--- Log for 12.08.114 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 3 days and 11 hours ago 00.00.15 # franklin: sorry I've been busy 00.00.23 # Oh it's fine 00.00.24 # is 2048 compiling on all targets where its enabled? 00.00.29 # Yes! :D 00.00.39 # ok i'll hit the button and see if you're correct 00.00.51 # I hope... 00.01.26 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision b61553c, 253 builds, 30 clients. 00.01.49 # probably something will fail, so stick around for a few in case in need you to fix some red 00.01.59 # Yeah... 00.03.35 # ok... 4 minutes 00.03.42 # my bet is either coldfire or one of those rare hosted targets that is really hard to build for 00.04.02 # Haven't tested on those :/ 00.04.23 # Does android build plugins? 00.04.55 # 3 minutes... 00.05.47 # 2 minutes... 00.06.23 # And it's fine if the Recorder doesn't work, right? 00.06.47 # 1 minute... 00.07.11 # I'm betting on Android not working 00.07.15 # record doesn't have >1 bit so it shouldn't build 00.07.19 # If it builds plugins 00.07.19 # i think android doesn't build plugins 00.07.25 # ok then... 00.07.29 # 20 seconds... 00.07.39 # that number is approximate by the way 00.08.16 # of course... 00.08.52 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 446 seconds. 00.09.06 # wow all green 00.09.39 # yeah lets call that one a success 00.09.50 # :D 00.10.12 # But does it work? :/ 00.10.51 # as long as it builds 00.11.00 # But does it RUN? 00.11.08 # thats your problem 00.11.13 # :) 00.11.32 # Soon enough, people will start complaining... if something's wrong 00.12.09 # Well, thanks :) 00.12.42 # But again, I was kind of hoping to get to patch set 88 so it would be Gerrit #888/88 :) 00.12.45 # 3Gerrit review #888 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/888 : 3Added 2048 game by Franklin Wei 00.13.25 # saratoga, you have an ipod? 00.13.43 # and what about the wiki page? 00.13.49 # an old 3g, but not handy 00.13.56 # funamn has my nano2g i think 00.14.16 # So you want to try the new piezo patch? 00.14.42 # i'm not even sure the 3g has piezo working 00.14.47 # that port was never really completed 00.14.54 # Oh... 00.15.32 # does it compile on the older ipods? 00.15.45 # Sims work, but IDK about HW 00.15.50 # Just 1g/2g sim 00.16.42 # And classic 6g 00.17.51 # on hardware 00.24.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.30.08 # undefined reference to `find_first_set_bit', but find_first_set_bit in ffs.S still present 00.30.13 # give me advice 00.30.15 # please 00.45.52 # where is it undefined? codeclib? 00.46.03 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 00.49.07 Quit ender1 (Quit: Please help Conserve Gravity - Play Chess, not Basketball.) 00.49.23 # <[Saint]> The viewers icons have been fucked up for years. 00.49.29 # <[Saint]> And, no one knows why. 00.49.45 # <[Saint]> The code that governs them is fucking nightmarish. 00.49.59 # <[Saint]> And, at the end of the day, no one really gave a shit. 00.50.20 # [Saint]: which viewers? 00.50.22 # But check out the patch anyways... :) 00.50.47 # <[Saint]> jhMikeS: all of them, given the right conditions. 00.51.20 # <[Saint]> The entire viewer/icon display code is garbage. 00.55.04 # one thing I noticed is icons are messed up if the text is too small rather than the line height being the max of the icon or the text 00.55.40 Quit franklin (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 00.56.17 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 00.56.20 # <[Saint]> Indeed. But we currently have no way to have the line height be anything other than the text height. 00.56.36 # <[Saint]> Well...except on touchscreen, with that weird line height padding. 00.56.54 # <[Saint]> (which shouldn't be touchscreen specific, but, is...) 00.57.17 # * [Saint] should probably fix that 00.57.57 # <[Saint]> But even then the line height padding isn't smart enough to take icons into account and will still crush them. 00.58.19 # [Saint]: there should be no global line height bs really 00.58.46 # <[Saint]> While I agree, lists aren't as simple as they appear to be. 00.59.07 # <[Saint]> There's quite a lot of shit going on in the background to draw those relatively simple lists. 00.59.21 Quit lleeloo (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.59.29 # then the code should be disposed of because it's a friggin' list and that isn't a terribly complicated thing 00.59.46 # <[Saint]> It is when you involve our theme engine. 00.59.56 # <[Saint]> And, you know damn well we can't dispose of it. 01.00.00 # maybe there's something afoul in the design 01.00.02 # <[Saint]> What will we replace it with? 01.00.33 # <[Saint]> Its all very well and good saying its shit and it needs replacing, but saying it doesn't get it done. ;) 01.00.36 # the theme engine was hacked into existing code, not designed into the thing from the start 01.00.51 # <[Saint]> I disagree with that immensely. 01.01.03 # <[Saint]> Its plainly untrue. 