--- Log for 15.12.113 Server: barjavel.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 6 days and 4 hours ago 00.16.53 Quit Narod- () 00.38.55 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision c72b454, 243 builds, 34 clients. 00.41.34 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 160 seconds. 00.47.26 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision ed5b853, 243 builds, 34 clients. 00.48.29 # my work was quite a ram size win 00.49.33 # this is because previously the line buffer for scrolling was per-line 00.49.55 # now there is a single one, and it gets re-used in a whole-display scroll cycle 00.50.14 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 168 seconds. 00.50.48 # gevaerts: recorder build broken again 00.53.10 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.53.37 # <[Saint]> niiice. 00.53.49 # <[Saint]> Well done, Sir. Well done. 00.54.25 Quit JdGordon1 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.57.13 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01.01.07 Quit JdGordon| (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 01.01.43 Quit ender` (Quit: Documentation is like sex: when it's good, it's very good, and when it's bad it's still better than nothing.) 01.08.06 Join JdGordon| [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.17.01 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.18.07 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0/20131209204824]) 01.24.09 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 01.38.05 Join treaki__ [0] (~treaki@p4FDF7FA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.39.27 Quit treaki_ (Read error: Operation timed out) 01.52.40 # Hmmm... I cant find the Creative Zen X-Fi3 in the current RButil, V1.3.1. Is it just me? 01.56.25 # <[Saint]> That would be intentional. 01.57.06 # <[Saint]> AFAIK the only unusable target that appears there is the Classic, and I'm not too fond of that to be honest. 01.57.12 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01.58.01 # <[Saint]> It seems wrong to offer a way to update Rockbox on a target where installation is totally unsupported. But, mah. 01.58.07 # <[Saint]> *meh 01.59.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.04.24 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@dslb-178-010-085-003.pools.arcor-ip.net) 02.04.25 Quit Horscht (Changing host) 02.04.25 Join Horscht [0] (~Horscht@xbmc/user/horscht) 02.09.52 Quit chrisjj (Quit: Page closed) 02.09.52 Quit Horscht (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.12.07 Join chrisjj [0] (561bb732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.27.183.50) 02.16.54 # [Saint]: OK, thanks. BTW, which is this unusable Classic? If you refer to iPod Classic (iPod 6g), well that too does not show for me: http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9573/af05.png 02.17.48 # <[Saint]> Well..you'll also notice that you don't have "Show disabled targets" checked. 02.18.11 # :) Thanks. 02.26.39 # Does Rockbox Utility have a designated maintainer? None is mentioned in docs/MAINTAINERS. 02.32.28 # <[Saint]> bluebrother 02.35.42 # Thanks. 02.35.49 # bluebrother: see above :) 02.38.10 Nick SuperBrainAK is now known as DormantBrain (~andy@2001:470:8:a61::5f92:59a1) 02.39.17 # <[Saint]> I'm unsure of what you think needs attention. 02.39.50 # MAINTAINERS. 02.40.28 # <[Saint]> There's nothing stopping you from adding it. 02.40.42 # Sure about that? 02.40.52 # <[Saint]> Absolutely. 02.42.41 # Thanks. I see so many amends that apparently all the Devs have been apparently stopped from making, that I wonder. 02.43.44 # bluebrother: If you're around, you might like to know the "Read the manual" links for Archos Jukebox Recorder v2 (20GB) are broken. 02.44.27 # <[Saint]> I mean this in the nicest possible way, but, sometimes, most of the time, I have no idea what you're talking about. Or if you do. 02.45.45 # If you try those links, you'll know what I mean. 02.46.12 # <[Saint]> I'm not talking about that. I mean all these devs that have apparently been shut down. 02.46.26 # <[Saint]> That's flatly untrue. 02.48.20 # OK, I guess they all have better things to do that e.g. maintain MAINTAiNERS. 