--- Log for 27.01.114 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 22 hours ago 00.01.43 Quit pamaury (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.02.16 # [Saint]: most code hasnt been adapted yet 00.02.24 # <[Saint]> awwww. 00.02.34 # <[Saint]> Humpf. 00.04.29 # <[0xAF]> just finished dumping the disk ... seems ok 00.05.32 Quit Rower (Quit: Hmmm...) 00.08.21 # <[0xAF]> hmm binary did not change it's size after enabling this debug 00.12.21 # <[0xAF]> one thing i notice... RB shuts down the HDD quite often (small timeout, it's set to 5secs)... so there is a delay when browsing folders or opening files .... because it needs to power-up the HDD (i can hear it) 00.12.37 # <[0xAF]> the fallback image is not doing it this way ... probably the timeout for the HDD is larger 00.12.53 # <[0xAF]> another stupid thing is that it does not crash now ... 00.12.59 # <[Saint]> It shouldn't be. 00.13.16 # <[Saint]> Also, it shouldn;t need to spin up for directory browsing at all. 00.13.26 # <[Saint]> dircache should be enabled by default 00.13.40 # <[Saint]> So the directory structure shoudl all be cached in RAM. 00.14.02 # <[0xAF]> i saw few dirs that took ~1 sec to enter ... 00.14.13 # <[0xAF]> but I could be wrong 00.14.26 # <[Saint]> Is there a ridiculous amount of files in them? 00.14.39 # <[Saint]> (subdirectories don't matter) 00.15.29 Join SuperBrainAK [0] (~andy@2001:470:8:a61::5f92:59a1) 00.15.30 # <[0xAF]> dircache is not working ... i browse folders with 10-15 files/subfolders ... and i can hear the disk spin-up 00.15.35 # <[0xAF]> takes 1 sec to enter the dir 00.15.43 # <[Saint]> It might need to spin up if the amount of files in a single directory (not including its subdirectories) is greater than the limit specified. 00.16.05 # <[0xAF]> havent touched the limits 00.16.06 # <[Saint]> But I think the default is rather high. 00.16.27 # <[Saint]> So unless you literally have thousands of files in a single directory, I doubt this would be the issue. 00.16.33 # <[0xAF]> spin-up the disk for a folder with 1 file and 3 subfolders 00.16.53 # <[Saint]> Hmmmm. 00.17.23 # <[0xAF]> hold on to disconnect and check the settings ... or reaply them ?!? 00.17.41 # <[Saint]> I haven't used a HDD based target in ages (well, I use targets that are intended to be HDD based, but they are all SSD or CF converted). 00.17.58 # <[0xAF]> strange it didnt crashed now ... 00.18.07 # <[Saint]> So I'm not 100% sure I'm remembering how dircache should behave correctly. 00.18.16 # <[0xAF]> interesting ... can i put SSD or CF in the iPod ? 00.18.41 # <[0xAF]> isn't dircache for RB itself, not for external mounting ? 00.19.09 # <[0xAF]> hmm after disconnecting the device, i cant move in the menu again 00.19.16 # <[Saint]> Ohhhhh - derp. YEs. Sorry. I thought you were referring to browsing on the device, using Rockbox. 00.19.40 # <[0xAF]> now i can, sorry... should have been the touch-dial (or whatever it's called) 00.21.02 # <[Saint]> The iPods have a bug where sometimes you can't move around in the menus or use the select key until after scrolling on the wheel. 00.21.17 # <[0xAF]> i think the DEBUG flag that i set is not working ... the binary was the same size and i see no debug file around ... 00.21.46 # <[0xAF]> [Saint]: yeah... i think i noticed that bug few times 00.22.08 # <[Saint]> It is possible that merely enabling log-to-disk is only a small piece of the puzzle. 00.22.14 # <[Saint]> It is entirely foreign to me. 00.22.28 # <[0xAF]> ok, i will try to reprodice the problem first 00.22.34 # <[0xAF]> dunno why it's working now ... 00.22.43 # <[Saint]> It may be that logging needs to be enabled in the various subsystems as well. 00.23.28 # <[0xAF]> i will try to get the default behaviour of the usb mouting back ... since i've inverted the detection of the button 00.27.03 # <[0xAF]> hmm no problems again 00.30.30 Quit K1773R (Read error: Operation timed out) 00.31.24 # <[0xAF]> [Saint]: thanks for the support and the hints, i'm gonna get some sleep now. 00.31.31 # <[Saint]> o/ 00.32.02 Quit [0xAF] (Quit: leaving) 00.38.29 Join K1773R [0] (~K1773R@unaffiliated/k1773r) 00.52.20 Quit ender` (Quit: I think computer viruses should count as life. I think it says something about human nature that the only form of life we have created so far is purely destructive. We've created life in our own image. -- Stephen Hawking) 01.20.23 Quit kugel (Read error: Operation timed out) 01.51.