01.01.05 # I was there when it happened :) 01.01.20 # <[Saint]> You apparently weren't there when it was re-worked from the ground up... 01.02.03 # I guess not. So why's it so troublesome then? 01.02.27 # <[Saint]> Because humans are involved. 01.02.48 # what else would be? 01.03.00 # <[Saint]> It mostly comes from theme authors doing things that were *never* thought of during implementation. 01.03.24 # <[Saint]> If one was to use the theme engine as intended its surprisingly robust and durable. 01.03.32 # that and the "kinetic" thing 01.03.56 # code at this level isn't robust if it only survives intended use 01.05.00 # <[Saint]> Well, do feel free to do your thing and cut yourself off from the outside world for ~6 months and come back with a massiver patch that walks across the entire source tree and fix it up. ;) 01.05.16 # Isn't that what I always do? :) 01.05.44 # change 10k line? no problem! Just do a little every and you get there. 01.05.48 # *every day 01.06.38 # I'd have to know what the particular issues are though and where they would originate 01.08.43 # <[Saint]> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,48462.new.html#new 01.08.47 # * [Saint] chuckles 01.09.01 # <[Saint]> I *love* it when people ask questions like that. 01.09.10 # <[Saint]> I suspect OP won't be as amused. 01.09.44 # <[Saint]> Oh noes! My post count is 1234...gah. 01.09.47 # maybe it's enough 01.09.55 # you can never post again! 01.10.01 # <[Saint]> Such a pretty number. Don't want to break it. Gah. 01.12.10 # You'll have to if you ever want to reach 1337 01.13.11 # <[Saint]> Indeed. I'm just about to ruin it now. 01.13.33 Join CaptainKewl [0] (~captainke@207-237-110-248.c3-0.nyr-ubr2.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.17.22 Nick TD-Linux is now known as TD-Daala (~Thomas@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux) 01.25.04 # [Saint]: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,48463.msg229240/topicseen.html#msg229240... because of VID/PID? 01.26.19 # [Saint]: I see problems like the list caring about the scrollbar height. This is bad. It should only have to consider it's own display area. 01.26.27 # *its 01.27.26 # <[Saint]> People disagree with me here, but, I think our no regressions policy really fucked us in the ass here. 01.28.02 # <[Saint]> The refusal to break compatibility lead to lots of hacker and bullshittery in the code to keep the legacy shit glued together. 01.28.05 # And "KISS" 01.28.18 # * jhMikeS drinks to that 01.28.35 # It's call the stovepiped antipattern 01.28.44 # <[Saint]> I understand *why* it was done, but, hindsight is a beautiful thing. 01.28.47 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 01.29.06 # I bitched about it 10 years ago\ 01.30.47 # I knew the project would have to adapt to changes like what it's encountering now and if it can't, it will die because it will get stuck 01.31.48 Quit GodEater (Remote host closed the connection) 01.32.03 Join GodEater [0] (~whoknows@69.80.108.92) 01.32.03 Quit GodEater (Changing host) 01.32.03 Join GodEater [0] (~whoknows@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 01.32.52 # There's a reason for certain design patterns. They aren't just something acedemic or something a boss makes you do to annoy you. It really matters where it starts as to how easy it is to keep scaling it to new stuff. 01.34.15 # I remember being told how lack of abstracting memory and managing it was a good thing. I didn't think so but others were convinced. 01.39.09 # I'm sure it can be rectified though but not without going for broke and risking regression, which might not actually happen if the overall quality improves. 01.44.45 # Hey, does the ipod Classic have a mic? 01.45.45 # does it have a mic source option? 01.46.02 # No, but the wiki says "Recording does not work" 01.46.14 # So does that mean it has a mic, but you can't record? 01.47.11 # the config just defines a line in 01.47.42 # wat 01.47.46 # *what* 01.47.50 # ? 01.48.09 # #define INPUT_SRC_CAPS (SRC_CAP_LINEIN) 01.48.43 # So does that mean it has a mic? 01.48.52 # <[Saint]> No. 01.48.55 # no, cause it would have SRC_CAP_MIC too 01.49.10 # <[Saint]> Since when has line in == has mic? 01.49.35 # not until today I guess :p 01.50.15 # franklin: I guess you'll need a preamp 01.50.22 # What's INPUT_SRC_CAPS then? 01.50.40 # <[Saint]> Use the source, Luke. 01.50.51 # all the ways it can take audio from the outside world 01.51.35 # MIC/LINEIN/SPDIF/FMRADIO so far are defined 01.52.13 # REC_SRC_CAPS are allowed to differ if recording isn't possible on one or more of them 01.56.50 Join sakax [0] (~sakax@unaffiliated/sakax) 02.01.05 Quit franklin (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 02.04.23 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 02.07.28 Quit derf (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 02.09.28 Join derf [0] (~derf@static-108-18-126-14.