--- Log for 18.04.114 Server: hitchcock.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 9 days and 12 hours ago 00.08.41 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0/20140414143035]) 00.17.31 Quit ender` (Quit: You must know by now we Brits are going metric inch by inch! -- Greg Chapman) 00.19.06 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 00.29.04 Quit RiD (Quit: A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.) 00.31.35 Join RiD [0] (~RiD@188.250.97.128) 01.05.52 Quit teythoon (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 01.06.50 Join teythoon [0] (~teythoon@mail.jade-hamburg.de) 01.07.14 Quit markun (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 01.21.52 Quit Misanthropos (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.44.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.54.51 Join markun [0] (~markun@rockbox/developer/markun) 02.01.00 Quit RiD (Quit: A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.) 02.05.38 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.08.10 Join Vrek [0] (~lao@optima6703.o2.carnet.hr) 02.11.27 Join cmhobbs_ [0] (~cmhobbs@ip98-186-66-92.fv.ks.cox.net) 02.11.55 Quit Vrek (Client Quit) 02.59.59 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 03.44.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.24.12 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.24.12 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.24.16 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.24.16 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.24.16 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.52.16 Join Misanthropos [0] (~Misanthro@frnk-4d01e61a.pool.mediaWays.net) 05.00.40 Join [Saint] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/staff/saint) 05.05.18 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 05.06.47 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.07.53 Quit Misanthropos (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 05.22.00 Join Misanthropos [0] (~Misanthro@frnk-4d01d427.pool.mediaways.net) 05.44.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.03.29 Nick ungali is now known as ungali|away (~ungali@unaffiliated/ungali) 06.03.53 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 06.04.56 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.06.44 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 06.55.40 Quit Misanthropos (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 06.56.26 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Trying new Ubuntu.) 07.44.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.54.35 Join mortalis [0] (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 08.17.20 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.27.57 Join kuldeepdhaka [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 08.47.44 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-178-161.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 09.18.52 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 09.45.01 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 10.10.22 Join Rower [0] (husvagn@h176n2-aeg-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com) 10.13.06 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10.24.07 # soap: 14-Nimbus 10.39.45 # can someone please try PodTwo on an iPod Video? http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=2135&target=ipod6g 10.40.37 # on this picture, it seems that the transparency doesn't work in any of the images https://outpost.fr/tmp/l3C.jpg/ 10.40.51 # the top left and top right icons, and the bottom progressbar 10.42.32 # they're fine in the sim 10.42.40 # maybe the guy just has an old Rockbox build 10.52.51 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 11.04.14 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.19.46 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0/20140414143035]) 11.27.14 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@p5DC51201.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.27.15 Quit kugel (Changing host) 11.27.15 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 11.28.09 # indeed the guy is running Rockbox 3.13 11.28.28 # kugel: hi, could you take a look at FS#12973 if you have some time? 11.28.30 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12973 3%Vs(invert) partially fails with centered or right-aligned content (bugs, unconfirmed) 11.30.39 # copper: I think it's normal that %Vs only starts when the text starts 11.31.10 # gah 11.31.20 # this is why we need guidelines for the theme markup 11.31.57 # oh, you mean the other thing 11.32.11 # CustomWPS is a bit ambigious but it refers to "text style" 11.32.16 # kugel: so I can't have an inverted viewport with centered or right aligned text? 11.32.48 # what about Vf/Vb? 11.33.04 # I've tried everything 11.35.15 # well, it can be fixed, should be trivial due to my put_line() work 11.35.53 # er, I mean I was trying to use the fg and bg colors from the cfg file 11.36.18 # in order to make a theme with which you could change the main color by using the Rockbox color picker 11.37.18 # %St ? 