--- Log for 21.08.114 Server: verne.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 day and 23 hours ago 00.01.48 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 00.06.32 # TheSeven: 00.06.38 # sorry 00.07.38 Quit DormantBrain (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.08.20 Join DormantBrain [0] (~andy@74.112.200.73) 00.08.25 Nick DormantBrain is now known as SuperBrainAK (~andy@74.112.200.73) 00.11.48 Quit krabador (Quit: Take the time.) 00.12.51 # TheSeven: here's a capture of an HP laser mouse being plugged in + used for a few minutes: https://mega.co.nz/#!fkU1TSBC!u9-5NquhcpX_JcLvWpSXDPPS_UdmdMI-L_0eAqwLzAU 00.12.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.13.31 # not sure if that is of much use 00.13.39 Join krabador [0] (~krabador_@unaffiliated/krabador) 00.13.39 Quit krabador (Client Quit) 00.13.51 # it would be better to compare with a PP-based ipod or something, which runs very similar firmware 00.14.05 # otherwise you'll have way too many differences to chase that turn out to be completely irrelevant 00.14.07 # (Which I don't have :) 00.14.16 # ask someone to do a dump then? 00.14.28 # there are enough people with PP ipods here I think 00.14.39 Join krabador [0] (~krabador_@unaffiliated/krabador) 00.14.55 # who? [Saint]? 00.15.06 # He says he has every iPod... 00.17.57 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00.20.16 # he likely has some PP one, yes 00.20.40 # So I'll wait... :) 00.24.30 Quit franklin (Quit: Page closed) 01.11.21 Quit Rower (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.30.42 Quit charlie (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 01.32.09 Join charlie [0] (~c@unaffiliated/charlie) 01.32.51 Quit ender` (Quit: Variables won't. Constants aren't.) 01.40.12 Quit charlie (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 01.54.29 Quit TBCOOL (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 01.55.31 Join TBCOOL [0] (~tb@c-3d96e555.09-273-73746f44.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 02.11.11 Join charlie [0] (~c@unaffiliated/charlie) 02.12.36 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 02.12.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.16.02 Quit charlie (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.19.16 Quit kuldeepdhaka (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02.21.08 Join charlie [0] (~c@unaffiliated/charlie) 02.35.31 Quit robertd (Quit: Page closed) 02.41.17 Quit krabador (Quit: Take the time.) 02.54.14 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-071-105.triad.res.rr.com) 02.55.03 # Does someone here have a PP iPod? 03.00.04 Quit AlexP (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.01.48 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 03.11.06 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-234-11.mcn.bellsouth.net) 03.12.16 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 03.28.27 # Does someone here have a PP iPod? I need to see what USB packets it sends in an HID connection. 03.34.08 # franklin: you need to read up more... HID is a usb spec which has nothing to do with which device you're talking to 03.36.53 # JdGordon, but it works on PP iPods, but not on Classic 03.36.58 # or nano2g 03.39.10 # I just need a wireshark dump to compare with the one I get with the classic 04.01.18 # does wireshark even work for that? 04.02.53 # yes it does. 04.08.52 Quit RiD (Quit: A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.) 04.12.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.16.12 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.16.12 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.16.12 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.16.14 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.16.16 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.16.16 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.19.59 # JdGordon, on linux only with usbmon kmod 04.33.06 Quit franklin (Changing host) 04.33.06 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@unaffiliated/franklin) 04.33.23 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 04.34.20 Quit franklin (Quit: Leaving) 04.34.41 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@unaffiliated/franklin) 04.44.13 # scorche|sh, the forums are slow right now 04.51.23 Quit franklin (Remote host closed the connection) 05.01.31 Nick SuperBrainAK is now known as DormantBrain (~andy@74.112.200.73) 05.05.07 Nick DormantBrain is now known as SuperBrainAK (~andy@74.112.200.73) 05.13.11 Join steffengy [0] (~quassel@p5088F8FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 05.16.27 Quit steffengy1 (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 05.47.56 Quit ikeboy (Quit: Leaving) 05.53.33 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 05.54.43 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.13.