--- Log for 23.01.114 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 22 hours and 11 minutes ago 00.00.33 # if he was talking about the Fuze then it even built and I checked (that was before the second build round today). He was either looking at e.g. a Clip build or his browser did some friendly caching for him or some such 00.01.51 # <[Saint]> It seems to be that he is expecting us to upload failed binaries to the public. 00.02.05 # <[Saint]> ...but, I have long since given up trying to make too much sense out ot if. 00.05.36 # pixelma: "if he was talking about the Fuze" I said I was talking about the Fuze. "He was either looking at e.g. a Clip build" Was that behind, then? 00.05.44 Nick AlexP_ is now known as AlexP (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 00.05.48 # " or his browser did some friendly caching for him" This browser (Chrome) does not cache downloads. 00.06.43 # you can see what failed to build from the build table 00.06.44 # <[Saint]> This entire conversation has been totally irrelevant since you were told exactly why this happens. 00.06.53 # <[Saint]> We don;t upload failed builds. WHy should we? 00.06.54 # As has been pointed out many many times 00.09.09 # yes, it was "behind" in the sense of "the code change made the build fail and instead of breaking the download completely the system kept offering the last version that built properly". The failure was fixed shortly after, all builds were remade and all the ones that were successful are now offered as dev build... 00.09.40 # Thanks for the confirmation. 00.10.04 # <[Saint]> What was wrong with being told this ages ago? 00.10.13 # <[Saint]> Prior to your wee forum quest? 00.10.30 # to be confirmed properly I always require to be told six times 00.10.41 # [Saint]: chrisjj_ is just out to annoy us. He doesn't actually care about anything else 00.17.16 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.17.50 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-193-180.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 00.20.25 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0/20140120132616]) 00.24.49 # ah no, I've been tricked... to clarify: from what I did see, the Fuze build was *not * "behind" at that time. And by the way, it's called development builds for a reason. That's all I want to say for now and on that matter. Period. 00.33.50 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@2602:306:bce1:8c20:225:d3ff:fed6:15a) 00.38.20 Quit Strife89|AndChat (Quit: Vamoose!) 00.57.49 Join scorche|sh [0] (~scorche@squisch.net) 00.57.49 Quit scorche|sh (Changing host) 00.57.49 Join scorche|sh [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 00.59.03 Quit ender` (Quit: Never memorize anything you can look up in a book. -- Albert Einstein) 01.00.08 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 01.03.18 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 01.06.02 # FYI: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12945 01.07.27 # <[Saint]> Oh for fucks sake... 01.09.10 # [Saint]: You may be uninterested in build system bugs, but please do not assume everyone else is. 01.09.22 # <[Saint]> Gah. That sucks. Git just had a major spaz and trashed my working folder. Yay! 01.09.36 # <[Saint]> chrisjj_: you may be so self important to think that everything is about you, but...it isn;t. 01.10.15 # This bug report is about Rockbox, not me. 01.10.39 # <[Saint]> I have no fucking idea why you are addressing me here. 01.11.02 # <[Saint]> What I just said has absolutely nothing to do with you. 01.11.27 # Can the profanity, please. 01.11.36 # <[Saint]> Go fuck yourself. 01.13.13 Join saratoga [0] (123e11e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.62.17.224) 01.21.10 # saratoga: Why "not a bug"? The build ID is plain wrong. 01.22.04 # its the most recent build 01.22.37 # <[Saint]> As painful as it is for me to say it, for once, he's right. 01.24.03 # <[Saint]> advertised build ID and rockbox-info.txt disagree with each other for this target. 01.24.50 # oh? 01.24.54 # let me double check 01.25.58 # 87c6df9-131213 in build info, isn't that what the website says? 01.26.44 # <[Saint]> "latest (6022d31)" 01.27.33 # * [Saint] points out, if it was missed, that the archived dev build page is being referenced here 01.27.42 # ohhh 01.27.47 # that makes more sense 01.28.20 # i didn't realize we still did daily builds 01.31.03 # i can reopen this, but i think things like this should probably just be reported in IRC since no one is going to care about a bug report 01.31.33 # <[Saint]> At least it didn;t end up in the forums this time. 01.31.39 # or ideally just fix it yourself 01.32.29 # saratoga: No, the build ID given is not the most recent build. Do please check it yourself. 01.32.58 # what do you mean? 01.33.13 # Have a look. You'll see what I mean. 01.33.40 # <[Saint]> He did. Hence it being reopened. 01.33.41 # Compare the build ID on the page with the build ID in the download. 01.33.53 # <[Saint]> We're past this...just, shhh now. 01.34.22 # yeah, check the logs 01.35.42 # "if it was missed, that the archived dev build page is being referenced here" The report clearly says "Archived" "and links to the page. 01.36.40 Mode "#rockbox +o [Saint]" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 01.37.34 Mode "#rockbox -o [Saint]" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 01.49.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.49.38 Quit alucryd (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 01.54.00 Join alucryd [0] (~alucryd@archlinux/trusteduser/alucryd) 01.56.03 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Vamoose!) 02.10.09 Nick DormantBrain is now known as SuperBrainAK (~andy@2001:470:8:a61::5f92:59a1) 02.38.40 Join mt [0] (~quassel@cpe-24-165-191-253.neo.res.rr.com) 03.35.01 Quit dfkt (Quit: -= SysReset 2.55=- Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.) 