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11.58.39 #       <lebellium> hum
11.58.53 #       <lebellium> Clip Zip TI83 theme is gone from the website?!
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12.00.18 #       <lebellium> oh minimalist too
12.00.26 #       <lebellium> http://nkorth.com/projects/rockbox-themes.htm
12.00.42 #       <lebellium> does anyone know why he removed his themes?
12.01.47 #       <lebellium> minimalist is still there, my bad
12.06.38 #       <copper> [Saint]: you should commit your shutdown patch, it's so useful
12.07.16 #       <copper> and "shut down" should be displayed in the main menu by default
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12.15.13 #       <copper> [Saint]: except with "Shut Down", both words capitalized
12.16.19 #       <copper> lebellium: maybe it no longer worked?
12.16.31 #       <copper> or he considered it obsolete
12.16.45 #       <lebellium> copper: I found his email. I'll ask him :)
12.17.09 #       <lebellium> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,48168.0.html suggests that it no longer worked
12.18.08 #       <copper> do you feel like fixing it? :D
12.19.10 #       <lebellium> I fixed many themes which were broken due to kugel's commit as you know
12.20.24 #       <lebellium> some authors replied and uploaded my fix, some others never read my PM yet :)
12.20.40 #       <copper> nice of you
12.22.24 #       <lebellium> I contacted Kiwicam for his Alien theme fix
12.22.54 #       <lebellium> but he didn't come back to the rockbox forum since then
12.23.11 #       <lebellium> Last Active: 11 February 2013,
12.23.13 #       <lebellium> :(
12.24.33 #       <copper> eh, he probably has some kind of real life thing going on :P
12.25.38 #       <lebellium> well I bring the fix, I just need the author to upload it, that doesn't take much time :D
12.26.24 #       <copper> yeah but first he needs to visit the forum
12.26.33 #       <copper> to even be aware of your PM
12.27.47 #       <lebellium> I thought people had email notification when they get a PM :(
12.29.54 #       <copper> not if they deactivated the email notification feature
12.30.16 #       <copper> I thought I deactivated it myself, but apparently not
12.30.47 #       <copper> they also may have restricted PMs to admins
12.31.14 #       <copper> though I don't know if you would have gotten an error when sending your PM
12.35.17 #       <lebellium> it's also a pity that the author doesn't get an email notification when his theme is no longer working with current build
12.35.22 #       <lebellium> that would probably help
12.38.14 #       <copper> that would help with errors that the WPS parser catches
12.38.52 #       <copper> not with modifications to the theme engine that break themes without impacting WPS markup
12.46.50 #       <copper> I was wondering if it would be a good idea to add a field in the theme uploader for the earliest Rockbox version that the theme author knows to be required for their themes
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13.12.00 #       <[Saint]> There's absolutely no point in displaying Shut down in the main menu for targets that have a ahrdware butten to do so.
13.12.12 #       <[Saint]> Its only primarily useful for App targets.
13.12.50 #       <[Saint]> (also, although there's places in the menus where it may be inconsistent, we don't do Title Case)
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13.14.41 #       <copper> [Saint]: it beats holding Play for 3-5 seconds
13.20.13 #       <[Saint]> Not when there's the extra step of having to jump back to the main menu.
13.20.25 #       <[Saint]> Physical key is accessible from anywhere.
13.20.53 #       <[Saint]> Anyway - it wouldn't get committed as is, let alone if it defaulted on.
13.30.36 #       <copper> ok, I'll keep it for myself then :)
13.33.24 #       <[Saint]> The comments on gerrit indicate the likelihood fo it being committed.
13.33.39 #       <[Saint]> I haven't had any time or inclination to bring it up to an acceptable state.
13.33.58 #       <copper> fo sho
13.34.57 #       <[Saint]> word.
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14.52.14 #       <user890104> [Saint]: what patch?
14.53.15 #       <user890104> a shutdown option would be very useful if the physical button is broken
14.53.53 #       <user890104> (like the play button of the guy who asked for support last night in the freemyipod channel)
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14.56.13 #       <[Saint]> user890104: http://pastebin.com/feXTYRWt
14.56.57 #       <[Saint]> (allows shutdown as a configurable main menu item, disabled by default)
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15.11.49 #       <copper> eh, found a nice conditional to put in my themes for setting the behavior that I like personally: brightness 61 is now the "copper setting" :D
15.12.54 #       <copper> it's nice because it can easily be avoided by setting brightness to 60 or 62 while still producing pretty much the same brightness
15.13.27 #       <copper> and I'll be damned if there are people out there who purposefully set their brightness to 61!
