--- Log for 28.03.114 Server: dickson.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 11 hours ago 00.03.55 Join us`0gb [0] (~0gb.us@c-50-137-60-25.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 00.15.23 Quit bertrik (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.19.15 # <[Saint]> WHat the shit? 00.19.42 # <[Saint]> Why can't the client handle spaces in the $PATH? 00.20.01 # because they cant levitate? 00.20.11 # <[Saint]> I can build fine - so why does the master care? 00.20.37 # <[Saint]> Stoopidy stupid McStoopidson....grumble. 00.21.24 # <[Saint]> gevaerts: Why would this become an issue only *just now*? 00.24.17 # scorche|sh, nice. 00.36.39 Quit the-kyle (Remote host closed the connection) 00.38.51 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 00.39.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.56.54 Quit |akaWolf| (Quit: my exit) 01.04.05 Join the-kyle [0] (~kyle@kyle.tk) 01.18.22 Join Misanthropos [0] (~Misanthro@frnk-4d00dcec.pool.mediaWays.net) 01.20.17 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01.21.46 # Is Ogg/Vorbis encoding too cpu heavy to include it to the available list of recording formats? 01.23.15 # or is there another reason (except it has not been done, yet)? 01.23.27 # <[Saint]> It shouldn't be. 01.23.46 # <[Saint]> Its proably that we just don't have a suitably licensed encoder. 01.24.13 # <[Saint]> Or Mr. Someone simply just hasn't done the work yet. 01.24.20 # ;) 01.25.00 # <[Saint]> Just use PCM and transcode if you *need* .ogg files, I guess. 01.25.43 # That my current approach 01.25.56 # but PCM tends to grow quickly 01.26.45 # So it should be GNU licenced v2 or v3? 01.28.00 # <[Saint]> Or a suitably portable license, yes. And no floating point. 01.28.16 # <[Saint]> The latter is likely problematic also. 01.30.24 # Oh... maybe the because of the latter.... 01.31.36 # http://www.vorbis.com/faq/#_fpsupport 01.32.12 # there is a decoder, but: Tremor is a fixed-point implementation of the Vorbis decoder suitable for chips found on portable devices. However, a fixed-point encoder has not been written. 01.32.39 # so.. back to the former approach 01.33.01 # <[Saint]> I'm not sure how many, if any, targets actually have an FPU. 01.33.20 # <[Saint]> Possibly its only the application targets. ARM/NEON. 01.33.35 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 01.34.06 # <[Saint]> Oh. And maybe the MIPS ones? 01.34.23 # * [Saint] shrugs 01.34.56 # I have not clue about the different types of cpus 01.35.14 # you probably wouldn't want to use an embedded lossy encoder anyway, quality is going to be quite poor 01.35.20 # unless you just want voice or something 01.35.47 # <[Saint]> Well, the mic *is* awful... ;) 01.36.25 Quit RiD (Quit: A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.) 01.36.35 # <[Saint]> Recording to mp3 isn't _that_ bad. 01.36.39 # yes... quality from input on a sansa clip+ is already crappy. one more reason not to spend a lot of space for a recording 01.37.31 # mp3 works indeed. just thought it would be nice to use a free codec 01.37.46 # and converting from mp3 i dont want to 01.37.54 # <[Saint]> Well...you are, really. 01.38.03 # <[Saint]> Its a free implementation of a non-free codec. 01.38.30 # <[Saint]> Its not like we're paying any licensing. 01.38.45 # maybe i read too much from richard stallman lately ;) 01.38.59 # <[Saint]> That man needs a bullet in the face. 01.39.46 # not the right place to discuss it here i guess 01.40.56 # <[Saint]> Anyhoo - yeah. While mp3 in general may be non-free, the implementation thereof in Rockbox is. 01.42.19 Quit fragilematter (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.43.10 # I'd love to see an opus encoder, as the quality is far superior to mp3, especially on something like a Clip+ or Clip Zip. Problem is I'm not a low-level coder, so probably wouldn't be able to help implement it. 01.43.15 Join fragilematter [0] (~fragilema@unaffiliated/fragilematter) 01.44.01 # <[Saint]> the-kyle: same problem as vorbis. 01.44.05 # <[Saint]> No FPU. 01.44.29 # Is the fixed point implementation of opus only for the decoder? 01.44.44 # <[Saint]> As far as I am aware. 