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.15.03 Join Jinxor [0] (~Jinx@108.222.213.232) 02.25.56 Quit stripwax (Quit: Miranda IM! 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That would be a lot easier 09.42.25 # indeed 09.42.29 # I'll check 09.42.48 # it would be nice to know what is inside this device though 09.42.49 Quit olspookishmagus (Read error: Operation timed out) 09.42.57 Join olspookishmagus [0] (~pookie@snf-137798.vm.okeanos.grnet.gr) 09.43.03 Quit K1773R (Read error: Operation timed out) 09.43.20 Nick olspookishmagus is now known as Guest74200 (~pookie@snf-137798.vm.okeanos.grnet.gr) 09.43.45 Quit yosafbridge (Read error: Operation timed out) 09.43.56 # Well there is only one thing on i2c I don't have a clue about. Codec and lcd controller are known 09.43.58 Join K1773R [0] (~K1773R@unaffiliated/k1773r) 09.44.18 Join yosafbridge [0] (~yosafbrid@li125-242.members.linode.com) 09.51.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.05.02 Quit zoktar (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 10.07.03 Quit Airwave (Read error: Operation timed out) 10.10.59 Join Airwave [0] (~Airwave@94.246.37.45) 10.15.05 Join zoktar [0] (~zoktar@78-72-44-158-no186.tbcn.telia.com) 10.15.05 Quit zoktar (Changing host) 10.15.05 Join zoktar [0] (~zoktar@unaffiliated/zoktar) 10.18.05 Join b0hoon [0] (3e57b852@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.87.184.82) 10.20.38 # bluebrother, gevaerts: Hi, maybe something like this would be helpful -> http://filebin.ca/1AG4UzF6dBlc/Ipod6g.svg 10.20.39 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 10.22.06 # Looks decent! 10.22.48 # * gevaerts reminds people that svgs live in manual/rockbox_interface/images :) 10.23.51 # gevaerts: I know I was supposed to remind you but did you test iriver h100? 10.23.58 # gevaerts: It's a remake of the ipod video, you can use it if you like it. 10.24.06 # wodz: oops, sorry... 10.24.19 # * gevaerts will try to remember tonight 10.26.02 # or i will add it to the trunk, but later... 10.27.01 # now i must go back to thw work 10.27.25 Part b0hoon 10.35.22 Quit alucryd (Quit: Alucryd out.) 10.35.52 Join alucryd [0] (~alucryd@archlinux/trusteduser/alucryd) 10.54.34 # kugel: hwcodec has had some mechanism to deal with voice files in chunks for a long time, IIRC 10.55.02 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 10.58.23 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.01.17 Join Raptors [0] (~whoneedsa@216-58-33-234.cpe.distributel.net) 11.02.48 # pixelma: what are you refering to? 11.05.44 # "on hwcodec the voice files might be so large that they don't fit the RAM [..] good thing is that my talk rework makes this easy to deal with" 11.08.19 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 11.14.30 Join maruk1 [0] (~papier@titanium.v6.sdv.fr) 11.20.55 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.26.06 Quit einhirn (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 11.27.17 # pixelma: and how is that related? 11.28.18 # on hwcodec the file is still loaded as a whole (except on ondio). there is no mechanism for when the voice doesnt fit 11.33.24 # well, I knew Ondios can deal with too large voice files already and thought the others could do too 11.33.50 # too large to fit in RAM 11.46.06 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@80.239.169.203) 11.46.06 Quit Zagor (Changing host) 11.46.06 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 11.51.