--- Log for 03.12.114 Server: morgan.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 14 days and 21 hours ago 00.00.32 Join stickyb1t [0] (~egon@cpc11-aztw25-2-0-cust22.aztw.cable.virginm.net) 00.06.17 # What is "internal_rom_000000-0FFFFF.bin" and why is it on my iPod? 00.08.12 Quit ender` (Quit: Why shouldn't truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain) 00.08.16 # You probably once played with the debug menu and selected "dump ROM" 00.09.13 # Well, no "probably" about it, really :) 00.10.02 # gevaerts: Thanks, 00.10.05 Quit ZincAlloy (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.10.18 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@pD9EEB340.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.11.03 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 00.14.54 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]) 00.17.42 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 00.24.13 Quit stickyb1t (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 00.25.15 Quit przemhb (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.33.00 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 00.38.05 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 00.44.22 Quit RiDD (Quit: A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.) 00.52.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.02.06 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 01.19.02 # would it be difficult to obtain a proprietary license for rockbox? 01.19.41 # <[Franklin]> near impossible 01.20.07 # what would anyone want that for anyways :P 01.20.11 # <[Franklin]> though you /could/ legally sell it 01.20.19 # <[Franklin]> orzo: why? 01.20.36 # you can legally sell it... along with full source code and a license to modify and/or redistribute free of charge under the gpl 01.21.18 # well i was thinking more of permision to borrow code into a larger code base of nonfree code that i don't want to gpl 01.21.35 # er, larger tghan the code i take from rockbox, not larger than rockbox 01.22.27 # <[Franklin]> that's exactly what the GPL is meant to prevent :p 01.22.34 # prevent without permision 01.22.50 # well you would need permission from everyone who contributed code to the project 01.23.13 # <[Franklin]> yeah 01.23.13 # why should one person in here be able to give you permission to steal the GPLed work of everyone else who contributed? 01.23.19 # <[Franklin]> but most are long-gone 01.23.32 # * [Franklin] would be the first to oppose 01.23.55 # me too... this sounds quite sketchy... 01.24.01 # heh 01.24.23 # orzo: is it a codebase you don't want to gpl because it's some other free license, or is it a codebase you don't want to gpl because you want it to be proprietary? 01.24.36 # because if it's the former... then I guess it's a tragic misalignment of licenses... it happens. 01.24.49 # if it's the latter, then that's exactly what people here probably don't want you to be able to do :P 01.24.55 # <[Franklin]> the latter... eh :) 01.25.26 # i'm not really serious 01.25.32 # just idly wondering 01.25.58 # <[Franklin]> so unless you can get in contact with all ~600 of the contributors and have them agree to relicense... 01.26.13 # some projets keep tidy lists of copyright holders 01.26.19 # <[Franklin]> so does rockbox 01.26.30 # <[Franklin]> rockbox/docs/CREDITS 01.27.02 # the problem isn't contacting all the contributors, the problem is that if even 1 says no you can't do it, and 90% of them will say no 01.27.08 # <[Franklin]> http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=docs/CREDITS;h=96a5b784bd560816d8e7dc92338587ba1510daee;hb=HEAD 01.27.35 # * [Franklin] can imagine a situation when micro$oft contacts all the linux contributors and buys their code :P 01.27.40 # well do they all have equal right to ever portion of the code base? 01.27.48 # not exactly. 01.27.53 # some projets keep per-file ontributer lists 01.27.54 # if the code you want has been in rockbox for a long time, then you could look at a historic version with a shorter contributor list :P 01.28.23 # but you can't just go with one file's contributors because that file is linking the other files in the project and is therefore bound by the GPL license on code written by other contributors 01.29.10 # <[Franklin]> orzo: rockbox kinda does, see git blame 01.29.36 # in other words if dev A writes the core system library and it's GPL, and dev B writes a little rockbox subcomponent, dev B can't unilaterally relicense even that subcomponent because it links other GPLed code 01.30.04 # LGPL would