11.37.23 # no 11.37.33 # just %dr() and %Vs(invert) 11.38.08 # anything that uses the foreground color 11.38.51 # i mean can you use %St to pass the cfg values to %Vf? 11.38.58 # i guess not 11.39.00 # no 11.39.11 # someone talked about that recently 11.41.38 # ok 11.42.17 # I could make your case work but that would most likely break lines where twoor three of %al,%ac and %ar are used 11.42.45 # e.g. drawing the center part would draw over the left part 11.44.03 # eh, we don't want that 11.44.41 # right 11.44.42 # it should be a function of the viewport, not the text 11.44.57 # though I guess it doesn't work like that 11.45.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.47.21 # Rockbox 3.14 is sooo overdue 11.47.41 # probably all my themes break on 3.13 11.47.56 # and some users don't say anything 11.48.19 # or don't realize when something is obviously broken 11.54.44 # kugel: it's inconsistent though: I have a viewport with %Vf() and %Vb() and centered text: the background color is applied to the entire line, not just the text 11.55.03 # yes 11.55.16 # but then if I insert %Vs(invert) in there, then the background is applied only on the beginning of the text and to end of the viewport, to the right of the text 11.55.21 # it's not inconsistent, they're simply not the same 11.55.45 # ? 11.56.15 # re 3.14: I'll ask AlexP about it once I see him 12.01.53 # copper: can you try this: http://pastie.org/9089530 12.03.02 # ok 12.09.49 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 12.10.12 # http://pastie.org/9089553 <- fixed maths 12.11.06 # it breaks %ar 12.11.53 # the second paste too? 12.12.02 # no, gonna try the second one now 12.15.28 # er, I don't need to recompile everything, I guess 12.16.11 # No need for make clean on that one 12.17.49 # kugel: everything works :D 12.18.23 # tried %al, %ac, %ar with and without %Vs(invert), and all three at once, with and without %Vs(invert) 12.18.42 # and two of them? 12.19.44 # you mean like: %Vs(invert)%alLeft %Vs(invert)%acCenter? 12.20.44 # that works as if there was only one %Vs(invert) 12.20.52 # %alLeft%arRight 12.21.33 # only one %Vs (probably the last one) per line is effective 12.21.37 # works 12.24.48 # cool 12.25.09 # copper: how would you expect %Vs(invert) to work on its own line? 12.25.27 # apply to the next line, or all remaining ones in the viewport? 12.26.29 # and related, what makes you think it works on its own line at all? 12.27.06 # nah I was just confused with what markup is supposed to be on its own line, and what isn't 12.27.26 # having %Vs(invert) on the same line as the text it's meant to affect, makes perfect sense, don't change that 12.34.42 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.36.38 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 12.40.40 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 12.51.40 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.13.42 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@p5DC52A8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.13.43 Quit kugel (Changing host) 13.13.43 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 13.28.09 Quit mortalis (Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) 13.29.11 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 532b814, 253 builds, 30 clients. 13.30.12 # how do I change the foreground color of the menu only (%Vi)? 13.30.45 # if I set %Vi(...) and then %Vf(...), it changes the foreground color in the WPS 13.30.53 # er 13.30.59 # if I set %Vi(...) and then %Vf(...) in the SBS, it changes the foreground color in the WPS 13.31.59 # copper: use %cs 13.32.36 # %Vi isnt just the the menu viewport, it's for general content 13.33.14 # is there something other than %Vi for displaying the menu? 13.33.37 # there is skinned lists but it doesnt work that well 13.35.25 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 374 seconds. 13.38.16 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 13.40.50 # can't make it work 13.42.18 # damn it 13.43.30 # what's the problem? 13.45.