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.15.04 Quit Raptors (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.15.25 Join Raptors [0] (~whoneedsa@216-58-33-234.cpe.distributel.net) 12.16.28 Join mt [0] (~quassel@cpe-24-165-191-253.neo.res.rr.com) 12.44.43 Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@rockbox/developer/stripwax) 12.52.29 Quit wodz (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.02.03 Quit Zagor (Quit: Clint excited) 13.03.46 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@80.239.169.200) 13.03.46 Quit Zagor (Changing host) 13.03.46 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 13.11.29 Quit stripwax (Quit: Miranda IM! 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Is this intentional? 20.13.46 # I don't know 20.14.46 # Now if only smf settings were easy to find :) 20.15.11 Join cstcyr [0] (d0b1fd4a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.208.177.253.74) 20.15.47 # OK, urls are indeed not enabled 20.16.16 # bluebrother: I could enable urls now, wait for you to change your signature, and change it back, I think 20.16.18 # So it does not seem possible to install Rb on a iPod on OS X 10.9? From what I've read on the web I need to do it on a PC? 20.16.40 # bluebrother: actually, no. I don't want to risk spam links in that time... 20.16.42 # cstcyr: Rockbox Utility also runs on OS X 20.17.00 # gevaerts: ok, then I guess I'll just leave my signature as-is right now. 20.17.14 # More specifically installing the bootloader is impossible. I've used the Rockbox utility and ipodpatcher and both fail because they do not have permission 20.17.17 # bluebrother: I could try changing it for you 20.17.36 # ildarion: here 20.17.42 # cstcyr: do you have Itunes running? 20.17.55 # pamaury: ok 20.18.08 # you need to shut it down completely (the icon must not "glow"), and you might need to first enable disk access to the ipod in itunes 20.19.47 # ildarion: download this https://www.dropbox.com/s/wxcl9hwa4kkiu7s/sbtool.exe 20.20.33 # damn I can't seem to apply disk use without syncing 20.20.48 # ok 20.20.49 # ildarion: and you need a copy of the OF, uncompressed (should be called firmware.sb) 20.21.20 # bluebrother: oh well I guess I'll erase and sync 20.22.02 # ok 20.22.40 # ildarion: ah wait, wrong link sorry ^^ 20.23.19 # https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ls80q3zcxgiwam/sb_loader.exe 20.25.09 # once you have both, plug your device in recovery mode (hold volume up when plugging from power off state, and keep holding volume up for a few seconds) 20.25.42 # cstcyr: I've installed Rockbox using OS X on an Ipod a couple of times, but I'm still using 10.6. Haven't found the time to install 10.9 yet 20.26.08 # so there might be a problem on 10.9 I'm not aware yet. Maybe some gatekeeper thing 20.27.06 # So I'm an RB newb, does RB have access to all the music I synced with iTunes? 20.27.08 # ok 20.28.12 # ildarion: then open a command prompt (run cmd.exe iirc) and run "sb_loader -f firmware.sb" in which you replace "firmware.sb" by the full path to the OF and "sb_loader" by the full path to the tool you downloaded 20.29.17 # cstcyr: Itunes puts your files into a special folder (iPod_Control) and scrambles filenames. Rockbox can access this, but browsing them with the file browser is a bit problematic :) 20.29.38 # you can either use the database (which assumes your files to be tagged correctly) or rename / resync them 20.30.03 # though the latter is something you need to do manually (or use some tool that can perform this for you, of course) 20.31.25 Quit BobJonkman (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 20.32.47 # bluebrother: ok I've enabled disk use, iTunes is closed, neither Rb utility or ipodpatcher can install the bootloader. 20.33.04 # Rb utility can install everything but the boot loader 20.33.49 # and I'm running ipodpatcher as root 20.33.50 # can you post its system trace (Help / Troubleshooting / System Trace) somewhere? Like pastebin.com? 20.34.05 # after a failed attempt of course :) 20.34.27 # sounds like I have to install 10.9 sometime soon :o 20.35.04 # http://pastebin.com/LwFT0xvP 20.36.47 # This is more clearly after a failed attempt of the bootloader 20.36.47 # http://pastebin.com/DeZAPCYG 20.37.14 # pamaury: before "sb_loader -f firmware.sb" i need to put a command ? 