03.49.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.50.27 Quit chrisjj_ (Quit: Page closed) 04.36.17 Join chrisjj [0] (561bb732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.27.183.50) 04.38.01 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.38.01 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.38.03 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.38.07 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.38.07 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.38.12 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.38.40 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 05.27.58 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05.46.49 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 05.47.03 Join [7] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.49.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.56.26 Quit mt (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06.31.54 Quit Cultist (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06.32.45 Join Cultist [0] (~CultOfThe@c-67-186-111-33.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 06.45.03 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 06.59.02 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 07.13.56 Quit [Saint] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07.16.02 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) 07.48.16 Join fragilematter [0] (~fragilema@unaffiliated/fragilematter) 07.49.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.54.33 Join mortalis [0] (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 08.23.10 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.24.22 Quit linuxguy3 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08.33.02 Join LinusN [0] (linus@giant.haxx.se) 08.34.07 Quit scorche (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 08.35.31 Quit krnlyng (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 08.41.55 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 08.47.07 Join pedro_angelo [0] (~pedro_ang@187-15-190-138.user.veloxzone.com.br) 08.57.37 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@80.239.169.203) 08.57.37 Quit Zagor (Changing host) 08.57.37 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.10.27 Quit pedro_angelo (Remote host closed the connection) 09.20.42 Quit advcomp2019 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.21.08 Join advcomp2019 [0] (~advcomp20@65-131-163-145.sxct.qwest.net) 09.21.08 Quit advcomp2019 (Changing host) 09.21.08 Join advcomp2019 [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 09.31.56 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@83.175.90.24) 09.49.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.06.11 Quit krnlyng (*.net *.split) 10.06.11 Quit mortalis (*.net *.split) 10.06.11 Quit Cultist (*.net *.split) 10.06.12 Quit ParkerR (*.net *.split) 10.06.12 Quit habys (*.net *.split) 10.11.18 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@83.175.90.24) 10.11.18 Join mortalis [0] (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 10.11.18 Join Cultist [0] (~CultOfThe@c-67-186-111-33.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 10.11.18 Join ParkerR [0] (~ParkerR@unaffiliated/parkerr) 10.11.29 Join habys [0] (~luke@arikui.org) 10.13.46 Quit habys (*.net *.split) 10.13.47 Quit krnlyng (*.net *.split) 10.13.47 Quit mortalis (*.net *.split) 10.13.47 Quit Cultist (*.net *.split) 10.13.47 Quit ParkerR (*.net *.split) 10.14.11 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@83.175.90.24) 10.14.11 Quit [Saint] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.14.31 Join mortalis [0] (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 10.14.33 Join Cultist [0] (~CultOfThe@c-67-186-111-33.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 10.16.19 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) 10.21.00 Quit ps-auxw (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 10.21.53 Join ps-auxw [0] (~arneb@2001:470:c807:0:1532:4e5f:2ad3:4123) 10.22.41 Quit Zagor (Remote host closed the connection) 10.24.24 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@80.239.169.203) 10.24.27 Quit Zagor (Changing host) 10.24.27 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 10.33.59 # [Saint]: are you missing logs again? 10.34.11 # 00:06:03 UTC FYI: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12945 10.34.11 # 00:07:28 UTC <[Saint]> Oh for fucks sake... 10.34.11 # 00:09:11 UTC [Saint]: You may be uninterested in build system bugs, but please do not assume everyone else is. 10.34.55 # chrisjj linked to a bug that you guys were discussing, then you immediately said "oh ffs", then nearly 2 minutes go by 10.35.08 # of course he thought you were talking to him 10.35.31 # who wouldn't have thought that? 10.36.28 # a bug that you guys had been discussing earlier* 10.37.36 # if your IRC client is deceiving you again, please switch to a proper one, because it's making you aggressive 10.38.41 # for reference: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20140123 10.40.31 Join ParkerR [0] (ParkerR@withg.org) 10.41.12 Quit ParkerR (Changing host) 10.41.12 Join ParkerR [0] (ParkerR@unaffiliated/parkerr) 10.41.49 Nick SuperBrainAK is now known as DormantBrain (~andy@2001:470:8:a61::5f92:59a1) 10.42.52 # not to mention that chrisjj turned out to be right… 10.43.57 # also: 10.43.59 # i can reopen this, but i think things like this should probably just be reported in IRC since no one is going to care about a bug report 10.44.35 # when we report bugs on IRC, we're told to file a bug report 10.44.56 # when we file a bug report, we're told to report it here or on the mailing list? 10.46.14 # it seems to me that bug reports aren't taken seriously on IRC without a proper flyspray entry, unless we're lucky enough that someone here decides to look into it immediately 