--- Log for 06.07.114 Server: morgan.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 17 days and 23 hours ago 00.11.29 # franklin: the bench_scalar plugin uses resize_on_load to perform image scaling 00.12.42 # it imports that from "lib/jpeg_mem.h" which includes "resize.h" 00.13.00 # i've never done plugin development, but these functions are used by the core for scaling things like album art 00.26.41 Quit user890104 (Quit: .) 00.26.53 Join user890104 [0] (Venci@unaffiliated/user890104) 00.30.08 Quit franklin (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00.44.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.01.16 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 01.01.21 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 01.04.58 Quit pystar89 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01.13.29 Quit saratoga_ (Quit: Page closed) 01.27.49 Quit kuldeepdhaka (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 01.41.46 Join kuldeepdhaka [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 01.42.02 Quit preglow (*.net *.split) 01.53.07 Join preglow [0] (~thomj@rockbox/developer/preglow) 02.08.42 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.24.01 Quit ender` (Quit: Power comes from wallsockets -- Starwhite) 02.31.45 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 02.32.06 Join Glorfindel [0] (4a24c828@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.36.200.40) 02.34.07 Quit l2k-Shadow (Remote host closed the connection) 02.34.57 Join l2k-Shadow [0] (~filip@ip24-251-217-21.ph.ph.cox.net) 02.36.03 # <[Saint]> preglow: what revision is your Rockbox binary built from (re: Android). 02.36.20 # <[Saint]> There was a commit a while ago that should've fixed the hang you describe. 02.36.31 # <[Saint]> At least, it has for everyone else I'm aware of... 02.37.11 Quit Glorfindel (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02.44.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.04.44 Join pystar89 [0] (~pystar89@ip-176-199-76-43.unitymediagroup.de) 03.37.07 Quit RiD (Quit: A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.) 03.59.06 Join franklin [0] (6c5b79a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.91.121.165) 04.00.21 Quit kuldeepdhaka (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 04.00.26 # saratoga: how can I scale a bitmap on demand? 04.01.04 # no idea 04.01.42 # Anyone? 04.05.29 # Saint mentioned it here http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,48355.0.html 04.06.25 # <[Saint]> I mentioned it based on the fact that I know we have bitmap scaling functions in the core - and it should in theory be possible to use this. How, however, is another game entirely. 04.07.20 # Well... 04.07.25 # <[Saint]> I'm on mobile presently, I'm fairly certain there's at least one example of a plugin scaling on demand in the source. 04.07.41 # Same here 04.09.26 # franklin: have you looked at the test_resize plugin? 04.09.37 # it seems to do what you want using smooth_resize_bitmap 04.09.58 # <[Saint]> Ah, yes. The testplugin. Thankyou. 04.10.23 # No, actually... 04.10.26 # by the way, if you haven't already, you should take a look at using grep 04.10.34 # it makes finding things like this relatively easy 04.10.45 # I am on mobile right now. 04.13.04 Join jxv [0] (~jxv@cpe-23-243-183-182.socal.res.rr.com) 04.13.10 # Says it can't open /test.bmp 04.13.20 # Which exists. 04.14.15 # And is a valid BMP file 04.18.35 # Goodnight everyone 04.20.47 Join kuldeepdhaka [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 04.22.54 Quit franklin (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 04.44.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.44.24 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.44.24 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.44.25 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.44.25 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.46.11 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 05.04.15 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-219-42.mcn.bellsouth.net) 05.18.33 Quit us`0gb (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05.31.09 Join us`0gb [0] (~0gb.us@c-71-237-219-28.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 05.36.54 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 05.38.24 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.42.45 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 05.49.38 Join steffengy [0] (~quassel@p57B49A5B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 05.52.55 Quit steffengy1 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06.20.59 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 06.43.56 Quit jxv (Write error: Broken pipe) 06.44.