--- Log for 28.01.114 Server: pratchett.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 22 hours ago 00.29.15 # <[Saint]> toehser: errrr....not yet they haven't. 00.29.36 # <[Saint]> And they're selling extended support licenses to 2016 for a lot of vendors, too. 00.31.47 # I don't really buy that it is a USB issue anyway, the player obviously doesn't reach that point of the boot, based on what he said 00.36.58 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.45.33 Join ender [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 00.45.52 Join FOAD_ [0] (~foad@83.161.135.61) 00.46.29 Join TBCOOL_ [0] (~tb@c-2691e555.09-273-73746f44.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 00.47.31 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 00.47.40 Join pookie_ [0] (~pookie@snf-137798.vm.okeanos.grnet.gr) 00.48.44 Quit Airwave (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 00.48.44 Quit TBCOOL (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 00.48.45 Quit FOAD (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 00.48.45 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 00.48.45 Quit ender` (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 00.48.45 Quit Cultist (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 00.48.46 Quit olspookishmagus (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 00.48.46 Quit advcomp2019__ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 00.48.46 Nick FOAD_ is now known as FOAD (~foad@83.161.135.61) 00.49.28 Quit Naked (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 00.49.28 Quit ranmachan (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 00.49.32 Join Cultist [0] (~CultOfThe@c-67-186-111-33.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 00.49.35 Join Naked [0] (~naked@naked.iki.fi) 00.49.35 Join ranmachan [0] (ranma@yumi.uguu.de) 00.51.03 Join Guest46416 [0] (~chat@host10-17-static.5-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it) 00.52.29 Join Airwave [0] (~Airwave@94.246.37.45) 00.52.43 # Given that I've only owned e200, e200v2, Fuze, Clip+, and ClipZip players; but never a Fuze+, I should probably just shut up and let the Fuze+ experts have all the fun. 00.53.17 Quit FOAD (Changing host) 00.53.17 Join FOAD [0] (~foad@unaffiliated/foad) 00.53.18 Quit [Saint] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.55.31 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) 01.04.52 Quit ender (Quit: Eighty percent of all people consider themselves to be above-average drivers.) 01.26.22 Quit Raptors (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.26.50 Join Raptors [0] (~whoneedsa@216-58-33-234.cpe.distributel.net) 01.39.16 Join chrisjj [0] (561bb732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.27.183.50) 01.41.55 Quit stripwax (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 01.42.14 # pamaury: Apropos http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20131202#16:19:52 , Creative ZEN BSoD shows here on a 2Gb unit. 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Looking forward to hear if you are able to run code with this mode after magic scsi command 10.22.58 # wodz: sure, I will test tonight 10.25.00 Nick bzed_ is now known as bzed (~bzed@devel.recluse.de) 10.29.59 # pamaury: Running lcd (from hwstub for example) is a bit complicated. The common block is well abstracted so from the rb point of view porting should be straight forward 10.30.10 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 10.34.40 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 10.35.39 Quit GLC- (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 10.38.50 Join GLC- [0] (~clg@56k.modeemi.net) 10.43.02 Join CLG- [0] (clg@56k.modeemi.net) 10.43.25 Quit GLC- (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 10.44.26 Quit Raptors (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.44.55 Join Raptors [0] (~whoneedsa@216-58-33-234.cpe.distributel.net) 10.47.28 Quit CLG- (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 10.48.16 Join GLC- [0] (clg@56k.modeemi.net) 11.07.54 Quit dfkt (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 11.09.36 # <[Saint]> Is someone banning in the forums? 11.10.00 # <[Saint]> its impossibly slow. 11.10.03 # I'll try to find out 11.10.09 # Give me a few hours :) 11.10.39 # <[Saint]> Its been loading for like 2 minutes here. 11.13.26 # Doesn't look like it 11.14.06 # <[Saint]> Ah, there we go. 11.14.25 # <[Saint]> Dunno when it finally loaded, made a coffe and came back and it had finally popped up. 11.14.35 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.35.16 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 11.35.46 # gevaerts: did you test h100? 11.36.07 # Oh 11.36.10 # Bah 11.36.17 # * gevaerts tells his phone to remind him! 11.51.43 Nick pookie_ is now known as olspookishmagus (~pookie@snf-137798.vm.okeanos.grnet.gr) 11.51.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.52.29 Quit Raptors (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.53.01 Join Raptors [0] (~whoneedsa@216-58-33-234.cpe.distributel.net) 11.56.10 Quit fragilematter (Quit: Leaving.) 