probably give you a little more wiggle room there 01.31.13 # i see 01.31.54 # if you can isolate someone's work from possibly being based on the work of other contributors, then you'd only need their permission 01.32.21 # but with the interconnectedness of a project like rockbox, the only realistic way I can think of to do that is temporally... aka picking an early version with fewer contributors 01.32.37 # but it's probably fruitless, I doubt even the original devs would be happy to relicense their code as proprietary 01.33.34 # i figure most open source authors are happy to be paid for proprietary licences 01.35.33 # <[Franklin]> orzo: oh no 01.35.37 # <[Franklin]> some, yes 01.35.54 # <[Franklin]> alexbobp: those especially wouldn't relicense :P 01.37.43 # orzo: believe it or not, people don't make open source firmware replacements for other people's mp3 players because they have dollar signs in their eyes 01.38.15 # <[Franklin]> some do :P 01.38.16 # this project is as deeply embedded in hacker culture as any you'll find 01.38.19 # <[Franklin]> but not me 01.38.25 # [Franklin]: heh well ok :P 01.38.50 # the impression I get is that this project exists because people were tired of how much proprietary firmwares suck, and in particular, often intentionally don't do what users actually want 01.40.56 # <[Franklin]> I'd guess that perhaps a third of the contributors would agree to be "bought out" 01.41.10 # <[Franklin]> the rest would either be vehemently opposed, or just unreachable 01.42.11 # now I wish I were a contributor just so I could be vehemently opposed! I'd have no say :P 01.43.45 # heh 01.44.00 # i think its silly to be blanket opposed 01.45.12 # my project isnt and never will be a firmware for mp3 players, its just an android app that maybe could have benifited in a minor way 01.45.25 # <[Franklin]> what were you hoping to do? 01.45.50 # <[Franklin]> alexbobp: just write useless game plugins :D 01.45.52 # orzo: will your android app be free? 01.45.57 # iduno, i notice that the native decoder is buggy with regards cergtain files that im sure rockbox would handle well 01.45.57 # orzo: or is this to benefit you in the wallethole? 01.46.07 # <[Franklin]> and open-source? 01.46.28 # [Franklin]: tempting but there's already a goban! 01.46.39 # <[Franklin]> alexbobp: quake 01.46.47 # <[Franklin]> tic-tac-toe 01.46.49 # heh 01.46.59 # [Franklin]: who wants a tic tac toe? 01.47.02 # obviously its not free, hence the dicussion's start 01.47.11 # <[Franklin]> orzo: as I said before, it's perfectly legal to sell an open-source program 01.47.20 # <[Franklin]> as long as the source is free as in freedom 01.47.29 # but anyway, i don't want to borrow code, i was just wondering idly if i should consider that feasible 01.47.40 # you shouldn't :P 01.47.44 # yeah 01.48.02 # * [Franklin] /would/ like to see more open-source android apps 01.48.09 # as for why people would be blanket opposed... should it surprise you that some people working on free software projects have strong philosophies about wanting their code to be free? 01.48.19 # franklin, are you familiar with f-droid.org ? 01.48.23 # and their package manager 01.49.11 # * [Franklin] thinks the world should be open-source 01.49.15 # <[Franklin]> not just android apps 01.49.45 # yeah, I wanna see proprietary apps crowded out of the market 01.49.57 # there *are* several open source android music players so I can't see why anyone would even bother with a proprietary one 01.50.00 # i'm pretty much the same way, but then i worked for a while in proprietary software, and now i have no work and need income and this android app venture seems like the most attractive option to me personally 01.50.01 # Yeah, me2. 01.50.13 # <[Franklin]> orzo: I understand 01.50.50 # So make a GPLed Android app using the Rockbox codebase and sell it on the Play Store. 01.51.06 # yeah that's true. plenty of people make GPL apps and sell them. 01.51.15 # I've seen ones that have a free version and a "donation" version that is exactly the same 01.51.27 # <[Franklin]> orzo: sell rockbox! 