--- Log for 11.03.114 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 25 days and 20 hours ago 00.05.33 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-237-172.mcn.bellsouth.net) 00.06.48 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 00.17.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.25.10 Quit ender` (Quit: I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. -- Bjarne Stroustrup) 00.27.47 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 00.44.33 Quit ii_ (Quit: ii_) 01.30.02 Join tertu [0] (~quassel@143.44.65.14) 01.43.34 Join djukon [0] (~djukon@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl) 01.49.19 Join treaki__ [0] (8c0db3a44b@p4FF4A592.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.51.08 Quit yosafbridge (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01.52.16 Quit treaki_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.55.35 # Looks like I can't build for application targets for some reason. I can build everything else though. 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11.45.32 Join kugel_ [0] (~kugel@openvpn.HHI.FRAUNHOFER.DE) 11.45.32 Quit kugel_ (Changing host) 11.45.32 Join kugel_ [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 11.45.56 Join Rower [0] (~husvagn@90-230-142-55-no41.tbcn.telia.com) 11.46.23 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 11.46.56 # The Sandisk 128GB MicroSDXC card selling for $119 on Amazon is confirmed to work fine in the Sansa Clip Zip (as expected). 11.47.59 # nice 11.48.22 # now if only my sd card reader problem on the fuze+ would go away :( 11.48.24 # pamaury: ^^ :) 11.48.27 Quit ii_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 11.48.27 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 11.50.24 Quit kugel_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 11.51.32 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@193.174.67.16) 11.51.32 Quit kugel (Changing host) 11.51.32 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 11.54.16 # copper: I'm sorry, I was very busy and it's not easy to come up with tests when you don't have the device to test it. Today I have some free time, I will send you a new firmware to try 11.54.28 # ok, no worries 11.54.40 # I did offer you to ship it to you :P 11.55.31 # yeah maybe we can do that 11.56.41 # might be simpler, and you could gather whatever extra data you like about it, write down the hardware differences or whatever 11.57.09 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 11.57.27 # you could also open it up, if you promise to put it back together :P 11.58.34 # sure 11.59.31 # I just PMed you my email address 11.59.35 # just send your info there 11.59.41 # I'll give you mine 12.00.47 # it's the same email address that's commented in my theme cfg files 12.03.09 Join pmichael [0] (b3b3d0b9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.179.179.208.185) 12.08.33 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 12.08.57 Quit Zagor (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12.09.01 # hi i am having problems with Rockbox Bootloader v1.0 in Ipod nano 2g,using any build version including stable 3.10,I've searched google, forums and in the manual and my last change is IRC 12.09.51 # pmichael: What do you mean by "problems"? Please be more specific 12.10.23 # i try boot and the message of error says: ATA error:1 (not -1) and says for hold menu + select 12.11.16 # pamaury: got it, thanks 12.11.41 # I'm not that familiar with that ipod but I think that error is known, I'll try to look it up 12.12.38 # ok :) if I know what this error means I can try to fix 12.13.44 Join ii_ [0] (~ii@host-50.HUGEPLACAT.212.5.69.0.0xffffff80.macomnet.net) 12.17.27 # Could anyone give me an estimate of how much code should I rewrite to support hires sound (192kHz/24bit) output on rockbox, if I have a player with a DAC supporting this and a working pcm driver supporting this for rockbox? 12.17.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.19.56 # pmichael: I see some results on the forum, but there aren't solutions (http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=33792.0) 12.20.23 # It might be a hard drive issue, did you try to replace the hard drive (or is it the original) 12.23.27 # ikeboy: nano 12.23.36 # No replaceable hard drive 12.23.51 # I don't have experience with it 12.24.01 # It's a flash device 12.24.14 # So what's this ATA error? 