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.45.20 # brb 13.46.18 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 13.54.28 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 13.56.10 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.22.35 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 14.24.46 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 14.42.12 # god, I finally did it 14.42.38 # http://caudec.net/rockbox/Basta-render.png/ 14.42.50 # the top bar's color can finally be changed with the Rockbox color picker 14.43.12 # super hackish, but with kugel's fix, it works 14.49.49 Join rela_ [0] (~x@pD9E5538C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.50.10 Quit rela_ (Changing host) 14.50.10 Join rela_ [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 14.50.18 Quit rela (Disconnected by services) 14.50.20 Nick rela_ is now known as rela (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 14.51.23 Quit rela (Client Quit) 14.51.52 Quit cmhobbs_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 15.09.56 # http://caudec.net/rockbox/latest/Basta.zip 15.18.15 # pixelma_: in order to make the color of the status bar user-settable, like we were talking about, I used %Vs(invert) for text, 1-bit images, and viewports containing a blank space for the background 15.18.49 # nice job copper! 15.18.56 # and %Vb(-) and %Vf(-) to reset the colors previously set for the %Vi() menu 15.19.31 # I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing is the expected behavior or if it's not exploiting some bug 15.20.00 # nrg: I went nearly nuts on that thing :P 15.20.23 # but it seems I have finally reached my "theming wholy grail" 15.20.55 # I'll be able to delete the gazillion Googley themes 15.21.00 # and upload just one 15.26.54 # <[Saint]> I'd hold off on that. 15.27.21 # <[Saint]> I'm pretty sure the fix just broke deliberate behavior. 15.28.02 # [Saint]: fun killer! 15.28.30 # [Saint]: just kidding. what broke? 15.28.32 # doubtful 15.28.51 # <[Saint]> Why so? 15.29.02 # <[Saint]> Is it too hard to imagine it was edded for a reason? 15.29.05 # copper: that would be AWESOME! if you could use color picker for your googley themes 15.29.06 # <[Saint]> *added 15.29.08 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12973?getfile=25000 15.29.23 # amayer: Basta is an evolution of the Googley themes 15.29.33 # [Saint]: see the screenshot ^ 15.29.41 # that is definitely not something anyone would want 15.29.44 # but i dont like the graphic graphic battery 15.29.52 Join Misanthropos [0] (~Misanthro@frnk-4d01d427.pool.mediaWays.net) 15.29.55 # <[Saint]> Don't confuse you, with anyone. 15.30.03 # amayer: set the battery to "numerical" 15.30.08 # <[Saint]> Wait until JdGordon_ comments on this. 15.30.20 # <[Saint]> He had a reason to do it like this in the first place. 15.30.28 # uh? 15.30.37 # <[Saint]> Someone coming and wiping that out without consultation doesn't sit right with me. 15.30.56 # <[Saint]> Without so much asking if its intended bahavior or not. 15.31.06 # <[Saint]> To fit a single case, no less. 15.31.22 # dude, it's obviously a bug 15.31.44 # without %Vs(invert), the whole viewport line is drawn 15.31.50 # <[Saint]> It may be, but, don;t get too attached to the fix just yet. 15.31.53 # with it, before the fix, only part of it would be drawn 15.32.22 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 15.34.10 # <[Saint]> Its all very well to say "its obviously a bug", and it may be. 15.34.24 # <[Saint]> But you don;t know there's no themes out there that use the "bugged" behavior. 15.34.37 # well that's always a problem 15.34.39 # <[Saint]> ...which would now be broken. 15.34.44 # it was a problem with kugel's other fixes 15.35.00 # and some of the themes that haven't been fixed since then, are now broken 15.35.03 # <[Saint]> Well, I'd like to see JdGordon_ at least comment on this. 15.35.14 # <[Saint]> Preferably before commit, but that moment is passed. 15.35.20 # but if you guys are going to stop kugel from fixing what needs to be fixed… 15.35.58 # <[Saint]> Ohhhh fuck off. That's not it and you know it. 15.36.03 # <[Saint]> DOn;t throw your toys dude. 15.37.18 # what if some themes use the "bugged behavior" 15.37.19 # then what 15.37.33 # I had to fix my own themes the last times 15.38.27 # <[Saint]> I'm sure there's a way to allow this to behave as originally intended, *and* consume the entire line. 15.38.27 # and now my own themes are broken on Rockbox 3.13 15.38.32 # <[Saint]> It doesn;t need to be either or. 15.38.42 # do you even know the original intent? 15.38.58 # <[Saint]> It was only supposed to affect the text. 15.39.06 # except it didn't 15.39.29 # it affected text and all the space to the right of it, until the end of the viewport line 15.40.27 # and, again, the default behavior without %Vs(invert) is to paint the entire line, including around the text, with the background color 15.40.44 # why would %Vs(invert) only work on the text then 15.40.49 # woudln't make any sense 15.41.08 # <[Saint]> My understanding of the intended behavior was that it was only supposed to affect the text until it hit another tag, so you could do weird shit with several foreground/background colors on a single line. 15.44.30 # <[Saint]> IFF that was the intent, and anyone's using it, they're now rather unhappy. 