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 02.16.36 Quit derf (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 02.18.11 Join derf [0] (~derf@static-108-18-126-14.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 02.24.19 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-207-199.mcn.bellsouth.net) 02.24.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.25.05 Quit franklin (Quit: Leaving) 02.44.06 Quit krabador (Quit: Take the time.) 03.00.01 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 03.01.39 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 03.03.10 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 03.03.55 Quit bcobco (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 03.08.50 Quit derf (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 03.10.36 Join derf [0] (~derf@static-108-18-126-14.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 03.17.07 Join bcobco [0] (~bcobco@77.228.124.149) 03.26.37 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 03.31.33 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 03.31.33 Quit krabador (Client Quit) 03.32.36 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 03.34.56 # Would it be possible to turn Tonebox (Gerrit #909) into a codec? It uses the piezo to play tones from a file 03.34.58 # 3Gerrit review #909 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/909 : 3Added piezo functions to plugin API, as well as some demo plugins by Franklin Wei 03.35.33 # <[Saint]> Possible, but not really workable in any realistic way. 03.35.54 # <[Saint]> You'd need to do a bunch of filtering to (try to) strip out the vocals. 03.36.16 # <[Saint]> And it would be rather computationally expensive, and sound like ass. 03.37.57 # if you want to add codecs, do TAK or WMA Lossless or something like that 03.38.26 # <[Saint]> ...or lossyflac. 03.38.28 # * [Saint] runs 03.38.31 Quit bcobco (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 03.38.56 # <[Saint]> (side note: implement lossyflac and I'll stab you in the face) 03.38.58 # we already support that 03.39.04 # unless you mean as an encoder 03.39.33 # <[Saint]> I do. Sorry, that was rather unclear. 03.39.34 # how about opus 03.39.54 # <[Saint]> Recording to opus would be very nice, indeed. 03.40.11 # <[Saint]> Not quite sure how it would work, though. 03.40.14 # is opus playback already there? 03.40.26 # <[Saint]> FOr about 2 years now? 03.40.36 # <[Saint]> Perhaps more. 03.40.39 # <[Saint]> So - yes. 03.40.41 # <[Saint]> Yes it is. 03.41.04 # * [Saint] suspects he just blew alexbobp's mind 03.43.05 # not super hard to do opus encoding, but i'm not sure how useful it would be, most people will probably prefer something lossless or at least very compatible like mp3 03.43.24 # i suggested lossless codecs because they are generally very easy to port 03.44.05 # <[Saint]> it'd be great for use as a dictaphone. 03.44.11 # <[Saint]> opus encoding, I mean. 03.44.47 # <[Saint]> spoken word can be VERY low bitrate in opus whilst still having very acceptable quality. 03.45.16 Quit Strife89 (Remote host closed the connection) 03.49.05 Join bcobco [0] (~bcobco@77.228.124.149) 03.49.26 Quit franklin (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 03.50.21 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 03.50.54 # So can I access the plugin API from a codec? 03.51.44 # codec is a lib so not really 03.54.05 # <[Saint]> nope. 03.54.20 Join cmhobbs_ [0] (~cmhobbs@ip98-186-66-92.fv.ks.cox.net) 03.54.52 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-207-199.mcn.bellsouth.net) 03.57.29 # [Saint]: sorry, no, was driving home from work :P 03.58.10 # <[Saint]> But, yeah, we've supported opus playback for about 2 years now I believe. 03.58.22 # But could I do a dirty hack and include piezo.h? 03.59.00 # <[Saint]> franklin: the real question is - why? 03.59.11 # So I can play tonebox from the WPS screen 03.59.12 # <[Saint]> This is tremendously unlikely to be accepted. 03.59.24 # I know... then just for personal use 03.59.40 # <[Saint]> If its for personal use, do whatever you want. 04.03.28 Nick TD-Daala is now known as TD-Linux (~Thomas@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux) 04.04.04 # It'd be revinventing the wheel to add a play/pause/forward/back interface to tonebox 04.04.04 # *reinventing* 04.04.17 # so... no 04.04.29 # just keep it in a plugin like midi? 04.11.08 Quit franklin (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 04.11.35 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 04.13.25 # Hey can someone add me to the wiki users group? [Saint]? saratoga? 04.14.09 # <[Saint]> Full name? 04.14.44 # Franklin Wei... 04.16.03 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04.18.35 Quit franklin (Quit: Leaving) 04.18.48 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 04.18.55 # sorry my internet went out 04.20.10 # How can I add a topic on the wiki? 04.20.34 # oh, never mind 04.20.59 # <[Saint]> FranklinWei added to WikiUsersGroup 04.21.15 # And can the page name have numerical chars? 