12.25.18 # IIRC the nano uses a flash chip with some sort of ATA interface 12.25.58 # anyone in forums say ata errors increasing number in sequence of boot,so -1 is very early,but mine says 1 12.26.23 Quit ikeboy (Quit: Leaving) 12.26.28 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@89-75-151-160.dynamic.chello.pl) 12.27.04 # Oh, wait. 2nd gen 12.27.09 # So not the ATA driver 12.27.15 # nano2g uses raw nand. On top of this there is Whimory FTL which emulates block access 12.27.19 # [7]: this one is for you I think 12.28.54 # ii_: Pretty much everything in rockbox assumes 44.1/48 16bit samples. While higher sampling rates should be simple to add, 24bit samples gonna be hard 12.29.18 # ii_: you should talk with saratoga and jhMikeS about this 12.30.14 # I've restored 6 times through itunes and and uninstalled and installed via bootloader and rockbox utility ipodpatcher but ele sometimes shows ata error: 1 (not -1) 12.31.00 # pmichael: I suspect only [7] knows that part of the nano2g well enough to help you 12.33.30 # ok thx for help :) my ipod nano 2g fails sometimes but he can boot fine sometimes too :) 12.34.02 # I will continue looking for a solution 12.36.59 # wodz: thank you, will wait for them coming online 12.37.09 # oh the lcd turn off is very slow,like a fade out in apple firmware is normal,but when reboot or rockbox shutsdown the lcd some lines still visible 4-5 secs 12.39.10 # ii_: anyway you know that 192kHz/24bit is pointless in consumer electronic, right? 12.39.22 # if nand fails and lcd behavior is strange,maybe hardware responsible for power management have a bad cap or other smd 12.41.32 # wodz: I have a few ideas why it could be so, but a link to a good article explaining physical reasons for that would be great 12.42.30 # there was good article on xiph.org, I'll try to dig it up 12.43.31 # https://outpost.fr/Er9 → xiph.org: 24/192 Music Downloads are Very Silly Indeed 12.43.45 # right 12.43.59 # ii_: note that saratoga doesn't usually come here unless he sees his name in the web log 12.44.05 # Classic HA discussion link :D 12.44.36 # https://outpost.fr/3DS → xiph.org: Xiph.Org Video Presentations: Digital Show & Tell 12.44.44 # also relevant ^^ 12.45.09 # Is that the video where monty drinks half a liter of brown goo in the end? 12.45.17 # yeah :D 12.45.45 # No, it's the second one 12.46.13 Quit pmichael () 12.46.20 # ii_: what's the device in question? Have you run RMAA on it, to see if it's even capable of actual > 16 bit performance? 12.46.56 # copper: ibosso dx50 12.47.15 # implementing 24 bit playback may be awfully wasteful if it turns out the device can only do like 97 dB of dynamic range 12.47.49 # http://www.markuskraus.com/RMAA/dx100.htm 12.48.16 # the DX100 only manages 90 dB in those measurements, though you might get slightly better results with the lineout 12.48.47 # (16 bit performance being about 96 dB of DR) 12.49.24 # 91 dB here http://www.markuskraus.com/RMAA/dx100ie800.htm 12.49.52 # compared to my iPod's 95 dB https://outpost.fr/rmaa/iPod_Classic.htm 12.51.25 # Great article, thank you. Will read thoroughly before jumping into implementing that :) 12.52.19 # depends on why you want to do it 12.52.27 # so its SNR is equal to the hifiman hm801... or sansa clip ;) 12.52.32 # if it's to appeal to an audiophile base, then you should do it 12.52.44 # if it's to squeeze out better sound quality, you won't get anywhere 12.53.47 # dfkt: well, I don't know what limitations his ADC has 12.54.06 # also, measured performance tends to get lower when loaded with such IEMs 12.54.36 # though SNR should be affected 12.54.41 # (by the load) 12.54.46 # shouldN'T 12.56.27 # dfkt: compare http://www.markuskraus.com/RMAA/clipplus/data.htm to http://outpost.fr/rmaa/Clip-Shure_SE425.htm 12.56.46 # my Clip's SNR value is a full 3 dB higher than his 12.58.02 # my tests of the original clip are all around -88.6 db - http://rmaa.elektrokrishna.com/Comparisons/Comparison%20-%20Sansa%20Clip%20-%2012%20-%2048%20Ohm.htm 12.59.00 # and some "generation improvement" - http://rmaa.elektrokrishna.com/Comparisons/Sansa%20Clip%2C%20Clip%2B%2C%20Clip%20Zip%20-%2032%20Ohm.htm 12.59.20 # you're probably limited by your ADC 12.59.28 # nope 12.59.36 # echo audiofire 4 12.59.45 # got a loopback RMAA of it? 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19.34.01 # if the line out measurements are really close to 96 k, theres a good chance you can do a little better using 24 bit mode, at least assuming the underlying system actually supports it 19.34.04 # very few people RMAA stuff 19.34.06 # sorry 19.34.08 # 96 dB 19.34.51 # do you have the source code for the linux driver? 19.35.19 # there are enough fans at player.ru or head-fi.org waiting for roxkbox at dx50, some of them could do that if they are really interested in hires :) 19.36.22 # no source of course, but I can read pcm info from driver 19.36.36 Quit |akaWolf| (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.37.04 Join |akaWolf| [0] (~akaWolf@188.134.9.161) 19.37.36 # headfiers have no clue how to do that, and they don't even believe measurements mean anything 19.37.54 # "what I hear can't be measured or explained by science" 19.38.16 # the driver will almost certainly tell you it takes 24 bit (and 32 bit ..) but that doesn't mean it actually passes that to the hardware, nor that the hardware actually uses those extra bits 19.38.47 # you need to measure to see if the extra information is used or not 19.39.37 # bluebrother: ping 19.40.51 # so far, no device that rockbox has ever been ported to has shown any difference in output between 16 and 24 bit 19.41.44 # I am starting working on this scsi lib I promise, this is long overdue, where do you think it should go ? I'm thinking maybe in tools/scsi.