01.51.29 # and I've seen ones that just have a for-pay version and if someone else wants to make their own builds they can 01.51.40 # I purchased the Espeak TTS for my phone. I paid less than $2 USD for it, and I get all the benefits of the GPL as well. 01.52.03 # * [Franklin] saw an espeak port for rockbox 01.52.15 # <[Franklin]> that /would/ be nice to revive, but it's GPLv3 now 01.52.27 # i've built rockbox for android, it already supports it 01.52.33 # <[Franklin]> sell it 01.52.35 # seems to work well too 01.52.39 # I thought I read where permission had been given to complete the Espeak work. 01.52.55 # i've never even contributed to rockbox 01.52.57 # <[Franklin]> the-kyle: I know, it's a bummer 01.53.01 # apart from suggestions 01.53.03 # <[Franklin]> orzo: who said you couldn't? 01.53.48 # I once bought a sansa view for some random person in here. I forgot who. 01.53.56 # I dunno if that was a good idea. There still doesn't seem to be a view port xD 01.54.03 # <[Franklin]> lol 01.54.15 # There's just no other music player in the world that comes anywhere close to Rockbox. Problem is that on Android it doesn't support the TTS functions, nor does it work correctly with the Talkback screen reader. If one of these things worked, I'd buy it. 01.54.18 # it's too bad, rockbox for the view would be amazing... 01.55.00 # * [Franklin] really would love to see someone selling rockbox for a very low price on the play store 01.56.04 # well i'm near finish line for my app 01.56.15 # <[Franklin]> may I ask what it is/does? 01.56.17 # it doesnt make sense to change geers 01.56.44 # <[Franklin]> meh 01.57.34 # it is for playing audio books, i used to use rockbox, but my e280 broke and i've not replaced it. All the free android players were annoying to me so i built a non annoying one that is compatible with rockbox-made bookmarks and i intend to sell because i need money 01.57.58 # <[Franklin]> open-source it :P 01.58.06 # i may eventually 01.58.20 # <[Franklin]> you'll likely get /more/ people buying it for that reason 01.58.25 # I actually agree with your use case at least. I've been annoyed that no android player seems to be good at serialized content and saving your progress 01.58.35 # other than dedicated podcast apps but none of those seem to be able to handle a folder of mp3s 01.59.10 # I store audiobooks as 12Kb/s opus. Would the app handle that? Rockbox does, which is another reason I use it. 01.59.37 # <[Franklin]> rockbox handles everything sound-related 01.59.57 # <[Franklin]> and has a nice, growing selection of mediocre-to-amazing games :D 02.00.12 # does android's MediaPlayer play opus? 02.00.20 # the-kyle: that's kilobytes right? 02.00.38 # <[Franklin]> kilobits!? 02.00.43 # Kilobits 02.00.43 # [Franklin]: haha what game does rockbox have that's amazing :P 02.00.47 # and 12 kilobits is tiny! 02.01.00 # <[Franklin]> alexbobp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyU3h5g2DO8 02.01.11 # <[Franklin]> that video didn't have sound implemented yet 02.01.14 # <[Franklin]> now it does 02.01.20 # Yes, but with a framesize of 60ms, opus sounds awesome at that bitrate for voice recordings. 02.02.57 # if my app doesn't have full support for opus (it actually draws a waveform for fully supported codecs) but if android's MediaPlayer can handle it, it has usable partial support 02.03.13 # [Franklin]: it's also sideways :P 02.03.15 # what's this game? 02.03.21 # <[Franklin]> Another World 02.03.32 # the-kyle: really? interesting, I'll have to try 02.03.35 # <[Franklin]> read all about it: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,48586 02.03.46 Nick [Franklin] is now known as theunamedguy (~franklin@unaffiliated/franklin) 02.03.49 Nick theunamedguy is now known as [Franklin] (~franklin@unaffiliated/franklin) 02.04.37 # <[Franklin]> alexbobp: rotation wasn't implemented when the video was made, either 02.04.42 # <[Franklin]> but it is now ;) 02.06.08 # <[Franklin]> alexbobp: also, I really need testers for it before it's committed 02.06.09 # [Franklin]: I mean the camera :P it was a horizontal video of a device positioned vertically 02.06.25 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-229-162.mcn.bellsouth.net) 02.06.27 # <[Franklin]> you wanna test? 02.06.39 # I'd offer but I think I lost my clip zip and there's no way I want to try playing games on my fuze+ >_> 02.06.45 # getting a fuze+ at all was a mistake, god those suck. 02.06.59 # <[Franklin]> according to foolsh, it's really nice on the fuze+ 02.07.01 # I should look on craigslist for another player I like 02.07.05 # huh really? 02.07.08 # I guess I should try :P 02.07.12 # <[Franklin]> ask foolsh 02.10.24 # <[Franklin]> it should currently run on any player with a color screen and a horizontal stride 02.10.29 # <[Franklin]> (so anything but the mrobe500) 02.23.20 Quit rudi_s (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 02.23.59 Join rudi_s [0] (~simon@ruderich.eu) 02.25.57 Quit DrJedd (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.52.