04.21.28 # Nope... :) 04.22.06 # Actually yes... :) 04.22.11 # <[Saint]> Errrrr...yes. 04.23.14 # need to check "Enable non WikiWord" 04.23.29 # Writing 2048 wiki page now... 04.24.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.26.12 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.26.12 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.26.14 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.26.20 Join amiconn_ [0] (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.26.20 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.26.24 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (quassel@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.33.39 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 04.37.21 # ok, enjoy my masterpiece: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/Plugin2048 :D 04.38.14 # <[Saint]> Interesting definition of "fun". 04.38.28 # Or "amusing facts" 04.38.37 # "interesting facts"? 04.43.22 # Hmm... why doesn't 2048 show as linked in http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginIndex 04.51.37 Quit franklin (Quit: Leaving) 04.51.54 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 04.55.02 # Why doesn't http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginIndex link to Plugin2048 like it should? 04.55.17 # It's just plain text while all the others are link 04.55.20 # *links* 05.02.29 Quit franklin (Quit: Leaving) 05.14.54 Join steffengy [0] (~quassel@p5088FD79.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 05.15.14 Quit ruskie (Excess Flood) 05.17.43 Quit steffengy1 (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 05.41.33 Join ruskie [0] (ruskie@sourcemage/mage/ruskie) 05.41.50 Quit ikeboy (Quit: Leaving) 05.47.07 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05.48.37 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.09.29 Join leftright [0] (c5e012cd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.197.224.18.205) 06.13.26 # jhMikes : H140: Yesterdays Build: I flashed to RAM and ROM (set as boot), NO problems so far : Thank you for resolving the H140 flash issue. 06.15.03 # err.... jhMikeS 06.20.33 Part leftright 06.23.24 # what?! 06.24.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.29.35 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06.43.51 Quit megal0maniac (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 06.46.13 Join lleeloo [0] (~lleeloo@37.215.163.89) 06.52.37 Quit lleeloo (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 07.04.11 Quit CaptainKewl (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )) 07.06.13 Join aloniv [0] (~alon@85.64.17.154.dynamic.barak-online.net) 07.07.39 # Hello...I removed apple firmware from ipod using ipodcatcher. Now I only have rockbox. When plugging in ipod when locked (red button) I get rockbox but without my themes. Why is that? 07.16.36 Quit sakax (Remote host closed the connection) 07.18.02 Part aloniv 07.27.24 Join mortalis [0] (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 08.14.03 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 08.22.17 Quit amiconn (Remote host closed the connection) 08.22.17 Quit pixelma (Remote host closed the connection) 08.23.28 Join amiconn [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 08.23.29 Join pixelma [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 08.24.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.29.56 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 08.36.18 Join ender [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.37.16 Join gnutoo [0] (~gnutoo@arc33-1-78-248-49-133.fbx.proxad.net) 08.37.20 # hi, 08.37.51 # I've a "Sandisk Sansa Fuze+", 08.38.04 # so I downloaded the update from Sansa 08.38.17 # and I gave it to the rockbox installer 08.38.31 # it patched it and tried to install the bootloader and so on 08.38.58 # and nothing happened on the bootloader side 08.39.05 # it has the 02.36.03 version 08.39.14 # (that's what sansa about screen says) 08.39.28 # but I gave rockbox installer that zip: fuzeplus02.38.06.zip 08.39.39 # so I guess I'd have to update the stock firmware manually somehow 08.39.46 # and then to install rockbox? 08.47.23 # didn't work 08.47.26 # how do I reboot? 08.47.34 # the rockbox uttility says to reboot 08.47.39 # how can I reboot? 08.48.18 # I'll format to make it close to stock 08.48.23 # *closer 08.48.31 # and retry....again.... 08.56.13 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 08.56.37 # sigh! 08.56.40 # still not installed 08.56.46 # should I go more manual 08.56.58 # because it did update the sansa firmware to the new sansa stock one 08.57.21 # so I guess all I have to do is copy the patched bootloader to the mount point 08.57.30 # and then umount 08.57.34 # and remove the usb cable 08.57.36 # and wait 08.57.40 # right? 