15.20.12 #       <[Saint]> My brightness is very low as I use the failsafe theme
15.20.35 #       <[Saint]> (yeah - I know, but, I like RAM better than pretty things and features)
15.21.21 #       <user890104> [Saint]: how do you enable it?
15.21.31 #       <user890104> do you need to recompile rockbox?
15.21.50 #       <[Saint]> user890104: yes.
15.21.57 #       <[Saint]> (like all patches)
15.22.49 #       <user890104> i mean, is there an option in the settings menu that enable the shutdown item for targets where it's off by default
15.23.04 #       <copper> "root menu order: bookmarks,files,database,wps,settings,playlists,plugins,system_menu,shortcuts,shutdown,"
15.23.09 #       <copper> you put that in your .cfg
15.23.22 #       <[Saint]> To enable it, one either edits the config.cfg, or adds the SHUTDOWN_IN_MAIN_MENU define to the target config
15.23.40 #       <[Saint]> the latter will apply it by default
15.23.54 #       <user890104> ah i see. so if it's accepted, it would be possible to enable it in the release builds for any target
15.24.10 #       <[Saint]> I sincerely doubt it'll be accepted.
15.24.43 #       <copper> whyyyy
15.24.45 #       <user890104> well i hope it will be
15.25.04 #       <[Saint]> Comments aren't positive on that subject.
15.25.11 #       <[Saint]> I "did it wrong" TM.
15.25.17 #       <[Saint]> Meh.
15.25.23 #       <copper> the reason the iPod never had an Off button was for sake of simplicity: the iPod would turn itself off after a while, and turning it back on was instantaneous
15.25.51 #       <[Saint]> the ipod does have an "off".
15.26.00 #       <[Saint]> its just their off == hibernate
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15.26.31 #       <copper> long press play is not an off button
15.26.55 #       <copper> it's a software / firmware hack
15.27.17 #       <[Saint]> Its harware goverened, but, hey.
15.27.23 #       <[Saint]> *hardware
15.28.28 #       <copper> point is, Rockbox is not able to replicate that original behavior, hence a shutdown menu item is useful
15.29.05 #       <[Saint]> As I pointed out earlier, the fact its on the main menu makes it only about as useful as HW button does.
15.29.15 #       <[Saint]> Having to navigate back to the main menu negates it.
15.29.24 #       <[Saint]> Its pointless if your keys are functional.
15.29.48 #       <[Saint]> long playy works everywhee.
15.30.49 #       <copper> I press Menu once from the WPS and it gets me directly to the main menu
15.31.11 #       <copper> I find it funny that you're arguing against your own patch, which I happen to find very useful :D
15.31.18 #       <[Saint]> It also defaults off, and you can add it if you want it - this is ideal. There's no reason the people that don't see a need for it should be forced to remove it.
15.31.38 #       <[Saint]> Aaaaaaaaaannnnnd, its NOT getting committed, so, there's that too.
15.31.43 #       <[Saint]> Its irrelevant really.
15.31.59 #       <copper> irrelevant [Saint] is irrelevant!
15.32.14 #       * copper giggles
15.33.15 #       <[Saint]> Even if I thought there was a hope it would get committed in its current state, I still wouldn't allow it to default on.
15.33.45 #       <[Saint]> Its a power user thing you can add trivially if you want to, no need for it to affect Joe Average if it doesn;t need to.
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15.34.09 #       <copper> [Saint]: doesn't Joe Average need to read the manual to figure out how to turn off his iPod?
15.34.22 #       <copper> long press play is awfully non-obvious
15.34.49 #       <[Saint]> I would posit most people use idle timeout.
15.35.01 #       <megal0maniac_afk> Where is bluebot?
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15.35.22 #       <megal0maniac_afk> Oh. Duh. Ignore
15.35.46 #       * [Saint] kicks fs-bluebot 
15.36.09 #       <[Saint]> Awww - I'm not magic.
15.37.17 #       <megal0maniac_afk> Ooh, speedy is gone
15.37.18 #       <megal0maniac_afk> Retired?
15.37.25 #       <[Saint]> Am I authed? I must be. Hmmm.