20.37.29 # thanks. 20.37.32 # ildarion: did you open a command prompt ? 20.37.48 # ok, nothing the log reveals. Too bad. 20.38.02 # cmd.exe yes 20.38.07 # I guess I have to install 10.9 and debug it. 20.38.08 # I can always do it when I get home on the PC 20.38.14 # Thanks for your help man 20.38.21 # btw, have you tried installing without running it as root? 20.38.32 # at least on 10.6 this isn't necessary. 20.38.42 # I've run Rb as both user and root 20.38.45 # ok 20.38.50 # I've only run ipodpatcher as root 20.39.03 # so I guess Apple changed something to block applications from this kind of accesses. 20.39.24 # which is a bit annoying. Though also kinda understandable. 20.39.59 # yeah changing the bootloader of a USB connected device is pretty hardcore stuff for software to be doing on your system 20.40.12 # ildarion: the simplest way is to first use the "cd" command to move to the directory where you downloaded sb_loader, put firmware.sb in the same directory and then run the command I wrote without any modification 20.40.18 # so as of now I can only tell you to either try to find a machine with 10.6 or use a Windows box. 20.40.45 # For example, "cd Downloads" and then "sb_loader -f firmware.sb" but of course you might have to "cd" to a different directory 20.41.23 Quit cstcyr (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 20.43.42 Join rasec301985 [0] (be4a5e02@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.74.94.2) 20.43.55 # hi guys. I need a little help. i got windows 8, and when i reboot my ipod classic 6g and copy the ubi file in the 64mb disc (ipod) it doesn't show the menu to install rock box. please help! 20.45.53 # pamaury: so, if i write this in cmd: D:\sb_loader.exe -f D:\firmware.sb isn't good ? 20.46.46 # only if you put sb_loader.exe are the root of the D: driver and similarly for firmware.sb 20.46.47 Join BobJonkman [0] (~BobJonkma@206-248-137-186.dsl.teksavvy.com) 20.46.50 # *at the root 20.48.14 # pamaury, can you help me with my problem? 20.48.53 # rasec301985: sorry, I know nothing about the ipods, other people in this channel might like [Saint] ? 20.50.01 # can anybody help me please? :( 20.50.24 # did you "safely eject" the 64 MB storage device? 20.51.22 # ildarion: did you manage to run the command ? 20.51.23 # rasec301985: ^ 20.51.33 # pamaury: yes 20.52.22 # ildarion: what did it do ? if it worked correctly, you fuze+ should be in OF USB mode 20.52.27 # hi copper, can you help me? yes i did... but nothing appears 20.52.45 # sansa should install update right ? 20.53.24 # seem to don't trigger 20.53.28 # if it didn't display an upgrade screen, no it didn't install anything yet. 20.53.37 # so you confirm you have the OF running now ? 20.53.47 # I will try the run again 20.54.03 # rasec301985: what's showing on your iPod's display right now? 20.55.22 # copper: it shows me "please copy a UBI file to the mass storage device and safely eject it when you're done. if you booted this accidentally, just press and hold menu+select to reboot 20.55.48 # copper: and i already copy the ubi file... 20.57.23 # ildarion: your goal is to have the OF running when USB is plugged, you probably won't manage to trigger an update just this way, we need to do more stuff afterwards 20.57.47 # rasec301985: well, did you disconnect the USB cable? 20.58.03 # copper: yes 20.58.14 # the trigger issue is random ? 20.58.29 # copper: and still the screen shows me that message 20.58.50 # rasec301985: then press and hold menu+select to reboot, and try again, I guess 20.59.18 # also, that's a FreeMyIpod problem, not a Rockbox problem 20.59.31 # emCORE* 20.59.53 # http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/Contact 21.00.09 # ildarion: updated is triggered when *not* booting over USB 21.00.12 # copper: ok. let me try again. please don't leave 21.00.41 # ildarion: but since your OF since to not be working (that's what you told me yesterday), we need to proceed differently 21.01.05 # the OF work, i can start on him 21.01.29 # hum, so what is the problem then ? 