--- Log for 09.11.114 Server: asimov.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 10 hours ago 00.01.46 Quit kugel (Quit: leaving) 00.09.19 # <[Franklin]> foolsh: aww 00.09.26 # <[Franklin]> well, I'll email the guy 00.09.36 # <[Franklin]> *using gmail* 00.09.51 # <[Franklin]> :( 00.11.16 Quit Jinx (Disconnected by services) 00.11.48 # <[Franklin]> foolsh: could you get a youtube video of it running? 00.12.05 # <[Franklin]> (I need to show the guy something to impress him so he gives us permission) 00.12.17 # <[Franklin]> :) 00.12.23 # hang out I'm almost there 00.14.13 # <[Franklin]> gevaerts: how do you get that build script working? 00.14.21 # <[Franklin]> it says it needs tools/builds.pm 00.14.41 Join Jinx [0] (Dojo@unaffiliated/jinx) 00.16.22 # * [Saint] kinda hopes the author _doesn't_ giver permission so that a valuable lesson is learned here 00.22.13 Quit y4n (Quit: 6,000,000 ways to die — choose one.) 00.23.35 # <[Franklin]> [Saint]: what "valuable lesson"? 00.24.32 # <[Saint]> Oh...geee...I dunno, maybe a little something like that being the very first thing you should've done. 00.24.48 # <[Saint]> You've done all this on the assumption that the author will say yes. 00.24.54 # <[Saint]> If they don't...you're fucked. 00.25.03 # <[Franklin]> fair use :P 00.25.08 # <[Franklin]> (probably not) 00.25.24 # <[Franklin]> I doubt that he will sue 00.26.58 # <[Franklin]> if he does, well, that's a shame 00.27.27 # <[Saint]> I like your confidence that it would be committed if there's contention from the author. 00.27.41 # <[Franklin]> oh no... not even close 00.27.52 # <[Franklin]> so much to do 00.28.02 # <[Franklin]> it has keymaps for like 6 devices now 00.28.08 # <[Franklin]> and the menu's barely working 00.28.17 # <[Franklin]> and no mono support 00.28.19 # <[Franklin]> and no sound 00.29.18 # <[Franklin]> ohh... misread 00.29.18 # <[Franklin]> if it has contention, then too bad 00.29.26 # <[Franklin]> it's not going in 00.29.33 # <[Franklin]> what a shame it would be 00.34.35 # <[Franklin]> [Saint]: but that's unlikely. NewRAW and xworld authors have not been sued yet 00.35.13 # <[Saint]> I don't care who's sued who. If the author says "No, I'd prefer that not happen"...we don't do it. 00.35.13 # <[Franklin]> *yet* 00.35.19 # <[Franklin]> yes, of course 00.38.11 # <[Franklin]> Delphine Software is now defunct 00.38.41 # <[Franklin]> they won't be any trouble 00.42.26 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 00.50.28 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0/20141103144234]) 00.55.07 # <[Franklin]> argh... I can't send him email... "user is over quota" from the mail server! 00.55.13 # <[Franklin]> (his mail server) 00.56.39 # <[Franklin]> [Saint] just loves to crash the part 00.56.40 # <[Franklin]> [Saint] just loves to crash the party 00.58.58 # <[Franklin]> well, foolsh, is the youtube video up? :) 01.00.15 Quit alexbobp (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 01.00.27 # almost, almost 01.00.36 Join alexbobp [0] (~alex@capitalthree.pwnz.org) 01.00.45 # <[Franklin]> :D 01.00.58 # my phone is acting janky 01.00.58 Nick alexbobp is now known as Guest22131 (~alex@capitalthree.pwnz.org) 01.01.44 # it'snot much but shows some play 01.02.03 # <[Franklin]> what phone is it? 01.02.11 Quit Cinos (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 01.02.36 Nick Guest22131 is now known as alexbobp (~alex@capitalthree.pwnz.org) 01.03.20 # damn slugs keep killing me :) 01.03.28 # <[Franklin]> lol 01.05.06 Join Cinos [0] (Cinos@cinos.biz) 01.05.58 # it uploading to youtube now 01.08.22 Quit ender` (Quit: Why do people give each other flowers? To celebrate various important occasions, they're killing living creatures? Why restrict it to plants? "Sweetheart, let's make up. Have this deceased squirrel.") 01.09.20 # https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRP5PSAOK2I 01.10.05 # <[Franklin]> *NICE* 01.10.49 # turd needs polish 01.11.35 # <[Franklin]> yes, but it works! 01.11.45 # <[Franklin]> first, scaling 01.14.06 # nice 01.16.38 # <[Franklin]> ok... how do I do scaling? 01.16.51 # <[Franklin]> A. How much memory do I need for the framebuffer? 01.17.58 # <[Franklin]> I'm assuming that I can cast fb_data to uchar without any difficulty, right? 01.19.06 # I take it back the code input screen felt slow but the game play feels about right 01.19.45 # <[Franklin]> the code input is slow even on pc 01.19.50 # * foolsh wonders how scaling will affect the speed 01.20.04 # <[Franklin]> not much on fast targets 01.20.48 # its not scaling really stretching is more like it 01.20.56 # <[Franklin]> yeah 01.22.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.23.26 # <[Franklin]> ok scaling works for non-fuze now 01.23.40 # <[Franklin]> not sure about fuze 01.25.05 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-212-67.mcn.bellsouth.net) 01.27.05 # <[Franklin]> foolsh: scaling code for non-fuze is done 01.27.11 # <[Franklin]> fuze is up to you :) 01.27.15 # <[Franklin]> good night, gtg 01.27.19 Quit [Franklin] (Remote host closed the connection) 01.39.17 Join ikeboy [0] (~ikeboy@ool-435622d3.dyn.optonline.net) 01.44.42 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 01.54.36 Quit Provel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.58.04 Join Provel [0] (Provel@75-132-30-64.