02.50.39 Quit nosa-j (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 02.52.27 # BTW, are archived Rockbox Manual builds available anywhere? I find see the archived code builds, but not any Manual builds. 02.53.15 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@66.233.224.206) 02.54.31 # <[Saint]> I don't think so. 02.54.36 # <[Saint]> I doubt it makes much sense. 02.55.16 # <[Saint]> The manual very rarely changes. Not enough that it makes sense to offer ~3 archived builds. ~99% of the time they'd be identical. 03.01.10 # " don't think so." OK, thanks. 03.01.46 # " ~99% of the time they'd be identical." Not if they were the last three changed versions. :) 03.03.06 # <[Saint]> Those archived builds are provided purely for convenience. The general view is that if you want a specific version, you'll build it. 03.05.24 # <[Saint]> There are very rarely ever cases where there will be a change which means a new manual will no longer apply to an older build. Very rarely. 03.05.54 # <[Saint]> Worst usual case is that the new manual will simply list features the old one doesn't. The rest should still apply. 03.07.24 # <[Saint]> unless you're talking about extreme cases where either the manual or the binary is /drastically/ older than the other, it shouldn't be an issue. 03.16.08 Quit dfkt_ (Quit: -= SysReset 2.55=- Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.) 03.17.29 # I want to cite a specific page, so I need a permalink to a fixed copy. But no matter. 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I see. 09.32.55 # <[Saint]> That points to the filesystem being corrupt then, one guesses. 09.34.31 # k extracting that zip to the root. ill let you know if it fixws it 09.34.34 # fixes* 09.35.26 # <[Saint]> Sorry, my answer was a little hasty (the symptom you described is a regular user error). 09.35.47 # <[Saint]> If the files are actually there, then, that changes things. 09.36.17 # i just replaced them with the files from the link you provided and everything is fine now. 09.36.21 # you are a wizard sir. 09.36.52 # <[Saint]> You should still inspect the filesystem, otherwise there's every chance this may continue to happen. 09.37.18 # <[Saint]> And it might choose to chew up and spit out data you care about next time. 09.37.32 # <[Saint]> ("it" being "the filesystem corruption goblin") 09.37.43 # <[Saint]> {they're very real...} 09.38.08 # ill be on guard 09.38.11 # thank you sir 09.49.01 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 09.58.05 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@nl118-168-30.student.uu.se) 09.58.05 Quit n1s (Changing host) 09.58.05 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 09.59.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.59.38 Quit lolcats_ (Quit: Page closed) 10.22.01 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 10.26.30 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 10.34.09 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 10.34.43 Join eyfour [0] (~eyfour@176.76.202.84.customer.cdi.no) 10.40.10 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 10.50.54 Part eyfour ("WeeChat 0.3.7") 10.57.29 Quit efyx (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 11.03.53 Nick SuperBrainAK is now known as DormantBrain (~andy@2001:470:8:a61::5f92:59a1) 11.11.10 Join efyx [0] (~efyx@91.176.73.220) 11.22.32 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@host203-116-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 11.27.00 Quit test___ (Quit: Page closed) 11.28.47 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 11.28.56 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.30.26 Quit sakax (Quit: Leaving) 11.41.19 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.49.35 # chrisjj: yes 11.59.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.29.26 Quit lorenzo92 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.31.29 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 12.48.22 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@host7-104-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 12.54.20 Join lebellium_ [0] (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 12.57.50 Quit lebellium (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.58.00 Nick lebellium_ is now known as lebellium (~chatzilla@lns-c10k-ld-02-m-212-194-176-149.