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.58.52 Quit [Franklin] (Remote host closed the connection) 03.24.47 Join przemhb [0] (~przemhb@89-71-179-236.dynamic.chello.pl) 03.29.15 Join CaptainKewl [0] (~captainke@207-237-110-248.c3-0.nyr-ubr2.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 03.32.23 Quit Geoff_0ijfng (Remote host closed the connection) 03.36.12 # alexbobp: What is [Franklin] testing? 03.38.57 # a port of some adventure game 03.54.49 Join przemhb_ [0] 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Something like: do { button = rb->button_get(true); if(/* check if actual button and not even*/) break; } 10.12.28 # while(1) 10.14.11 # maybe if(!IS_SYSEVENT(button)) 10.15.04 # the first thing u said will work forever(while(1)) or i missed something? 10.16.19 # and what do you mean saying "not even"? 10.19.50 # ? 10.21.46 Join Daaven [0] (~justin@72-160-170-132.dyn.centurytel.net) 10.24.17 Part Daaven ("Leaving") 10.35.56 # *not event 10.36.12 # no it's an infinite loop with a break in it 10.42.24 # ahh...i see... 10.43.07 # how to use kbd_inp 10.43.10 # ? 10.44.54 # i mean kbd_input 10.45.38 # rb->kbd_input(kbd_buffer, sizeof(kbd_buffer)); 10.45.42 # I guess 10.46.04 # where the buffer is where you want to get the data, and the sizeof() is the maximum number of characters 10.47.07 # how to make it write some default text? 10.48.11 # i mean that when it opens up(the keyboard) in some plugins i have a text showing on that i didnt write 10.50.50 # I don't know, I never ever write plugins so I'm clearly not the best person to ask, I'm not even sure it's possible atm 10.51.12 # or maybe just put something in the buffer before the call 10.52.40 # yeah apparently you can: 10.52.40 # strcpy(kbd_buffer, "my super string"); 10.52.40 # rb->kbd_input(kbd_buffer, sizeof(kbd_buffer)); 10.53.30 # also kbd_input returns a value, like 0 on success and <0 or !=0 if cancelled, something like thids 10.56.55 # can u give me a link with info about this func? 11.00.46 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@89-75-106-114.dynamic.chello.pl) 11.01.08 # pamaury: Looks like I have working sd on ATJ :-) 11.02.08 # natanelho: as far as I know, we don't have a proper documentation for this function (yeah that sucks), best way is to look at how other plugins work 11.02.12 # wodz: great news :) 11.02.18 # I'm looking foward the code ;) 11.03.19 # wodz: can you explain me how to use kbd_input? 11.04.01 # natanelho: no, I am lowlevel stuff guy. I try to not touch anything above drivers and such 11.04.20 # pamaury: I'll cleanup things a bit and push to gerrit 11.04.39 # natanelho: I gave you an example on how to use it though 11.07.18 # if i have a variable char[] named a, and i want it to hold the input from the keyboard, what to write? 11.10.06 # natanelho: http://pastebin.com/qyfKVQ9q 11.12.35 # after running it the variable "buffer" will hold the inputted string from the keyboard? 11.12.47 # yes 11.16.33 # what it returns if i close the kbd? 11.17.04 # like if i push the power button while running the kbd 11.18.15 # I think it returns -1 11.18.45 # and 0 on success 11.36.59 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 11.39.51 # pamaury: Could you point me to sd spec to see what is the meaning of SWITCH_FUNC response data? 11.41.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.43.34 # https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/pls/simplified_specs/part1_410.pdf 11.44.36 # heh, last time I touched sd stuff they didn't provide any public documents 11.47.50 # can i compile just 1 .c file without compiling all rock box? i mean regulary i have to use "make" and wait for it to complete compiling all the sources. can i tell it to compile only myplugin.c file? 11.49.23 # make only rebuilds changed files, so if that's really a problem you're probably doing something wrong 11.50.04 # But yes, you can run "make " 11.57.11 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 11.57.19 # ah thx 11.57.49 # how to usew atoi?wich lib should i include? 12.01.36 # it tells me "undefined reference to `atoi'" ehen i use it 12.04.30 # Have you looked what other plugins do? 12.05.03 # wich plugin uses it? 12.07.58 # nvm i found out how to use it 12.08.32 # i just re-wrote this func by myself 12.09.00 # how to install the zip i maked on my mp3? 