12.09.08 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 12.40.13 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 12.45.17 Join pedro_angelo [0] (~pedro_ang@187-15-190-138.user.veloxzone.com.br) 12.51.12 Quit Guest46416 (Quit: Bye bye) 12.56.15 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 13.13.46 Join fragilematter [0] (~fragilema@unaffiliated/fragilematter) 13.28.02 Quit ikeboy (Remote host closed the connection) 13.51.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.17.43 Join mt [0] (~quassel@cpe-24-165-191-253.neo.res.rr.com) 14.27.57 Quit mt (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14.33.20 Quit Zagor (Read error: Operation timed out) 14.35.13 Quit wodz (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 14.35.40 Join ildarion [0] (4ef2d722@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.242.215.34) 14.35.50 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 14.35.53 # hi 14.37.41 # pamaury, today i was doing some test. I got the issue on ma audio car. I have tried to reinstall rockbox again, still issue, now, i just completly install the OF (no rockbox/bootloader v2) 14.38.39 # and i still get the issue 14.38.57 # so it's my sansa or ma computer 14.40.50 # For the issue about "trigger update on OF" if you: install the update (copy firmware.sb) start OF, RESET setting, shutdown, Start OF, the update seem to trigger 14.46.04 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 14.47.13 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 14.49.01 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 14.50.50 # ildarion: thanks, so the issue doesn't seem to be related to Rockbox indeed, maybe a hardware problem 14.59.22 # it's easy to open sansa ? 14.59.41 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-214-77.mcn.bellsouth.net) 15.00.46 Quit wodz (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 15.01.23 # ildarion: you mean disassemble the device ? Yeah not very hard, but what for ? 15.01.36 # clean dust ^^ 15.01.50 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 15.03.07 # it is hold by plastic clips, be careful when you open it not to break the ribbon cable to the touchpad; then there are a few screws to remove 15.03.48 # yeah, i succed 15.04.22 # <[Saint]> It is easy to disassemble, but its about a 90% probability of screwing it up when it comes time to reassemble it. 15.05.03 # <[Saint]> But from the sounds of it, it is already defective. 15.05.13 # generally, i screw 95% when you need to reassemble xD 15.06.26 # no the fuze+ is very easy to reassemble, just the ribbon cable is annoying but it's nothing compared to other players 15.06.38 Quit wodz (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 15.13.59 Quit Raptors (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.15.51 Join Raptors [0] (~whoneedsa@216-58-33-234.cpe.distributel.net) 15.17.58 # I had already fix bug just in disassemble/reassemble device 15.18.08 # I hope for this one 15.20.09 Part dizzylizzy 15.20.45 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Leaving) 15.21.13 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 15.36.28 Quit Zagor (Quit: Clint excited) 15.38.15 # Do you think if the issue can caused by the cable ? If it's worth it to buy another 15.38.45 # do you have a smartphone? The USB cable is often the same type. 15.40.11 # nope, nothing compatible with a 2.0 15.40.54 Quit [Saint] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.41.18 # why do you mean? 15.41.22 # what* 15.42.32 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 15.42.58 # Many of the http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi builds (inc all Simulators ISTM) are missing from http://build.rockbox.org/ . Where can one find them? 15.43.00 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) 15.45.16 # We don't provide simulators and bootloaders from the build system. For simulators, that's mainly because the build environments may be too variable, for bootloaders, it's mainly because we'd like bootloaders to be thoroughly tested before releasing them 15.46.47 # "we'd like bootloaders to be thoroughly tested before releasing them" If the bootloader build was made available, I'd be able to test it. 15.46.50 # For other builds, http://build.rockbox.org/ only has "stable" and "unstable". For "unusable", the headers on dev.cgi are download links 15.47.02 # You can build it :) 15.47.35 # Seriously though, on some targets, installing a bad bootloader means no more device. We don't want that sort of risk for end users at all 15.47.51 # I though dev builds were not for end users. 15.48.10 # Have you ever tried to stop determined end users? 15.49.01 # *regular* builds (i.e. not bootloaders) are perfectly safe to test. Recovering can be a bit difficult for some people, but it's always possible 15.49.33 # "For "unusable", the headers on dev.cgi are download links" Co... sneaky! :) Thanks. 