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 13.05.50 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13.06.26 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 13.18.35 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.21.47 Join Narod [0] (~Narod@p5DDDB156.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.46.11 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 13.46.29 Quit Raptors (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 13.47.05 Join Raptors [0] (~whoneedsa@198-200-68-213.cpe.distributel.net) 13.51.14 Quit ikeboy (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 13.54.45 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 13.55.07 Quit ikeboy (Client Quit) 13.59.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.21.06 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 14.24.07 Quit Wade_ (Quit: Leaving) 14.38.31 Quit lorenzo92 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131206145143]) 15.07.17 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 15.23.43 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 15.48.13 Quit kevku (Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) 15.59.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.00.28 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 16.06.39 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@5356B815.cm-6-7c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 16.06.40 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 16.06.40 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 16.08.16 Join kevku [0] (~kevku@2001:470:27:773:0:feed:c0f:fee) 16.14.43 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16.30.42 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 16.36.04 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 16.44.09 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 16.56.21 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@nl118-168-30.student.uu.se) 16.56.22 Quit n1s (Changing host) 16.56.22 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 17.03.16 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 17.07.54 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.23.22 Join mortalis [0] (~mortalis@77.108.98.176) 17.37.39 Join Szczepancio [0] (~Patryk@acft44.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 17.38.03 # lebellium: Have you done any work on e370 series? 17.38.40 # After my absence. 17.42.28 # Szczepancio: I don't do anything, I'm not a dev :) 17.42.47 # pamaury is 17.44.10 # I know that pamaury is an dev :) 17.44.23 # So why do you ask me? :) 17.44.38 # Because pamaury said you is interested in keymapping. 17.44.57 # I thinked that you did something or so. 17.45.05 # I was thinking* 17.45.16 # Yes I reworked the keymapping as I already told you last time 17.45.36 # But no plugin mapping, yup? 17.45.40 # Do you have an e370? 17.45.47 # and as I also told you last time I'm not interested in doing the plugins keymapping 17.45.54 # I have a E360 17.46.03 # But I was thinking you made a change :) But you didn't. 17.46.31 # It's not bad at all. 17.47.37 # As pamaury is working on dozens of targets at the same time, I don't believe he will work on the NWZ plugins keymapping anytime soon. If you want it done, you should consider doing it yourself! 17.47.54 # I can it make done, but on e470. But no hack avalibe. 17.48.24 # I can done it on e370 too, but I am too no interested it in. 17.51.29 # E470 may have raw nand like E440, which makes the port difficult. Pamaury is trying to reverse the FTL but no luck so far 17.52.39 # What is FTL? 17.53.25 # I guess Flash Translation Layer? 17.53.31 # Not sure though 17.54.14 # Yep, it is it. 17.59.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.03.11 # Szczepancio: And I don't know if you already noticed it, but the battery life has been improved with the November, 30th build. On E360 it is now 20hrs instead of 10hrs. 18.06.38 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18.15.18 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 18.17.20 # lebellium: Interesing. 18.18.47 # lebellium: On E370 is the same? 18.19.22 Join TheSzczepancio [0] (~Patryk@acft44.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 18.19.33 # Sorry for logout. Disconnect by peer. 18.19.38 # brb 18.19.40 Quit TheSzczepancio (Client Quit) 18.19.45 # yes it should be the same 18.19.55 Join TheSzczepancio [0] (~Patryk@acft44.