21.02.21 # when the device is plugged, it is "unknow" by windows 21.02.46 # when i'm lucky 21.02.55 # or just nothing happend 21.03.11 # so i can't install/update 21.03.19 # with rockbox utility 21.04.25 # <[Saint]> Somebody rang? 21.06.53 # ildarion: what does something happen after you run the sb_loader command ? 21.06.58 # does it print something ? 21.06.58 # copper: still the same... 21.07.37 # hi [Saint] can you help me with my problem? 21.07.43 # <[Saint]> rasec301985: Don;t use Windows 8. 21.07.53 # <[Saint]> Thjere's a reason why the instructions don;t mention it at all. 21.08.06 # <[Saint]> In fact, you'd be best to avoid Windows completely. 21.08.17 # [Saint]: ok, why? is uncompatible? 21.08.34 # <[Saint]> We don't know why. 21.08.52 # <[Saint]> In theory, it should be perfectly fine, but theory and reality often don;t meet in the middle. 21.09.13 # [Saint] jejeje right 21.09.24 # <[Saint]> I very strongly advise the use of a linux based system. 21.09.28 # wait pamaury, under an other PC on win XP, the device is detected and work like it should (the screen of sansa display if like normal) So i will try to update with rockboxutility on XP 21.09.39 # <[Saint]> Preferably something debian-esque. 21.09.59 # I didn't know about Windows 8 problems with emCORE 21.10.17 # [Saint] ok. thanks for the help. and thank you too copper 21.10.40 # <[Saint]> Windows installation is a massive bunch of failure just waiting to happen. 21.10.54 # <[Saint]> Windows 8 just seems to add a little bit more insanity to the mix. 21.11.21 # <[Saint]> Also, it manages to piss off USB3, too. 21.11.32 # <[Saint]> ...which in theory shouldn;t happen either. 21.12.17 # <[Saint]> So, yeah: 1 - Don't use Windows 8, preferably don't use Windows at all. 2 - Don't use USB3 21.16.56 # pamaury: the actual build of the fuze + is stable ? 21.17.01 Quit y4n (Quit: Assumption is the mother of all fuckups) 21.17.34 # <[Saint]> officially, no. 21.17.39 # <[Saint]> in practice, yes. 21.18.24 # <[Saint]> "Unstable ports 21.18.24 # <[Saint]> Rockbox runs on these players, but is incomplete, less usable or has problems that limit it to advanced users: 21.18.33 # <[Saint]> - SanDisk: Sansa Fuze+" 21.19.46 # in practice it is quite stable, at least for most people it seems 21.19.52 # <[Saint]> It is certainly far enough along that it is perfectly usable as an everyday DAP. But we couldn't promise that you wouldn't see any issues. 21.19.56 # most crash sources are the theme engine unfortunately 21.20.10 # * [Saint] nods 21.20.34 # <[Saint]> FWIW, we couldn;t promise you wouldn;t see any issues even if the port classification /was/ "stable". 21.20.37 # i still don't understand my issue, now my rockbox install is fresh and same issue 21.20.53 # if i plugg my sansa on my w7, device unknow 21.20.57 Quit rasec301985 (Quit: Page closed) 21.21.01 # my other device work 21.21.47 # * [Saint] is tempted to blame this on the host 21.22.05 # <[Saint]> This really points to an issue with your host system. 21.22.19 # if i plug my sansa OFF on windows 7 = screen stay black and i will ne to reset him while holding power button 21.22.42 # but before the update of the bootloader, no issue 21.24.00 # Did you try viewing it from the disk-management screen, rather than the file-explorer mounted volumes view? 21.26.25 Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@rockbox/developer/stripwax) 21.27.02 # i don't see him in disk-management screen 21.27.33 # If I plug sansa under rockbox ON with volume down, i get this error : http://titanpad.com/3D0XHuPWhn 21.28.10 # ildarion: I didn't follow your case, but just in case: if you have installed version 2 of the bootloader, have you tried turning the Fuze+ off, and then plugging it via USB, without first turning it on? 21.28.12 # ildarion: try to uninstall the device under your host (use the device manager) 21.28.59 # I mean, in Windo$e 21.29.45 # <[Saint]> Please don;t use unnecessarily confusing (and plain silly) naming schemes. 