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(pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 16.08.38 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 16.09.24 # <[Saint]> chrisjj: is "works fine" non-obvious? 16.12.50 # Saw a reference to the clip sport coming in 16GB form... I'm in if it does, gets me from 72 to 80... 16.13.44 Quit Mir (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 16.13.46 # and with 25h battery life 16.14.10 # <[Saint]> but still a happy meal toy. 16.14.13 # <[Saint]> :) 16.14.37 # I can't imagine they would still make the zip, guessing it is a zip+ upgrade that will replace zip? 16.16.03 # <[Saint]> odds are its essentially the exact same device(s) with very trivial differences. 16.16.54 # www.kernelsoftware.com/products/catalog/sandisk.html lists colors/sizes/prices 16.17.23 # <[Saint]> new shell, different screen, and rather miserable storage for today. 16.17.38 # <[Saint]> i wish people woukd stop buying them. 16.17.53 # <[Saint]> ...then they'd stop making them. 16.18.16 # What is better, given the constraint that I keep it in my pant pocket 24x6, so it can't be larger? 16.18.26 # 7 16.18.26 # for some reason people are not into high storage devices. maybe because most don't have that much music to carry around 16.18.55 # Huh? ClipZip w/ 64gb card and another on a tether is 136GB... 72 at a time 16.19.15 # I love high storage, as long as it is flash... 16.19.48 # <[Saint]> which is why Ibhave a 256GB SSD iPod. 16.19.55 # <[Saint]> -b 16.19.56 # If I could get a ClipZip with 512GB of flash built in, I would pay $500. 16.20.08 # <[Saint]> no you wouldn't. 16.20.12 # <[Saint]> thats silly. 16.20.43 # navigating such large collections on such a small thing is insane 16.21.00 # <[Saint]> yep. 16.21.00 # Fuze+ or bust 16.21.04 # For my needs, yes I would! I have 1.4T of audio, I would love to be able to carry a third of it! 16.21.31 # I don't have problems navigating. They invented this thing called "subdirectories". 16.21.57 # <[Saint]> great when you can see a whole...what, 4 lines at a tine? 16.22.01 # <[Saint]> *time 16.22.04 # <[Saint]> :p 16.22.17 # <[Saint]> must be awesome. 16.23.01 # That's why I wrote my own theme. 9 legible lines. 16.23.34 # <[Saint]> Ooooohhhh 9, well. I apologize. 16.23.49 # lol 16.24.58 # Of course, 1 is the status bar and 1 is the directory name, so really only 7. But I would WAY sacrifice form factor in my pocket for this. It isn't even CLOSE for me. 16.26.27 # Of course, I understand, you're all probably wanting to squint at porn videos on the Fuze+ screen, the Zip just isn't satisfying that way... :) 16.27.19 # 8 lines here. 16.27.40 # <[Saint]> I'd say most of us carry around 4~5+ inches of full HD for video. 16.28.05 # <[Saint]> video on a DAP is for amusements sake. Little more. 16.30.16 # * [Saint] adds "these days" 16.30.36 # <[Saint]> DAPs are becoming increasingly irrelevant. 16.35.41 # except with smartphones lacking SD card readers 16.35.50 # (yay Google Nexus) 16.36.57 # and iPhones 16.37.08 # and smartphones with large storage are super expensive 16.38.46 Join japc [0] (~japc@194.65.5.235) 16.39.21 # and battery life sucks, and you might want to store stuff other than music, taking up extra space 16.39.25 # and you wouldn't want to carry your expensive smartphone with you in the gym or when running.. I can see why sandisk are trying to sell the new clip to the sporty kind of people.. 16.39.46 # I keep my smartphone in my pocket at the gym, but I don't run 16.39.49 Quit japc (Client Quit) 16.40.00 # I use it to write down my performance, and to time myself 16.40.17 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 16.45.28 # * [Saint] points out that data makes storage irrelevant on a mobile 16.46.10 # <[Saint]> Every single piece of non-app data on my phone is streamed on demand. 16.46.16 # <[Saint]> its 2014. 16.46.58 # yeah and 3G still sucks ass 16.47.15 # I get no signal in half the buildings in my town 16.47.16 # You only need storage because you have data 16.47.26 # <[Saint]> LTE, yo. 16.48.04 # my smartphone is 2 years old, yo, and I'm not gonna spend €400 or more again, yo 16.48.23 # and 4G coverage is still spotty, yo 16.48.40 # <[Saint]> get a new country ;) 16.49.23 # <[Saint]> (or just a better telco?) 16.49.32 # I don't see why I should pay "rent" for my data 16.49.45 # also, trains and airplanes, yo 16.50.11 # nothing beats an iPod Classic for 100% availability 16.50.17 # <[Saint]> there's this magic thing called a cache. 