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 18.20.06 # Ok, lebellium, can you say - on e370 is the same? 18.21.23 # yes 18.23.10 Quit Szczepancio (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 18.39.23 # brb 18.39.24 Quit TheSzczepancio (Quit: Leaving) 18.39.58 Join Szczepancio [0] (~Patryk@acft44.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 18.39.59 Join mrkiko [0] (~mrkiko@adsl-ull-56-55.46-151.net24.it) 19.50.08 Join onder`_ [0] (~onder@dyn-dsl-to-76-75-119-170.nexicom.net) 19.51.14 Quit onder` (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 19.51.18 Nick onder`_ is now known as onder` (~onder@dyn-dsl-to-76-75-119-170.nexicom.net) 19.56.14 Quit DexterLB (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.59.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.00.17 Nick DormantBrain is now known as SuperBrainAK (~andy@2001:470:8:a61::5f92:59a1) 20.00.47 Join DexterLB [0] (~dex@46.10.141.225) 20.03.06 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 20.26.13 # The E470 is linux based so completely different, and no I haven't made progress on the keymaps, I didn't have much time and spent it on more useful stuff 20.33.04 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@ip70-178-52-92.ks.ks.cox.net) 20.33.04 Quit cmhobbs (Changing host) 20.33.04 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 20.46.49 # I need to build a usb current measurement tool to hunt this battery life problem 20.47.20 # on NWZ? 20.48.28 Join thegeek [0] (~thegeek@105.11.9.46.customer.cdi.no) 20.49.12 # yes 20.51.34 Quit mrkiko (Read error: Operation timed out) 20.54.24 # pamaury: you mean a current meter and a USB cable? 20.54.47 # heh, banning tiolan.net from the forums blocked 893 spammers in the last few days 20.54.48 # something like this yeah, I hope it's sufficiently precise 20.55.00 # any advise ? 20.55.08 # i think a normal DMM should be fine 20.55.11 # they are quite cheap 20.55.37 # it will only give you the time averaged power wiht maybe 1 second resolution, but that should be fine 20.56.16 # for a little more, you can also buy banna plugs that fit into the DMM, and then solder the other end into a cheap USB extension cable 20.56.33 # maybe 20-30 USD total 20.56.49 # DMM ? 20.56.57 # digital multi meter 20.57.00 # <[Saint]> It seems like it'd be easier to hack up a cable and use a multimeter. 20.57.01 # ah ^^ 20.57.19 # <[Saint]> or, I could look up what DMM is... ;) 20.57.59 # * [Saint] admits to never having heard it referred to in that way before 20.58.49 # first I need to find a culprit cable and cut it ^^ 20.59.47 # in the USA, amazon has them for a dollar or two 20.59.54 # i would order both together 21.00.15 # DMM + 1m USB extension cable + banana plugs 21.00.18 # <[Saint]> Whoah, expensive. 21.00.48 # <[Saint]> I can make up cables for about $0.80NZD/m 21.01.07 # <[Saint]> but I guess it depends what your time and effort is worth too... 21.01.16 # alternatively, if you an ADC of some kind that is DC coupled you can make your own 21.04.38 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 21.04.55 # http://www.amazon.com/Mastech-MS8268-Digital-Manual-Multimeter/dp/B0050LVFS0 21.05.00 # bit more expensive but well rated 21.11.00 # cheaper and highly rated: http://www.amazon.com/INNOVA-3300-Hands-free-Digital-Multimeter/dp/B001O1X65A/ref=pd_sbs_indust_2#productDetails 21.14.40 Join onder`_ [0] (~onder@dyn-dsl-to-76-75-119-170.nexicom.net) 21.16.10 Quit onder` (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21.16.14 Nick onder`_ is now known as onder` (~onder@dyn-dsl-to-76-75-119-170.nexicom.net) 21.16.34 # found my old opus profile results from last year: http://pastie.org/4908106 21.16.42 Quit y4n (Quit: coob ov vood?) 21.16.52 # * pamaury does not know what DC coupled mean 21.17.17 # <[Saint]> saratoga: is there anything interesting to cram back into our sources from Opus? 21.17.29 # <[Saint]> Or is it mostly needless (to us) cruft? 21.17.39 # pamaury: able to measure a DC voltage 21.17.58 # most audio ADCs have a capacitor, so they can only measure 20Hz and up 21.18.39 # [Saint]: i don't know, but the tests I did before suggests something like 70% of the runtime was just hte transform step, and it doesn't look liek much has changed there 21.21.43 # saratoga: does a circuit with a resistor in series with vddd and an adc to measure the voltage drop accross with provides reliable measurements ? 