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.46.13 Nick Guest76939 is now known as olspookishmagus (~pookie@snf-137798.vm.okeanos.grnet.gr) 07.05.40 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 07.19.02 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07.25.42 Join kugel_ [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 07.26.50 Join mortalis [0] (~kvirc@213.33.220.118) 07.33.04 Quit kugel (Quit: leaving) 07.33.13 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 08.13.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.13.56 Join kuldeepdhaka [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 08.41.26 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.50.06 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 09.00.08 Join petur [0] (5bb7304d@rockbox/developer/petur) 09.11.28 Join Zagor [0] (~bjst@80.239.169.202) 09.11.37 Quit Zagor (Changing host) 09.11.37 Join Zagor [242] (~bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.22.54 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@giant.haxx.se) 09.34.01 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 09.40.09 Quit Provel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.43.02 Join Provel [0] (~Provel@75-132-25-180.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 10.10.38 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.13.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.35.03 Quit kuldeepdhaka (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 10.38.16 Join kuldeepdhaka [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 10.47.03 # who still has a Gigabeat-S ? 10.47.28 # <[Saint]> ...fuckin' no one. 10.47.39 # <[Saint]> jhMikeS, apparently. 10.47.51 # * gevaerts has one somewhere 10.50.30 # I got my hands on a Zune 30GB (first generation), and it appears to be *very* similar to the GigabeatS 10.51.16 # however the tools for firmware patching the beast are a bit of a mess 10.51.20 # * gevaerts nods 10.51.44 # Some people see the beast as a prototype for the zune 10.51.45 # also, it uses the same update mechanism based on MTP as the ZEN * 10.52.21 # since my plan is still to make RBUtil work with MTP, I might also have a go at the beast and also the zune at the same time 10.54.49 # gevaerts: if you don't use yours, would you mind lending it to me when I begin working on the MTP installer ? 10.54.49 # <[Saint]> Isn't the Beast a cock to recover? 10.55.04 # <[Saint]> By way of it committing suicide if you look at it wrong. 10.55.22 # pamaury: Sure. I'll try to dig it up tonight, and then we'll figure out how to get it to you 10.55.23 # <[Saint]> Or is that no longer the case? 10.55.36 # it has a pretty complicated boot procedure, but as long as you don't touch the bootloader it can recovery itself 10.55.47 # [Saint]: it's easy to recover, because you get a lot of practice :) 10.55.55 # <[Saint]> :)) 10.56.41 # the only point which of uttermost importance is to never, ever flash a nk.bin file with too small size, in which case you would overwrite the bootloader and possibly (surely ?) brick it. 11.20.20 Quit ender` (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.20.36 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 11.51.26 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 12.04.24 # <[Saint]> ...too small? 12.09.31 Join krabador [0] (~krabador_@unaffiliated/krabador) 12.13.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.46.00 Nick SuperBrainAK is now known as DormantBrain (~andy@74.112.200.73) 12.51.10 # yeah the bootloader uses the size of the image to determine if it should put it on the harddrive or the flash, small images go to flash and overwrite recovery 12.51.21 # does that look broken by design ? ;) 12.53.38 # <[Saint]> Ahhh...so, what, does the rb bootloader just add N padding? 12.54.40 # <[Saint]> Hmmm. Guess its not quite so trivial. 12.55.04 # <[Saint]> I would look, but, I tried yo do some work earlier and my brain gave up. 12.55.23 # <[Saint]> Stupid flu. 12.55.47 # you don't even need to because what matters is the "virtual" image size, which has nothing to do with the actual size 12.56.00 # yeah WinCE binary formats are just completely crazy 13.04.01 Quit kuldeepdhaka (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 13.15.53 Join kuldeepdhaka [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 14.13.