21.30.07 # <[Saint]> Remember that people may be using machine translation, and/or not have English is their native language. 21.30.10 # ildarion: plugging USB with Rockbox and volume down won't do anything particular, if you want to boot OF you need to plug with volume down from power off state 21.31.08 # however the crash is not normal 21.32.38 # When the sansa is off, and you hold the button, and plug it into Windows, it isn't popping up a folder, but Windows also has settings screens where you can view raw disks and devices, that is where I would look, in Windows, both where it enumerates the USB devices found, and where it shows the detected block devices. 21.33.41 # just test on windows Xp and works like intended 21.34.11 # <[Saint]> That furthers my "your host is the problem" theory. 21.34.38 Join Tukeke [0] (~Tukeke@unaffiliated/hlvsv) 21.34.43 # ildarion: you should try to uninstall the device under your windows 7 host, in the device manager 21.34.47 # So it is really just a "Figure out how Windows 7 / 8 work, maybe change a setting, maybe write a nice letter to Microsoft (Micro$oft)". 21.35.10 # plug the device, go into device manager, find it, right click, uninstall 21.35.32 # if you forget everything it knows about this device and probe it again 21.35.44 # did nothing pamaury 21.36.44 # this issue is: When i plug on windows 7, the screen of sansa stay black, and after, i need to holding power button for reset him. This doesn't happend on windows XP 21.37.10 # ildarion: have you tried this: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc725782.aspx 21.40.07 Quit Tukeke (Quit: Tukeke) 21.43.08 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 21.44.48 Join TehCactus [0] (c022dcb5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.192.34.220.181) 21.45.12 # Does anyone have any clearer instructions on how to install Rockbox on the Zen Mozaic? 21.49.16 # <[Saint]> I don;t think that is anywhere enar ready for end userts. 21.49.25 # <[Saint]> ...hence the lack of documentation. 21.49.34 # <[Saint]> *near 21.50.11 Quit TehCactus (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 21.50.14 # <[Saint]> If you do want to install it, you're going to need to build it yourself, also. 21.50.22 # <[Saint]> Meh. 21.50.26 # <[Saint]> Easy fix. 21.51.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.53.22 # pamaury, didn't fix anything..... I don't understand why i get thei issue with bootloader v2 and not before with v1 21.58.15 # ildarion: I stil don't understand how it's possible that you can't boot into neither OF and RB on the windows 7 host, it's seem plain impossible to me 21.59.48 # <[Saint]> By my understanding of the device, I think it actually is "impossible", yeah. 22.00.11 # * [Saint] scratches his head and gives a puzzled and slightly bemused expression 22.01.01 # yeah because the part which selects between OF and USB runs *before* the host connection is made 22.01.09 # seem to don't work on my linux laptop too 22.01.19 # but is different 22.01.35 # the screen of sansa don't stay black 22.01.41 # ah, what happen ? 22.01.50 # What does "dmesg" say during that time? 22.02.03 # <[Saint]> At this point I'm willing to bet that the device, the host, or possibly even both, are electrically defective in some way. 22.02.33 # <[Saint]> The behavior doesn't align with expectation at all. 22.03.05 Quit ikeboy (Quit: ikeboy) 22.04.11 # yeah, there is something fishy 22.05.29 # pamaury: the device seem to net be detected too. The screen of sansa just dispaly: boot version V2 / Boot arg / boot addr / power up source 20 / usb connecting / bootloader usb mode 22.12.06 # my dmesg http://pastebin.com/b70rtpbd 22.23.02 Quit zoktar (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22.23.05 # I think it cut off the part we care about - we only want the dmesg stuff generated when it detects the device... 22.24.09 # The dmesg you posted ends when it is initializing your printer. 22.26.04 # What is the problem with it ? 