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.48.17 Quit Cultist (Excess Flood) 06.48.34 Join Cultist [0] (~CultOfThe@c-98-223-211-32.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 06.48.55 Join funman_ [0] (~fun@chui-pas.net) 06.49.32 Join derf_ [0] (~derf@static-108-18-126-14.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 06.58.13 Quit funman (Write error: Broken pipe) 06.58.40 Quit x56 (Ping timeout: 877 seconds) 06.59.19 Join x56 [0] (~0x56@sillytitties.com) 07.00.41 Quit derf (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 07.00.42 Nick derf_ is now known as derf (~derf@static-108-18-126-14.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 07.04.32 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 07.06.42 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 07.13.52 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 07.18.42 Quit kuldeepdhaka (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 07.19.01 Join kuldeepdhaka_ [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 08.21.08 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 08.30.22 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 08.35.09 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 08.36.20 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 08.44.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.46.36 Quit kuldeepdhaka_ (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 08.58.46 Quit us`0gb (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 09.00.36 Join kuldeepdhaka_ [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 09.07.02 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 09.12.21 Join us`0gb [0] (~0gb.us@c-71-237-219-28.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 09.23.13 Quit us`0gb (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 09.43.44 Join Rower [0] (~husvagn@h176n2-aeg-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com) 09.48.36 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 09.50.07 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-178-161.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 10.14.02 Quit kuldeepdhaka_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.14.12 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 10.15.11 # just mentioning that i still want to discuss the skin buffering change, no time now 10.15.22 Part kugel 10.19.32 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 10.25.08 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.37.51 Join kuldeepdhaka_ [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 10.44.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.45.32 Quit kuldeepdhaka_ (Max SendQ exceeded) 10.47.01 Join kuldeepdhaka_ [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 11.11.45 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 11.14.10 Join ulmutul [0] (~chatzilla@wprt-4d097d1b.pool.mediaways.net) 11.18.06 Quit kuldeepdhaka_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 11.18.11 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 11.18.56 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.27.23 # franklin: Actually most plugins don't scale their bitmaps. Look at the Sudoku plugin (I think this come closest to your 2048 game): The number tiles are separate bitmaps for different screen sizes (in apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/sudoku_xyz.bmp) 11.28.23 # <[Saint]> ...which is incredibly wasteful. 11.28.36 # <[Saint]> If you *can* scale bitmaps, why not? 11.30.03 Join kuldeepdhaka_ [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 11.30.45 # I think depending on the bitmap it may look ugly (for example scaled number tiles) 11.31.28 # <[Saint]> The scaling in Rockbox is actually pretty decent. 11.31.33 # <[Saint]> see: album art 11.31.37 # [Saint]: why is that wasteful? 11.31.37 # franklin: the right bitmap size for compiling is choosen inside apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/SOURCES 11.32.51 # <[Saint]> gevaerts: if you can scale cleanly enough from a much smaller bitmap - why not? 11.33.23 # [Saint]: that sounds unlikely to me 11.34.08 # <[Saint]> Once you get up to the larger screen sizes, it would start to be more effective in saving space. 