01.44.58 # :/ 01.45.05 # i had hopes for a short moment 01.45.41 # I thought for sure some people were getting it working on those cheap little ARM boards, but I guess most of those have FPU's these days. 01.45.55 # <[Saint]> Realistically this isn't something the device should be caring about. 01.46.04 # <[Saint]> Its too computationally expensive. 01.46.24 # I've just been using wavpack and converting to opus on the desktop. 01.46.26 # <[Saint]> Capture a lossless stream and then transcode it later on a machine that is far more suited to the task. 01.47.26 # <[Saint]> the-kyle: re: "cheap little ARM boards", yes. Indeed. 01.49.39 # The nice thing about Wavpack is that when recording from the mic, it can produce a mono file that runs around 250Kb/s, and can be converted to opus at 32Kb/s on the computer with no noticeable loss of sound quality compared to the original recording. 24 is also decent when encoded from a lossless file. 01.51.09 # <[Saint]> Most of theose ARM boards are probably ARMv6 w/ NEON or ARMv7, I would guess. 01.51.34 # <[Saint]> Both have FPU/VFP. 01.52.21 # Yes. Some even have Cortex A9. 01.52.59 # <[Saint]> So, its definitely /possible/. But I don't think anyone wants to split up the codebase. 01.53.06 # I think the Pi is the oldest/least powerful, and I think it has Neon or something. 01.53.28 # <[Saint]> Raspberry Pi is by no means the oldest. 01.53.34 # <[Saint]> Just the most common. 01.54.15 # * [Saint] looks at his Mini2440 01.55.10 # I was referring more to the ARM version than the unit itself, although I'm sure more boards are still in production with older processors. 01.57.04 # <[Saint]> IIRC, my Mini2440 is 533MHz ARM9 01.57.18 # <[Saint]> Ah. ARM926T 01.57.42 # <[Saint]> FriendlyARM - nice little board. 01.57.52 # <[Saint]> Well, it /was/. 01.58.46 # <[Saint]> I need to do some benchmarks with Rockbox on an ST-E Snowball 02.03.27 # <[Saint]> That thing has a reasonable bit of grunt. See: http://goo.gl/JaELBq 02.04.35 # <[Saint]> (sliding off-topic here, but I highly suggest buying one, at €35 its pretty hard to justify *not* buying one) 02.11.47 # indredasting 02.16.47 # <[Saint]> gevaerts: (logs) could you please re-enable my client, spaces removed from client path. 02.18.15 # Woe that's a nice little board, and the price is right too. 02.19.09 # <[Saint]> Jump into #rockbox-community if you want to talk about it some more, I kida derailed the topic. 02.39.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.42.50 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-237-172.mcn.bellsouth.net) 02.53.28 Join saratoga_ [0] (123e1fc2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.62.31.194) 02.54.06 # there is actually an integer only opus encoder, and in theory we already have it in rockbox, we just didn't add the bits to let people use it 02.54.14 # and probably optimization to have it working in real time 02.55.19 # <[Saint]> Oh? Really? 02.55.37 # <[Saint]> Huh. I was unaware there was such a thing. 02.55.57 # Me2. 02.59.04 # right now the encoder bits are just disabled in the make file 02.59.56 # Then I guess it would just need to be added to the recording menu with some sane bitrate selections? 03.00.00 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 03.01.27 # and the codec interface bits, yeah 03.03.25 # Hmmm. I need to figure out all the stuff about sending in patches, although I have already modified my local Rockbox with some voice announce stuff that isn't in mainline. 03.05.09 # That and I also have a hotkey configured that probably won't be applied. It worked pretty well on the Clip+, but it's somehow just a bit awkward on the Clip Zip, probably because of the shape of the direction pad. 03.07.40 # My local stuff isn't committed anywhere. Hmmm. I may be able to stash my stuff and just branch with the opus recording. I'll definitely look at it, unless someone gets to it before I do. 03.08.19 # i think usually you start a new git branch for a project like this 03.25.28 # Yeah, there's definitely a right way to do it. It's in the wiki. I'll make an attempt to do it right :-). 