22.26.46 # Does the dmesg you see on your screen end with the same lines that the pastebin post ends with? Or did it get truncated? 22.27.17 Join lebellium_ [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-178-161.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 22.28.03 # Ah - device not accepting address 3, error -71 22.28.04 # Did you plug in before booting the PC? 22.28.14 # I've seen that stuff before, trying to remember. 22.28.19 Quit lebellium (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 22.28.26 Nick lebellium_ is now known as lebellium (~chatzilla@89-93-178-161.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 22.29.08 # Are you using a USB hub? Or just the Sansa into the computer? 22.30.21 Quit lebellium (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.31.07 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-178-161.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 22.31.09 # I was plug the device after booting the PC, but now you say i'm not 100% sur. No i don't use an USB Hub 22.32.26 # You may have a hardware issue. When I google the errors you're seeing, I see things like : If Linux suddenly happen to fail to recognize a USB drive, check dmesg for errors. Once you see a bunch of errors likeusb 1-5: device descriptor read/64, error -32 usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 21 usb 1-5: device not accepting address 21, error -32 most probably it’s a result of hardware failure rather than a driver or kerne 22.32.29 # Plug after or before same issue 22.33.14 # OK 22.33.20 # -71 is a timeout I believe 22.33.23 # Not sure though 22.33.40 # But if this is an HW issie Why it's work fine on windows XP ? :p 22.35.26 # the entire problem is that: Work on windows XP, don't work on win7 and linux 22.35.26 # Looks like it is disconnecting/reconnecting over and over... if it is software, it is down in the USB driver stuff. 22.36.08 # and before I update withe bootloader V2, is work fine on win 7 22.36.20 # So, for me it's software 22.36.22 # The simple answer is to put a logic probe on the cable, connect in XP, connect in Linux, and compare... Not much help I know. 22.36.31 # Bah, no! 22.36.39 # A USB analyser :) 22.37.16 # Same difference - the logic probe has a USB analyzer in software, after you capture it... 22.37.17 # but if it was a full rockbox issue, other users should have this no ? 22.37.31 # Not necessarily 22.37.40 # Some of these issues can be quite subtle 22.38.12 Quit Rower (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 22.38.44 # on the forums, i see post of other users there are issue with usb charging 22.39.28 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,26284.msg226131.html#msg226131 22.40.20 # but him issue seem to be softer 22.40.42 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 22.40.47 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 22.41.52 # Ok, so too much sansa for today, i will use my win XP for now and let the time resolve the issue by himself 22.43.52 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 22.47.10 # * [Saint] purchased a Snowball 22.47.24 # <[Saint]> It should make for an interesting RaaA target. 22.47.37 # <[Saint]> "SKY form-factor (85 x 85 mm), ST-Ericsson Nova A9500 @ 1GHz, 1GB DDR-SDRAM, 4GB e-MMC, 1x Micro-SD, 1x Ethernet 10/100, 1x USB OTG HS, 1x Serial Port over USB Device FS, 1x HDMI Full HD, 1x Video Composite, 1x Audio In/Out, 1x WiFi, 1x BlueTooth, 1x GPS, 1x 3 axis accelerometer / magnetometer / Gyrometer, 1x pressure sensor, 1x Li-Ion battery charger, 1x JTAG, 1x MiPi34." 22.48.20 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@f053153022.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.48.24 # a snowball? Throw it at someone! 22.48.38 # <[Saint]> bluebrother^: http://www.calao-store.com/epages/61428605.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61428605/Products/905-00024-B11 22.48.55 # <[Saint]> Its actually really nice for €35 22.49.34 # <[Saint]> I plan to mate it with a large-ish LiPo and a 7" touchscreen. 