12.19.51 # wodz: the "simplified" spec is public now, but some details are omitted as you can see 12.25.04 Quit lycide (Quit: greedo shot first) 12.26.32 Join lycide [0] (~kvieta@149.255.100.108) 12.26.49 Quit lycide (Client Quit) 12.27.13 Join kvieta [0] (~kvieta@149.255.100.108) 12.30.33 Quit wodz (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 12.38.56 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@unaffiliated/thelemonman) 12.38.56 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@89-75-106-114.dynamic.chello.pl) 12.44.25 # how to install the zip i got from "make zip" to my sansa? 12.45.31 # someone? 12.45.41 # mount your player via USB and extract the zip archive at its root 12.46.57 # thx 12.54.32 Quit natanelho (Quit: Page closed) 13.20.56 Quit greatwolf (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 13.28.35 Join greatwolf [0] (greatwolf@Off.With.Their.Heads.PanicBNC.com) 13.35.29 Quit greatwolf (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 13.40.46 Join greatwolf [0] (greatwolf@Off.With.Their.Heads.PanicBNC.com) 13.41.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.42.46 Join krabador [0] (~krabador_@unaffiliated/krabador) 13.44.46 Quit Water255 (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]) 13.54.28 Join chrisb [0] (~chrisb@li482-205.members.linode.com) 14.02.21 Quit krnlyng (Remote host closed the connection) 14.04.13 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@83.175.90.24) 14.11.25 Join GreyGhost [0] (3bb726af@gateway/web/freenode/ip.59.183.38.175) 14.16.37 Quit krnlyng (Quit: huiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii) 14.16.54 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@83.175.90.24) 14.28.18 # Hey guys quick question. I know it is more emcore related but no seems to be around at freemyipod channel.. 14.29.10 # I have a rockboxed ipod 6g which I haven't updated in a while. I see quite a bit of changes happened in emcore since. I'm on r868 So can I update rockbox to the latest nightly build like normal or should I first update emcore? (and if not.. will updating emcore have any advantages? Especially because I can't seem to find the latest emcore build either) 14.32.50 # emcore is completely separate to rockbox. You can upgrade both separately 14.33.27 # wodz, thanks :) 14.36.49 # Also thanks for the great work guys!! 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Had some stuff goin' on here for the past ~24h or so, "Real Life(TM)" (uuuuugh :-/) 21.55.19 # <[Saint]> Yes, it is quite definitely a buffer overflow. 21.55.21 # Hello. I've just install RockBox on Sansa Clip. It works OK but after changing font setting I can't do anything before text dissapeared from menus 21.55.43 # <[Saint]> przemhb: the margin is exceeded by quite some order of magnitude. 21.55.56 # hello Saint 21.55.59 # <[Saint]> przemhb: Are you able to compile Rockbox for Android yourself? 21.56.00 # I reinstalled rockbox several times but after reinstalling problem still exists 21.56.06 # good news - at least the problem was diagnosed 21.56.29 Quit ikeboy (Quit: Leaving) 21.56.32 Join saratoga_ [0] (123e1e19@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.62.30.25) 21.56.36 # [Saint]: I'm not sure wheter I still am 21.56.37 # algot: what do you mean? 21.56.42 # And I can't change font option because I can't see menu option items 21.56.52 # I have compiled it year or two ago 21.56.58 # <[Saint]> przemhb: If you are, you could apply http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/c/956/ 21.57.23 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 21.57.23 # <[Saint]> though I'm not /too/ happy about the approach this patch uses, it would fix your issue for the interim. 21.57.34 # saratoga: I mean that my menu looks empty but have cursor 21.57.49 # looks like player lost fonts 21.57.56 # <[Saint]> actually - we should probably just push that 21.58.22 # <[Saint]> saratoga_: would you have any immediate objection to pushing g#956 if you have the time? 21.58.23 # when I can find menu structure documentation to change font settings 21.58.26 # 3Gerrit review #956 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/956 : 3increase memorysize for Android build. by Chiwen Chang 21.58.33 # & 21.58.34 # ? 21.59.02 # <[Saint]> As it stands now, the default WPS can't fit in buffer...so, something's gotta give. 21.59.15 # <[Saint]> The patch given seems reasonable. 21.59.50 # <[Saint]> (even if the amounts allocated are largely arbitrary, modern smartphones should give narry a singular fuck about 8~32MB allocations) 21.59.51 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 22.00.25 # never think small 22.00.29 # https://plus.google.com/+youtube/posts/BUXfdWqu86Q 22.01.07 # <[Saint]> algot: are you familiar with our fine manual? 