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 02.04.30 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 02.05.43 Quit krabador (Quit: Sto andando via) 02.06.30 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 02.25.51 Quit krabador (Quit: Sto andando via) 02.26.16 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 02.26.38 Quit krabador (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.00.00 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 03.22.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.22.59 # * foolsh was thinking, with franklin around, not to mention with my encouraging him, that /plugins/ might want to be split off from the main tree 04.28.47 # that get a little complicated when I think about it though, there's a lot dependencies between calls from some plugins and the rest of rockbox 04.33.18 # <[Saint]> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,48636.new.html#new 04.33.33 # <[Saint]> I can't help but laugh. 04.33.45 # <[Saint]> I know I shouldn't, but, that's classic... 04.35.37 # HAhaaahaa 04.36.09 # that sucks man 04.37.04 # <[Saint]> "It *is* a reset switch...you've just gotta wiggle it..a...little...*bzzzzzzap!*...see? Toldya!" 04.41.28 # I know what would work... nested git repos /rockbox/.git /rockbox/apps/plugins/.git, like I've seen in some other projects, but I can't seem to think of any at the moment :-/ 04.45.07 Join pixelma_ [0] (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.45.07 Quit pixelma (Disconnected by services) 04.45.08 Join amiconn_ [0] (amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 04.45.08 Quit amiconn (Disconnected by services) 04.45.09 Nick pixelma_ is now known as pixelma (pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 04.48.56 # <[Saint]> Android? 04.49.02 # <[Saint]> ala repo. 04.49.23 # <[Saint]> (and all custom ROMs by extension) 04.49.38 # * foolsh slaps forehead 04.50.03 # <[Saint]> Not sure if separate repos helps the cause, though. 04.50.20 # <[Saint]> Its not going to magically disconnect the ties between core and plugin. 04.53.10 # no it won't, but the core could sit above plugins, if we worked out plugins to be only dependent on the core and optional at compile time, sort of like how it is now, if you edit the configure file for your target 04.54.38 # then the hardware porters wouldn't need to pull down plugins 04.55.17 Quit ParkerR (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 04.56.22 Quit user890104 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 04.57.30 Join user890104 [0] (Venci@unaffiliated/user890104) 04.59.06 # could expand the configure script, so you could tick off the ones you wanted 04.59.50 # na thats to much work 05.08.48 # <[Saint]> The [Franklin] is contagious. 05.09.01 # <[Saint]> You're starting to fix problems that don't exist. 05.09.13 # <[Saint]> ...by making more problems! 05.09.30 # <[Saint]> (huh - in a way, I guess making problems does fix problems not existing...) 05.09.38 # <[Saint]> So...errr...carry on? :) 05.09.58 # LMAO! 05.22.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.24.23 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 05.45.24 Join ParkerR [0] (ParkerR@unaffiliated/parkerr) 05.52.40 Quit synergst` (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05.55.22 Quit [7] (Disconnected by services) 05.55.34 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.29.03 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-138-47.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) 06.30.29 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 07.01.50 Join dfkt_ [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 07.01.59 Quit dfkt (Disconnected by services) 07.02.14 Nick dfkt_ is now known as dfkt (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 07.13.07 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 07.13.26 Quit pamaury (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07.22.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.22.38 Quit ikeboy (Quit: Leaving) 08.01.05 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 08.31.57 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 09.22.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.42.43 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 10.06.52 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.51.19 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 10.53.46 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 10.57.12 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@i16-les01-ntr-212-194-176-149.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr) 11.10.32 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 11.22.