03.29.03 Quit Strife89 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.29.57 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 03.44.13 Quit Marex (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 03.44.40 Join Marex [0] (~Marex@195.140.253.167) 03.57.58 # * JdGordon prods [Saint] 04.01.18 # the-kyle, That sounds great :) 04.03.05 # I'll see what I can do. I'm not making any promises about time though, but I'd like to get it in for review. Since opus is a standard now, it would be great to be able to encode it directly from a Rockbox device. 04.03.51 # I agree.. I would be happy to test it.. and maybe help improve it 04.05.14 # are your still using gerrit for that? 04.05.53 # That's the thing I need to learn about. I've never used it before now, I've just done git branches. 04.06.14 # there is btw still no quickmenu item for the sleeptimer switch on/off.. i once did some work on it but got lost with branches updates merging.. in the end i gave up that one 04.06.53 # oh..... then welcome to hell ;) 04.07.04 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.07.04 # lol 04.07.04 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.07.06 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.07.06 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.07.06 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.07.11 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.07.35 # I take it it's nothing even remotely like Github?gitorious. 04.09.08 # well.. maybe remotely... 04.09.49 # at the time i did not know git well 04.10.11 # still dont.. but at least have had some more experience 04.10.20 # Well, if it's anything like Github or Gitorious, I should be able to find my way around fairly easily. 04.10.42 # I don't yet know all the finer points, but I can do some of the most important stuff. 04.11.15 # If it's just a matter of setting up an account and importing a branch, I'll be a quick study. 04.12.02 # I've been using Rockbox for years, it's time I did something, even if it's something small. 04.12.09 # yeah... until you need to merge with main and back to gerrit.. at one point i was lost... and its cumbersome to keep up with the main tree 04.12.42 # Can't I just do a pull like I do in other projects? 04.12.47 # it should not be too complicated and i would be happy to help 04.14.09 # I think there's details on the developers' wiki page. I'll study it and see how it works. 04.14.28 # if not.. you could just upload a copy of rockbox to github/bitbucket and i pull it from there ;) 04.14.55 Quit Marex (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 04.14.58 # or we could work together on that and push the diff to gerrit 04.15.03 # as an idea 04.15.07 # Sounds good either way. 04.15.48 # gerrit is annoyingly complex 04.16.24 # haha I hear you 04.17.21 # Is it better to maintain my own branch in another repository then? But then I still need to push difs. 04.17.33 # creating a diff is easy 04.17.57 # I still would need to put the diff somewhere 04.18.19 # no.. everybody could make a diff from your repository 04.18.27 # I just figured it would be best to try to work with the established system. 04.18.42 # and you can make a pull request too 04.19.06 # all the power to you :) 04.19.17 # I actually have a local copy I call rockbox-kyle-mod, but I never committed any of my changes. I just need to push it somewhere. 04.19.57 # have you merged it with the main tree? 04.20.36 # or as you said... stash it 04.20.59 # I stash it, and haven't ever had trouble applying the stach when I pull from the main tree. 04.22.00 # must have been bad luck for me then.. but i had to touch a number of different files.. including definitions for menu entries...a 04.22.02 # I've been able to keep a wps-announce patch updated and working that way. I actually haven't had a conflict git couldn't resolve in about 3 years. 04.22.44 # hmm... maybe i can find the changes i made back then 04.23.17 # The changes I stash touch the settings menu and voice files, so I must be luckier than I ever thought. 04.23.27 # git stash 04.23.30 # git pull 04.23.34 # git stash apply 04.23.34 # hmm... so a new menuentry for opus and a menu for opus setting would be needed... 04.23.48 # Those 3 seem to work all the time. 04.24.05 # Yes. And the encoder needs to be enabled in the Makefile. 04.25.02 # and hopefully we can just adapt the skel from the mp3 stuff :) 04.25.44 # That's what I planned to study and try to duplicate for opus. 04.26.43 # The only problem I can see is if the target can't sample at 48000Hz. 04.27.13 # The opus encoder has to resample 44100Hz to 48000Hz internally. 