--- Log for 22.12.114 Server: tepper.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 day and 11 hours ago 00.16.04 Join krabador [0] (~krabador_@unaffiliated/krabador) 00.18.05 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.24.51 Quit bertrik (Quit: Lost terminal) 00.34.11 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 00.35.12 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 00.41.45 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 35.0/20141218174327]) 00.42.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.11.26 # <[Franklin]> would an 8x8 font be copyrightable? 01.11.52 # <[Saint]> why not? 01.11.58 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_protection_of_typefaces 01.12.29 # <[Franklin]> there's a small number of pixel arrangements that are legible at that size 01.12.50 # oh, you can be quite creative, despite the small size 01.13.11 # <[Saint]> Its highly questionable, and I believe it varies wildly by locale, but by my understanding typefaces are copyrightable, yes. 01.13.21 # but letter shapes themselves are usually not subject to copyright 01.14.00 # they may be protected by design patents 01.14.09 # <[Saint]> there's other considerations, I believe, like a typeface's name might be an RTM potentially. 01.14.22 # yes, definitely 01.14.36 # * [Franklin] doubts that is true for Another World 01.15.39 # <[Saint]> Aren't design patents exceedingly rare? 01.15.52 # <[Saint]> ...I guess not for typefaces, it makes a deal of sense there. 01.16.36 # <[Franklin]> but this font in particular is not patented 01.16.43 # <[Franklin]> I don't even think it's named! 01.17.13 # <[Saint]> Hmmmm... 01.17.16 # <[Saint]> "A legal precedent was set in the case of Adobe Systems, Inc. v. Southern Software, Inc. (SSI).[9] SSI had used the FontMonger program to copy and rename fonts from Adobe and others.[9] They assumed safety from prosecution because, though they had directly copied the points that define the shapes from Adobe's fonts, they had made slight adjustments to all the points so they were not technically identical.[9] Nevertheless, it was determined that the 01.17.17 # <[Saint]> computer code had been copied." 01.17.26 # <[Saint]> That doesn't bode well for us. 01.18.01 # <[Franklin]> not if I use a different font :P 01.19.22 # "First, the short answer in the USA: Typefaces are not copyrightable; bitmapped fonts are not copyrightable, but scalable fonts are copyrightable." 01.19.36 # <[Franklin]> this is a bitmapped font 01.19.53 # http://nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/cf_13.htm 01.20.54 # <[Franklin]> but US law doesn't apply here, right? 01.21.03 # <[Franklin]> rockbox servers are in sweden IIRC 01.21.13 # right... 01.21.53 Join advcomp2019__ [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 01.23.27 # <[Franklin]> "For example, in many parts of Europe typeface designs are protectable. 01.23.38 # <[Franklin]> but not a _font_ 01.24.23 # now imagine the font without a typeface design :) 01.25.29 # <[Franklin]> if I can't use the original font it's fine, I've got decent replacements for all but the lowercase letters 01.25.42 Quit advcomp2019_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 01.51.50 Join Sparkie [0] (~Sparkie@121-72-193-13.dsl.telstraclear.net) 01.51.55 # hey lads 01.53.03 Quit Sparkie (Client Quit) 02.09.23 Quit derf (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 02.10.59 Join derf [0] (~derf@static-108-18-126-14.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 02.16.29 Join mshathlonxp [0] (mshathlonx@89.254.156.66) 02.18.12 Quit eternnoir_ (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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Just found out about rockbox 08.58.37 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 09.03.36 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 09.13.56 # <[Saint]> Aurorlock: http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=ipod6g 09.14.06 # <[Saint]> 'just a few'... 09.14.19 # thanks for that :) 09.14.40 # I saw a lot of your posts in the forums, seems like you're a pretty big help 09.15.02 # Def appreciate the work that goes into the projects. I'm just pissed Apple doesn't have more codecs available 09.16.26 # <[Saint]> its mostly the batshit insane file obfuscation and filesystem layout that drove me insane. 09.16.45 # <[Saint]> the fact that it wasn't at all trivial to retrieve your own media. 09.17.41 # <[Saint]> there were various tools to 'de-itunes-ify' the media thereon, but it was a pain in the ass. 09.18.04 # <[Saint]> and only being able to sync against a single host or account. 09.18.13 # <[Saint]> anyway - gah. 09.23.52 Quit Gallomimia (Quit: I am likely going to change locations) 09.31.04 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 09.35.29 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 09.39.11 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 09.50.30 Quit rela (Quit: Leaving) 10.01.55 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 10.03.09 # did they encrypt it on top of obfuscating? 10.03.17 # just to piss people off that much more? 10.06.19 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@m180.dkm.cz) 10.28.46 # <[Saint]> No. 10.29.20 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@i16-les01-ntr-212-194-176-149.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr) 10.43.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.37.18 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 11.40.01 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@ip250556ca.