11.34.24 # Upscaling text nicely isn't trivial at all 11.35.00 # <[Saint]> We manage to do it with very reasonable results for album art. 11.35.40 # Do we? 11.36.05 # <[Saint]> Well, my art doesn't turn into unreadable shitblobs, so, I'm going with yes. 11.36.37 # unreadable != nice 11.36.56 # *not unreadable 11.37.21 # <[Saint]> Well...I mean, if we're willing to let a plugin bring in potentially several MB of bitmaps...then, OK, I guess. 11.37.37 # Several MB? 11.37.51 # * gevaerts wants to see the numbers 11.38.35 # The largest resolution where we care about game plugins is 640x480 IIRC 11.39.16 # So the tile size would be 120x120 max 11.39.35 # <[Saint]> Ok, so, whatever 17 X 120X120 bitmap costs out oat. 11.39.40 # <[Saint]> *at 11.39.54 # <[Saint]> That's...non-trivial. 11.40.05 # <[Saint]> Not heaps, granted, but non-trivial. 11.40.44 # That's around half a megabyte 11.41.01 # For *one* rare target 11.41.03 # <[Saint]> Scaling also allows the plugin to make effective use of the entire screen width - potentially. 11.41.29 # The others are max. four times less 11.41.33 # How? 11.42.16 # Also, 17? 11.42.29 # <[Saint]> scale tiles to screen width/4. As opposed to getting a best-fitr bitmap that kinda fits, and having to center it all. 11.42.37 # Do the numbers go that high? 11.42.44 # No 11.42.46 # <[Saint]> 17 is the highest iteration. 11.43.06 # You have the correct bitmaps for the screen size 11.43.55 # <[Saint]> Hmm, good point. I guess it doesn't matter how many bitmaps get shat into the source. 11.44.02 # * gevaerts doesn't actually believe it's possible to get that high a tile 11.44.18 # <[Saint]> Its theoretically possible. 11.44.20 # 17 is 128k... 11.44.24 # <[Saint]> Tremendously unlikely. 11.44.27 # <[Saint]> But possible. 11.45.43 # * gevaerts thinks about this 11.46.36 Join us`0gb [0] (~0gb.us@c-71-237-219-28.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 11.47.14 # <[Saint]> I'm not sure if the current plugin supports undoes, so, yeah - getting that high would be a remarkable fluke. 11.47.50 # If it supports undoes, that's a bug! 11.48.46 # <[Saint]> Another problem, scaling or no, is that there's a few targets that won't be elegible for this plugin based solely on the numbers alone. 11.49.01 # <[Saint]> Even if the number was wrapped over several lines. 11.49.15 # Well 11.49.37 # <[Saint]> it wouldn't fit in the tile and be legible. 11.50.00 # * gevaerts doubts that 11.50.29 # <[Saint]> its potentially 4, 5+ character digits, side-by-side. 11.50.44 # Not really :) 11.50.44 # <[Saint]> lowest res width is..what? 64? so - that's out for sure. 11.51.28 # You can write 128K, or just 128 in a different colour or reverse 11.51.29 # <[Saint]> Binary! :) 11.51.37 # <[Saint]> Ohhh, yeah, good point. 11.52.12 # Not if you want scaled bitmaps of course :) 11.54.03 # * gevaerts thinks that if one uses patterns instead of numbers, it should be doable for the Player even 11.54.30 # Still, almost certainly not worth the effort 11.54.43 # <[Saint]> beep the board out in morse. 11.54.47 # <[Saint]> No screen required. 12.18.17 Quit us`0gb (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 12.23.38 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@pD9EE884B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.35.16 Join us`0gb [0] (~0gb.us@c-71-237-219-28.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 12.44.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.50.27 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 12.57.45 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 12.57.56 # lebellium: hey, ping reminder about g890 please :) 12.58.47 # JdGordon: :) I'll see if I can do that this afternoon 12.59.09 # cheers 12.59.11 # I also have to try something for pamaury 13.01.54 # J 13.02.23 # JdGordon: my current build on Clip Zip is dated March 2014. I don't use much my DAPs lately :S 13.04.01 # is that the one that crashes on usb with your theme? 13.05.30 # It used to. But IIRC some patchs in 2013 already made the connection more stable. 13.06.40 # now it just connected to the PC without any issue 13.11.11 # for the moment I can't reproduce the issue with my current March build 13.17.44 # JdGordon: 100% successful USB connection. It's useless for me to try your patch if it already works fine without it :S 13.18.02 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 13.22.52 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 13.24.56 # gevaerts: now that the SVG pic for E360 is ready, what are the steps to get it here http://build.rockbox.org/ ? 