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.27.41 Join Riiiis [0] (5ab84a3a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.184.74.58) 14.28.19 # Hey guys, I need to install rockbox on a bunch of Sandisk Sansa Clip+ devices 14.29.01 # but when i connect the player and windows has installed various drivers, the rockbox installer can't find the device 14.29.20 # I've tried on 3 different windows boxes now, same result. What could i do wrong? 14.30.28 # Riiiis: make sure the clip+ is in MSC mode and not MTP 14.30.37 # how do i set that? 14.31.10 # found it 14.31.17 # thanks! i hope that will solveit 14.32.49 Quit ranmachan (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 14.33.38 Join ranmachan [0] (~ranma@yumi.uguu.de) 14.35.36 Join lleeloo [0] (~lleeloo@178.125.172.17) 14.42.12 Join RiD [0] (~RiD@2.83.12.42) 14.42.30 Join PaulFertser [0] (paul@paulfertser.info) 14.46.32 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 15.04.29 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 15.10.25 Quit Riiiis (Quit: Page closed) 15.14.30 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.31.41 Quit RiD (Quit: A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.) 15.52.03 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 15.57.56 Join Rower [0] (husvagn@h176n2-aeg-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com) 15.58.19 # is there a setting to make the h300 line-out fixed, independent of the volume control? i just searched through the manual, but line-out wasn't mentioned 15.58.31 # (so i guess there's no setting for it :) 16.00.23 Part LinusN 16.12.29 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@c-68-43-2-35.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 16.12.29 Quit jhMikeS (Changing host) 16.12.29 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 16.13.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.14.19 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@pD9EEB0B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.19.21 Join kuldeepdhaka_ [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 16.22.02 Quit kuldeepdhaka (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16.25.18 Quit kuldeepdhaka_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16.27.23 Quit efyx__ (Quit: Quitte) 16.33.53 Quit lleeloo () 16.37.10 Join kuldeepdhaka_ [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 16.58.50 Quit Zagor (Quit: Clint excited) 17.15.59 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@c-4eea70d5.010-215-7570701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 17.16.00 Quit n1s (Changing host) 17.16.00 Join n1s [0] (~n1s@rockbox/developer/n1s) 17.33.48 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 17.47.56 Quit kuldeepdhaka_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 17.48.33 Quit petur (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 18.13.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.14.25 Quit krabador (Quit: Take the time.) 18.18.51 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18.35.26 Quit Rower (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 18.38.06 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 18.41.48 Join kuldeepdhaka_ [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 18.46.38 Nick kuldeepdhaka_ is now known as kuldeepdhaka (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 18.46.59 Quit kuldeepdhaka (Quit: Leaving) 18.47.58 Join kuldeepdhaka [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 18.48.13 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@89.204.138.161) 18.48.13 Quit kugel (Changing host) 18.48.13 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 19.03.37 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 19.17.23 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 19.17.32 Join krabador [0] (~krabador_@unaffiliated/krabador) 19.22.07 Quit kuldeepdhaka (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19.23.32 Quit kugel (Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) 19.25.41 Quit krabador (Quit: Take the time.) 19.26.17 Join krabador [0] (~krabador_@unaffiliated/krabador) 19.33.49 Join kuldeepdhaka [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 19.46.32 Join ZrZ [0] (~RzR@82.236.136.171) 19.46.34 # hi 19.46.54 # do you know about Samsung YP basic usb mp3/oga player ? 19.46.58 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 19.48.13 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-178-161.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 19.48.51 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19.50.04 Quit bluebrother^ (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 19.50.16 # ZrZ: what is the name of the player ? 