22.01.08 # that looks fine although i don't know much about android 22.01.16 # <[Saint]> algot: if not - you should be. 22.01.23 # probably though those devices have enormous memory compared to most targets 22.01.49 # I read the manual - I didn't find anything. I've just found what I needed in http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MenuLayoutDiscussion 22.02.03 # Sorry for troubling you 22.02.04 # <[Saint]> saratoga_: its not really Android specific - the long and the short of it is that every Android device has the same static buffer allocated, be it VGA, or XXHDPI 22.02.17 # should probably be made dependent on teh resolution 22.02.25 # <[Saint]> Which, understandably, is kinda silly. 22.02.33 # algot: you can edit the config.cfg file from your PC if you really screw something up 22.02.55 # <[Saint]> saratoga_: the solution presently is more of a solution to save having a massive clusterfuck of ifdefs. 22.02.56 # no idea what you did that made the fonts not work though, maybe set black text on black background? 22.03.39 # <[Saint]> saratoga_: it means that some targets might get allocated slightly more than they might need, but that's not /reaaaaally/ a problem. 22.03.52 # <[Saint]> The other alternative is a big list of resolution specific ifdefs. 22.04.01 # <[Saint]> (which I didn't really like the idea of) 22.04.29 # what about macro calculating bufersize based on resolution? 22.04.33 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 22.04.39 # <[Saint]> For 720p and above, it seems that the backdrop .bmp alone is enough to overflow the buffer. 22.04.45 # you provide resolution during build anyway 22.04.59 # <[Saint]> wodz: hmmm, that's a better approach indeed. 22.05.28 # LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH*[Saint factor] and you are set 22.05.58 # i was going to suggest something like memory = 16 + max(0, resolution-540)*const 22.05.58 # <[Saint]> I'm not surprised this happened at all to be honest, when this port was conceived, the biggest we had to content with was 480x800 22.06.11 # then it just goes up linearly from 16MB 22.06.45 # I don't know what happened. Maybe you are right. I'm the newbee in this firmware. I have fixed it yet. 22.06.55 # you could look in the config file and see what it says 22.07.18 # that patch seems ok for now, but long term something more flexible might be a good idea 22.07.47 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 22.07.53 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 22.08.07 # <[Saint]> right. 22.08.23 # the actual formula to derive the buffer is not that important. It should take resolution into account however as themes for hires screens are the biggest mem hogs 22.08.55 # <[Saint]> for now it just takes 3 subsets of resolution into account 22.08.55 # buffer for playback is mostly const at 8MB or something 22.09.09 Quit Jack87 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.09.18 # <[Saint]> 540 or less, 540~720, and 720 and higher 22.09.34 # <[Saint]> I think that's a reasonable compromise, but ultimately you're right. 22.09.35 # with 1GB+ memory in current phones this is really not a problem 22.10.17 # <[Saint]> right - would you have any objection to g956 being pushed in the interim, with the foresight to a more permanent solution? 22.10.35 # I don't care much about android honestly 22.10.59 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 22.11.00 # <[Saint]> as it stands now, cabbiev2 fails to load on anything 720p plus, perhaps even 540p under certain circumstances. 22.11.41 # <[Saint]> I had forgotten I had allocated a rather large slab of buffer in my local tree for testing purposes long ago. 22.12.04 # <[Saint]> after removing that it was pretty easy to see where it was falling over. 22.12.12 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@g224239089.adsl.alicedsl.de) 22.13.06 # <[Saint]> Chiwen Chang has a number of Android specific patches in gerrit that I should go through and formally review. 22.13.54 # <[Saint]> I'd like someone more low-level-y to comment on the DSP stuffs. (saratoga_? JhMikeS?) 22.13.57 Quit algot (Quit: Page closed) 22.14.34 # <[Saint]> Looks good to me, and works like it says on the tin. 22.15.15 # <[Saint]> g#967 is a weird one 22.15.19 # 3Gerrit review #967 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/967 : 3Android: resume_playback by long press on the back button. by Chiwen Chang 22.15.32 # <[Saint]> ...why on Earth would anyone want that to be a thing? 