--- Log for 21.12.114 Server: tepper.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 11 hours and 19 minutes ago 00.01.26 Join enyc [0] (~enyc@muddle.enyc.org.uk) 00.07.48 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 00.09.21 Quit y4n (Quit: Today is the perfect day for a perfect day.) 00.13.07 Quit ender` (Quit: The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.) 00.14.19 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 00.27.41 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@ip25055609.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 00.27.41 Quit kugel (Changing host) 00.27.42 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 00.29.13 Quit kugel (Client Quit) 00.32.39 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@ip25055609.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 00.32.39 Quit kugel (Changing host) 00.32.39 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 00.32.41 Quit kugel (Client Quit) 00.42.13 Join RiDD [0] (~RiD@bl22-56-171.dsl.telepac.pt) 00.42.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.54.07 Quit [Franklin] (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.55.51 Join [Franklin] [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-039-006.triad.res.rr.com) 00.59.40 Join sakax [0] (~sakax@unaffiliated/sakax) 01.35.38 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 01.49.40 Join williamtdr [0] (uid27909@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jhexrpludgughlxe) 02.05.18 Quit Zambezi (Remote host closed the connection) 02.16.11 Quit RiDD (Quit: A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.) 02.34.19 # [Saint]: Ug I can't even use that thing well enough to name a save file for rockboy, I alway name it aaaaaaa, and hope I can figure out how to "return from" instead of "exit from" the darn thing 02.34.52 # <[Saint]> y'know, we have a fine manual for that... 02.34.53 # <[Saint]> ;) 02.35.14 # I should just print it out and carry it around huh? 02.35.18 # :) 02.35.24 # <[Saint]> foolsh: but, honestly, are you seriously suggesting that either one of the alternate suggestions is any better? 02.36.10 # <[Saint]> multi-tap input, scrollwheel, or you (god I hope you were joking) Fuze+ touchpad suggestion. 02.36.42 # yes, in good humor obviously 02.37.19 # But it doesn't make the text input any more intuitive 02.37.31 # needs better text input 02.39.32 # works great for me. I can't imagine anything easier to use.. 02.42.03 # one does need a good keyboard layout, though. the default one has too many characters to be useable. 02.42.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.42.34 # this ^ 02.42.55 # easy fix. 02.44.42 Quit [Saint] (Quit: Quit.) 02.50.46 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) 02.52.12 Quit [Saint] (Client Quit) 02.54.56 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 02.55.24 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) 02.58.49 # <[Saint]> ZincAlloy: foolsh: I assume both of you are aware of custom .kbd files? 02.59.02 # <[Saint]> if not, its manual time. 03.00.09 Quit sakax (Remote host closed the connection) 03.00.28 # <[Saint]> ZincAlloy: foolsh: I assume both of you are aware of custom .kbd files? 03.00.29 # <[Saint]> if not, its manual time. 03.00.31 # <[Saint]> ZincAlloy: foolsh: I assume both of you are aware of custom .kbd files? 03.00.32 # <[Saint]> if not, its manual time. 03.00.33 Join the-kyle [0] (~kyle@kyle.tk) 03.00.42 # <[Saint]> eeek - really quassel? 03.00.49 # 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<[Franklin]> foolsh: argh 17.27.29 # <[Franklin]> the font is copyrighted too 17.27.34 # <[Franklin]> in video_data.c 17.29.29 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@unaffiliated/thelemonman) 17.40.23 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@i16-les01-ntr-212-194-176-149.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr) 17.46.13 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@53563CA6.cm-6-7a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 17.46.13 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 17.46.13 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 17.48.20 Join JanC [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 18.04.38 Quit bertrik (Quit: Lost terminal) 18.18.03 # <[Franklin]> foolsh: I'm thinking of using a Rockbox font 18.40.41 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-218-59.mcn.bellsouth.net) 18.42.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.23.52 # <[Franklin]> foolsh: I've got Rockfont converted into the format that xworld uses 19.24.02 # <[Franklin]> but... it's rotated 90 deg 19.27.54 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@53563CA6.cm-6-7a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 19.27.54 Quit bertrik (Changing host) 19.27.55 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 19.28.52 Quit Ketturi (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 19.38.39 Join lebellium_ [0] (~chatzilla@i16-les01-ntr-212-194-176-149.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr) 19.39.29 Quit lebellium (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 19.39.31 Quit [Franklin] (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 19.39.35 Nick lebellium_ is now known as lebellium (~chatzilla@i16-les01-ntr-212-194-176-149.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr) 19.41.00 Join [Franklin] [0] (~franklin@cpe-071-071-039-006.triad.res.rr.com) 19.42.21 # <[Franklin]> foolsh: alright, got that bug worked out 19.42.34 # <[Franklin]> now some way to load the original font 19.59.11 # <[Saint]> I'm willing to bet that people won't care too much about loading the original strings and/or fonts. 