19.50.47 # or are you asking for a recomandation ? 19.51.08 # YP-U2R ZB/XEF 19.51.14 # EAN=8808979896172 Ref=AH69-01705C 19.51.46 # that's an old player, wait a second 19.52.45 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g225255026.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.53.55 # yes old enough to be bricked without remorses 19.54.06 # yeah, it's basically impossible to port rockbox to it 19.54.14 # i knew that 19.54.24 # but i was wondering what was inside 19.54.32 # the SoC is STMP3550 19.54.51 # it's a super strange 24-bit DSP with general purpose instructions 19.55.19 # and it uses raw NAND Flash 19.56.21 # great let me note this down 19.57.28 # I have the service manual for it 19.57.30 # with part list 19.57.44 # and some schematics 20.02.54 Join y4n [0] (~y4n@unaffiliated/y4ndexx) 20.03.38 Quit kuldeepdhaka (Quit: Leaving) 20.04.28 Join kuldeepdhaka [0] (~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka) 20.13.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.31.36 # pamaury: unsure i'll use them 20.32.18 # what software does it support ? 20.41.18 # ZrZ: what do you mean, which software ? 20.47.21 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 20.49.21 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) 20.49.34 # to build the firmware ? 20.49.47 # since I guess there is OS on it 20.51.50 # it's all propriertary software, it was probably built using the Sigmatel STMP3500 SDK 21.09.04 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 21.09.53 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) 21.13.46 Join lleeloo [0] (~lleeloo@37.215.35.109) 21.14.40 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 21.16.51 Join RiD [0] (~RiD@2.83.12.42) 21.19.03 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) 21.19.21 Quit Provel (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21.19.37 Join Provel [0] (Provel@75-132-25-180.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 21.23.36 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 21.24.29 Quit krabador (Quit: Take the time.) 21.25.36 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) 21.33.13 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 21.42.13 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) 21.51.53 Nick DormantBrain is now known as SuperBrainAK (~andy@74.112.200.73) 22.08.35 Quit y4n (Quit: AMIGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAA) 22.08.59 Quit ender` (Quit: printk("; corrupted filesystem mounted read/write - your computer will explode within 20 seconds ... but you wanted it so!\n"); -- /usr/src/linux/fs/hpfs/super.c) 22.13.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.14.58 Join krabador [0] (~krabador_@unaffiliated/krabador) 22.28.18 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@unaffiliated/franklin) 22.29.11 # Does anyone have a non-classic/n2g iPod with RB? 22.35.34 # franklin, I had the Nano 1G with rockbox 22.35.42 # hmm, ok 22.35.48 Join rockboxuser [0] (2ed09d82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.208.157.130) 22.35.58 # can you do a wireshark usb dump on linux with HID enabled? 22.36.15 # Can Plugin2048 work on the Fuze+? 22.36.23 # "I had the Nano 1G with rockbox" 22.36.28 # rockboxuser, I wrote it so yes :) 22.36.32 # Fell onto carpet and died somehow 22.36.34 # ParkerR, ah... 22.36.50 # rockboxuser, It works on anything but the recorder+player] 22.36.54 # I have it still but havent been able to ressurect it 22.37.08 # rockboxuser, why do you ask? 22.37.35 # thanks franklin. is plugin 2048 in the latest dev build 22.37.40 # yep it is :) 22.37.56 # thanks I try it out. 22.38.06 # have fun and report any bugs ;) 22.38.34 Quit rockboxuser (Client Quit) 22.38.36 # * franklin thinks 2048 is the best plugin in Rockbox now, besides DOOM 22.39.00 # NAAAH 22.39.04 # boomshine 22.39.27 # boomshine is terrible in my opinion... 22.39.37 # :( 22.39.57 # 2048 is much, much better :) 22.40.13 # boomshine is just too, well... lua-ish 22.40.55 # * franklin just dislikes interpreted languages when they are used for "production" roles 22.40.57 Nick SuperBrainAK is now known as DormantBrain (~andy@74.112.200.73) 22.41.51 # ParkerR, 2048, DOOM, and superdom are my top 3 22.46.01 # TheSeven, how do I set the piezo in the S5L to "on" and "off"? 