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.54.50 Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@rockbox/developer/stripwax) 12.27.11 Quit stripwax (Quit: Miranda IM! 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I can't assign LCD_RGBPACK to a 24-bit fb_data 18.38.00 # <[Franklin]> ok fixed 18.50.40 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 18.51.26 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 18.51.31 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 18.51.32 Quit TheLemonMan (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18.51.51 # [Franklin]: cool it stats up on the e200, but needs the screen rotated 18.52.22 # I tried following what you done late night, but I couldn't see how to rotate it right away 18.53.08 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@unaffiliated/thelemonman) 18.53.19 # <[Franklin]> scaling now doesn't work on screens bigger than 320x200 18.53.21 # <[Franklin]> weird 18.53.47 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 18.55.14 # <[Franklin]> foolsh: you mean how to scale the rotated screen? 18.55.43 # or rotate the scaled screen ;) 18.55.55 # <[Franklin]> I have no idea :) 18.58.13 # rockboy know how 18.58.19 # <[Franklin]> ok fixed that bug :) 18.58.24 # <[Franklin]> (scaling on big screens) 18.59.05 Join dfkt_ [0] (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 18.59.14 Quit dfkt (Disconnected by services) 18.59.29 Nick dfkt_ is now known as dfkt (dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 19.00.20 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g231123013.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.00.24 Quit WakiMiko (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19.01.48 Quit TheLemonMan (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19.02.58 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-212-67.mcn.bellsouth.net) 19.03.24 Join WakiMiko [0] (~WakiMiko@unaffiliated/wakimiko) 19.03.29 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@unaffiliated/thelemonman) 19.05.13 # <[Franklin]> foolsh: there's no need to worry about overhead in scaling, as long as it takes less than 20 ms 19.05.29 # <[Franklin]> because if it takes < 20 ms, the VM will compensate 19.06.26 # <[Franklin]> (by shortening the time it sleeps between frames) 19.07.26 # I'm not sure I make heads or tails of the rotation scheme in rockboy/lcd.c 19.08.14 # but they use tiles, I'm sure, so it's a horse of a different color entirely 19.08.28 # <[Franklin]> foolsh: I think the best method is to scale to reversed dimensions (i.e. x=y, y=x), and then rotate 19.09.30 # <[Franklin]> foolsh: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1453033/transpose-a-2d-array 19.09.44 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-241-71.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) 19.10.00 # <[Franklin]> then you reverse x/y coords while drawing 19.11.31 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 19.11.44 # we'll yeah thats the idea of course, but not knowing enough yet is my problem ;) 19.13.10 # in-situ matrix transposition 19.15.23 # <[Franklin]> who said? 19.15.34 # <[Franklin]> you can use an extra array if you wish 19.15.39 # <[Franklin]> or an existing one 19.19.10 # <[Franklin]> foolsh: there needs to be a #define like VID_ROTATE 19.20.24 # * [Franklin] needs distcc 19.20.53 # <[Franklin]> I have a direct ethernet connection between the server and this machine 19.21.40 # you have a 12 core hyper threading box, why not just ssh in and work there? 19.22.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.22.45 # <[Franklin]> no gui 19.23.05 # <[Franklin]> I have the rockbox tree, but not my local tree 19.23.16 # <[Franklin]> so I'll get distcc 19.23.50 # <[Franklin]> and also, I can't get /etc/hosts to work with IPv6 for some reason 19.25.48 # it looks like I can transpose on read or write, this would save some memory by not creating another matrix to hold temp data 19.28.46 # <[Franklin]> aww distcc won't work with ipv6! 19.40.57 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@2a02:8109:9300:c74:110c:2946:697b:d095) 19.40.57 Quit kugel (Changing host) 19.40.57 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 19.46.12 # export your build directory with nfs and ssh in to the box, would be my solution 19.46.15 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 19.49.25 # <[Franklin]> foolsh: nah... I want distcc 19.49.33 # <[Franklin]> but it won't work for some reason! 19.49.51 # well then you can't have it can you!! :) 19.50.42 # <[Franklin]> it does support ipv6 19.50.46 # <[Franklin]> but I can't figure it out 19.50.47 # <[Franklin]> :) 19.56.28 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@82.158.1.206.dyn.user.ono.com) 19.57.24 Quit ikeboy (Quit: Leaving) 20.02.35 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@pD9EE84E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.07.36 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20.09.00 Quit [Franklin] (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 20.09.24 Join [Franklin] [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-039-006.triad.res.rr.com) 20.26.07 # <[Franklin]> foolsh: I did get distcc working!!! 