16.50.49 # if I have enough cache, I don't need to stream 16.51.49 # streaming is a constraint, not a solution 16.52.18 # Streaming clouds is an overcomplication for mobile music, I find my Zip a much better approach, for all the reasons mentioned and more. 16.52.27 # <[Saint]> the way we're heading, I doubt that feeling is shared by all. 16.52.32 # <[Saint]> very much. 16.53.49 # If even 5% of users really care for what a DAP provides, Sansa will be able to keep selling enough of them :) 16.54.02 # <[Saint]> More and more people are realizing data is cheap and available (sorry if your country sucks. mine doesnt, nor do many others) and that carrying several devices that do exactly one thing each is unnecessary. 16.54.50 # "several devices that do exactly one thing each" 16.54.54 # like real cameras? 16.55.40 # Yes they make coffee cups with barometers and earmuffs. 16.55.54 Join nick_p [0] (~nick@82-69-105-120.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 16.55.57 # Unix philosophy. Each component does one thing well. 16.56.03 # <[Saint]> Exactly. For most people, their cell is perfectly fine. We're talking about devices with better resolution than some dedicated cameras. 16.56.14 # * gevaerts isn't sure how relevant this discussion is for rockbox 16.56.21 # point granted 16.56.24 # <[Saint]> More people are realizing this. 16.57.22 # smartphone cameras suck 16.57.26 # No cell phone camera is even close to a $100 dedicated camera. But I'll drop it as off topic... 16.58.06 # <[Saint]> ...says the guy rocking 2 year old HW. 16.58.16 # <[Saint]> But, gah... 17.00.42 Quit nick_p (Client Quit) 17.03.17 Join zaphee [0] (~user@wifi-osiris-sec-181-37.u-strasbg.fr) 17.03.36 Quit Zagor (Quit: Clint excited) 17.05.52 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 17.08.49 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 17.08.50 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 17.08.51 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 17.08.52 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 17.08.52 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 17.08.57 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 17.24.40 Quit ikeboy (Quit: ikeboy) 17.32.34 Part zaphee 17.34.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.00.43 Join Mir [0] (~Mir@pool-71-109-219-96.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 18.37.18 Quit Zambezi (Quit: Server does not respond.) 18.43.00 Join Zambezi [0] (Zulu@bnc.fran.hostbay.nu) 18.43.38 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 19.34.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.34.58 Quit fragilematter1 (Quit: Leaving.) 20.19.58 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.21.50 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 20.41.40 # kugel, pamaury: you were most interested in gsoc last year, do you want to try again this year? 20.42.58 # (other devs: feel free to jump in too) 21.05.38 # either way, i do not think 2 interested devs are enough 21.05.47 # and i believe pamaury said he didnt have time for it this year 21.06.01 # Oh, I agree we need more 21.06.39 # But I think they're the two most active people at the moment, so if they're out, I think we're definitely out 21.22.42 Quit chrisjj (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 21.27.47 # <[Saint]> Its kinda sad to be "that guy", but I'm fairly sure we all knew something really extraordinary needed to happen to get a proposal in this year, let along get accepted. 21.28.07 # <[Saint]> *let alone 21.34.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.01.00 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@nl118-168-30.student.uu.se) 22.01.00 Quit n1s (Changing host) 22.01.00 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 22.24.17 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-178-161.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 22.27.19 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 22.41.32 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 22.41.39 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 22.44.04 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 22.50.53 Quit Rower (Quit: Hmmm...) 22.53.44 # gevaerts: yeah I'm sorry this year I simply don't have the time, I will have to start writing my PhD soon, lot of work in perspective 22.56.38 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g226070223.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.57.23 # <[Saint]> The last one was /almost/ certainly "the last roll in the hay", as it were. 22.57.33 # <[Saint]> s/last one/last one attended/ 22.59.14 # Maybe, but it still needs to be discussed I think :) 23.07.15 Join chrisjj [0] (561bb732@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.27.183.50) 23.12.45 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 23.24.49 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23.29.27 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 23.34.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"