22.46.20 # (or can I?) 22.46.27 # huh? 22.46.59 # The way it is in the piezo driver is that it sets a timer that does it 22.47.09 # (setting the current to the piezo on/off) 22.47.28 Quit ZrZ (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 22.47.35 # you mean manually controlling the piezo's GPIO pin or what? 22.47.41 # Yes 22.47.45 # Exactly that :) 22.48.13 # this isn't actually a piezo btw, but a little speaker 22.48.25 # not sure if it would survive getting a DC high signal 22.48.45 # Well, my goal is to play PCM audio 22.48.45 # and I also don't know which GPIO pin it is, but I think that can be figured out with some tricks 22.48.55 # i.e., without headphones 22.49.11 # using a timer seems much more adequate for that than bitbanging the gpio 22.49.24 # you'll need a very high speed pwm 22.49.33 # How could I dump PCM data to it? 22.50.23 # for each PCM sample, adjust the PWM width accordingly 22.50.26 # There's a related patent here: https://encrypted.google.com/patents/US5054086 22.50.35 # (expired, thankfully) 22.50.40 # I doubt that the result would really be useful though 22.51.16 # So, how do I do it? 22.51.53 # check what the GPIOs are doing, which ones are changing and which ones are constant 22.52.09 # then start the piezo timer and check which one of the ones that was previously constant is now wiggling 22.52.14 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 22.52.30 # if there are multiple candidates, repeat until you only have one overlapping one 22.52.48 # or if you want to do the timer PWM, set the prescaler to minimum 22.53.12 # set the wraparound limit to 256 or so 22.53.39 # then, sample by sample, set the PWM on time (duty cycle) to the high byte of the audio sample 22.53.54 # From the piezo timer? 22.54.01 # *timer callback 22.54.05 # could be possible to use a DMA channel to automate that somehow, but that would probably need a more in-depth understanding of the SoC 22.54.31 # no, you don't need IRQs on that one at all. in fact those would be killing you. 22.56.18 # Or could I do it from the PCM callback? 22.56.55 # you'll either have to use an e.g. 22kHz timer IRQ to drive that, or do it in a realtime thread 22.57.07 # in any case you'll have audio dropouts as other tasks compete for the CPU 22.57.28 # And how do I get the PCM data? 22.57.50 # no idea 23.00.06 # If I want to do it in a realtime thread, how would I get it started when the audio starts? 23.04.28 Join sakax [0] (~sakax@unaffiliated/sakax) 23.09.40 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 23.14.05 # <[Saint]> Hmmmmm. 23.14.34 # <[Saint]> I have no idea where I should put a setting to clear ouyt the database. 23.14.38 # <[Saint]> *out 23.14.49 # So you want suggestions? 23.15.12 # <[Saint]> Not particularly. Just thinking out loud. 23.15.18 # Settings->General->Database->Clear Database - duh! 23.15.48 # ;) 23.16.17 # <[Saint]> Nah. I'll drop it in the Database context menu. Itsa got no business being in settings as its not a setting. 23.16.51 # But there are many non-settings items in the settings menu: "Initialize now", "Update Now" 23.17.00 # (especially under database) 23.17.15 # <[Saint]> On an entirely unrelated note, you spelled Für Elise wrong. 23.17.26 # Fuer Elise 23.17.30 # :P 23.17.38 # <[Saint]> And, sure, but just because someone else put some settings in querstionable places doesn't mean I have to. 23.17.56 # <[Saint]> Even Fur Elise 23.18.01 # <[Saint]> is acceptable. 23.18.03 # haha 23.18.08 # <[Saint]> Never seen it spelled with an e though. 23.18.34 # ue is a perfectly correct way to spell German ü 23.18.44 # <[Saint]> The latter is just for those that can't be bothered/don't know how to type an umlaut. ;) 23.18.44 # " commonly known as "Für Elise" or "Fuer Elise"" 23.18.51 # There's no good reason not to spell it ü though :) 23.18.55 # franklin: no! 23.19.01 # Those are *exactly* the same! 23.19.10 # Have you even listened to it? 23.19.11 # No "or" involved! 23.19.18 # (my piezo version) :) 23.19.24 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 32.0/20140818191513]) 23.20.07 # Ok [Saint], happy now? 23.20.10 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,48458.msg229353.html#new 23.23.01 # gevaerts, [Saint], quit picking on people that don't have the weird keyboard you guys have :P 23.23.09 # <[Saint]> Some of the notes sound quite wrong. The pitch is fine, but the amplitude sounds off. There are many parts of Für Elise that are _extremely_ delicate, and others that are very, very forceful. 23.23.12 # franklin: I'm using a US layout 23.23.44 # [Saint], it's from an internal speaker! 23.23.45 # üßa! 23.23.52 # *üßä 23.24.00 # :) 23.24.58 # [Saint], does it sound different on different iPod models? 23.25.11 # <[Saint]> Yes. Immensely so. 23.25.24 # <[Saint]> The pitch varies wildly. 23.25.27 # BTW, have you listened to the SMB theme? 