was what I used back then, IIRC 18.41.41 # and epstopdf didn't like transparencies 18.41.41 # pixelma: inkscape can go straight to pdf these days 18.42.28 # So it should be easier now 18.42.32 # yeah. Maybe imagemagick would be something to go to nowadays 18.42.50 # Is theer some significance to the SVG having the labels OUTside the page? e.g. http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1733/04w9.png 18.43.55 # chrisjj: I don't *know*, but that might make exporting without labels easier 18.44.25 # I think that was for better readability only 18.44.31 # well "only" 18.44.53 # Can't see how it is better :) Note that the leaders are still within the page. 18.45.42 # I suspect it doesn't matter much, as long as the tools we use to convert can properly find the area used, which they should really do 18.45.54 # gevaerts: to which export do you refer? I see no without-label export in manual\ 18.46.28 # chrisjj: we need the without-label one, even if it's not documented :) 18.46.39 # Anyway, I'll see if I can work on this a bit tonight 18.46.57 # ah, that's what you mean (hadn't looked at the picture before). AFAIR the labels and leaders were added later and resizing the canvas messed with the whole drawing back then (maybe a bug in this specific inkscape version) 18.46.58 # OK, but where? www perhaps? 18.47.14 # www and themesite 18.47.27 # http://build.rockbox.org/ e.g. 18.48.47 # Anyway, I'm thinking that if we have a properly commented script that takes the svg and produces all other forms, that should help 18.50.25 # Are you proposing document the human workflow for now and add scruipt later, or do script now? Former seems safer to me. 18.50.35 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 18.55.54 # pixelma: Inkscape page resize now works fine. But before anyone changes it, let me say it looks to me as if it might be being used as a region for one of the exports e.g. www\playerpics\ . 18.56.46 # Clarification: But before anyone changes * the page size *, let me say it looks to me as if it might be being used as a region for one of the exports e.g. www\playerpics\ . 19.00.13 Quit ikeboy (Quit: ikeboy) 19.00.21 # gevaerts: "www and themesite". 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