04.28.52 # i would look at wavepack_enc.c 04.29.02 # i did not know that... and i wonder where the encoder ist.. no opus_enc.c 04.29.42 # codec_run does most of the actual work of taking data from rockbox and passing it to the encoder 04.30.07 # thats the file you write 04.30.32 # In that case, we may be able to start by copying wavepack-enc.c and then just change the wavpack function calls to opus calls. 04.31.31 # thats what i would do 04.31.47 # yeah 04.32.28 # Sounds like we got a start. Then we need to allow for setting the bitrate. I'm thinking 12, 16, 24, 32, 48, 64, 96 and maybe 128. 04.32.49 # if the encoder supports that... 04.33.31 # The encoder is completely variable. It accepts I believe 6 to insane, like over 300 or something. 04.34.26 # and i believe it does no need resampling. 04.35.00 # 6 to 256 per channel according to opusenc. I'm thinking of pulling out some sane values , probably the ones above should be good for most cases. 04.35.36 # It resamples internally if the input sample rate isn't 48000Hz. 04.36.25 # It may only be a problem from a computational standpoint. Resampling internally will make encoding more expensive. 04.36.50 # leave the insane option open to the user :) maybe one has a great sound source 04.37.33 # Would it be possible to put a text editable value there, e.g. "custom?" 04.38.25 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 04.39.21 # So we could go with 12, 16, 24, 32, 48, 64, 96, 128 and Custom, which could be edited. The only concern would be the high number of possible values in the menu itself. Maybe stop at 64 before custom? It's certainly good enough for recording fm. 04.39.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.44.27 # its just one menu.. you supply some valid codecs... you make steps of 1 or 2 or 3 or whatever.... and specify upper and lower limits 04.44.48 # i mean bitrates.. instead of codecs 04.44.56 # Woe that seems easier than I thought. 04.45.11 # I thought each bitrate needed to be added to the menu. 04.45.16 # if the codec supports those.. 04.45.29 # depends on the menu you choose 04.45.39 # What does it do for the stuff in between the limits. 04.45.49 # but i know there is one which works like that.. (volume e.b) 04.46.09 # Opus can take anything. It likes 22 and 89 just as much as 32 and 64. 04.46.10 # the sampling rate and bit rate are irrelevant until you have the encoder actually working 04.46.17 # true 04.46.25 # hard code them to some sane values and move on for now 04.46.33 # Yeah, you got a point there. 04.47.26 # So for now, I like 64. It's more than good enough in most cases. I would even consider it FM quality. 04.47.48 # go for it :) 04.47.54 # Then we can add a menu as soon as we can get that common bitrate working. 04.48.17 # the main work should be integrating the codec 04.48.22 # Yes. 04.49.35 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 04.49.47 Quit Misanthropos (Quit: Ex-Chat) 04.50.42 # So first thing is to figure out the whole Gerrit thing, and then I'll begin work on getting opus recording working. 04.51.00 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) 04.51.56 # Either that or I can push my local repo somewhere and just send pull requests or something. 04.53.15 # * the-kyle goes to look at the developer wiki. 05.03.01 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 05.09.19 Quit tertu (Remote host closed the connection) 05.20.46 # Looks like Gerrit isn't as difficult as I first thought, so I'll make an attempt to get it set up so I can start coding. 05.21.25 Quit [7] (Disconnected by services) 05.21.39 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.27.54 Quit the-kyle (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 05.44.18 Join the-kyle [0] (~kyle@cpe-098-026-014-050.nc.res.rr.com) 06.03.36 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 06.19.44 Quit DormantBrain (Quit: you broke it :P) 06.23.59 Quit the-kyle (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 06.39.01 Join the-kyle [0] (~kyle@kyle.tk) 06.40.