21.21.59 # <[Saint]> I have played with it briefly on the raspi, but, the analogue out on it is just *sooooo* shit. 21.22.17 # pamaury: yes, although the votlage drop will be relatively small so you might need an opamp too 21.22.29 # <[Saint]> And its too much effort to swap around the inputs on my amp. 21.22.44 # although i guess if the A/D isn't bad you might be ok 21.23.00 # <[Saint]> HDMI audio is superb, but, the analogue out is awful. Rather sad really. 21.23.06 # the best I have is 12-bit adc on my stellaris board I think 21.23.22 # the voltage drop across the shunt resistor drops the voltage to the player, so you probably don't want to have more than a few hundred millivolts to measure 21.23.57 # sure 21.24.06 Join eyfour [0] (~eyfour@176.76.202.84.customer.cdi.no) 21.24.14 Part eyfour 21.24.48 # the simplest method still is the digital multimeter one, I have one somewhere of relatively good quality 21.24.55 # this board? http://users.ece.utexas.edu/~valvano/EE345M/LM3S8962_ADC.pdf 21.25.32 # yes, I think so 21.26.30 Quit mortalis (Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) 21.26.45 # that looks like it'd probably work if you picked the shunt resistor right 21.26.51 # i'd use a DMM though 21.26.57 # no reason not to 21.27.05 # unless you want higher time resolution for some reason 21.28.34 # I'll try and see, thanks 21.29.03 Quit n1s (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21.30.02 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 21.30.21 # fwiw, i used a < 100 USD DMM recently at work for measuring power to an AC motor running at KHz with just a few mA of current and it worked quite well 21.30.45 # for what you are doing the currents will be large and slowly varying, so the measurement will not be very demanding of the hardware 21.33.35 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 21.39.22 Join mortalis [0] (~mortalis@77.108.98.176) 21.47.20 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 5b5f075, 243 builds, 35 clients. 21.51.47 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 267 seconds. 21.55.02 Join saratoga_ [0] (123e1e4c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.62.30.76) 21.57.27 # bluebrother: is there any reason we couldn't do an rbutil release soon? Its been a while since there was a stable and your current development builds are a large improvement over the current release 21.59.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.10.22 # <[Saint]> saratoga_: ...any chance of getting the button pushed on g#626 you think? 22.10.24 # 3Gerrit review #626 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/626 : 3DSP Compressor: Sidechain, Exponential Atk/Rls by Ryan Billing (changes/26/626/4) 22.10.48 # i was hoping i wouldn't have to do it because if it breaks something i can never figure out how to fix with git 22.11.07 # <[Saint]> Ah. 22.11.25 # i guess i can 22.11.36 # have you compiled it recently? 22.12.44 # pamaury: Just interested, what distro of Linux you are using for developing? 22.12.56 # <[Saint]> saratoga_: I have, yes. 22.13.06 # no wanrings or conflicts? 22.13.38 # <[Saint]> I'll re-check, better safe than sorry. 22.14.28 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@g231123042.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.14.29 Quit bluebrother^ (Changing host) 22.14.29 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 22.14.29 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 22.17.37 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 22.19.56 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g231123042.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.20.33 # <[Saint]> I built a variety of targets (which took ages for some reason), all is well in the world. 22.20.52 # <[Saint]> Apologies for the delay, there is unusually high CPU/IO usage on my server. 22.21.30 # I remember someone said some time ago the new compressor made playback laggy on his player but I can't find the logs :( 22.22.05 Quit onder` (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.22.06 # <[Saint]> I'm guessing that would be on PP, and almost certainly with a lot of other stupid settings applied. 