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 11.40.12 Quit kugel (Changing host) 11.40.12 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 11.43.10 Quit krnlyng (Remote host closed the connection) 11.43.49 # * kugel glares at 1ff5fd4 11.47.02 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@83.175.90.24) 11.48.42 Join krabador [0] (~krabador_@unaffiliated/krabador) 11.54.08 Quit krabador (Quit: Take the time.) 12.01.30 Quit babylonlurker (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 12.02.07 Join babylonlurker [0] (~quassel@veda.xs4all.nl) 12.10.50 Join krabador [0] (~krabador_@unaffiliated/krabador) 12.12.30 # is there a way to adjust the backlight brightness on ipod mini? 12.22.43 Quit [Saint] (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 12.25.18 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) 12.43.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.54.18 Join webguest285 [0] (~9f942951@www.haxx.se) 12.55.49 Quit webguest285 (Client Quit) 12.57.15 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 13.14.49 # found a patch on the tracker ( http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=22127.0 ), wish me luck! 13.15.26 # er http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/5234 13.19.12 # uh oh it doesn't apply at all :( 13.38.15 Quit akaWolf (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13.39.37 Join akaWolf [0] (~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf) 13.39.47 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 13.41.25 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 13.44.45 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 13.45.45 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 13.53.35 # so can anyone help me... I got it to build... after doing horable things (my ipod is probably about to explode)... but which file do I replace? 13.53.38 # just rockbox.ipod? 14.17.51 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@pD9EEB077.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.18.24 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 14.19.08 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 14.24.10 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 14.33.29 Join RiD [0] (~RiD@bl22-56-171.dsl.telepac.pt) 14.34.37 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 14.37.28 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-106-145.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) 14.37.29 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 14.37.29 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 14.38.15 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14.40.31 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 14.43.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.04.43 Quit wodz (Quit: Leaving) 15.08.16 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 15.11.46 Quit cmhobbs (Remote host closed the connection) 15.45.19 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 15.49.02 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 15.49.02 Quit Strife89 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.51.39 Quit Aurorlock (Quit: Leaving) 16.04.05 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-218-65.mcn.bellsouth.net) 16.07.27 Quit krabador (Quit: Take the time.) 16.12.21 Quit Strife89 (Quit: Leaving) 16.13.41 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 16.20.42 Quit pamaury (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 16.21.52 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 16.25.14 Join sakax [0] (~sakax@unaffiliated/sakax) 16.43.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.44.02 Quit mortalis (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 17.35.49 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 17.58.51 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@m180.dkm.cz) 18.43.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.47.57 Join thomasjfox [0] (~thomasjfo@rockbox/developer/thomasjfox) 19.04.16 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 19.16.53 Quit pamaury (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 19.18.01 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 19.18.14 Join natanelho [0] (4d7d9f60@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.125.159.96) 19.18.44 # can someone help me? 19.24.21 # when i rtyied to install bootloader on my creative zen, i got this error: 19.24.21 # ./sendfirm32: error while loading shared libraries: libmtp.so.9: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 19.24.30 # what does that mean? 19.27.03 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 19.27.51 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 19.27.56 # natanelho: do you have a file by that name? 19.50.50 Quit pamaury (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 19.51.59 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 20.11.01 # thomasjfox: yes 20.11.27 Quit natanelho (Quit: Page closed) 20.43.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.47.33 # oh well, for the record: LD_LIBRARY_PATH might be an option to check 20.55.15 Quit RiD (Quit: A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.) 21.32.02 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 21.33.39 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 21.35.47 # * [Saint] isn't sure what exactly is apparently non-obvious about repeat one making it impossible to skip tracks 21.36.02 # :D 21.36.07 # <[Saint]> in my mind, any implementation that allows track skipping during repeat one is broken. 