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.42.53 Join Marex [0] (~Marex@195.140.253.167) 06.48.01 Quit Marex (Remote host closed the connection) 06.48.26 Join Marex [0] (~Marex@195.140.253.167) 06.57.12 Quit Marex (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 07.01.50 Quit dfkt (Disconnected by services) 07.01.51 Join dfkt_ [0] (OxO29A@unaffiliated/dfkt) 07.02.51 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 07.16.07 Join |akaWolf| [0] (~akaWolf@188.134.9.161) 07.22.27 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 07.49.25 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 07.52.41 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 07.53.56 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) 08.01.36 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08.05.14 Join kuldeepdhaka [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 08.07.39 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 08.18.35 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.40.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.52.22 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 08.54.14 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 08.54.14 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 08.54.14 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 09.04.57 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 09.15.16 Quit GodEater (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09.20.46 Join GodEater [0] (~whoknows@90.215.242.116) 09.20.46 Quit GodEater (Changing host) 09.20.47 Join GodEater [0] (~whoknows@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 09.22.01 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.35.16 Quit fragilematter (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09.35.21 Join Marex [0] (~Marex@195.140.253.167) 09.50.09 Join fragilematter [0] (~fragilema@unaffiliated/fragilematter) 10.12.41 # [Saint]: (logs) re-added 10.18.10 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.27.51 Quit copper (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 10.28.21 Join copper [0] (~copper@unaffiliated/copper) 10.40.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.53.32 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 10.59.28 # <[Saint]> gevaerts: thank you. 11.00.40 # <[Saint]> Why is it that it was OK for a while and then suddenly decided to freak out? 11.00.59 # * gevaerts does not know 11.01.06 # That test has been there forever though 11.01.18 # <[Saint]> Fair enough. 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Vinyl sounds *better* than this digital stuff! 20.56.47 # it can sound quite nice 20.57.08 # but it takes a lot of effort to play it back nicely 20.57.13 Join tchan [0] (~tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 20.57.49 # digital is so much cheaper :D 20.59.22 # if audio ever goes to 24 bits, there will be people missing the sweet quantisation noise of 16-bit 20.59.57 # not with today's mastering habits :D 21.01.33 Join K1773R [0] (~K1773R@unaffiliated/k1773r) 21.06.52 # but then again who needs 24bits of brickwalled audio? 21.14.46 # i always listen at 130db, i need *at least* 24bit 21.15.22 # yikes 21.15.41 # \m/ 21.16.06 # ZincAlloy: seriously though, I think a vinyl DSP could be moderately popular! 21.16.12 # just keep listenig at deafing levels and the problem will solve itself 21.16.31 # copper: sure! 21.18.37 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.25.26 # j'ouvre une St Feuillien à la vôtre 21.25.44 # Santé! 21.25.58 # just the wrong channel, after all 21.26.00 # :D 21.26.03 # too late 21.26.10 # now we know you're drunk (or you soon will be) 21.47.23 # copper: what editor do you use when making rockbox themes? 21.48.10 # vim 21.48.20 # What Else?™ 21.48.53 # notepad++, what else? 21.50.33 # That's not what George Clooney would use. 21.54.38 # copper: haha ok 22.09.55 Quit kuldeepdhaka (Quit: Leaving) 22.23.05 Quit krabador (Quit: Take the time.) 22.24.00 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 22.26.58 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 22.31.55 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 22.40.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.59.05 Join RiD [0] (Ghost@bl22-28-205.dsl.telepac.pt) 23.38.18 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)