23.26.05 # <[Saint]> No. 23.26.13 # You should :) 23.26.31 # <[Saint]> I'm sure I'll live. 23.26.59 # No you'll die of boredom if you don't 23.27.51 # So, which iPod models play high/low compared with the classic? I'd like to add some pitch correction 23.28.16 # <[Saint]> You couldn't possibly do so. 23.28.29 # <[Saint]> The piezoi varies wildly even between iPods of the _same_ model. 23.28.34 # Just like multiplying the frequencies by a certain constant 23.28.38 # Oh what... 23.28.43 # Ah 23.28.43 # <[Saint]> Yep. 23.28.53 # * franklin blames Apple 23.29.08 # * franklin blames Foxconn 23.29.17 # * franklin forgives Apple 23.29.25 # * gevaerts doesn't see the point of making devices that have a decent audio chip produce bad audio 23.29.34 # haha 23.29.52 # As [Saint] never says, "for grins" :D 23.30.07 # You can also make your ipod make a noise by dropping it on various types of floor from various heights 23.30.52 # Very interesting idea 23.31.43 # * franklin wonders if there is any way to control the volume of the piezo 23.37.25 # franklin, if you ever run out of useful things to add to rockbox, i have a list... ;) 23.37.35 # haha go ahead :) 23.37.59 # I like how you say "useful" 23.38.15 # As if playing music through a piezo isn't useful :( 23.38.45 # that sentence above implemented that what you do *is* useful 23.39.00 # well, sure :) 23.39.07 # What I do... 2048? 23.40.22 # ok, yeah, what is the list? 23.41.08 # well, for example, there's this thing that could be awesome to have - http://www5.zippyshare.com/v/24671817/file.html 23.41.31 # it's a BBE-like audio enhancement, the people were good enough to give their schematics away for free 23.41.50 # (they're out of business now ;) 23.43.31 # another thing that comes to mind, a setting "return to wps", automatically from any screen, after a given time 23.44.03 # Like you push a button and it goes back? 23.44.11 # there was a patch for something like that on the old svn system, but only for the quickscreen 23.44.26 # I don't understand 23.44.44 # So you want it so that when the user holds down a button for a certain amount of time it goes to WPS? 23.44.58 # nah, without pressing a button - automatically. you set a time in seconds and when you don't interact with any buttons, you get returned to the wps 23.45.01 # <[Saint]> I believe he means an idle timeout 23.45.05 # yes 23.45.29 # <[Saint]> could piggyback off the existing idle timeout setting. 23.45.29 # Ah 23.46.00 # I have no idea how to do this efficiently (i.e., without polling with a thread) 23.46.01 # someone created it for the quickscreen only - http://pastie.org/9492860 23.46.28 Join ploco [0] (dce9b7f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.220.233.183.249) 23.46.58 # well, no idea :) 23.47.48 # <[Saint]> It almost certainly didn't get in because its rather silly. 23.47.57 # <[Saint]> Just press Play tweice, from anywhere. 23.47.58 # I mean, for one screen it's easy, but for every screen... 23.48.05 # Exactly 23.48.28 # <[Saint]> One press jumps back to main, second press jumps to the WPS. 23.48.59 # Maybe he means from plugins? 23.49.21 # <[Saint]> And if you're not in a position to be able to do that, that probably also means you're also not in any position to actually be able to appreciate the WPS. 23.51.31 # <[Saint]> It almost certainly didn't get in because its rather silly. <-- yes, and saratoga commented back then that it would be useful when made global, not just quickscreen specific 23.51.57 # <[Saint]> I'm not even convinced it would be useful globally. 23.52.07 # <[Saint]> Just because its saving two button presses. 23.52.09 # i would very much like it 23.52.51 # dicking around at the supermarket checkout cause i'm in god-knows-what menu while the lady talks to me is annoying :) 23.52.56 # <[Saint]> If it was actually difficult to enter the WPS, I might agree. But unless you're in a plugin, you're saving two keypresses. 23.53.01 # usually i then yank out the cable 23.53.10 # <[Saint]> No matter where you are in the menu. Two keypresses will get you back to WPS. 23.53.40 # yeah, that's two too much, sometimes 23.53.49 # <[Saint]> o_o 23.54.28 # Actually, it is for me: my play button needs a *ton* of pressure to work 23.54.48 # maybe that's it? your play button is broken? :) 23.55.03 # seeing the wps as the default state of the interface makes sense to me, an optional idle timeout would probably not hurt anyone - especially since the sleep timer is already in place 23.55.37 # I am opposed to this idea... just too annoying to go back to where you were 23.56.21 # hence the magic word "optional" 23.56.45 # like "party mode" and "stereo setup", and all that other stuff 95% of people never use 23.56.46 # ;) 23.57.11 # hmm... who wants to program this? 23.57.24 # * franklin pushes [Saint] forward as volunteer