--- Log for 19.04.114 Server: hitchcock.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 10 days and 12 hours ago 00.27.35 Join dexpid [0] (~dexpid@cpe-184-59-114-126.cinci.res.rr.com) 00.51.23 Quit the-kyle (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 00.56.05 # <[Saint]> copper: likely irrelevant now, since you're fixing it, or have fixed it, but I thought of two real-world scenarios that depend on icons being displayed: 00.56.18 Join varogami [0] (~varogami@dynamic-adsl-78-13-200-16.clienti.tiscali.it) 00.56.33 # <[Saint]> 1 - Directory picker for Database 'directories to scan'. 00.56.47 # <[Saint]> 2 - "shopper.rock" list plugin. 00.58.55 Join the-kyle [0] (~kyle@kyle.tk) 01.03.10 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 29.0/20140414143035]) 01.34.43 Join ulmutul_ [0] (~chatzilla@wprt-5d835c65.pool.mediaWays.net) 01.35.40 Part ulmutul_ 01.36.38 Quit ulmutul (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 01.39.03 Join Misanthropos [0] (~Misanthro@frnk-4d01d427.pool.mediaWays.net) 01.39.18 Join us`0gb [0] (~0gb.us@c-50-137-60-25.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 01.45.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.20.03 Quit varogami (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8) 02.42.17 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.43.53 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.45.05 Quit us`0gb (Remote host closed the connection) 03.00.00 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 03.36.02 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.45.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.23.04 Join rela_ [0] (~x@pD9E55478.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 04.23.14 Join pixelma [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.23.15 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.23.16 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.23.21 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.26.34 Quit rela__ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 04.27.21 Quit pixelma_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 04.45.03 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 05.03.35 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-232-5.mcn.bellsouth.net) 05.07.19 Quit Misanthropos (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 05.07.48 Join CaptainKewl [0] (~captainke@207-237-110-248.c3-0.nyr-ubr2.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 05.41.29 Quit ungali|away (Quit: ungali|away) 05.45.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.45.51 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 06.02.22 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 06.03.38 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.11.03 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 06.12.01 Join [Saint] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/staff/saint) 06.15.13 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 06.18.27 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 06.34.41 Join us`0gb [0] (~0gb.us@c-50-137-60-25.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 07.04.43 # <[Saint]> Hmmmm. 07.05.18 # <[Saint]> Is it possible to display a splash if a theme or font is likely to totally fuck the user's experience? 07.07.08 # <[Saint]> Something to the effect of (but not worded as such) "the font you are attempting to load does not support glyphs required by your locale, this may render the device unusable - proceed? [Yes|No]" 07.07.47 # <[Saint]> The fact that we can't (apparently) check for this annoys the shit out of me but I don't know how to handle it. 07.10.02 Join goom [0] (~goomba@cpe-72-177-176-215.satx.res.rr.com) 07.10.02 # <[Saint]> The only way I can think of doing it is with the theme alone, and if I do that I can't make the user aware that the theme may not display as intended and it requires that I duplicate every textual viewport and supply conditions to check the currently loaded lang file. 07.11.06 # <[Saint]> And that would also involve hardcoding fonts, which I really hate. 07.12.10 # <[Saint]> (and wasting RAM by preloading two or more font sets) 07.12.34 # <[Saint]> - the latter isn't so much of an issue save for lowmem. 07.15.05 Quit goom (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 07.45.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.01.23 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 08.07.53 # weird, when using icons, the entire UI viewport (menu) is shifter 1 pixel to the right 08.07.57 # shifted* 08.08.36 # <[Saint]> Did you see my post earlier regarding stuff that falls over without icons? 08.09.02 # yup 08.09.19 # <[Saint]> There might be more, those are just the ones I know of. 08.09.29 # I really dislike icons 08.09.31 # <[Saint]> I really wish I could solve this locale problem logically. 08.09.38 # <[Saint]> wrt: font 08.10.13 # <[Saint]> copper: I understand that, but unfortunately, without them, you're rendering multiple parts of the FW unusable. 08.10.17 # right now I'm just displaying a dot in front of directories 08.10.43 # <[Saint]> One icon you absolutely need is the icon for the line selector. 08.10.45 # https://outpost.fr/tmp/VUb.png/ 08.10.48 # <[Saint]> This gets used in various places. 08.10.54 # the what? 08.11.06 # <[Saint]> (in the tango iconset its a small green arrow) 08.11.22 # where is it used? 08.11.42 # <[Saint]> Remember there's a line selector mode that uses an icon? It gets used in the directory picker for the database directories to scan option. 08.12.07 # <[Saint]> Without it, there's no way to tell what directory is selected. 08.12.11 # Line Selector: Pointer? 08.12.15 # * [Saint] nods 08.13.19 # <[Saint]> Copy from the tango iconset, you'll need 32 icons. 08.13.34 # <[Saint]> (or at least 32 positions in the strip) 08.13.40 # I know 08.14.01 # <[Saint]> Viewer icons can be arbitrarily defined, though. 