15.45.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.46.04 # <[Saint]> And, don;t get me wrong, I understand that would be a kick in the ass for you - but I'm sure there's a way this could work for everyone. 15.46.56 # I've done my share of working around bugs when there was no-one to fix them 15.47.15 # (while reporting them on flyspray) 15.48.55 # <[Saint]> I'll reserve complete judgement for the moment its actually confirmed or denied as a bug or intended behavior. 15.51.13 # amayer: I meant, you can set the "Battery Display" setting in the Theme Settings to "numerical" 15.51.19 # if that wasn't clear 15.51.32 # <[Saint]> Playing Devil's advocate is some tough work... :/ 15.52.46 # I don't know why you're so resistant all of the sudden 15.53.32 # <[Saint]> I don't know why you can't see that I would like it confirmed that this isn;t wiping out intended behavior. 15.53.50 # <[Saint]> Its easier for me as I don;t have a personal stake in this, I can see the other side. 15.54.14 # <[Saint]> Do I want you issue fixed? Yes. Do I want it to undo intended behavior? No. 15.54.33 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 15.54.39 # <[Saint]> Its nothing personal. 15.54.58 # because 1) it's obviously broken, and 2) I really don't want to have to wait for others to check it out, because that could take a _long_ time 15.55.13 # also, I take exception to the "To fit a single case, no less." bit 15.55.25 # <[Saint]> Good. 15.55.28 # <[Saint]> You can do that. 15.55.38 # when kugel fixed it, I checked out the other cases that I was NOT using, to make sure it was working coherently 15.56.35 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 16.00.17 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16.06.17 # I can see how acting only on the text (and not the space around it on the same line, to each end of the viewport) would be desirable 16.06.41 # but then you would need to fix the default behavior and only draw the background color on the text 16.06.49 # and make the rest of the line transparent 16.07.06 # which will also likely break some themes 16.08.36 # whatever is decided, it needs to be coherent 16.09.11 # <[Saint]> I certainly agree there. 16.09.18 # ok, good 16.11.00 # * [Saint] waits for his Jolla to be delivered 16.11.15 # * [Saint] pretends he meant to say that here 16.11.22 Quit fragilematter (Quit: Leaving.) 16.11.25 # bbiab 16.16.43 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@i16-les01-ntr-212-194-176-149.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr) 16.21.32 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 16.28.29 Join cmhobbs_ [0] (~cmhobbs@wsip-70-166-128-87.fv.ks.cox.net) 16.28.33 Quit Misanthropos (Remote host closed the connection) 16.28.58 Quit rela (Quit: Leaving) 16.33.07 # [Saint]: actually if you really want to do it right, you'd need to separate the background color and transparency of the viewport, and the bg and fg colors and transparency of the text itself 16.33.28 # only then will you have something that's manageable in all situations 16.34.08 # something like %Vb() and %Tb() / %Tf() 16.34.17 # well not Tf, that's used already 16.34.23 # but you get the idea 16.35.26 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 16.35.42 # but that too will break themes 16.35.48 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@p5DC52A8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.35.48 Quit kugel (Changing host) 16.35.48 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 16.36.14 # that's the price for correcting past mistakes and oversights, and improving the thing 16.36.18 # [Saint]: what are you on? anyway, you're wrong 16.38.21 # <[Saint]> You're 100% aware of the intended behavior then? 16.38.54 # yes 16.39.10 # you couldn't use multiple %Vs on a single line 16.39.37 # the text is drawn once at the end of evaluating all tags 16.39.50 # with a single possible style 16.40.32 # brb 16.40.35 # and that you couldn't start the style at the beginning of the line rather than the beginning of the text was a limitation of the code in pre-put_line() days 16.44.27 Quit cmhobbs_ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 16.46.10 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 16.48.01 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 16.51.11 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 16.51.36 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 16.53.09 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 16.57.39 Join ygrek_ [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 16.58.20 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 17.00.58 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 17.06.27 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17.09.10 Quit ygrek_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 17.17.44 Join Misanthropos [0] (~Misanthro@frnk-4d01d427.pool.mediaWays.net) 17.42.08 # erm 17.42.16 # turns out I don't even need %Vs(invert) 17.44.15 # <[Saint]> :) 17.45.