{c,h} since it should be quite small. Or a utils/libscsi/ but that's really one file so I'm not sure it is a win to compile it as a lib rather than just including it. Any thoughts ? 19.42.09 # whats it for? 19.43.22 # so what would I need for the basic measurement? I have http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/tech/m-audio-fast-track-ultra-151603/, would it be enough? 19.44.54 # doesn't look like it: http://en.audiofanzine.com/external-audio-interface/m-audio/Fast-Track-Ultra/editorial/reviews/ultra-affordable.html 19.45.27 # 90.6 dB DR 19.46.29 Quit pretty_function (Remote host closed the connection) 19.46.38 # unless they screwed up their setup 19.48.20 # i think a lot of USB stuff is only 16 bit because of windows 19.48.29 # so probably it'll need to be a real sound card 19.48.44 # like this :) http://outpost.fr/rmaa/EMU_0204_USB.htm 19.49.01 # that would work 19.49.51 # it seems like a lot of "prosumer" USB devices perform relatively poorly 19.52.36 # note that 112.7 dB is not even 19 bits of DR 19.52.49 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 19.52.49 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 19.52.49 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 19.53.33 # but I guess that 18 bits of performance would be worth enabling 24 bit playback 19.57.39 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 19.59.07 Quit funman (Changing host) 19.59.07 Join funman [0] (~fun@rockbox/developer/funman) 20.01.10 # I'm recording drums with fast track ultra in ardour at linux, and at least they all pretend that they record 24@96. Ok, I got the idea what is to be measured, will try soon. 20.08.39 # saratoga: you mean the scsi lib ? 20.09.42 # yeah, is it for installing ? 20.10.35 # yes, for RbUtil, I need to do scsi on all OSes. 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I concentrate on native part only for now so lots of stuff is broken probably. 23.45.24 # kugel: Do you see possibility to have plugin/codec buffer allocated dynamically? 23.46.10 # yea, should be doable 23.46.43 # but they should be relocatable for that 23.46.51 # what you mean? 23.47.12 # the load address isnt constant for dynamic buffers 23.47.44 # ah, that is implemented already in elfloader stuff on gerrit 23.48.41 # it is static relocation (like in linux kernel modules) 23.49.23 # anyway you can load plugin to whatever address you like as long as it is word aligned 23.50.16 # so you just have to allocate buffers suitable for running code (non-movable/shrinkable) 23.50.22 # yes 23.51.04 # i mean you can do this right now 23.51.19 # pamaury_: do you want flyspray reports on bugs I find on fuze+? or should I assume that for now you're still finding plenty of bugs 23.53.33 # kugel: How well this works? Doesn't nonmovable alloc disrupts buflib operation? 23.53.43 # alexbobp: what bug ? 23.55.39 # wodz: generally yes 23.56.16 # buflib will still be able to allocate before and after the nonmovables when there is enough space in either section 23.56.26 # pamaury_: crashes loading certain themes, and the ui acts buggy in general if the display is set to upside down 23.56.30 # and any future ones I find :P 23.56.39 # I guess I will just poke you in here with these things first to see if you want more info ;) 23.57.04 # first one is not fuze+ specific that's theme bugs, we have plenty of them already 23.57.13 # normally the buffer before will be compact and buflib will attempt to allocate in the section behind 23.57.22 # I will check for upside down, actually I'm surprised someone uses that 23.57.36 # hehe the fuze+ is the first player that made me interested to try it 23.57.39 # kugel: For plugins this is probably not an issue but if one day we split parts of the core as loadable modules this may become significant 23.57.39 # because it's so awkwardly laid out 23.58.10 # it won't cause problems, the only issue is that the nonmovable alloc cannot be moved down to make the buffer compact again 23.58.11 # pamaury_: I can also throw feature requests your way :P but either way thanks for the great work so far 23.58.31 # I'm hoping at some point there can be vertical swiping in menus 23.58.39 # * wodz dreams about database as module which I will never load :P 23.58.58 # alexbobp: you mean sliding on the touchpad ?