22.16.07 # <[Saint]> Every time someone violates Android policy on back button behavior, a cute little fluffy tabby kitten dies. 22.16.16 # <[Saint]> Do you _want_ kittens to die? 22.16.31 # Yes! 22.16.41 # <[Saint]> Well, then...carry on, I guess. 22.18.03 # http://koreananimals.or.kr/pic/rescue/080218/ice4.jpg 22.18.12 # see what you did? 22.19.08 # <[Saint]> That better not be dead kitties... 22.19.18 # <[Saint]> AH. d'Awwwwwwww. 22.22.01 Join Jack87 [0] (Jack87@nasadmin/admin/jack87) 22.35.02 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@pD9EEB6DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.38.40 Join [Franklin] [0] (~franklin@unaffiliated/franklin) 22.50.50 Quit petur (Remote host closed the connection) 22.53.21 # [Saint]: Thank you very much for your help. Now using RB on Android once again become easy ;) 22.54.00 # <[Saint]> Not a problem my friend. My apologies for not getting back to you yesterday about this. 22.54.35 # <[Saint]> Believe it or not I was just about to come looking for you when I received your PM. 22.54.46 # [Saint]: I must update my build environment (new NDK and SDK). Once I will have this ready I should be able to compile again. 22.55.11 # <[Saint]> If you need any help in this regard, let me know. 22.55.29 # <[Saint]> There's some necessary trickery to get Android building with a modern SDK. 22.56.17 # [Saint]: It's natural - we both were about to come and look for each other. I'm not surprised 22.57.50 # [Saint]: lot's of things changed since I last post a patch. I'm not familiar with gerrit, but it seems I will have to learn it. 22.58.24 # android uses /mnt/sdcard when other devices use //. I would rather android used the latter so sdcards could be swapped between devices 22.58.33 # when it saves bookmarks and playlists 23.00.37 # <[Saint]> What you're essentially asking us to do is mask the true path, just for the sake of bookmarks being swapped between devices (which I honestly don't think is a particularly large use case) 23.01.05 # <[Saint]> We don't just device what the path to external storage is going to be in Android... 23.01.26 # <[Saint]> s/device/decide/ gah - autocomplete 23.03.52 # <[Saint]> przemhb: on the gerrit page, there's a small section with a 'Download' header, with tabs for 'checkout|pull|cherry-pick|patch', and an icon to click to copy the resulting code into the pastebuffer. 23.04.12 # yeah that's what i'm asking 23.04.46 # i'm surprised others are so against the feature 23.04.51 # <[Saint]> If you want to work in a fashion you are probably familar with, you can select patch, and then append " > my_patch.patch" to the command it gives. 23.05.59 # <[Saint]> przemhb: so, from your git repository, you could do "git fetch git://git.rockbox.org/rockbox refs/changes/56/956/2 && git format-patch -1 --stdout FETCH_HEAD > patch.patch && patch -p 1 patch.patch" 23.06.21 # <[Saint]> or something to this effect. 23.06.50 # <[Saint]> If you're familiar with git, it becomes a whole lot easier, and the cherry-pick option would be the likeliest candidate. 23.08.22 # pamaury: (log) g#1060 23.08.25 # 3Gerrit review #1060 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1060 : 3hwstub/atj213x: lua module for SD access by Marcin Bukat 23.08.34 # <[Saint]> orzo: the thing is on Android we don't get to decide what the path to the external storage is. 23.09.40 # you decide what you read/write to files on disk 23.09.53 # there's not going to be a // path that is real 23.09.58 # <[Saint]> I guess there could be some magic added to derive the correct path from a bookmark on Application targets, but it seems a fair amount of work for a rather niche case (unless lots of people that use bookmarks aren't reporting this issue...). 23.10.17 # <[Saint]> No one would stop you from presenting a well formatted path set that added such functionality. 23.11.21 # well it is not consistent even between regular targets. Some have internal flash showing up as SD some not 23.12.09 # and what about bookmarks pointing to the files in internal storage then? 23.12.32 # <[Saint]> hum. right. 23.13.03 # <[Saint]> yeah - it doesn't entirely surprise me that bookmarks aren't portable. 23.14.06 # <[Saint]> its possible, I /think/, to get it right in most instances. but it requires someone sufficiently determined to actually do the work. orzo seems like a fine candidate. 23.14.35 # relative paths would somewhat make this work (but only to the point when you reference files from the same drive bookmark is on) 23.14.57 # [Saint]: Thank you. Cherry-pick - one more new thing to learn. 