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.45.34 # still, a bug got fixed 17.49.31 # gah 17.49.51 # the solutions for the whole thing eluded me for quite a while 17.51.06 # themeing is so quirky 18.27.44 Join cmhobbs_ [0] (~cmhobbs@ip98-186-66-92.fv.ks.cox.net) 18.45.25 Quit Misanthropos (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 18.48.32 # amayer: I fixed the colors, now you should be able to use Basta-Blue.cfg, set the battery display to "numeric", and have something that looks a lot like Googley-Blue 18.48.50 # http://caudec.net/rockbox/latest/Basta.zip 18.48.55 # http://caudec.net/rockbox/Basta.png/ 18.49.06 # aaaand, my work is done. 18.49.54 # you'll also note that all colors are RGB 565 compliant, as opposed to the Googley themes that used RGB 888 backdrops, which ended up dithered by Rockbox 18.50.18 # not that it should make a huge difference visually on the device itself, but it's, like, erm, cleaner :P 18.51.02 # it's also more functional than Googley 18.53.52 Join Misanthropos [0] (~Misanthro@frnk-4d01d427.pool.mediaWays.net) 18.54.39 Join RiD [0] (~RiD@188.250.97.128) 19.11.56 Quit krnlyng (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 19.14.19 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 19.19.26 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@83.175.90.24) 19.45.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.50.08 # copper: what does it do differently then googley? I see somethings are in different spots, and Icons are turned off. 19.51.23 # other than what you can see on the screenshots, the big difference is that it doesn't use backdrop or images for the status bar 19.51.44 # and the colors of the status bar can be changed in the Theme Settings → Colors menu 19.51.50 # with the Rockbox color picker 19.52.13 # while you were limited with Googley to the colors that I chose myself, you can now use whatever colors you like 19.52.41 Quit Misanthropos (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19.53.25 # it's something that I've wanted to do for a while, but couldn't figure out 19.53.51 # I like the googley status bar a little better. the white bars and the HD indicator 19.54.04 # eh 19.54.08 # but changes colors is a super cool feature 19.54.30 # the googley status bar was wasting useful real estate, IMO 19.55.02 # the other difference is that Basta is set for 14pt fonts only, contrary to Googley which can handle 14pt and 19pt 19.55.34 # with Googley I was trying to please people who need a larger font, but with this kind of layout, there's not enough space for a larger font 19.55.37 # (IMO) 19.57.19 # I have other themes available for people who need a larger font 19.57.22 # copper: you do continue to amaze me with your themes tho :) 19.57.26 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@p5DC52A8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.57.26 Quit kugel (Changing host) 19.57.26 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 19.57.27 # thanks :) 19.58.17 # there's a nearly pristine iPod 2G for sale on eBay at 20 bucks, ending in 20 minutes, if anyone wanna snipe it https://outpost.fr/kfR 19.58.18 # after you stared makeing themes I stopped because I just ended up using yours anyway. and ive been super busy with paying side projects... I wish I could devote more time to rockbox. 19.58.38 # copper: what happened? 19.58.48 # kugel: ? 19.58.59 # you said you dont need Vs 19.59.23 # yeah I figured out that not only did I not needed, I shouldn't use it in this particular case 19.59.28 # need it* 19.59.32 # why? 19.59.55 # because I thought I was stuck with the user settable white background color 20.00.08 # so I used fg to set the color of the status bar 20.00.33 # then I figured out that I could have a big white viewport beneath everything else 20.00.53 # to "lock" the white background no matter what the user settable bg color is set to 20.01.15 # the color is now used only for the top bar? 20.01.21 # yup 20.01.26 # everything else is forced 20.02.12 # copper: what does statusbar_border do? and is it a transparent bitmap? 