08.14.36 # I have no idea what those are 08.14.48 # <[Saint]> They're the filetype icons. 08.15.01 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 08.15.34 # <[Saint]> (copy what tango is doing if you're unsure) 08.16.25 # the documentation about those is horribly lacking 08.25.23 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 08.26.53 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 08.27.08 Join goom [0] (~goomba@cpe-72-177-176-215.satx.res.rr.com) 08.27.32 Part goom 08.28.20 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 08.31.16 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p4FF89669.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 08.31.43 Quit rela_ (Quit: Leaving) 08.31.57 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 08.34.02 Quit [Saint] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.35.05 Join [Saint] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/staff/saint) 08.35.30 Quit einhirn (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08.40.52 Quit CaptainKewl (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.42.39 Quit SuperBrainAK (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 08.42.55 Join DormantBrain [0] (~andy@74.112.200.73) 08.43.10 Nick DormantBrain is now known as SuperBrainAK (~andy@74.112.200.73) 08.57.20 # [Saint]: what about "filetype colours"? 09.13.08 Quit pixelma (Quit: No Ping reply in 120 seconds.) 09.14.23 Join pixelma [0] (quassel@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 09.19.00 # nevermind, I don't want to give files and directories different colors 09.19.34 # anyway, I've made an "empty" icon set that has an empty arrow for directories, and a plain arrow for the selector 09.19.49 # i.e. the bare minimum 09.19.57 # I can live with that 09.21.08 # https://outpost.fr/tmp/qRJ.png/ 09.21.13 # https://outpost.fr/tmp/gqw.png/ 09.27.13 # actually I'm gonna use the plain arrow for both 09.27.18 # more visible 09.39.06 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09.45.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.55.22 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 10.07.01 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.09.11 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 11.38.03 Join ender1 [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 11.40.39 Quit ender` (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 11.45.28 Quit Provel (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 11.45.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.45.54 Join Provel [0] (~Provel@75-132-32-77.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 11.50.32 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 11.51.59 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 11.52.57 Join [Saint] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/staff/saint) 11.53.30 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 12.03.01 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.06.44 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p4FF89669.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.26.56 Quit einhirn (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 12.41.12 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 12.44.18 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 12.54.03 Quit dfkt (Remote host closed the connection) 12.54.47 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 12.55.39 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@i16-les01-ntr-212-194-176-149.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr) 12.59.41 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@p5DC5202D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.59.41 Quit kugel (Changing host) 12.59.41 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 13.18.54 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@ip117-49-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) 13.18.54 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 13.18.54 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 13.32.30 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 13.45.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.46.28 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.03.47 Quit [Saint] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.05.28 Join Scr0mple [0] (~Simon@161.43.73.67) 14.08.32 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-62-44.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) 14.08.32 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 14.08.33 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 14.09.56 Quit scorche (Disconnected by services) 14.10.00 Join scorche` [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 14.10.16 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 14.10.33 Join [7] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 14.11.27 Join tweek_ [0] (~tweek@irc.cloud.tilaa.com) 14.14.50 Quit Scromple (*.net *.split) 14.14.50 Quit JdGordon_ (*.net *.split) 14.14.50 Quit tweek__ (*.net *.split) 14.14.50 Quit tchan (*.net *.split) 14.14.50 Quit eternnoir (*.net *.split) 14.14.50 Quit Guest81512 (*.net *.split) 14.18.34 Join tchan [0] (~tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 14.20.43 Join eternnoir [0] (sid13219@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ariayidxokravood) 14.23.17 Join [Saint] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/staff/saint) 14.29.23 Join Guest80912 [0] (Slayer@c-69-143-187-144.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 14.47.44 # <[Saint]> copper: what about the shopper plugin? 14.47.55 # <[Saint]> (I can't remember what icon that uses off the top of my head) 14.48.50 Quit babylonlurker (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 14.48.59 Join babylonlurker [0] (~quassel@veda.xs4all.nl) 15.22.24 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 15.34.15 # [Saint]: I don't see a "shopper" plugin 15.35.48 # <[Saint]> That's...odd. 15.35.58 # <[Saint]> There's no reason why the Classic shouldn't have it. 15.37.13 # do you mean chopper? 