22.22.52 # yeah the benchmarks look quite good, less than 3 MHz speed hit on PP 22.23.03 # thats basically nothing 22.23.44 # ok i'll push the button on this 22.24.09 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision d0918b9, 243 builds, 35 clients. 22.24.13 Join onder` [0] (~onder@dyn-dsl-to-76-75-119-170.nexicom.net) 22.24.18 # <[Saint]> This one was really one I was hoping you'd be around for. 22.24.27 # <[Saint]> You do seem to be "codec guy", after all. 22.25.00 # <[Saint]> ...which is probably why it sat there for so long, few willing to touch it in case it unleashed demons. 22.26.13 # i actually only do the codecs, the DSP is completely separate 22.26.19 # jhmikes is the DSP expert 22.26.34 # * [Saint] makes notes 22.26.52 # <[Saint]> I have a "people to bug about <>" list. :) 22.27.38 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 209 seconds. 22.27.48 # <[Saint]> I haven't seen JhMikes around for a while. 22.28.11 # <[Saint]> Last I saw of him he dropped a *massive* FAT rework on gerrit and basically disappeared. 22.28.31 # <[Saint]> I really should get that compiling again. 22.28.49 # he comes and goes, usually with a gigantic patch 22.28.57 # been doing that since before i was here 22.29.14 # of course now that I commit i notice this: "Max number of samples to delay 960 output (960 = 5ms @ 192 kHz)" 22.29.17 # <[Saint]> In my experience, that seems to be the guy's style. A bit of a lone wolf. Come in, drop a massive rework on us, and disappear quietly until next time. 22.30.20 # ah no, the comment is misleading, much larger delays are allowed 22.30.44 # <[Saint]> where are we? 22.30.48 # <[Saint]> Oh. Ah. yes. 22.31.07 # [Saint]: can you try the compressor with the maximum attack time? 22.31.18 # and the sample rate set to 48khz 22.31.53 # 48khz times 30 milliseconds is 1440 samples, but the buffer is less than that 22.32.21 Join lorenzo92 [0] (~chatzilla@host7-104-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) 22.32.56 # ah theres a check for this case, so it simply caps you at the maximum delay allowed for your sampling rate 22.34.16 # <[Saint]> There's a tiny bit of initial lag in the fallback (due to the peak meters I believe), but, all is well. 22.34.37 # <[Saint]> 48kHz content, -3dB threshold, maximum attack time. 22.34.57 # <[Saint]> (320mp3 CBR) 22.35.06 # <[Saint]> ...on PP. 22.35.36 # the buffer is only long enough for 21 milliseconds of history at 44.1k, i wonder why the setting goes to 30 ms 22.36.09 # <[Saint]> SO, do we increase the allowable buffer, or decrease the allowable attack time? 22.37.15 # * [Saint] apologizes for not catching this 22.37.28 # <[Saint]> I have a massive case of the guilts right now. 22.38.04 # <[Saint]> ...but, if JhMikes didn't, I guess I can rest a bit easier. 22.38.27 # i'm not sure 22.38.54 # i think it actually does change things if you set the delay longer than the buffer 22.39.07 # i don't fully understand the algorithm here 22.39.08 # [Saint] saratoga http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20131120 look for "Narod" 22.39.51 # i'm tempted to cap the compressor at 25 milliseconds just because it'll be less unpredictable 22.40.23 # <[Saint]> lebellium: Hmmmm...odd. 22.40.49 # <[Saint]> I can't speak for that user, but, I can say that I am currently testing one of the worst possible cases for this, and, its absolutely fine here. 22.41.17 # yeah i think it works fine, i just suspect that 25 and 30 ms do essentially the same thing 22.41.45 # actually the buffer is exactly 20 ms at 48k, so that might be a sensible maximum 22.41.46 # <[Saint]> compressor+3 bands of EQ with 48kHz content...on 80MHz PP 22.42.07 # <[Saint]> I would expect that to show any failure cases or lag, were it going to. 22.42.57 # in this case it doesn't fail, the code checks for out of bounds, its just misleading since it'll adjust the gain but not actually look further than abotu 20-22 ms 22.43.06 # not sure how that sounds 22.43.29 # <[Saint]> If that's the case, then we should cap the attack lookahead. 22.44.00 # <[Saint]> Well...that's my feeling, but if you have a better solution. 