10.49.35 # and it's a lot more convenient to later refer to a bug report, if it hasn't been fixed immediately 10.50.45 # * gevaerts agrees with that bit 10.51.26 # We want bug reports for all bugs, and we want one bug report per bug, i.e. please no flyspray tasks with "All issues related to X" (I know some people disagree with that) 10.52.01 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 10.52.07 # Zagor: can you have a look at FS#12945 one of these days? Looks like the daily build archiving script makes some assumptions it shouldn't make 10.52.08 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12945 3Daily Builds Archived page "latest" line's build ID can be incorrect (bugs, unconfirmed) 10.53.15 # Zagor: maybe also add a category for the website stuff in flyspray 10.55.04 # gevaerts: could you test on your H100 if current build hang on boot? 10.55.46 # wodz: if you can, remind me tonight. I'll try to remember that long, but... :) 10.56.22 # gevaerts: Ok, I'll try to remember too 10.58.42 # Zagor: looks like it might be rather tricky to fix that, so maybe dropping those daily builds would be the easiest solution :) 10.59.24 # gevaerts: BTW. I remember we had an issue with rombox 11.00.00 # yeah, it's a very simple logic so making it correct isn't trivial 11.00.08 # I mean some time ago something changed and rombox failed to load properly IIRC because of some config changes or something 11.00.35 # gevaerts: AFAIK you fixed this or found out the workaround - do you remember the details? 11.05.44 # dropping daily builds isn't nice if there is a problem that with a bug that causes freezes which goes on for a few days. That happened before and then it was good to be able to point people to a working build 11.08.35 # speaking of freezes. Did someone try to use current builds on an X5 lately with voice enabled? I got an "stkov voice" last week with wodz' test build after enabling some voice features (voice file present, some talk clips and enabling spelling as fallback) and have the feeling that there may be a lack of headroom for voice on those targets recently 11.09.52 # pixelma: my change is irrelevant (well, read as should be) - it is not changing stack sizes 11.10.38 # pixelma: besides coldfires are 16MB+ targets 11.10.47 # I guessed so, I just added that to point out that it was a fairly recent build 11.12.44 # wodz: that was FS#12769 I think, and I have a vague recollection the HAVE_EEPROM_SETTINGS bit in dircache.c was involved 11.12.45 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12769 3rb 3.12 - iriver H140 bootloader crash: 1st boot fails, Reset pin, 2nd boot Successful. Repeatable. (bugs, unconfirmed) 11.13.07 # we really, really lack testing campaign on regular intervals 11.15.03 # gevaerts: yes that is exactly what the guy reported quite recently 11.33.34 Join habys [0] (~luke@50.73.79.113) 11.47.52 Join Rower [0] (~husvagn@90-230-142-55-no41.tbcn.telia.com) 11.49.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.07.39 Quit Rower (Quit: Hmmm...) 12.14.17 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 12.56.47 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 13.16.04 Join mt [0] (~quassel@cpe-24-165-191-253.neo.res.rr.com) 13.25.56 Join thomas_sch [0] (~blacklotu@victoria.chaox.net) 13.26.32 # I have a sansa clip zip with rockbox installed on it,but I'm missing the battery menu.Do I have to compile it from source? 13.31.41 # Where are you missing a menu? I can't think of a battery menu right away 13.32.17 # debug -> view battery? 13.36.28 # I read that there is a menu where I could set that rockbox doesn't load when a usb cable is connected 13.36.49 # There isn't 13.37.48 # ok thank you :) 13.37.56 Part thomas_sch ("WeeChat 0.4.1") 13.40.50 Quit ikeboy (Quit: ikeboy) 13.49.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.50.44 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 13.59.10 Quit mortalis (Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) 14.35.01 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 14.41.13 Part LinusN 14.44.51 # Zagor: "yeah, it's a very simple logic so making it correct isn't trivial". Alternatively remove the build ID. 14.58.53 # copper: "when we file a bug report, we're told to report it here or on the mailing list?" We're told to report on FlySpray - by a project rule here: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/FlySprayHowto 14.59.15 # we're told many things 15.00.58 # I guess you have to choose by whom you allow yourself to be told :) 15.02.02 # not really 15.02.13 # you need to do whatever is needed to get anyone to care 15.04.02 # Your choice, but IME that way lies anarchy. 15.05.32 # copper, BTW "chrisjj linked to a bug that you guys were discussing" Actually no. The issue under discussion was the one I raised in the forum, from which one of those same guys promptly deleted it. 15.07.03 # The bug I linked to was a different one, which then was merely closed as "Not a bug". Now reopened. 15.08.11 Quit michaelni (Read error: Connection timed out) 15.09.00 Join michaelni [0] (~michael@chello084114129144.4.15.vie.surfer.at) 15.10.48 # chrisjj: part of the problem was your description of the problem. I took me quite some time to understand what the issue actually is 15.14.54 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 15.27.08 # Thanks for the feedback. I'd like to learn to describe for better understandability for you (and others who did read the word Archive). How do you suggest the description http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12945 could have been better? 15.37.01 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! 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I tried to reinstall the firmware and rockbox 2 times and it still shows up. I still have access to the original software though. 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