15.37.22 # <[Saint]> I do not. 15.37.28 # <[Saint]> /.rockbox/rocks/viewers/shopper.rock 15.37.32 # <[Saint]> Its definitely there. 15.37.50 # I don't see it on my Classic, nor in the Video sim 15.37.54 # <[Saint]> I don't have a target with me right now, but the sources and a compiled build tell me it exists. 15.38.12 # <[Saint]> Ah. Its a viewer. 15.38.30 # <[Saint]> That's why you're not seeign it. 15.38.33 # yeah 15.38.36 # I see the file 15.38.47 # <[Saint]> "open with" a text file. 15.38.56 # <[Saint]> You should see it in the context menu. 15.39.12 # <[Saint]> If you see no icons when its open, she's broke. 15.39.52 # <[Saint]> (load up the default theme to see how its supposed to look afterwards, if it isn't using the line selector icon (which I don't think it is)) 15.40.32 # wth is that plugin 15.40.42 # <[Saint]> A shopping list. 15.41.34 # <[Saint]> Build a list of items, and then check them off as you purchase them (where icon support becomes necessary) 15.42.06 # <[Saint]> There's almost certainly other plugins/viewers that use icons that I'm forgetting, too. 15.42.28 # it uses the pointer icon 15.42.43 # <[Saint]> Aha. Excellent. 15.43.03 # <[Saint]> If I find any more cases before you do, I'll let you know. 15.45.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.55.22 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@p5DC5202D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.55.22 Quit kugel (Changing host) 15.55.22 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 16.01.36 Quit [7] (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 16.02.51 Join RiD [0] (~RiD@188.250.97.128) 16.03.12 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 16.08.41 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 16.20.52 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 16.32.52 Join ulmutul [0] (~chatzilla@wprt-5d835c65.pool.mediaWays.net) 16.45.41 # finaly it's done - my "big one": g#786 16.45.43 # 3Gerrit review #786 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/786 : 3Vibe500: improved scrollstrip driver by Sebastian Leonhardt 16.46.16 # wodz: I'm sure you already waited for it :p 16.46.56 # I'll be happy if you can have a look at it. Take your time, I'll be some days away. 17.03.29 # why do text files have the icon of a directory 17.13.02 # the "Works with release 3.13" bit on the theme site is now wrong for many themes (including mine) 17.13.10 Part ulmutul 17.13.17 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-232-5.mcn.bellsouth.net) 17.14.55 # I do specify in the description of my themes that a dev build is required, but I'm not sure everyone even reads it 17.20.26 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17.37.24 # "show filename exts is not a allowed theme setting." 17.37.25 # ffs 17.45.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.04.31 # Basta uploaded to the theme site, Ash / PodOne / PodTwo updated to include icons for pointer and directories 18.11.26 Quit the-kyle (Remote host closed the connection) 18.17.50 Join the-kyle [0] (~kyle@kyle.tk) 18.27.00 Quit pamaury (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 18.27.20 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 18.44.13 Quit pamaury (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 18.44.22 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 19.17.04 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@p5DC5202D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.17.04 Quit kugel (Changing host) 19.17.04 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 19.19.24 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 19.28.16 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 19.29.46 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 19.45.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.11.45 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 20.11.50 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 20.14.48 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 20.15.05 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.16.43 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g224239026.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.40.27 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.54.29 Quit amiconn (Quit: No Ping reply in 64 seconds.) 20.55.15 Join amiconn [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.09.57 Join dfkt|a [0] (~androirc@unaffiliated/dfkt) 21.14.23 Quit dfkt|a (Client Quit) 21.15.07 Join dfkt|a [0] (~androirc@unaffiliated/dfkt) 21.34.56 Quit dfkt|a (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 21.39.34 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 21.45.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.32.18 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@p5DC50AC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.32.19 Quit kugel (Changing host) 22.32.19 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 22.38.29 Quit kugel (Quit: leaving) 22.53.00 Join havre [0] (~havre@151.236.6.106) 22.55.15 # arh fuk, my sandisk clip craps up with "Data abort at 00" i cannot remove the battery, is there another way of restarting? 22.56.04 # afraid that its bricked now. No connection when i plug it to a pc 22.56.56 # Have you tried a hard reset? 22.57.45 # not possible 22.57.58 Part havre 22.59.03 # * gevaerts is impressed by trying a hard reset not being possible 23.24.06 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 23.44.25 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@p5DC50AC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.44.25 Quit kugel (Changing host) 23.44.25 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.45.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"