20.02.20 # yeah, 30% black 20.02.38 # to produce the same effect that was "hardcoded" into the backdrops in Googley 20.02.51 # o.O I didnt know you could have a transparent bitmap 20.03.00 # yeah [Saint] told me about it a while ago 20.03.08 # 32 bit ARGB 20.03.45 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 20.03.45 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 20.03.45 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 20.04.40 # the battery is black but white in the theme? is it some kind of mask? 20.05.38 # 1 bit 20.05.52 # black takes the fg color, white takes the bg color 20.06.26 # amayer: btw, there's still the "Status Bar" theme setting trick for changing the last metadata line in the WPS 20.06.50 # cool :) 20.06.55 # codec with Status Bar Off, next track with Status Bar Top, alternating line with Status Bar Bottom 20.07.26 # and the first two also alternate when pressing pause 20.08.01 # I might modify this a little just to get the color changing functionality but for my personal tasted the extra info in the status bar and playing bar are a little overkill 20.12.37 Quit fs-bluebot (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.14.02 Quit bluebrother (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.15.18 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@f053155181.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.16.10 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 20.19.54 # about the icons, I figured that they never helped me visually to access items faster 20.20.30 # I actually dislike them now 20.20.56 # I dont use them often but I have some bands that have a mix of folders and music in the same folder. and I make alot of bookmarks for podcasts... so i use them on occasion 20.21.15 # copper: you can still provide them. there's a setting to disable icons 20.21.21 # did you totally take them out of the theme? 20.22.42 # kugel: I'm actually using an "empty" icon file in order to add a slight margin to the left of the menu 20.23.06 # I need it so that the selection includes that margin 20.23.46 # without that trick, it wouldn't look as good 20.24.00 # there is a margin automatically due to the scrollbar 20.25.42 # the scrollbar is set to the right in my themes 20.27.53 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 20.28.54 # oh 20.29.09 # i dislike no icons 20.29.18 # but that's my personal opinion of course 20.33.44 # design requires choices 20.34.41 # and last time I tried to accomodate everyone, I nearly went nuts :P 20.35.28 # the thing being, that everyone has their own pet peeve, but it's never the same one 20.35.49 # one guy wants a big font, another wants next track info, another wants icons, etc 20.36.00 # <[Saint]> Why not shift the menu with a ui viewport instead? 20.36.14 # [Saint]: I don't know what you mean? 20.36.27 # <[Saint]> Instead of transparent icons. 20.36.45 # can you translate that in theme markup? 20.37.05 # <[Saint]> Not on my phone at 6am ;) 20.37.19 # I use %Vi() for the menu 20.37.48 # shifting it will also shift the current selection in the menu 20.39.32 # I don't know how I can specify a margin within the UI viewport 20.39.55 # yea, you can't 20.40.50 # <[Saint]> Ah, right. I see. Hmmm. 20.41.14 # <[Saint]> I had to solve this by using my own custom build, sadly. As I think losing icons is a huge usability issue. 20.41.44 # <[Saint]> I just used magic to append a single space to the start of every list item string. 20.42.12 # <[Saint]> But that had the huge disadvantage of only working for *that one theme*, on *that one build*. :) 20.44.04 # meh 20.44.40 # %?C<%Vd(art)|%Vd(noart)> doesn't work after switching to a different theme 20.44.46 # it works again after rebooting 20.45.03 # <[Saint]> If you don't have show extensions on, it becomes impossible to navigate. 20.45.06 # <[Saint]> re: icons. 20.45.13 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 20.45.15 # uh? 20.45.37 # define "impossible to navigate" 20.45.54 # <[Saint]> If you use the file browser, then you're pretty much fucked for telling whats a folder and whats a file. 20.45.56 # can't tell the difference between folders and files 20.46.17 # then show the extension, or fix your directory tree 20.46.48 # I don't really want to picture what kind of awful directory structure would be a problem with that 20.46.55 # "you need to fix your files to use this theme"? 20.47.03 # <[Saint]> Nice attitude. 