14.01.37 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 14.19.21 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 14.22.54 # lebellium: we need to promote it to unstable 14.23.12 # to do so, it would be preferrable to have Rockbox Utility working, although that's not a requirement 14.23.26 # hmm, what? 14.23.33 # R0 is not in RButil 14.23.44 # If it's not a requirement, why is the Classic port still "unusable"? 14.23.58 # I thought that was precisely the requirement 14.24.07 # maybe, I don't know to be honest ^^ 14.24.10 # lol 14.24.14 # you thought wrong 14.24.18 # unstable doesn't need RButil 14.24.37 # then, what's the Classic still doing in the "special needs" class? 14.25.12 # psss 14.25.14 # don't answer that 14.25.18 # I'm tired of asking 14.26.30 # pamaury: battery benchmark just started 14.28.17 Join bcobco [0] (~bcobco@77.225.204.119) 14.29.18 # pamaury: display getting on is weird BTW. It looks like it works in 2 steps 14.29.49 # lebellium: yeah I know, I have figured out why 14.29.54 # but it's mostly costmetic ^^ 14.29.58 # sure :) 14.31.12 # *I haven't 14.32.02 # my latest benchmark (November 2013) says 9:52 14.32.09 # it can only be better I think :P 14.35.04 Quit us`0gb (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 14.35.23 Quit bcobco (Remote host closed the connection) 14.35.46 Join bcobco [0] (~bcobco@77.225.204.119) 14.41.49 # lebellium: ah crap! I thought you had a skin which killed usb for no apparent reason? 14.42.46 # JdGordon: it did. But it looks like you already did some fixes in 2013 or early 2014 14.44.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.48.12 # I haven't followed much the rockbox developement in 2014 and now I notice that when doing that you forget very quickly what you knew about it 14.48.29 # I have no idea what build fixed my USB issues 14.52.06 Quit Rower (Quit: Hmmm...) 15.04.02 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15.05.23 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 15.07.14 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-219-42.mcn.bellsouth.net) 15.10.13 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 15.19.48 # [Saint]: thanks, it's probably a month and a half old now 15.19.53 # [Saint]: i'll update 15.20.06 # hopefully, i can dig up a theme that makes sense somewhere too 15.31.32 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15.46.08 # copper: no "native" bootloader, i.e. we rely on third-party stuff 15.47.15 # ah 15.47.26 # I'm sure I was told that half a dozen times 15.47.46 # any secret to androidbox and fonts? rockbox ignores the rockbox/fonts/ folder i put on my sd card 15.48.04 # i'll end up blind if i have to use the default font 15.48.13 # I believe that's actually being worked on by someone now 15.48.29 # So don't give up hope :) 15.49.01 # I don't even have a Classic anymore 15.49.18 # maybe I'll buy a used one later 15.49.52 Join Misanthropos [0] (~Misanthro@frnk-4d013586.pool.mediaWays.net) 15.50.33 # I kinda miss the neatness of the parametric EQ that produces perfect curves :P 15.50.44 # I also don't have a classic (never had one), but that never stopped me hoping it would be stable one day! 15.51.02 Quit bcobco (Remote host closed the connection) 15.51.24 Join bcobco [0] (~bcobco@77.225.204.119) 15.53.40 # bag of shit eq 15.53.48 # uh? 15.54.28 # nothing, just trying to remember what some dude described the eq as sound like once, but couldn't remember it and reverted to an older rockbox description 15.54.55 # good, font down, let's find a theme 15.58.40 Quit kuldeepdhaka_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 16.02.05 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Leaving) 16.05.18 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 16.13.14 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 16.23.00 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 16.24.03 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@c-68-43-2-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 16.24.03 Quit jhMikeS (Changing host) 16.24.03 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 16.26.12 Join us`0gb [0] (~0gb.us@c-71-237-219-28.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 16.30.11 # <[Saint]> preglow: did you look in the /other/ sdcard? 16.30.34 # <[Saint]> If you have a real sdcard, Rockbox is likely doing the typical Android thing and using emulated storage instead. 16.30.55 # <[Saint]> Usually something like /storage/sdcard0/ 16.32.20 # <[Saint]> It'll be "the place Rockbox shits the bunch of files it creates on first launch". :) 16.32.38 # <[Saint]> The exact path to that can vary quite wildly by device/vendor 16.32.55 Quit scorche (Disconnected by services) 16.32.59 Join scorche` [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 16.41.53 Quit ygrek (*.net *.split) 16.41.54 Quit cmhobbs_ (*.net *.split) 16.41.54 Quit Slasheri (*.net *.split) 16.41.54 Quit xiaopi[z] (*.net *.split) 16.44.01 Quit bcobco (Remote host closed the connection) 16.44.27 Join bcobco [0] (~bcobco@77.225.204.119) 16.44.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.46.27 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 16.47.22 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 16.47.57 Quit bertrik (Client Quit) 16.48.16 Join cmhobbs_ [0] (~cmhobbs@ip98-186-66-92.fv.ks.cox.net) 16.48.19 # the android file system is such a mess 16.48.21 Join Slasheri [0] (miipekk@rockbox/developer/Slasheri) 16.49.53 # some day, Google will completely disable sd card readers 16.49.57 # mark my words 16.50.10 # "just use the cloud!" 16.51.47 # hahaha 16.51.57 # well, i won't be using an android phone that day 16.52.22 # sd cards are already read-only in Android 16.52.48 # "see, sd cards don't work very well, you better use the cloud" 16.54.15 # well, they're not really "read only", but there are some user rights shenanigans 16.55.19 # really now 16.56.23 # I can transfer files over WiFi with SwiFTP; my phone's bundled File Commander can write to it too, but not ES File Explorer or Poweramp 17.32.09 Quit us`0gb (Quit: http://0gb.us/) 17.36.24 Join xiaopi[z] [0] (~xiaopiz]@lafiel.devreaction.com) 17.37.50 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 18.11.37 # g#892 looks nice! 18.13.17 # or maybe #g892 18.13.38 # I don't remember how linking works -_- 18.16.52 Quit Basstard` (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 18.23.33 Join Basstard` [0] (~sturgeon@host-95-195-153-67.mobileonline.telia.com) 18.44.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.58.46 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 19.02.34 Join lackland [0] (~lackland@c-73-52-159-118.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) 19.14.48 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 19.15.52 Quit ender| (Quit: It's nice to know that my launch to orbit won't have any pesky back-up systems weighing me down. -- Andy Weir: The Martian) 19.42.33 Join ender| [0] (krneki@2a01:260:4094:1:42:42:42:42) 20.11.46 Join franklin [0] (6c5b79a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.91.121.165) 20.14.24 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 20.22.57 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 20.27.01 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 20.28.33 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 20.30.37 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 20.31.42 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 20.32.20 # scorche|sh: now that the spam problem on the forums is resolved, could you make it so that new users are automatically able to post again? 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Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich. -- Napoleon Bonaparte) 21.15.57 Join ender| [0] (krneki@2a01:260:4094:1:42:42:42:42) 21.20.37 # saratoga: yeah? - you think would be safe? 21.20.44 Part l2k-Shadow ("Leaving") 21.20.48 # i haven't rejected a spammer in ages 21.20.50 Join l2k-Shadow [0] (~filip@ip24-251-217-21.ph.ph.cox.net) 21.21.07 # by the way, what was the solution? 21.21.41 # well, we tried a variety of different things that likely all factored in 21.21.56 # (in other words, we tried so many things, that i cant recall what the last thing was) 21.24.55 Quit Misanthropos (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 21.30.52 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 21.31.19 # looks good 21.31.48 # the first time they post, they will still have to enter the captcha and question, but after that, the forums should recognise them as human 21.33.14 Quit cmhobbs_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21.37.24 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 21.37.31 # captchas are so hard these days, machines can decipher them better than humans do 21.41.55 # Yes. 21.43.30 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 21.57.26 Join GodEater` [0] (~whoknows@my83-216-94-137.mynow.co.uk) 21.57.27 Quit GodEater` (Changing host) 21.57.27 Join GodEater` [0] (~whoknows@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 21.58.28 Quit y4n (Quit: Assumption is the mother of all fuckups) 21.58.46 Quit GodEater (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 22.00.54 # What units does the Samsung piezo driver use? The prototype's here: void piezo_start(unsigned short cycles, unsigned short periods); 22.02.45 # In firmware/target/arm/s518702/ipod6g/piezo-ipod6g.c. 22.13.21 Join us`0gb [0] (~0gb.us@63-155-157-50.eugn.qwest.net) 22.21.32 # from the comments, the piezo is a PWM circuit with a 100KHz clock 22.23.20 # so one cycle is probably about 50 khz if theres no other scaling 22.23.35 # any idea what "Mikey" might stand for? ("MikeyTask") 22.23.59 # I've seen that turn up in multiple spots in apple firmwares, but never figured out what it means 22.25.18 # TheSeven: you remember how the 6g piezo works? 22.26.21 # franklin: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/log-20140706#11:27:23 22.26.44 # full list of tasks that I've found: http://paste.pm/i3c.m (and MikeyTask is the one that data aborts) 22.26.57 # saratoga: do we have a driver for that? 22.27.24 # I think on the nano2g it's just hooked up to a timer PWM gpio, and I don't remember the classic being different 22.28.06 # yeah its basically the same on both 22.28.27 # from the code it looks like a 100khz pwm, so one cycle = 50KHz square wave? 22.28.27 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 22.29.38 # much slower I think 22.29.49 # more like 1-5kHz square wave 22.30.38 # a beep is 40 cycles, so it has to be pretty fast 22.30.49 # if it was 1 khz, dividing down by 40 would be quite slow 22.31.27 # 40ms? seems reasonable 22.31.44 # well a period of 40 ms 22.31.55 # so that'd be 25hz 22.32.52 # I was thinking more along the lines of 40 periods of 2.5kHz square wave or something like that 22.33.35 # if you want to have a look at how apple does it, I know where it is in the disassembly 22.34.08 # its working in rockbox, so thats probably not needed 22.34.45 # IIUC, the driver just sets a timer that expires after X/2 cycles and inverts the driver level 22.35.38 # if the clock was 100khz, then the "40" used by the beep would give 100/2/40 = 1.25kHz 22.36.22 # easy enough to test if someone has a 6g running rockbox handy 22.42.54 # Bagder is apparently traveling around the US at the moment, is there anyone else who can poke the HTML manual builds and figure out why they stopped? 22.44.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.44.58 # apple's click sounds very different from ours 22.55.00 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 22.59.51 Quit us`0gb (Quit: http://0gb.us/) 23.01.27 # that sounds like the kind of thing apple would obsessively optimize :) 23.02.47 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.04.11 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 23.10.08 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 23.10.44 Quit l2k-Shadow (Remote host closed the connection) 23.11.23 Join l2k-Shadow [0] (~filip@ip24-251-217-21.ph.ph.cox.net) 23.11.57 # it sounds a lot "nicer" than ours, but ours is louder / more noticable :P 23.12.19 Quit shamus (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23.15.54 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.21.28 Join wowaname [0] (~wow@162.218.234.116) 23.24.05 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 23.25.31 Quit Scall (Remote host closed the connection) 23.28.45 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 23.33.03 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-193-180.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 23.34.26 Join us`0gb [0] (~0gb.us@c-71-237-219-28.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 23.39.53 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0/20140703154127]) 23.41.28 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/12988 23.41.28 # also 23.41.47 # i believe when trying to read a font that isn't there 23.41.53 # and a glyph cache file is present 23.42.07 # it should fall back to the glyph cache 23.44.50 # No, it definitely shouldn't 23.45.11 # If the font isn't there, suchh a cache is by definition out of date 23.47.32 # k 23.47.35 # anyway i'm off 23.47.37 Quit wowaname (Quit: <3) 23.49.59 Quit franklin (Quit: Page closed) 23.51.55 Quit shamus (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)