19.59.52 # <[Franklin]> but then there's those that are total fanatics about authenticity 20.01.09 # <[Saint]> yeah, that's true...and they're likely to be playing it. 20.01.40 # <[Franklin]> I don't think people care about the font, honestly 20.01.47 # <[Franklin]> but they might about the strings 20.02.06 # <[Franklin]> Rockfont looks ugly 20.02.26 # <[Franklin]> perhaps Fixed? 20.06.47 # <[Franklin]> ah... that's even worse! 20.09.55 # <[Saint]> all the bitmap Rockbox fonts look hideous in small glyph heights. 20.10.03 # <[Saint]> pick one, they're all terrible. 20.10.22 # <[Franklin]> 10-Fixed looks much better 20.11.00 # <[Franklin]> but 1 pixel too big in the code wheel screen 20.11.04 # <[Franklin]> I'll try 09-Fixed 20.11.13 # <[Saint]> clusterfuck multi-height/scalable antialiased fonts in there! 20.11.32 # * [Saint] runs 20.13.16 # <[Franklin]> ugh... 09-Fixed is too small 20.13.27 # <[Franklin]> currently 10-Fixed looks like the best option 20.14.59 # <[Franklin]> Saznami-Mincho is a quarter million lines long!!! 20.15.16 # <[Saint]> have a look at GNU-Unifont 20.15.22 # <[Saint]> you'll shit your pants. 20.15.53 # <[Saint]> that has hundreds of thousands of glyphs from memory. 20.16.09 # <[Franklin]> mincho is too narrow 20.16.37 # <[Franklin]> what font doesn't have serifs? 20.16.59 # Any sans-serif font! 20.17.06 # <[Saint]> derp. 20.17.20 # <[Saint]> 'sans' is a non-obvious word meaning, though, granted. 20.17.25 # <[Saint]> rarely used today. 20.17.30 # <[Franklin]> profont is /only/ 4400 lines long! :D 20.17.38 # <[Franklin]> size is relative 20.36.50 # <[Franklin]> ugh... lowercase 10-point chars look cut off 20.37.01 # <[Franklin]> I guess I'll stick with 08-Fixed 20.37.54 Join RiD [0] (~RiD@bl22-56-171.dsl.telepac.pt) 20.38.36 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 20.39.57 # <[Franklin]> or... perhaps I could mix the two 20.40.10 # <[Franklin]> take uppercase from 10-Fixed, and others from 08-Fixed 20.42.46 # maybe these will work for you? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,43286.0.html 20.42.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.44.05 # <[Franklin]> I'm trying to find ones that look like the original 20.44.11 # <[Franklin]> so they'd be about square 20.44.19 # ah. what's the original? 20.44.21 # <[Franklin]> 8x8 max size 20.44.38 # <[Franklin]> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=48586.0;attach=6585;image 20.45.02 # oh, very small 20.45.08 # maybe roll your own: http://www.pentacom.jp/pentacom/bitfontmaker2/ 20.46.00 # <[Franklin]> very nice! 20.46.42 # <[Franklin]> too bad it exports TTF 20.46.42 # <[Saint]> err...don't we have our own bitfont conversion tools? 20.46.52 # <[Franklin]> [Saint]: yes, but this is pretty nice too 20.47.07 # they convert nicely if you select the right size 20.47.20 # that's how I created mine ;) 20.49.10 # <[Saint]> convbdf and convttf are both pretty fundamentally broken. 20.49.32 # <[Saint]> I'm fairly confident there's a ttf2rb tool as well, though, that doesn't such. 20.50.29 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 20.55.31 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 20.56.31 # <[Franklin]> I'm making my own font hybrid since I can't find a single font that looks exactly like the original 20.56.44 # <[Franklin]> lowercase from 08-Fixed, all others from 10-Fixed 21.01.32 # or search for something suitable here: http://www.pentacom.jp/pentacom/bitfontmaker2/gallery/?order=recent many of these are public domain 21.02.48 # <[Franklin]> nah, I got this ;) 21.05.51 # :) 21.07.26 # <[Franklin]> just the lowercase looks terrible 21.07.29 # <[Franklin]> uppercase is fine 21.07.45 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p4FC119B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.09.30 Quit krabador (Quit: Take the time.) 21.12.15 Quit einhirn (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21.18.15 # <[Franklin]> ok, pushed that 21.20.11 # <[Franklin]> gevaerts: merge? 21.21.14 # * [Franklin] hopes he doesn't have to change the copyright to 2015! :) 21.22.59 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 21.27.54 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 21.39.14 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 21.43.51 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 21.47.53 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 21.50.17 Quit y4n (Quit: We're fucking 3LN!) 22.09.15 Quit lebellium (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.11.00 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@i16-les01-ntr-212-194-176-149.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr) 22.11.41 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 22.16.03 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 22.42.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.57.35 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.00.51 Quit TheLemonMan (Remote host closed the connection) 23.06.19 Join bertrik [0] (~bertrik@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 23.11.25 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 23.13.12 Quit thomasjfox (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 23.14.54 Quit bluebrother^ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 23.47.20 Quit ender` (Quit: I always wanted to have a job in construction or at a hardware store just so I could eat some pink cotton candy in front of someone in a situation that would make them think I was eating fiberglass insulation. -- Chris Hallbeck)