08.58.04 # I really hope that rockbox is still developped 08.58.30 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@80.239.169.202) 08.58.30 Quit Zagor (Changing host) 08.58.30 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.59.08 # or is the rockbox uttility not usable for the sansa fuze+? 08.59.22 # I've the device in MSC mode 08.59.49 # I've updated it with the file that is linked to in the wiki, for beeing patched 08.59.55 # then I ran the rockbox uttility 09.00.02 # and I installed it with that uttility 09.00.11 # then I removed the usb cable as requested 09.00.14 # then it updated 09.00.19 # at least that's what it said 09.00.26 # then it booted into stock 09.00.33 # then I holded the power button 09.00.46 # it seemed to have powered off 09.01.00 # but I've no idea how it worked behind the scenes so I can't guarantee it 09.01.16 # then I pressed the power button again 09.01.24 # and it went back to stock!!! 09.03.17 # How can I be sure the patched bootloader is there? 09.05.50 # where's the source download for mkimxboot? 09.07.36 # I guess I'll install another bootloader 09.07.45 # I don't need dual-boot right now anywa 09.07.47 # y 09.07.54 # gnutoo: I don't have the time to stay, but when the Rockbox Utility copies the bootloader to the device, it may happen that the update doesn't trigger, in which case best is to try again. You never installed rockbox before ? 09.09.04 # ah nice, it's ARM 09.09.19 # looong time ago 09.09.26 # I had an archos something 09.09.42 # I mean, did the fuze+ had rockbox on it or not yet ? 09.09.47 # no 09.09.52 # it never booted 09.10.04 # rbutil said it was installed 09.10.12 # because I asked it to install it 09.10.19 # but rockbox never booted 09.11.00 # so there is a .rockbox/ 09.11.02 # and so on 09.11.13 # my question is rather: 09.11.22 # 1) how do I make sure the patched bootloader is in place 09.11.28 # for rockbox to boot you need to install the bootloader, it should have done a "firmware upgrade" on reboot after running rbutil 09.11.36 # 2) what does that patched bootloader do 09.11.38 Join petur [0] (5bb7304d@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.11.48 # yes, it did a fimrware upgrade 09.11.58 # so I clicked on install in rbutil 09.12.05 # then it somehow finished copying the files 09.12.11 # and it told me to remove the usb cable, 09.12.15 # 1) on boot it will display a black screen with technical writings, instead of OF 09.12.15 # 2) it boots rockbox (or the OF) 09.12.39 # 1) I've no black screen with technical writings, instead I've the same boot logos than before 09.12.55 # ok, the update didn't work then, can you try it again ? 09.13.01 # 0) then it asked me to wait for the update and reboot 09.13.08 # 0) so that's what I did: 09.13.12 # 0) I removed the usb cable 09.13.21 # 0) It updated, at least that's what it said 09.13.21 Join lleeloo [0] (~lleeloo@178.125.124.107) 09.13.26 # 0) then it booted into stock 09.13.34 # 0) I pressed the power off button 09.13.37 Join Misanthropos [0] (~Misanthro@frnk-5f7416a5.pool.mediaWays.net) 09.13.49 # 0) I pressed the power button to power it on 09.13.57 # 0) and it was back to stock 09.14.04 # well, I tried at least 5 times 09.14.19 # so my only hope is probably some kind of manual way 09.14.32 # the sansa firmware is up to date 09.14.39 # I just updated it not so long ago 09.14.43 # because rbutil was failing 09.14.54 # so i thought that it was probably because I had an old sansa fimrware 09.15.16 # so I've put the firmware.sb from fuzeplus02.38.06.zip into the mount point 09.15.35 # I umounted, removed the usb cable and it updated 09.15.41 # that time I had a clear change 09.15.49 # it asked me for a reagion 09.15.52 # I've said Europe 09.15.59 # maybe I should have chosen USA 09.16.01 # or maybe other 09.16.16 # then I retried to install rockbox several times 09.16.19 # none worked 09.16.28 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 09.16.36 # so if I put firmware.sb to the mount point, will it update again? 09.17.03 # and is power off + power on a reboot? 09.18.04 # There seem to be no stable version for my player 09.18.07 # maybe it's related? 09.18.32 # like rbutil says: b61553c, that looks like a git log --online hash 09.20.23 # I'm trying again one more time, but I umounted before removing the USB cable 09.20.29 # I thought that rbutil was doing it 09.20.37 # (I did sudo -E RockboxUtility) 09.20.47 # I'm sorry, I really have to leave. That's a shame because I'm the main dev of the port, so I'm really the one who can help, but keep asking, maybe someone help will help. Or else I might be online at 10/11pm tonight. 09.21.00 # (somehow the GUI didn't start without sudo) 09.21.07 # ok, one quick question 09.21.12 # Maybe sansa released a new version of the firmware 09.21.12 # is that channel crowded? 09.21.51 # like you said "keep asking" 09.22.01 # do I have some chance to get someone to respond? 09.22.08 # or should I try a mailing list instead? 