22.49.56 # <[Saint]> Chuck it all in a box and call it Lyre :p 22.50.31 # <[Saint]> It can run Android, Tizen, Sailfish OS, Ubuntu... 22.50.41 # <[Saint]> I can't wait to get my wee paws on it. 22.51.34 # ah, resurrecting Lyre :) 22.52.48 # * [Saint] now goes looking for a very large LiPo 22.53.42 # <[Saint]> Well, hopefully/preferably, large capacity - small form factor. 23.01.22 Quit ladyblink (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.01.41 Join ladyblink [0] (bassgeisha@selectah.drop.that.bass.aikyou.bassgeisha.com) 23.08.25 # ildarion: to me the fact you can't boot into the OF by holding volume down is a sign that something wrong is going and not about USB, probably hardware 23.08.55 # I can boot on OF 23.09.09 # everything work (for now) 23.09.27 # but not the USB on windows 7 and linux 23.09.52 # I mean, can you boot to the OF in USB mode on win7 or Linux by holding volume down ? 23.10.34 # you mean i boot on the OF, holding volum down and plug ? 23.11.17 # yeah or power off, hold volume down and plug USB and keep holding; that's the standard procedure to enter OF USB mode 23.11.44 # if this doesn't work, it means the issue probably has nothing to do with USB 23.12.45 # yes 23.13.15 # but if the work on win XP, what does mean ? 23.14.08 # what do you mean "yes", yes it works even under win7 and Linux ? 23.15.10 # no, nothing happend, afeter i unplugg, rockbox start 23.16.44 # maybe a power problem. If the screen stays black it means the device doesn't go very far in the boot process 23.16.53 # is the battery low ? 23.17.32 # a litle 23.18.30 # I have no explaination, it's bizarre 23.18.37 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 23.20.42 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 23.20.58 Join ildarion_ [0] (4ef2d722@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.242.215.34) 23.21.32 # I think it's maybe the boot process in USB mode, but wierd that work on win XP only 23.21.42 # why win xp ? 23.21.52 Quit ildarion (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 23.22.37 # I will continue to use sansa, and do the update 23.22.50 # maybe someday it will be solved by himself 23.23.06 # yeah try to reinstall the bootloader 23.23.22 # I have little hope though but it's worth a try I guess 23.23.32 # try also on the USB of my car 23.23.39 # I will* 23.24.19 # Yeah but i was already reinstall the bootloader 23.24.34 # few houres ago 23.25.20 # my issue if few days OLD when i was reinstall ALL and succes to trigger the OF on bootloader V2 23.26.11 # I will try to completly unstall rockbox, back on a old sansa OF 23.26.35 # test if the bug still here 23.26.37 # also try with a different USB cable if you have once 23.27.03 # i don't have another 23.27.22 # but is not the cable if it's work on win XP ? 23.27.54 # it will be the cable if they don't work on anything 23.28.55 # depends, could be electrical and my understanding is that you have different computers 23.28.56 # first, try to diagnostic if this is software and if this is rockbox 23.29.08 # ok 23.29.31 # tomorow i will try on the audio car 23.29.52 # as I said, it can't really be rockbox because if you boot to OF and it doesn't work, rockbox is not involved 23.30.38 # when i say rockbox, i meen bootloader v2 23.31.12 # it's possible to get and older version of the bootloader ? 23.34.04 # nevermind, i will consider test an older bootloader later. 23.34.28 # yeah but the older bootloader is very bad so I would not recommend it except if you have a convincing explaination 23.34.59 # thax for your help, i will return with feedsback 23.35.27 Quit ildarion_ (Quit: Page closed) 23.38.19 Join mt [0] (~quassel@cpe-24-165-191-253.neo.res.rr.com) 23.38.48 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0/20140123185438]) 23.44.59 # My bet is that there is some USB problem that XP is (improperly) forgiving. An XP bug, that should be fixed, to make it fail there, too. FORTUNATELY, they've End-of-Life-ed XP, so they won't fix it... 23.51.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.54.50 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat)