--- Log for 05.10.114 Server: rajaniemi.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 13 days and 0 hours ago 00.06.12 Quit nk2032 () 00.40.51 Quit [Franklin] (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.43.59 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.46.46 Join [Franklin] [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-039-006.triad.res.rr.com) 00.49.13 # * [Franklin] gives up on wolf for now... 00.49.28 # <[Franklin]> perhaps something REALLY simple 00.49.31 # <[Franklin]> xeyes? 00.51.30 # * [Franklin] obviously sucks at porting 00.52.06 # <[Franklin]> perhaps a checkdisk plugin? 00.52.12 # * [Franklin] really needs that 00.53.49 # <[Franklin]> or this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,42476.0.html 00.53.52 # <[Franklin]> as a TSR plugin? 00.58.23 # <[Franklin]> or I could always fix XRick up 01.06.15 # <[Franklin]> Does yield(HZ/1000) do any good? 01.06.21 # <[Franklin]> sorry, sleep(HZ/1000) 01.07.08 # define "good" 01.09.18 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 01.20.41 Quit varogami1 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 01.24.04 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 01.24.19 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 01.25.33 Quit ender` (Quit: Live your Life in such a way that the Westboro Baptist Church will want to picket your funeral.) 01.32.36 Join efyx_ [0] (~efyx@98.201-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) 01.34.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.34.30 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 33.0/20141002185629]) 01.34.57 Quit efyx (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 01.35.02 # <[Franklin]> gevaerts: does it do anything useful? I know it syncs to tics 01.35.24 # <[Franklin]> here's the whole code: 01.35.25 # <[Franklin]> void sys_yield(void) 01.35.25 # <[Franklin]> { rb->sleep(HZ / 1000); /* sleep 1 ms */ rb->yield(); 01.35.26 DBUG Enqueued KICK [Franklin] 01.35.26 # <[Franklin]> } 01.35.43 # [Franklin]: what do you expect HZ/1000 to evaluate to? 01.36.15 # <[Franklin]> 0 01.36.21 # <[Franklin]> which syncs to tic 01.36.36 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@m180.dkm.cz) 01.36.50 # <[Franklin]> so it randomly sleeps between 0 and 10 ms? 01.36.54 # <[Franklin]> very useful. 01.38.13 # It's basically the same as yield() 01.38.52 # <[Franklin]> so I should just take it out? 01.38.58 # I can't imagine why you'd want to yield() twice 01.39.03 # <[Franklin]> Xrick code 01.39.15 # <[Franklin]> not mine :) 01.39.41 # Then you have your first review comment ready 01.40.14 # <[Franklin]> for the list?! 01.40.21 # <[Franklin]> ok, sure 01.40.29 # Wherever you like 01.40.39 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 01.40.39 # * [Franklin] is waiting for it to go on gerrit 01.40.52 # <[Franklin]> MUCH easier that way 01.41.04 # * gevaerts basically ignores the thing as long as it's not on gerrit 01.42.32 # * [Franklin] too 01.42.41 # <[Franklin]> till now 01.54.56 # * [Franklin] waits and sees if he's being blocked from the list 01.55.03 # <[Franklin]> nope! it worked! :) 01.56.36 # <[Franklin]> or did it? 01.58.36 # <[Franklin]> nope 02.02.04 # <[Franklin]> ugh... can't send to the list 02.09.07 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 02.35.14 Quit byteframe (Quit: Deuces.) 02.41.29 Join byteframe [0] (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) 02.44.17 # <[Franklin]> gevaerts: since the original author hasn't pushed his xrick code yet, could I start my own task for it on gerrit? 03.00.04 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 03.12.04 # <[Franklin]> weird... the hold button's not doing anything 03.12.09 # <[Franklin]> changes the GPIO though 03.12.19 Quit chrisb (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 03.12.26 # <[Franklin]> GPIO flips from FC to D4 when it's on, and vice-versa 03.12.32 # 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[Franklin]: You really should start with something simple. You produce lots of unnecessary buzz which really has no chance to yield anything useful. You should understand the basics of embedded programming first. There is a reason why we don't support C++ nor regular malloc. 09.46.10 # * [Saint] is still waiting for: 09.46.15 # <[Saint]> A - the Linux port 09.46.26 # <[Saint]> B: - the entirely new OS port designed from scratch 09.46.33 # <[Saint]> C - The A.I. 09.46.41 # <[Saint]> ...I'm sure there's more. 10.00.33 # [Franklin]: Everything in embedded world is a compromise unless we talk about recentish smartphones which are much more like real PC. 10.02.13 # [Saint]: could you please retest latest usb driver incarnation on 6g and n2g? It doesn't work on 7's ipod and I am interested if this is general or you have some super special device which does not have any problem. 10.09.05 # on emCORE or Rockbox? 10.11.01 Quit Misanthropos (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 10.15.49 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 10.18.25 Quit kugel_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 10.19.11 # copper: rockbox freezes on usb insertion on mine 10.19.54 # but only with wodz's driver changes, although I failed to find the cause 10.20.15 # I have an exam on tuesday, might be able to finally look into that afterwards 10.21.10 Quit steffengy1 (Remote host closed the connection) 10.21.20 Join steffengy [0] (~quassel@p57B49220.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.28.04 # you guys should have released Rockbox 3.14 after kugel's fixes to the theme engine 10.28.41 # now there's a whole new bunch of stuff that's more or less buggy, untested and / or unfinished, and it's going to drag on for months 10.29.58 # not that I don't appreciate all the work you guys put into it, but you really missed a good window of opportunity for publishing a new stable release 10.30.39 Quit steffengy (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.30.41 # before, I could just tell people to use HEAD 10.31.01 # now I have to tell them to use a specific build that I know to work, between 3.13 and HEAD 10.32.12 # <[Saint]> You say that like no one tried. 10.32.13 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@m180.dkm.cz) 10.32.22 # tried what? 10.32.26 # <[Saint]> Releasing. 10.32.35 # I'm not familiar with the process 10.35.12 # <[Saint]> We don't as yet have a nominated release manager, the one we _do_ have, has apparently left the project and not actually made the official. 10.35.49 # :-/ 10.36.17 # <[Saint]> Like, quite a few names, actually. 10.36.33 # ? 10.36.36 # <[Saint]> Daniel is the only one that's actually drawn a definite line in that sand. 10.37.18 # <[Saint]> People have been slowly falling off the project and neglecting to tell anyone whether ot not they would still like to be involved for a while now. Is what I meant. 10.38.52 Quit n1s (Quit: Ex-Chat) 10.42.43 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 10.42.46 Join steffengy [0] (~quassel@p57B49220.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.43.27 Quit steffengy (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.44.34 Join steffengy [0] (~quassel@p57B49220.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 10.46.32 Quit steffengy (Remote host closed the connection) 10.52.26 # [Saint]: I think most people of that kind would actually still be interested if they just had the time, but have completely lost track what's going on in the meantime 10.53.05 # I'm about to fall off that edge as well, which is one of the primary reasons why I'm trying to wrap up that ipod classic mess before that happens 10.53.19 # <[Saint]> Right. Good point. I guess would like to be involved is better changed to can actually be involved. 10.53.54 # :-( 10.59.28 # right now I have a dozen such projects waiting to be finished (with quite a bit of money invested in some of them), I'm going to have a fairly busy winter term at the university starting right after that exam, and I have a paid job that will take up quite some time from mid october to about the end of the year, not much time left :/ 11.00.08 # and in about a year or so I'll hopefully graduate, get a fulltime job, etc. 11.00.47 # I'm back to school myself 11.00.59 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.01.04 # with a minimum of 4 years 11.15.46 Join Misanthropos [0] (~Misanthro@frnk-5f742e4e.pool.mediaWays.net) 11.22.46 Quit jhMikeS (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 11.27.55 Nick evilnick_ is now known as evilnick (~evilnick@d54C37FA5.access.telenet.be) 11.28.03 Quit evilnick (Changing host) 11.28.03 Join evilnick [0] (~evilnick@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 11.32.44 Quit dys (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 11.34.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.37.58 Quit Misanthropos (Remote host closed the connection) 11.40.10 Join Misanthropos [0] (~Misanthro@frnk-5f742e4e.pool.mediaWays.net) 11.42.42 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-178-161.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 11.48.29 # lol, prices for the discontinued iPod Classic have exploded 11.48.33 Quit xorly (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.48.33 # 400-500 euros 11.48.44 # 550 11.48.53 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@m180.dkm.cz) 11.49.26 Quit Misanthropos (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 11.51.38 Quit xorly (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.52.04 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@m180.dkm.cz) 12.09.35 Join dys [0] (~user@2a01:1e8:e100:8296:21a:4dff:fe4e:273a) 12.10.05 Quit xorly (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12.11.43 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@m180.dkm.cz) 12.40.27 # why 12.42.00 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 12.54.49 # wow 12.55.09 # never thought mine would be worth more than i bought it for 13.09.11 Join Rower [0] (~husvagn@h176n2-aeg-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com) 13.12.32 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 13.14.52 # drvink: those are prices for "new" units 13.34.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.48.56 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 13.49.26 Quit Rower (Quit: Hmmm...) 13.50.32 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 13.54.54 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 14.02.33 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-211-71.mcn.bellsouth.net) 14.08.20 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 14.13.50 Quit xorly (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.15.20 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@m180.dkm.cz) 14.20.11 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 14.28.31 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@m180.dkm.cz) 14.58.35 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 15.34.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.42.29 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 16.05.29 Join Dynion [0] (4dac8371@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.172.131.113) 16.05.38 # Hey guys! 16.05.50 # i found something that may be interesting, but i'm left a little clueless 16.06.42 # is anyone accustomed to the red wine audio upgrade of the ipod 5.5g? 16.14.08 Quit n17ikh (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16.15.21 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 16.18.46 # <[Saint]> Snake oil. 16.22.15 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 16.23.29 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 16.24.47 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16.24.51 # how's that? 16.25.00 # a wolfson dac is pretty good... 16.25.15 # (not that a rockboxed classic isn't) 16.28.46 # <[Saint]> By all means, pay the ridiculous price and find out. ;) 16.36.36 Join AndChat|73761 [0] (~AndChat73@2601:6:8000:744:4c3f:5094:c4ac:f241) 16.37.42 Quit AndChat|73761 (Client Quit) 16.38.02 Join __saratoga [0] (~AndChat73@2601:6:8000:744:4c3f:5094:c4ac:f241) 16.38.43 # Dynion: the newer iPod Classic is actually better 16.38.48 # no bass roll-off 16.40.18 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 16.40.54 # Head-Fi is bloody cancer 16.41.26 # nvm. i found out the wolfson dac is standard. 16.41.32 # @ saint 16.41.33 # <[Saint]> A fukken. Men. 16.41.50 # im afraid u guys have been right i bit too much to disagree 16.41.58 # "standard"? 16.42.06 # common. 16.42.18 # one of u guys once said an ipod classic with rockbox is pretty much the best dap 16.42.36 # the Cirrus Logic DAC in the iPod Classic outputs pretty much perfect 16 bit performance 16.42.38 # <[Saint]> My assumption reading it is he or she thought the aforementioned snake oil added said DAC. 16.42.55 # http://redwineaudio.com/mods/imod 16.43.02 # ive recently listened to a fiio, and it barely beat my phone 16.43.12 # those classics just keep dying on me, sadly 16.43.24 # either headphone jack or harddisk. 16.43.45 # "5G / 5.5G iMods: Use of any other audio dock / cable may cause damage to amplifiers or associated equipment." 16.43.53 # "5G / 5/5G iMods require ALO Audio iMod dock cable*" 16.43.56 # that's brilliant 16.44.07 # yeah, and the cable costs 200 $ 16.44.09 # only $195 16.44.16 # in how many views is that a fraud 16.44.17 # total scam 16.44.25 # i received the same cable with my fiio e11 xD 16.44.46 # <[Saint]> But it didn't have irrelevant caps added! 16.45.15 # <[Saint]> Cos...black gate caps man...c'mon, they make everything better 16.45.17 # e11 was a disappointment too btw... rockbox spoiledme 16.45.27 # <[Saint]> They turned my opus into WAV 16.45.37 # <[Saint]> True story. 16.46.09 # "A richer, more seductive midrange" -> Norah Jones gets all over you 16.46.18 # *schwing* 16.46.24 # lmfao 16.46.34 # yeah...:P 16.46.55 # any advice on what to do then? sansa clip is a bit disappointing soundwise 16.47.05 # and ipod classics die on me all the time 16.47.10 # how? 16.47.19 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 16.47.20 # do you take them jogging? 16.47.34 # yeah 16.47.36 # jogging, cycling 16.47.50 # you're not supposed to take a heavy HDD-based DAP for jogging 16.48.16 # and i walk about 5 miles every day 16.48.39 # so headphone jack usually dies because of the constant movement 16.49.11 # I can't imagine how that would happen 16.49.24 # well... im left with mono-audio 16.49.30 # anyway, portability-wise, can't beat the Clip+ 16.49.57 # clip+ is a cool device, decent audio, and pretty much sizeless 16.50.15 # but the classic is such a huge improvement 16.50.20 # over what? 16.50.25 # sound quality 16.50.35 # not really, no 16.50.55 # <[Saint]> Yeah, no. Its really not. 16.51.00 # http://outpost.fr/rmaa/SanDisk_ClipPlus.htm 16.51.01 # i had a clip (without the +) 16.51.04 # http://outpost.fr/rmaa/iPod_Classic.htm 16.51.05 # <[Saint]> An improvement, sure. 16.51.11 # and the iPod has higher output impedance 16.51.11 # <[Saint]> A huge one? No. 16.51.28 # http://outpost.fr/rmaa/SanDisk_ClipPlus-SE425.htm 16.51.33 # http://outpost.fr/rmaa/iPod_Classic-Shure_SE425.htm 16.52.09 # is there a difference between clip and clip+? 16.52.21 # older and newer 16.52.24 # <[Saint]> Need moar A+B device rmaa overlays. 16.52.35 # because clip sounded like a lovely mp3, and classic like hifi to me 16.52.46 # <[Saint]> Looking at two images is for plebs. 16.53.12 # brb, got to go 16.53.22 # i'll try aniother sansa sometime 16.53.34 # <__saratoga> Clip and classic are basically identical, although the classic goes 2 db or so louder 16.53.37 # ill try & test another clip+ 16.53.51 # oops 16.54.12 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 16.54.18 # <__saratoga> Pretty much all well made devices will be the same these days 16.54.42 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 16.54.54 # <__saratoga> Low power audio DACs and headphone amps were figured out in the mid 2000s 16.55.03 # <[Saint]> Which is why its surprising the SanDisk players sound any good. ;) 16.55.27 # <__saratoga> So unless they screw up badly there won't be much difference 16.55.51 Quit efyx_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16.56.13 # <__saratoga> I guess some of the Sandisk players do have a bit of flash memory access noise which is annoying if you have very sensitive headphones 16.56.29 # <__saratoga> Although I haven't noticed that on the zip 16.56.30 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 16.57.14 # saratoga: bass roll-off and highish impedance still seems to be pretty common 16.58.06 # seem* 16.58.16 # <__saratoga> On newer stuff? 16.58.20 # sure 16.58.26 # smartphones, notably 16.58.45 # <[Saint]> Bass rolloff for sure. 16.58.56 # also, very low output (on smartphones, in the EU) 16.59.01 # <__saratoga> Qualcomm is 99% of everything sold in the us and they're low impedance 16.59.15 # <__saratoga> Don't know about elsewhere 16.59.18 # my Sony has a qualcom, and it's about 5 ohms 16.59.30 # and 0.135 Vrms max output 16.59.52 # <__saratoga> 5 isn't low? 17.00.03 # not low enough if you have stupid BA IEMs 17.00.10 # <__saratoga> Oh yeah 17.00.16 # <[Saint]> Indeed. 17.00.20 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 17.00.44 # <[Saint]> s/stupid/tot3z l337/ 17.00.50 # toads. 17.01.11 # <__saratoga> My n5 also has a pretty low maximum volume 17.01.21 # and my Poweramp on my Xperia Z1 produces random glitches during playback 17.01.39 # <__saratoga> I'm assuming they moved to a 1.8 v or even lower supply voltage 17.02.13 # case in point: it's 2014 but one still cannot trust modern devices for perfect playback 17.02.21 # except iPhones maybe 17.03.16 # (the Z1 is barely one year old) 17.03.27 # and the Sony Walkman app sucks ass 17.03.47 # I thought Sony was a bloody expert on portable devices for music? 17.03.52 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 17.04.24 # <[Saint]> No. Hey just made a lot of them. Like SanDisk. 17.04.29 # <[Saint]> *they 17.04.41 Quit kugel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.04.46 # Had me fooled. 17.04.59 # <[Saint]> Making lots of something and being an expert therein don't necessarily go hand in hand. 17.05.15 # they bloody co-invented the Compact Disc! 17.05.19 # <__saratoga> BAs are strange headphones though 17.05.36 # 30 years ago! 17.05.51 # <__saratoga> For even normal iems most phones are fine 17.05.52 # gapless, seemless, perfect playback 17.05.56 # 30 years ago. 17.05.56 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@91.65.145.38) 17.05.56 Quit kugel (Changing host) 17.05.56 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 17.06.24 # *sigh* 17.06.43 # <__saratoga> Gapless on CD was easy because its just one stream and tracks are implemented by jumping into it like a cue sheet 17.07.09 # <[Saint]> The constant skipping negated it anyway. 17.07.14 # <[Saint]> :p 17.07.28 # <[Saint]> (In a portable setting) 17.07.30 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 17.07.41 # <[Saint]> Portable optical media was just...gah. 17.07.48 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 17.08.09 Join efyx_ [0] (~efyx@91.176.85.227) 17.08.37 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 17.10.10 # also, Poweramp only shows one album when there are two albums or more in a list, with the same title 17.10.15 # e.g. "Greatest Hits" 17.10.16 Quit dfkt (Remote host closed the connection) 17.10.31 # and it still doesn't support Album Artist 17.10.41 # Google Play Music is useless 17.11.02 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@91.65.145.38) 17.11.02 Quit kugel (Changing host) 17.11.02 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 17.11.33 # and one has to suffer lag in album lists while smartphone music player apps load cover artwork 17.11.35 Quit __saratoga (Quit: Bye) 17.12.11 # now I remember why I didn't own an MP3 player from 2002 to 2009 17.12.15 # because they sucked! 17.13.31 # before 2002, they sucked too, but they were novel 17.14.26 # watching FiiO struggly with the firmwares of their audiophile MP3 players is like watching the evolution of mp3 players all over again 17.14.31 # struggly? 17.14.33 # struggling! 17.14.41 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 17.15.01 # struggle. 17.16.14 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 17.20.21 # why dont you guys make rockbox for fiio (except for it being a lot ofwork) 17.20.26 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 17.20.57 # except. 17.21.09 # seems like a more useful port than MPIO players for example 17.23.16 # people buying fiio's usually like audio quality, so rockbox may follow kinda naturally 17.25.00 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.25.26 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 17.33.42 Quit kugel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.34.22 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 17.34.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.36.17 Join Misanthropos [0] (~Misanthro@frnk-5f742e4e.pool.mediaWays.net) 17.36.56 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 17.37.24 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 17.40.36 # hmmm. thats a pity. Clip+ doesnt use SDXC 17.42.36 # Dynion: you have to format it as FAT32 17.42.44 # then it works 17.42.47 # wut? 17.42.53 # really? 17.43.11 # with the full 64gb? 17.43.16 # cause that'd be really awesome 17.44.41 # ah you're right... never thought that was possible 17.44.45 # 128 gb too 17.44.52 # err... not that you were right 17.44.57 # but that sdxc might work 17.44.58 # :p 17.45.14 # thanks 17.45.48 # are there any improvements from the clip sport vs clip + 17.45.56 # (probably not,but wont hurt to ask) 17.46.02 # it's actually much worse 17.46.16 # and practically unportable 17.46.36 # lol 17.46.37 # ok 17.46.43 Join franklin [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-039-006.triad.res.rr.com) 17.46.44 Nick franklin is now known as [Franklin] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-039-006.triad.res.rr.com) 17.46.46 # expected it to be practically the same deivce 17.46.54 # completely different 17.47.14 # thanks for the advice! i'll surely give it a shot, classics seem to be unsuited for my use 17.47.35 # give what a shot? 17.51.47 # clip+ 17.51.56 # sure 17.52.13 # after killing 6 classics in 2,5 year (ok, they were second hand, but still) 17.52.20 # <[Franklin]> Dynion: how? 17.52.24 # <[Franklin]> hard disk failure? 17.52.37 # another player may be better 17.52.44 # 1 doa 17.52.49 # * [Franklin] thinks classics are the best player 17.52.49 # 3 jack ports 17.52.52 # 2 hard disks 17.52.59 # <[Franklin]> FAST!!! 17.53.09 # i love the classic to franklin 17.53.14 # <[Franklin]> though Gigabeast S beats everything 17.53.17 # <[Franklin]> beast 17.53.31 # <[Franklin]> "GigabeaSt" 17.53.49 # <[Franklin]> apparently it has realtime APE c5000 playback 17.53.51 # <[Franklin]> :O 17.54.03 # i saw a h320 too, looks cool, but still 17.54.06 # hard disk and stuff 17.54.11 # gotta go though, dinner! 17.58.24 Quit Dynion (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 18.05.29 Quit Misanthropos (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 18.11.27 Join dfkt [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 18.25.51 Join DiaTommy [0] (5b3b3cdb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.59.60.219) 18.26.13 # Hey guys 18.26.43 # Is there a stable version of rockbox for YP-R0 ? 18.28.51 # And to @Lebellium : How can i downgrade 2.20 down to 1.25? just putting the rom file into the play wont work, it gives me an error when installing 18.29.59 # It's stable enough for a daily use 18.30.20 # do you mean rockbox or 2.20? 18.30.25 # rockbox 18.30.30 # well, 2.20 too 18.30.47 # hmm... 18.31.12 # I used rockbox about 6 Months ago on my YP-R0, it kept crashing 18.31.52 Quit kugel (Remote host closed the connection) 18.32.06 # then you should have reported the problem 18.32.20 # I could give rockbox another try if its better now 18.32.40 # nothing has been done for R0 over the last 6 months AFAIK 18.33.12 # anyway, why do you want to downgrade from fw 2.20 to 1.25? 18.34.09 # well, there are 2 problems: 18.34.16 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 18.36.00 # 1. The music i play sounds weird, there are parts of music which should be in other tracks in the track im listening and sometimes, it ends to soon and/or starts in the middle 18.36.19 # I listened to the music on windows, the files are not damaged 18.38.26 # 2. After some time, the player with just stop playing music, saying "couldnt find file" and crashs 18.39.06 # then, when i try to start it, it would stay at the samsung logo until the batterie dies and then it works 18.39.18 # maybe your filesystem is damaged 18.39.24 # but that has nothing to do with fw 2.20 18.39.28 # it's the same as 1.25 18.40.50 # you should format the device 18.43.58 # okay, ntfs? 18.44.15 # no way! 18.44.38 # you would never format a MP3 player in NTFS 18.44.42 # unless you want a brick 18.45.00 # it's FAT32 18.45.55 # oh okay, i have a unbrick-cable, that wouldnt be a problem :D 18.46.56 # Okay. 18.47.21 # Im gonna format it, put my music on it and test it, thank you 18.57.04 Quit Scall (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 19.03.22 # is it bad when i accidentally remove the player while formatting 19.03.29 # because i just did... 19.07.19 Join Scall [0] (~chat@unaffiliated/scall) 19.11.27 # lebellium? 19.13.50 Join jhMikeS [0] (~jethead71@rockbox/developer/jhMikeS) 19.34.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.43.23 Quit bertrik (Quit: Lost terminal) 19.44.10 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 19.49.32 Join Catelite [0] (~Deluge@Powder/Staff/Catelite) 19.49.43 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-128-102.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) 19.51.45 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 19.52.25 Quit Catelite` (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 20.14.35 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 20.14.40 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 20.14.41 Quit fs-bluebot (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.23.03 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g224236218.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.33.52 Quit Jinx (Quit: reboot) 20.44.21 Quit krabador (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.44.46 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 20.50.51 # apparently the AMSv2 PCLK really can be set to 120 MHz 20.51.13 # because with that patch, Vorbis decoding goes from 49.81 MHz to just 20.93 MHz 20.51.54 # probably due to that annoying MDCT optimization for PP that saves memory but makes memory access really random and cache defeating 20.55.44 Join Catelite` [0] (~Deluge@va-67-237-166-25.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) 20.57.58 Quit Catelite (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 21.02.32 Join juakol [0] (5531b1ec@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.85.49.177.236) 21.02.50 # hi 21.04.14 # i'm having problems with my clip+. it won't boot official firmware 21.05.40 # does it boot rockbox? 21.06.27 # yes 21.08.50 # no sansa logo appears by pressing power+left buttons 21.12.00 # it freezes and i have to reset it 21.14.59 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@89-75-106-114.dynamic.chello.pl) 21.16.34 # saratoga: Is mem bus derived from PCLK on amsv2? 