15.49.55 # Well, also for stable and unstable :) 15.51.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.52.07 # Not for ZEN bootloaders and simulators, I find. 15.55.19 Quit ildarion (Quit: Page closed) 15.55.28 # Can I take it that http://build.rockbox.org/ contains the subset of http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi that is 1) stable port and 2) player firmware (i.e. not bootloader or simulator)? 15.56.14 # stable and unstable 15.56.35 # Oops, yes. Thanks. 15.57.01 # dev.cgi is everything we auto-build on commit, which is stable, unstable, some unusable, some other stuff (like one or two checkwps and database tool targets) 15.59.02 # OK, got it. 16.00.39 Quit Raptors (Quit: Leaving) 16.01.20 # BTW on http://build.rockbox.org/ "For a stable build, download the latest stable release." could be clearer. I guess it means no more than "For end use of a stable port, download the latest stable release." Though nothing on the page I see says which ports are stable. 16.07.53 Join Rower [0] (husvagn@90-230-142-55-no41.tbcn.telia.com) 16.08.32 Join Raptors [0] (~whoneedsa@216-58-33-234.cpe.distributel.net) 16.12.47 Join crose [0] (~John@2001:41d0:fe1d:5300:a60:6eff:fe6a:3c56) 16.45.44 Quit GLC- (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.52.09 Join GLC- [0] (clg@56k.modeemi.net) 16.55.15 Quit GLC- (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.57.09 Join GLC- [0] (clg@56k.modeemi.net) 17.31.06 Quit petur (Quit: Page closed) 17.37.54 Quit crose (Quit: Leaving) 17.43.34 # chrisjj: left side menu, "release" 17.51.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.03.59 # bluebrother^: You've lost me there BB. I see that item, but what of it? 18.09.43 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 18.39.25 Quit pedro_angelo (Remote host closed the connection) 19.14.27 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 19.18.11 Nick DormantBrain is now known as SuperBrainAK (~andy@2001:470:8:a61::5f92:59a1) 19.28.55 Quit ikeboy (Quit: ikeboy) 19.52.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.02.11 Quit fragilematter (Quit: Leaving.) 20.02.35 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-178-161.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 20.03.24 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 20.43.51 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 20.54.27 # wodz: my h120 with v7pre4 bootloader runs f63b42a fine. I tried all three of disk, rombox, and flashed ram 20.55.20 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 20.57.24 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 20.58.01 Part toehser 21.00.43 # wodz: FS#12590 is still there though 21.00.45 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12590 3Dircache breaks when flashing rombox or rockbox on h1x0 (bugs, new) 21.01.05 # (not that I expected that to be fixed) 21.01.45 Join mirt61p [0] (~mirt61p@pool-71-109-219-225.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 21.02.13 # is there still work going on with the port of rockbox to the Zen Vision M? 21.02.27 # last i checked on the wiki it seemed dead 21.02.30 Quit Raptors (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.02.47 Join Raptors [0] (~whoneedsa@216-58-33-234.cpe.distributel.net) 21.03.25 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p4FC75502.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.03.34 # mirt61p: there's no active work as far as I know 21.12.00 # gevaerts, do you know who is/was working on it? 21.12.09 # mcuelenaere 21.12.20 # He hasn't been active in rockbox for a while now though 21.12.34 # drat 21.13.01 # But *you* are active here now, and you care about the zvm, so it's all good! 21.13.10 # let me or Mir know if anyone is interested in picking it up, please 21.13.18 Quit Raptors (Disconnected by services) 21.13.18 Join Raptors_ [0] (~whoneedsa@216-58-33-234.cpe.distributel.net) 21.13.23 # yea but my crosscompiling skills are horrible 21.13.37 Quit einhirn (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21.28.48 Join frankbutt [0] (~frankbutt@66.172.11.32) 21.28.53 Part frankbutt 21.32.19 Join toehser [0] (~tom@Connqueror.Toms.NET) 21.40.20 Quit Rower (Quit: Hmmm...) 21.40.32 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p4FC75502.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.41.46 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 21.43.38 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 21.43.56 Quit Raptors_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.44.19 Join Raptors [0] (~whoneedsa@216-58-33-234.cpe.distributel.net) 21.49.32 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-214-77.mcn.bellsouth.net) 21.52.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.59.52 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@91-64-116-250-dynip.superkabel.de) 21.59.52 Quit kugel (Changing host) 21.59.52 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 22.01.26 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. 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