15.37.45 #       <bluebrother> fs-bluebot: .explain rockbox
15.37.46 #       <fs-bluebot> 3rockbox: Rockbox is an open source firmware for mp3 players, written from scratch. Rockbox is not Linux.
15.37.51 #       <bluebrother> hmm, works for me :)
15.38.10 #       <[Saint]> I thought I could kick him and get him to quit/rejoin for my amusement.
15.38.29 #       <[Saint]> Maybe I'm misremebering.
15.38.32 #       <bluebrother> well, you need to kick it as in /kick
15.38.40 #       * bluebrother kicks fs-bluebot 
15.38.41 #       <[Saint]> Ahhhhhh.
15.38.56 #       <bluebrother> hmm, that one used to work, right. Might got lost during the last rewrite
15.39.33 #       <bluebrother> and on /kick it will terminate itself. In case it's acting up, so any channel op can do that and doesn't need to ban it
15.40.00 #       <[Saint]> Does it check the hostmask of who tried that? It probably should - but not much of an issue if it doesn't work anymore.
15.40.02 #       <[Saint]> re: kick
15.40.16 #       <bluebrother> no, but you can /kick only if you're op anyway
15.40.48 #       <bluebrother> when you did an action that kicked it (as in before) it replied with an ouch message
15.40.58 #       <[Saint]> Hmmm. I was under the understanding that just "/me kicks fs-bluebot" worked.
15.41.07 #       <[Saint]> Ahhhh. right.
15.41.12 #       <[Saint]> I am misrembering.
15.41.22 #       <[Saint]> kicking it was to ask if it was listening.
15.41.24 #       <[Saint]> gotcha.
15.41.24 #       <bluebrother> I never documented it either :)
15.41.37 #       <bluebrother> but I've rewritten it some time ago, so some things might be different
15.41.59 #       <bluebrother> especially the bugs are hopefully gone. But as we all know one usually introduces new ones when fixing bugs :)
15.42.05 #       <[Saint]> I still occasionally find fun ways of tripping the poor thing up.
15.42.18 #       <[Saint]> weird strings that confuse it into announcing bullshit
15.42.50 #       <[Saint]> I'll try remember to prod you when/if I find more
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16.07.17 #       <amayer> if my iPod is slow to load directories does that mean I need to defrag?
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16.07.54 #       <[Saint]> dircache should negate this
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16.10.31 #       <amayer> hmm... it seams that my iPod is getting slower these days. and its a noticeable lag when i press center button to open file viewer
16.11.11 #       <amayer> s/seams/seems/
16.11.50 #       <[Saint]> Have you perhaps disabled directory cache?
16.12.45 #       <amayer> settings -> system -> disk -> directory cache = yes
16.14.37 #       * [Saint] shrugs
16.35.49 #       <copper> amayer: I need to reboot my iPod after unplugging it from USB
16.36.00 #       <copper> if access files right after unplugging, it's super slow
16.36.06 #       <copper> high disk activity for no reason
16.37.27 #       <amayer> that interesting
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16.40.10 #       <copper> you'll notice that upon rebooting the first time, a pop-up shows up, that reads "scanning disk"
16.40.29 #       <copper> I assume it's somewhat related to what I'm experiencing
16.40.45 #       <copper> somehow*
16.43.43 #       <[Saint]> I don't see such an issue.
16.45.12 #       <copper> it would be so disappointing if you did ;)
16.46.43 #       <copper> amayer: woudln't reformatting the partition with emCORE and copying all files over be faster?
16.47.12 #       <copper> I also routinely nuke the database and rebuild it
16.52.46 #       <amayer> I dont use the database
16.54.33 #       <amayer> I backup my library to my server every once in a while. Maybe when I do the next backup I will nuke and copy the files back. and get rid of some of my test themes. my themes folder is HUGE and most of them are theme1, theme1_test, theme1_crazytest, theme1_newthing
16.55.50 #       <[Saint]> backup to the server?
16.55.58 #       <[Saint]> So - the iPod is *primary* storage?
16.56.00 #       <[Saint]> Eeek,.
16.56.28 #       <amayer> no but sometimes I rip cds at work and put them on my ipod. then they are not on my media/file server at home
16.56.37 #       <[Saint]> ah.
16.56.39 #       <amayer> or I rename files and add art to them
16.57.14 #       <amayer> minor stuff. its not like i have 5 gigs worth of new files that arent one my file server. its just ID3 tag corrections and art mostly
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