09.22.15 # 92f11cb906238197d88ad19739c54256 fuzeplus02.38.06.zip 09.22.30 # aha 09.22.36 # now I've a black screen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 09.22.41 # umount did the trick somehow 09.22.58 # ah now it boots rockbox 09.23.00 # wow!!!! 09.23.01 # that's a bit early ;) during holidays not many people are around 09.23.03 # thanks a lot 09.23.03 # cool, good luck ! 09.23.09 # now it works totally 09.23.10 # thanks 09.23.19 # now let's try rockbox, after all theses years 09.23.21 # thanks!!!! 09.24.26 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 09.42.10 Quit gnutoo (Quit: Lost terminal) 09.47.15 Quit Misanthropos (Quit: Ex-Chat) 09.55.39 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@avm-guido.avm.de) 09.55.39 Quit kugel (Changing host) 09.55.39 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 10.24.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.08.17 Join larsemil [0] (~iPlayer@h83-209-243-253.static.se.alltele.net) 12.08.23 Part larsemil 12.10.52 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@pD9EEA673.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.25.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.26.19 Quit steffengy (Disconnected by services) 12.26.20 Join steffengy1 [0] (~quassel@p57B48E67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.38.11 Quit ParkerR (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 12.43.51 Join ParkerR [0] (ParkerR@unaffiliated/parkerr) 13.02.29 Quit petur (Quit: Page closed) 13.18.55 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13.24.13 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 14.07.04 Join maruk1 [0] (~papier@titanium.v6.sdv.fr) 14.25.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.31.26 Join sakax [0] (~sakax@unaffiliated/sakax) 14.43.44 Quit cmhobbs_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 14.55.44 Join petur [0] (5bb7304d@rockbox/developer/petur) 15.01.35 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 15.09.12 Quit GodEater (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 15.13.06 Join GodEater [0] (~whoknows@64.9.157.89) 15.13.06 Quit GodEater (Changing host) 15.13.06 Join GodEater [0] (~whoknows@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 15.15.42 Quit copper (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 15.16.12 Join copper [0] (~copper@unaffiliated/copper) 15.56.55 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 16.07.05 Quit GodEater (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16.10.47 Join GodEater [0] (~whoknows@69.80.107.214) 16.10.47 Quit GodEater (Changing host) 16.10.47 Join GodEater [0] (~whoknows@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 16.16.07 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@pool-108-29-132-68.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) 16.23.21 Quit ikeboy (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16.25.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.33.33 Join ygrek [0] (~user@108.59.6.97) 16.38.39 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16.39.48 # Expected Delivery Day: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 16.39.50 # yay 16.39.58 # Waiting for the clip+ 16.41.13 Quit lleeloo () 16.47.47 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 16.48.59 # Why isn't 2048 a link on http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginIndex 16.49.01 # ? 16.55.55 Quit franklin (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16.56.52 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 16.57.55 Quit Zagor (Quit: Clint excited) 17.00.04 Quit mortalis (Quit: KVIrc 4.3.1 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) 17.05.43 Quit franklin (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.06.17 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 17.07.46 Join franklin_ [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 17.07.50 Quit franklin (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.07.55 Nick franklin_ is now known as franklin (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 17.09.03 Nick franklin is now known as Guest89433 (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 17.09.13 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 17.10.37 Join franklin_ [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 17.11.37 # Has anyone looked at Gerrit #893? It's a /very/ simple patch... 17.11.41 # 3Gerrit review #893 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/893 : 3Added highscore highlight to xobox game by Franklin Wei 17.12.19 Quit Guest89433 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17.12.53 # <[Saint]> You'll know someone has looked at it when it gets reviewed. 17.13.10 # It's a one-line change... how long could it take to review? 17.13.10 # <[Saint]> Constantly plugging your gerrit tasks here does little more than annoy. 