21.36.14 # * [Saint] shrugs 21.36.33 # no skipping to the next one to repeat! 21.37.20 # what's keeping #956 from being commited? someone asked for an album art enabled version of my theme a couple of days ago.. 21.37.30 # <[Saint]> You made a choice to repeat _one_ song, for ever and ever, ad infinitum. Deal with it. 21.37.35 # :D 21.38.07 # you should put that in the manual 21.38.54 # or rewrite the complete manual with that attitude. would make an entertaining read.. 21.39.03 # * thomasjfox thinks he found a missing break; statement 21.39.10 # [rockbox/apps/plugins/zxbox/tapefile.c:674] -> [rockbox/apps/plugins/zxbox/tapefile.c:681]: (warning) Buffer 'seg_desc' is being written before its old content has been used. 'break;' missing? 21.39.12 # people would start actually reading it :D 21.39.51 # <[Saint]> ZincAlloy: I think, though its possibly speculative, that there's some amount of apprehension about committing this patch because a: not a lot of committers are comfortable with android/application code, and b: there's a general idea that this is just replacing one terrible way of handling it for another, and that it delays the 'right' fix. 21.40.05 # <[Saint]> the 'right' fix being a dynamically allocated buffer. 21.40.43 # I see 21.40.59 # <[Saint]> lumping away chunks of static buffer makes some sense for the DAPs, but not so much for app targets. 21.41.31 # <[Saint]> It _should_ be committed in the interim, though, in my opinion. 21.41.48 # <[Saint]> I tried to make that happen a few days ago, I should bring it up on the ML. 21.42.18 # <[Saint]> EVen if it is the 'wrong' way to handle it, if no one is interested in the 'right' way, its better than leaving anything 480p or higher in a broken state. 21.42.31 # right.. 21.43.28 # <[Saint]> Chiwen Chang has quite a few Android contributions I'd like to see committed actually. 21.43.31 # <[Saint]> There's a couple of my own, too. 21.43.37 # yes. 21.43.53 # <[Saint]> I need to finish up finalizing rockboxdev.sh 21.44.16 # <[Saint]> and redo my 'shutdown for all targets' patch for a bit more sanity. 21.44.28 # <[Saint]> the app targets need a shutdown. 21.44.41 # resume playback by long press on the back button would improve useability a lot 21.44.57 # at least for the way I'd like to use it 21.44.59 # <[Saint]> having to go to apps -> -> force close on Android is *not* fun. 21.45.06 # [Saint]: you mean a Shutdown menu entry? I'm all for it 21.45.32 # <[Saint]> ZincAlloy: that back button handling is hideous and goes against the Android ethos quite dramatically. 21.45.32 # probably "Quit" is a better name 21.45.47 # <[Saint]> a back button absolutely should not work that way, and we shouldn;t hijack it when hosted. 21.46.00 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 21.46.35 # well.. there's also the menu button 21.46.59 # long press triggers the context menu 21.47.05 # which is kinda useless 21.47.14 # a long tap on the screen will do the same thing 21.47.28 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 21.50.43 # it would be nice to have this action assigned to a button. it was the first thing I missed, so I put a little button in my theme.. 21.51.17 # I'm also missing a quickscreen button. 21.53.18 # It's not all that quick when it's not assigned to a button... 22.01.33 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 22.03.02 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 22.07.46 # speaking of useless and android / touch screen handling. Is there something I'm missing to set a and b markers for ab repeat in absolute mode? I've asked before but got no good answer, the reason I'm asking is because a touch enabled skin lets me enable ab repeat so I'd have to deal with it when making a theme (or surpress this part of the repeat modes) 22.09.20 # <[Saint]> pixelma: since there's no (afaik) explicite touch action for this, you'd need to do a 'none' touch area, and watch for it being accessed and use setting_set 22.10.10 # <[Saint]> Oh...actually, I'm not sure that would work either. 22.10.35 # <[Saint]> I don't think A/B repeat sets a config.cfg option, does it? 22.10.45 # I don't think a and b markers are real settings (otherwise I'd expect them to be in the usual repeat menu too) 22.10.53 # <[Saint]> and we can only manipulate those with setting_set 22.11.01 # <[Saint]> right - yeah, bummer. 22.11.53 # I'd *imagine* that the reason it is enabled at all would be that it's settable in grid mode but I admit I haven't checked 22.12.39 # <[Saint]> I do not believe this to be the case. 22.15.13 # <[Saint]> and, somewhat hilariously, there's absolutely zero documentation about the grid mode functions. 22.16.33 # <[Saint]> I can't seem to find any way to trigger it using grid mode myself, but there's a chance I'm screwing it up I guess. Though my screen is plenty large enough that I shouldn't be getting the 3x3 grid spacing wrong. 22.17.26 # <[Saint]> ah - actually, there's *is* documentation, woo! I'm an idiot. 22.17.34 # <[Saint]> Its just _really_ hard to use. 22.19.24 # <[Saint]> pixelma: I could possible add it as a hotkey function if you're really passionate about it? I'm not too familiar with adding touchscreen areas, but I know I could add to the existing hotkey function trivially. 