23.16.37 # same drive is typical though 23.16.38 # <[Saint]> Right. I actually mistakenly thought that bookmarks were using relative paths, ala playlists, but it seems no. 23.16.55 # relative paths is probably the most right 23.17.30 # <[Saint]> przemhb: http://gitref.org/ is a great resource for basic git tasks and terminology 23.18.06 # i figure relative paths in playlists should be relative to the playlist file path and relative paths in bookmarks should be relative to the bmark file 23.18.10 # <[Saint]> git is a very powerful tool, even for someone in their git-using-infancy 23.19.27 # <[Franklin]> almost too powerful 23.20.28 # <[Saint]> The good thing is, its very forgiving. While it may not always be immediately obvious, it is largely impossible to irreparably harm a git repository. 23.20.58 # <[Saint]> Though admittedly, sometimes it is simply quicker to nuke the fucker and start fresh than it is to recovery from your botched state. 23.21.29 # <[Saint]> But for the sufficiently determined, there's no such thing as an irrecoverable mistake in git. 23.22.16 # when i was in my git infancy i managed to damage my repo often enough 23.22.23 # it's certainly easier than with subversion 23.22.57 Join dunpeal [0] (~dunpeal@unaffiliated/dunpeal) 23.23.18 # <[Saint]> Heh. I know a /lot/ of people that would disagree with that statement. ;) 23.23.29 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 23.23.32 # Hi. I'm using a recent dev build with Sansa Clip+. Can I remap the function of the center button? 23.23.44 # <[Saint]> dunpeal: no. 23.24.10 # <[Saint]> Remapping any button requires editing the source and compiling a custom build 23.24.10 # [Saint]: hm. Can I at least disable it then? 23.24.14 # <[Saint]> No. 23.24.21 # <[Saint]> see above. 23.24.39 # git is better at not losing code in the long term 23.24.59 # orzo: better than what? 23.25.17 # subversion,cvs, and the proprietary crap i've used 23.25.29 # well, yeah. who uses SVN anymore. 23.25.34 # [Saint]: thanks. 23.25.37 # i used it before git 23.25.54 # sure, same as me, same as everyone. 23.26.06 # anyway, SVN = one central authoritative server 23.26.15 # <[Saint]> dunpeal: if you have a development environment set up, this is a fairly trivial change. 23.26.16 # so it's a one-link chain to lose you data 23.26.49 # with Git, every single clone contains all the data that the SVN master node contains. 23.27.08 # [Saint]: you mean, as in a patch that I can then contribute upstread? 23.27.12 # upstream* 23.27.14 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 34.0.5/20141126041045]) 23.27.18 # will something like that be accepted? 23.30.54 # [Saint]: how long the command you've gave me normally executes? I have ran it some minutes ago, but it seems to have stopped... 23.32.46 # <[Franklin]> dunpeal: yeah, just make changes and push to gerrit for review 23.33.04 # [Franklin]: k3w1, thanks 23.33.37 # <[Franklin]> useless game plugins usually stick around there for a bit :) 23.41.10 # <[Franklin]> otherwise, the review process is pretty speedy 23.41.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.42.36 # [Saint]: I've spotted little mistake - "<" was missing. Let's try to compile it... 23.43.47 Join chrisb [0] (~chrisb@pool-71-162-223-211.phlapa.east.verizon.net) 23.44.20 # <[Franklin]> hmm... what format does lcd_bitmap expect it's input to be in? 23.44.30 # <[Franklin]> more importantly, what stride? 23.46.31 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 23.54.43 # <[Saint]> przemhb: you'll probably get one or two compile errors regarding tools in the sdk not being in the locations we expect them to be (for historical reasons), but some simple symbolic links will fix that right up. 23.55.25 # <[Saint]> I al halfway though documenting building Rockbox for Android in a start-to-finish guide, and I haven't gotten to this step yet, so its not fresh in my mind. 23.55.52 # <[Saint]> But if you have difficulties, give me a yell with the specific error and it'll likely refresh my memory. 23.55.55 # [Saint]: Compilation succeeded, but make apk, resulted in error (aapt: command not found) 23.56.08 # <[Saint]> aha - right, sec. 23.56.34 # <[Saint]> try: 23.57.27 # <[Saint]> ln -s /path/to/adt-bundle/sdk/build-tools/17.0.0/aapt /path/to/adt-bundle/sdk/platform-tools/aapt 23.57.46 # <[Saint]> (obviously you'll need to edit those paths to reflect your environment) 23.58.42 # <[Saint]> Hum...sorry, I think we're using API19 now. 23.58.42 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: leaving)