17.13.41 # heh.. well... :) 17.13.56 Quit franklin (Quit: Leaving) 17.14.35 # <[Saint]> Shit, I wish I knew it was that easy... 17.15.00 # lol 17.15.19 # <[Saint]> aww. 17.18.30 Join megal0maniac_uni [0] (9bee0457@gateway/web/freenode/ip.155.238.4.87) 17.19.12 # Seems my client is lazy :/ http://build.rockbox.org/data/b61553c-clients.html 17.19.46 Quit franklin_ (Quit: Leaving) 17.20.08 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 17.21.28 # * megal0maniac_uni really needs to enable ssh for when he's not at home 17.26.16 Part megal0maniac_uni 17.30.28 Quit franklin (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 17.31.08 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 17.34.55 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@c-a2e470d5.010-215-7570701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 17.34.55 Quit n1s (Changing host) 17.34.55 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 17.43.08 Quit petur (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 17.57.19 Join steffengy [0] (~quassel@p5088F5CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.00.19 Quit steffengy1 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18.03.44 Quit sakax (Quit: Leaving) 18.20.50 Quit franklin (Quit: Leaving) 18.22.13 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 18.25.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.25.58 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision df99ef2, 253 builds, 30 clients. 18.27.08 # saratoga, :) 18.27.30 # maybe the backlog of patches needs to be cleaned up before the next release... 18.27.45 # someone else needs to review plugins, I've never done anything with them 18.27.56 # <[Saint]> I love the way people keep talking about a release. 18.28.55 # If there is a next release... or we call dev builds a "release" 18.30.56 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 298 seconds. 18.34.01 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 18.35.48 Quit maruk1 (Quit: Leaving.) 18.37.25 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 18.43.27 # Still all green :) 19.10.21 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-178-161.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 19.16.34 Quit Xerion (Quit: ) 19.43.05 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 19.43.10 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 19.44.43 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19.48.34 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g225255242.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.57.48 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@pool-108-29-132-68.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) 20.07.19 Quit ygrek (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 20.07.48 # I think Gerrit #808 is VERY useful... It makes disktidy actually recurse into directories 20.07.50 # 3Gerrit review #808 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/808 : 3Fixed disktidy bug and added a couple of new features to disktidy. by Richard Burke 20.25.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.27.53 # yup, disktidy has been broken for way too long.. it's quite a useful plugin 20.28.50 # If you want it to get in master, ask saratoga 20.39.49 # So, will it be called 3.14 or 4.0? 20.40.34 # Probably 20.40.50 # Probably what? 20.41.21 # Yes, it will probably be called 3.14 or 4.0 20.42.25 # <[Saint]> Carried over from *-community: 20.42.36 # <[Saint]> Can people PLEASE stop bitching about gerrit reviews? 20.42.45 # Sorry... :) 20.42.45 # <[Saint]> People review what they know, when they can. 20.42.49 # :| 20.42.51 # :( 20.43.28 # BTW, Einstein's birthday is march 14th... :P 20.43.46 # <[Saint]> If no one reviews your task, it doesn't mean you're getting ignored. It most likely means no one feels confident enough to review it, due to it not being their area of expertise, or a multitude of other reasons. 20.44.09 # It's not my task... 20.44.21 # Pointing it out as very useful... 20.44.35 # <[Saint]> Its interesting that you believe I'm talking about you directly. 20.44.39 # <[Saint]> Guilty conscious? 20.44.47 # lol 20.49.58 # <[Saint]> TheSeven: regarding release (not the I strongly believe it would happen any time soon anyway, regardless), I believe you're rather correct. 20.50.08 # <[Saint]> Now would not be an ideal time. 20.50.29 # <[Saint]> So soon after such an extensive change. 20.55.45 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@91-66-52-228-dynip.superkabel.de) 20.55.45 Quit kugel (Changing host) 20.55.45 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 21.00.21 # what change? 21.00.31 # FAT change 21.00.43 # change is FAT? 21.01.12 # filesystem driver 21.01.22 # File Access Table lol 21.01.34 # I just re-read the conversation in #rbc 21.01.57 # well last time it wasn't a good time because of JdGordon's theme engine modification 21.02.03 # seems like it will never be the right time 21.04.07 # <[Saint]> Close, but, not quite. 