21.17.29 # wodz: yeah 21.17.58 # saratoga: so 120MHz sounds reasonable 21.18.00 # juakol: I guess you could try to check the disk for errors in rockbox 21.18.11 # wodz: on v1 at least, 60MHz was the max in the datasheet 21.21.02 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 21.21.49 # saratoga: uhh, 60MHz is terribly low for clocking sdram 21.22.17 # its some internal memory 21.22.55 # still 21.23.16 # its either sram or sdram. For both 60MHz is low 21.23.50 # saratoga windows shows there are no errors to fix 21.24.38 # should I try on Linux? 21.24.54 # i don't think thats going to help 21.25.20 # sorry, no idea how to fix this 21.26.48 # could the sansa ams unbrick method fix the problem? 21.27.57 # I wouldn't try that 21.28.04 # yeah you'll probably just destroy the player 21.28.48 # *maybe* formatting the thing could help (this could be an issue with the OF's database or something like that), but if it doesn't you might also be in trouble 21.31.15 # do you mean to format internal storage? 21.31.23 # Yes 21.31.45 # ok im gonna try 21.32.17 # Make sure you reinstall rockbox immediately 21.32.38 # I *think* there's bootloader USB mode on the clip+ 21.34.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.38.12 # didn't work 21.42.51 Quit foolsh (Remote host closed the connection) 21.44.52 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 21.51.20 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 21.56.57 # i 21.57.35 # is there any way to access the nand files? 22.05.38 # NAND is just ones and zeros, no files there 22.06.06 # in this case though, the memory is SD, so you can't access the underlying NAND 22.06.19 # the unbrick method lets you have raw access to the the SD though 22.24.46 # lebellium? 22.25.14 # I accidentally removed my YP-R0 while formatting and it wont start 22.25.54 # I can't help you particularly 22.26.02 # that's IT in general, not rockbox specific 22.26.34 # hopefully the unbrick cable may help you 22.26.41 # saratoga i meant to restore the nand or something like that 22.27.03 Join kvieta [0] (~sneak.znc@149.255.100.107) 22.28.10 # you mean unbricking it? 22.28.19 # yes 22.28.20 # or just connecting? 22.28.29 # oh man... 22.28.54 # unbricking it will format both the user and the hidden memory 22.29.18 # Can i unbrick with win7? 22.29.32 # just read the tutorial 22.30.14 # again that's not rockbox specific 22.30.23 # and you are on the #rockbox channel 22.30.32 # oh, im sorry 22.30.59 # * [Franklin] keeps wondering how to add nicer animations to 2048 22.31.11 # <[Franklin]> 2 months now, and I still don't know how 22.33.16 Join Aldem [0] (~Aldem@unaffiliated/aldem) 22.36.47 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22.39.41 # <[Franklin]> ahh... perhaps I could just start out by drawing newly merged tiles 10% bigger? 22.41.37 # <[Franklin]> hmm... that seems like it could work 22.46.18 # <[Franklin]> how do I allocate the memory I need for the scaled bitmap? 22.47.49 Quit varogami1 (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 22.47.51 # either statically at compile time, or dynamically using the pluginlib malloc 22.49.46 # * [Franklin] thinks statically will be fine 22.50.01 # <[Franklin]> ahh... allocate the array first, then set the pointer in the struct! :O 22.54.02 # <[Franklin]> ahh... allocate the array first, then set the pointer in the struct! :O 22.54.05 # <[Franklin]> sry 22.56.33 # <[Franklin]> ahh... prefetch abort 22.57.57 # <[Franklin]> it'd be nice if I could get a stack dump 23.00.14 # <[Franklin]> any way I can? 23.02.21 # <[Franklin]> ahh 23.02.32 # <[Franklin]> compiler doesn't know the signature unless you include the header! 23.03.08 # * [Franklin] expected that was handled during linking 23.16.41 Quit nk2032 () 23.23.34 # <[Franklin]> weird... it's not scaling 23.24.28 # <[Franklin]> or if it is, it's not doing it right 23.26.24 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 23.26.59 Quit shamus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.28.10 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-193-180.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 23.29.06 # <[Franklin]> well... the scaled tiles look *terrible*! 23.29.30 # <[Franklin]> even just 10%! 23.34.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.38.25 # <[Franklin]> found that bug! 23.41.23 Quit juakol (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 23.46.34 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 33.0/20141002185629]) 23.48.10 # <[Franklin]> aww it's flickering 23.51.21 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.51.44 # <[Franklin]> ??? it's drawing the scaled tiles only on the left side??? 23.56.16 Quit shamus (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)