22.19.46 # hmm... on few button targets the same button is used to enable ab repeat, set a marker, set b marker so maybe the ab repeat touch area could work the same but it doesn't seem to do so when trying with cabbiev2 on my phone 22.19.58 # <[Saint]> checking the .wps controls for the D2, there doesn't seem to be A/B repeat on grid mode, no. 22.20.27 # <[Saint]> pixelma: oh, hmm, that's a better idea than using hotkey...possibly. 22.20.38 # <[Saint]> somewhat non-obvious maybe, but potentially cleaner. 22.21.09 # <[Saint]> It looks like we ran out of functions on grid-mode in the .wps 22.21.16 # well, I'm not too passionate to have it because I don't use this function myself just noticed that the possibility of enabling and disabling the mode was there and wondered 22.21.30 # <[Saint]> A/B repeat was likely considered of lesser importance. 22.21.38 # <[Saint]> all cells in the grid are populated. 22.23.40 # <[Saint]> pixelma: the only thing about using the repeat icon I'm not convinced about is that there'd be no visual difference between A/B repeat enabled but not set, and A/B repeat ebaled and set. 22.23.53 Quit JanC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 22.24.21 # <[Saint]> besides that I think its infinitely better than my hotkey idea. 22.27.04 Quit ender` (Quit: You must know by now we Brits are going metric inch by inch! -- Greg Chapman) 22.34.17 # I'd imagine there being different icons and you'd possibly cycle through the repeat modes: all, one, shuffled, set a for a/b repeat, set b for a/b repeat - or have a separate set marker(s) touch action. Hmm... this needs more thinking, but currently you can enable or disable something that you can't really use in most touch screen themes. For my own I could live with skipping that mode completely, I just wonder why no-one else complained so far 22.34.49 # or at least asked :) 22.37.23 Join JanC [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 22.37.45 # last time I tried using a-b mode on the clip zip was a nightmare. using a combination of keys to set a and b points is rather clumsy.. 22.41.59 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 22.43.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.46.53 # <[Saint]> pixelma: honestly, I think its a very infrequently used feature. 22.47.07 # <[Saint]> you're one of the very few people I've evr seen mention it. 22.53.51 Quit thomasjfox (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 22.54.14 # and I only noticed when thinking about it from a theme maker perspective (how to represent a/b repeat and then... why represent it...) 22.55.02 # * [Saint] really needs to pick his theme work back up again and finish it 22.55.27 # * [Saint] also really needs to figure out why android 5.x and Rockbox don't get along 22.55.52 # * pixelma 's theme is still mostly in her head only 22.56.15 # <[Saint]> I've had to specifically refrain from updating one of my devices just for the sake of keeping Rockbox 22.56.59 # <[Saint]> but I'm aware I'm only one of the literally less than 1% of the Android userbase who's actually using 5.0.2 now 23.03.37 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 23.09.55 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.10.25 # <[Saint]> does anyone remember the url of the chinese rockbox.org-esque clone? 23.12.29 # <[Saint]> nvm. 23.14.14 Quit bluebrother (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 23.15.53 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 23.20.30 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p4FC10307.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.43.07 Join [Franklin] [0] (~franklin@unaffiliated/franklin) 23.45.43 # <[Franklin]> ZincAlloy: do you know of a good-looking 7x7 copyright symbol? 23.48.10 # <[Franklin]> I'm a terrible pixel artist, and the one in 10-Fixed is too small 23.48.27 # I'd do it like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63855956/Bildschirmfoto%202014-12-22%20um%2023.47.16.png 23.48.56 # <[Franklin]> that looks too square to me 23.49.57 # https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63855956/Bildschirmfoto%202014-12-22%20um%2023.49.35.png 23.49.59 # better? 23.50.08 # <[Franklin]> the circle looks better 23.50.33 # <[Franklin]> the 'c' looks a bit blockish still 23.50.37 # readability is better when the c looks like this 23.50.44 # I tried it rounder first 23.51.23 # like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63855956/Bildschirmfoto%202014-12-22%20um%2023.50.52.png 23.51.45 # but in actual size it doesn't look any good 23.52.59 # <[Franklin]> how about this: https://mediacru.sh/xrJn9JqGQxVA 23.53.02 # the rounded one looks too far left in the circle as well. 23.53.40 # that works well 23.54.11 # <[Franklin]> hmm really? 23.54.41 Quit einhirn (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 23.55.26 # yes. what you need to choose depends on the overall design of your font 23.55.30 # https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63855956/Bildschirmfoto%202014-12-22%20um%2023.54.19.png 23.56.02 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 23.56.49 # <[Franklin]> hmm... I like mine a bit better 23.56.57 # then use it :) 23.57.06 # <[Franklin]> ok, thanks anyway! 23.57.14 # no problem :) 23.57.29 # <[Franklin]> I think that fixes the copyright issues 23.57.44 # <[Franklin]> I've got libre replacements for all the other characters :) 23.58.00 # nice :) 23.58.11 # <[Franklin]> not made by me, though 23.58.54 # <[Franklin]> just wrote a little script to extract them from the .bdf file :)