20.27.15 # * gevaerts is thrilled to learn this! 20.27.22 # no he's not 20.28.43 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 20.31.08 # <[Saint]> Now..if only distcc offered any realistic improvements over a powerful monolithic server... 20.32.05 # ssshhhh 20.32.13 # don't spoil the fun 20.37.48 # * [Saint] feels bad for reset-hole-guy. 20.38.00 # <[Saint]> I wonder how more people don't make that mistake. 20.38.17 # <[Saint]> I could swear it was clearly labeled 'mic', but I don't have any around to check. 20.38.58 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 20.40.13 # lol 20.41.01 # uh 20.41.02 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 20.41.04 # where is it? 20.41.57 # aaaah 20.42.15 # just above the clip 20.42.47 # <[Saint]> right, in the worst place possible. 20.42.49 # * gevaerts never trusts small holes to be reset holes without confirmation 20.43.22 # <[Saint]> They're generally clearly labeled, and sometimes have the reset switch duration. 20.43.42 # yup 20.43.45 # <[Saint]> Like "Reset: Press and hold for 10s" 20.51.11 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-182-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) 20.53.17 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 20.53.38 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@82.158.1.206.dyn.user.ono.com) 20.58.35 Quit [Franklin] (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 21.08.07 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.10.34 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 21.19.21 Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@rockbox/developer/stripwax) 21.22.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.47.43 Quit y4n (Quit: coob ov vood?) 21.49.35 Quit lycide (Quit: greedo shot first) 21.52.09 Quit stripwax (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 21.57.49 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 22.03.55 Quit rela (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.18.22 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 22.33.23 Join stripwax [0] (~Miranda@rockbox/developer/stripwax) 22.40.42 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 23.00.30 Quit stripwax (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 23.00.33 Join fishman_ [0] (5771f21b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.113.242.27) 23.00.59 # How do I get Another World (Out of This World) on my Fuze+ ? 23.01.12 Quit fishman_ (Client Quit) 23.01.27 # <[Saint]> 13 seconds... 23.01.33 # <[Saint]> You fuck. 23.02.04 # he must have it all figured out then 23.13.47 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 23.16.54 # heh, franklin is calling lcd_clear_display every frame, not optimal since we blit to the framebuffer 23.17.20 # god and these effects 23.17.50 # negative? motion blur? I expect it to be hard enough to pplay 23.22.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.33.12 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 23.40.08 # <[Saint]> I have a hard time understanding why its even progressed this far without contacting the author. 23.40.22 # <[Saint]> When there's still the very real possibility that: 23.40.50 # <[Saint]> A - the author may remain uncontactable, or; 23.40.58 # <[Saint]> B - the author may just say no 23.41.12 # <[Saint]> writing any code at all seems like a massive gamble. 23.41.20 # *which* author, for starters? 23.41.38 # As I understand it, this is one of those engine vs data files things 23.44.21 # <[Saint]> Regarding which author, Fabien Sanglard, the "Fabother World" port author. 23.44.29 # <[Saint]> The one with the hilariously vague license. 23.44.52 # <[Saint]> "the spirit of GPL"...whatever the fuck that means. 23.45.05 # Right 23.45.12 Join n00b81|away [0] (~n00b81@unaffiliated/n00b81) 23.45.25 Part n00b81|away ("Leaving") 23.47.10 # the fabother world work and the newraw engine are under GPLv2, but it's franklin's inclusion of a bitmap that is in the air, one which I don't support but ultimatly have no control over 23.48.55 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: leaving) 23.50.07 # <[Saint]> Ohhhh. Hmmmm. Sorry, I think I'm confusing the xrick port. 23.50.31 # <[Saint]> That's in a similar place, but that's the one with the hilariously vague license, isn't it? 23.50.39 Quit ender` (Quit: I remember being impressed with Ada because you could write an infinite loop without a faked up condition. The idea being that in Ada the typical infinite loop would normally be terminated by detonation. -- Larry Wall) 23.51.16 # <[Saint]> Aha, yes, yes it is. 23.51.18 # <[Saint]> My mistake. 23.53.25 # :) it's ok 23.53.57 # * foolsh did his homework before shoving franklin in to the slave pits ;)