21.04.16 # <[Saint]> It was actually worse than that. 21.04.41 # <[Saint]> It was a WIP submitted to gerrit that kicked that off... 21.04.50 # <[Saint]> That was a weird day. 21.06.36 # <[Saint]> Nothing actually hit the codebase, its not like we were in a freeze, and it still sparked a "Hey, could you not? 'Cos...(mystical) release." response. 21.07.06 # When? 21.07.25 # <[Saint]> Its not important. 21.07.32 # Yay just got the cip+ 21.07.43 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 21.09.51 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 21.11.03 # How do I know if I have clip+ version 1 or 2 21.11.41 # Is it new? 21.11.55 # Yes I just got it from Amazon 21.12.07 # The clip comes in v1 and v2. The clip+ doesn't 21.12.12 # <[Saint]> Its irrelevant. There's no such thing. 21.12.18 # Do I pick clip+ or clip v2 21.12.22 # clip or clip+? 21.12.25 # oh sorry 21.12.26 # clip+ 21.12.28 # didn't read 21.12.46 # There's only one clip+ 21.12.50 # Oh okay 21.12.52 # Thank you 21.12.57 # That 2048 /doesn't run on 21.12.59 # :) 21.13.29 # <[Saint]> Man that was an odd question: "Do I select my actual device, or, some completely different one?" 21.13.30 # Says mount point does not exist .. 21.13.48 # <[Saint]> That likely means you've not read the manual and it isn;t in the correct USB mode. 21.13.58 # Ahh I see 21.14.24 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 21.16.53 # btw can I get the RB clip+ to play in my car via usb> 21.21.23 Join lleeloo [0] (~lleeloo@37.215.170.25) 21.36.44 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 21.39.41 # still have the same problem: undefined reference to `find_first_set_bit' 21.39.54 # Pull a fresh copy? 21.40.00 # lleeloo: I think you'll have to use the builtin version 21.40.06 # You'll get the new 2048 plugin, too 21.40.30 # :) 21.40.30 # It's not referenced in the core in certain builds which causes it to be discarded by the time it links other libs 21.40.43 # But the newest builds all work 21.41.04 # http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi 21.41.05 # when I changed some stuff, I had exactly that problem 21.41.09 # top row is all green 21.41.23 # need !defined(__thumb__) for builtin version. in my case __thumb__ defined =( 21.41.24 # some of the errors below were that 21.41.29 # (except for the usual offenders) 21.42.40 # lleeloo: our version is better than GCC's though 21.43.11 # But it works! 21.43.12 # No error 21.43.18 # For me at least :) 21.43.51 # leeloo: if you made a really effient thumb version for that ASM, remove the __thumb__ exclusion 21.45.23 # unless it's not compatible with v4 or something you'll have to change the __thumb__ part of that statement to be more particular 21.46.29 # so, changing firmware/include/bitarray.h could bring it back into the core since that selects the builtin for ARM v5 or higher as it is 21.46.45 # i just little modify ffs.S look at this http://pastebin.com/HK9iirZ1 21.49.39 # oh, now i understand what do you mean=) I will try to change firmware/include/bitarray.h 21.49.45 # you might just want the built in version ... 21.51.04 # ... && (!defined(__thumb__) || ARCH_PROFILE == arch_profile_m) 21.52.11 # done. thank you for fast reply. now all OK 21.52.29 # I suspect if it's that simple __builtin_ctz would just inline a few instructions, making it more efficient anyway 21.52.41 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.53.47 # will GCC allow overriding the builtins? 21.58.25 # i don't know 21.59.59 # I think we override the division routines hmm 22.03.48 # hm, why i can't use a buildin version of __builtin_ctz? 22.03.52 # the gcc __builtin_ctz just ends up calling __clzsi2, which is rather shitty 22.04.16 # lleeloo: you can, which will probably inline a few instructions (which you can verify with objdump) 22.04.28 # I just suggested doing so 22.05.07 # change to ... && (!defined(__thumb__) || ARCH_PROFILE == arch_profile_m) in system.h 22.05.42 # ok, i will try... 22.05.47 Quit ikeboy (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 22.10.13 # with (!defined(__thumb__) || ARCH_PROFILE == arch_profile_m) in system.h works fine 22.10.38 # thanks ones more 22.14.20 # TheSeven, how do I add a new boot option to emCORE? 22.14.49 # franklin: by modifying the boot menu app. for testing I'd just use emCORE's USB debugging interface though 22.15.02 # * TheSeven suggests to move this discussion to #freemyipod 22.16.34 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 22.18.34 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 22.20.22 Quit GodEater (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 22.25.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.07.35 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.20.50 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 23.34.44 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23.42.15 Quit lleeloo () 23.42.32 Join lleeloo [0] (~lleeloo@37.215.170.25) 23.52.10 Quit ender (Quit: Where there's a will, there's an inheritance tax.)