22.44.59 Quit mortalis (Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) 22.45.48 Join itoikenza_ [0] (42575188@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.87.81.136) 22.45.56 # <[Saint]> Its a nice feature, and I think it agreeable that it is wanted, but I also believe that if it is misleading any any way or form as to its abilities that should be addressed. 22.46.22 # <[Saint]> Again, I apologize for not catching this myself. 22.46.40 # <[Saint]> I only checked it functioned and the code was sound, not that all the math made sense. 22.47.34 Quit Szczepancio (Quit: Leaving) 22.50.58 # <[Saint]> lebellium: there's also a high chance that user's issues were caused by the current state of the target used 22.51.29 # <[Saint]> At this stage now I wouldn't expect the 360 to be anywhere near perfect. Let alone then. 22.51.40 # [Saint]: well, I have the E360 myself so I could try and confirm or not what the user says. But I don't even know what a DSP compressor is for :D 22.52.27 # <[Saint]> It would've been helpful to grab his config.cfg to look at, but, nevermind. 22.52.34 Quit K1773R (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 22.52.48 # I'll have a look on my E360 tonight or tomorrow and I'll let you know 22.52.55 # <[Saint]> At this stage I'm just going to believe it was a target specific anomaly. 22.54.11 # <[Saint]> I have a few PP targets to test on here, and they certainly _should_ show these types of issues, were they going to happen. There's very little room for DSP effects on these targets. 22.54.46 # [Saint] even though it's a new port, it's close to Fuze+ with a STMP3780 so I don't see why there would be any issue on NWZ 22.55.04 # what is the issue here ? 22.55.14 # see my link above pamaury 22.55.49 Quit markun (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.56.01 # <[Saint]> 15:09 Narod Oh, now that I see the e360 being mentioned: The new compressor seems to cause a few issues on the e360. 22.56.01 # <[Saint]> 15:10 Narod I pulled the current repo and applied the patch and it built successfully. But after a couple of songs the audio playback starts skipping (plays 1 - 2 seconds, then pauses for another 2 seconds) and the device becomes unresponsive until I reset it. 22.56.37 Join markun [0] (~markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 22.58.28 Join K1773R [0] (~K1773R@unaffiliated/k1773r) 22.59.09 # <[Saint]> By my understanding, the 360/70 is a fairly capale target, no? 22.59.13 # <[Saint]> HW-wise. 22.59.34 # <[Saint]> At least comparable or better than the PP iPods? 23.00.13 # <[Saint]> (With DSP related stuff, I like to test on PP as there's such little "wiggle room" there) 23.00.26 # yeah it's very powerful 23.00.54 # <[Saint]> Right. So that makes very little sense. 23.00.56 # <[Saint]> Hmmm. 23.01.35 # 450MHz armv5 23.02.21 # <[Saint]> If we start getting a bunch of complaints, I guess we'll know. But I suspect there's going to be few cases that can compete with PP using compressor and EQ with 48KHz content. 23.02.46 # <[Saint]> And if that does happen, I would question the sanity of the user's config. 23.03.40 # <[Saint]> 450MHz? Aha...so, just a /tiny/ bit more powerful than the PP iPods then? ;) 23.04.13 # everything is more powerful than the ipods 23.04.29 # arm7 is almost as old as i am 23.09.30 # <[Saint]> Wait...wha? 23.09.39 # <[Saint]> Wasn't it like, '94 or so? 23.09.53 # ah yeah, was thinking 1990 for some reason 23.09.59 # but yeah, almost 20 years old 23.10.13 # <[Saint]> Came in with the Risc PC, iirc. 23.10.19 Part itoikenza_ 23.10.39 # <[Saint]> well...came in to popularity. 23.10.42 # <[Saint]> (somewhat) 23.20.30 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 23.20.30 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 23.20.30 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 23.26.34 Quit lorenzo92 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131206145143]) 23.27.07 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 23.46.36 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.47.09 # hum on my E360 I see: Threshold: Makeup Gain, Ratio, Knee, Attack Time, Release Time. The commit comment says "sidechain filtering" and "look-ahead". Where's that? (yes, I don't understand anything about the compressor, sorry :S ) 23.51.51 # ah ok 23.51.57 # those are not settings 23.52.00 # but "features"