20.48.03 # my attitude is to make choices 20.48.20 # perhaps you can have a theme variant with icons 20.48.46 # and I have zero problems navigating my collection 20.48.59 # I don't have random directories everywhere 20.49.10 # and showing file extensions is an easy fix 20.49.27 # don't you show file extensions on your PC? 20.50.20 # <[Saint]> Its OK to say "I don't care, this is for my sole use case". That's fine. 20.50.36 # I do care 20.51.08 # but I don't see how showing file extensions is such a horrible workaround 20.51.35 # though I guess you might not see it immediately with long filenames 20.52.25 # im guessing there isnt a way to force "if icons are on use this icon set and if icons are off use this blank icon set"? 20.52.33 # <[Saint]> with a ~18pt font it doesn't even need to be that long. 20.52.54 # <[Saint]> amayer: nope. the clue is on the question. 20.52.57 Join rela_ [0] (~x@pD9E567E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.53.01 # <[Saint]> "if icons are off" 20.53.06 # <[Saint]> If icons are off, they're off. 20.53.43 # i wasnt sure if it was like "statusbar: on" then have %wd in the theme 20.54.18 # "icons: on" %weird rule that ignores all settings and puts icon on anyway 20.55.02 Join rela__ [0] (~x@pD9E5624D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.55.10 # <[Saint]> the only setting it could ignore that is relevant is "icons: off" 20.55.22 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 20.55.38 # by setting an icon theme to: - 20.55.47 # yeah... 20.56.26 # <[Saint]> That's saying "there's no icons file here", basically. 20.56.33 # yup 20.56.52 # <[Saint]> But icons: on won't override that. 20.57.19 # <[Saint]> Well, icons are still techincally "on", just...there's nothing to display. 20.57.40 # <[Saint]> So nothing is actually being ignored. 20.58.03 Quit rela_ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 20.58.27 # <[Saint]> There just isn't a way to display icons, regardless of the loaded iconset, when icons: off is set. 20.58.58 # eh, there's an easy fix 20.59.10 # I'll just create my own icon set 20.59.12 # <[Saint]> supply two icons strips? 21.00.56 # <[Saint]> the uploader might bitch about that though - I dunno. Not sure how it feels about "extra" bitmaps. 21.01.11 # <[Saint]> I'm sure you've tested its limits in this regard before. 21.01.22 Quit Rower (Quit: Hmmm...) 21.02.00 # <[Saint]> If it does cry about it, you could trick it - but I'm not sure I should say how until it becomes and issue, if it becomes an issue, and probably not in public. :) 21.03.21 # do I need the newest build for the basta theme? 21.03.32 # <[Saint]> Almost certainly. 21.03.46 # <[Saint]> And you should be using it anyway, really. 21.04.00 # <[Saint]> 3.13 is ancient. 21.04.28 # I run dev builds (see: ipod 6g) 21.05.17 # <[Saint]> Oh - right. I misparsed the question. I see what you were asking now. 21.10.23 Quit dfkt (Remote host closed the connection) 21.15.15 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 21.15.17 # 19:03:21 UTC do I need the newest build for the basta theme? 21.15.19 # I'm not sure 21.15.28 # I'm not using %Vs(invert) anymore 21.15.47 # i updated JIC] 21.15.51 # [Saint]: I'll just make an icon set that I can live with 21.16.09 # to address the issue of menu item type (not just files and directories) 21.16.49 # thanks for pointing it out 21.29.54 # is there a list of type indexes? 21.29.59 # for the icons file 21.30.04 # what is 0, what is 1, etc 21.30.42 # <[Saint]> No, its used fairly inconsistently throughout some places too iirc. 21.31.29 # <[Saint]> The options are basically refer to source, or look and see what cabbie is doing. 21.37.10 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 21.37.31 # ugh 21.38.39 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 21.38.50 # <[Saint]> There was at one point I assume the intention of "this is the foo icon, and this is the bar icon, and this is the baz icon", but as more and more things got added over time people just started picking the one that looked right in a particular setting it seems. 21.39.26 # <[Saint]> Its /mostly/ consistent. 21.40.00 # <[Saint]> viewer icons are downright messed up, though. 21.43.10 Quit uwe_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 21.45.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.45.22 Quit kuldeepdhaka (Remote host closed the connection) 21.47.27 Join ulmutul [0] (~chatzilla@wprt-4db6c5a9.pool.mediaWays.net) 21.47.27 Join uwe_ [0] (~uwe_@dslb-088-064-063-098.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.01.15 # What does "HAVE_SDL" exactly mean? Simulator something? 22.03.21 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 22.26.57 # AlexP: ping 22.29.47 # ulmutul: it means we link to SDL 22.29.59 # like in the simulator or for some forms of RaaA 22.31.07 # Yes, I found out is has to do with the simulator... what is SDL? 22.32.31 # ... or what does the acronym stand for? 22.33.22 # http://www.libsdl.org/ 22.36.26 # Ah ok. 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