--- Log for 05.07.115 Server: asimov.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 months and 8 days ago 00.01.40 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 00.07.09 # what a waste of plastic 00.10.15 # * [Saint] wishes to point out that no one in their right mind should be using the release versions of Rockbox 00.10.29 # <[Saint]> can someone with site access put a note up to that effect? 00.10.53 # [Saint]: do you boot rockbox in kvm or quemu? 00.11.02 # <[Saint]> People asking about the release and bugs that were fixed ~2 years ago is tiresome 00.11.11 # <[Saint]> chrisb: no - why? 00.11.21 # <[Saint]> we have an SDL app - no need for such things. 00.12.02 # aphirst: they are normal SD cards though 00.12.29 # <[Saint]> ^ that 00.12.50 # <[Saint]> normal card format - non-sane content format. 00.13.14 # <[Saint]> (for arguable definitions of sane) 00.13.39 # oh slotMusic anyway 00.13.46 # slotRadio i don't think you can even change 00.13.53 # slotMusic is just DRM-free MP3s 00.14.54 # [Saint]: can't you just edit index.t in a patch and ask for someone to push it? 00.14.56 # <[Saint]> ah, whoops. Is slotradio the crazy one I'm thinking about. They used to give you that silly little demo disk/ 00.15.32 # <[Saint]> lebellium: sure, or someone with direct site access can just go beep-boop-done. 00.15.37 # * [Saint] shrugs 00.15.50 # looks like only you is interested in adding this note 00.15.56 # that's why I was saying that 00.16.12 # [Saint]: oops 00.16.15 # <[Saint]> It is looking that way. 00.18.00 # <[Saint]> chrisb: no need for opps, it isn't a well known fact I don't think. But, yeah, we've had the simulators and an SDL app for years. 00.18.14 # <[Saint]> precisely emulating the hardware isn't particularly interesting. 00.20.10 Quit ParkerR (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.20.10 Quit dfkt (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.20.27 Join ParkerR [0] (~Parker@unaffiliated/parkerr) 00.21.27 Join dfkt [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 00.33.59 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@213.37.48.54.dyn.user.ono.com) 00.43.08 # slotradio is apparently 00.43.20 # you bought it and apparently it had a demo disk 00.43.35 # the cards had lots of songs on them but you could only skip them and you couldn't pick them out one by one 00.45.46 # <[Saint]> Getting slightly offtopic but I remember going to a garage sale once and finding it hilarious that someone had a massive pile of them. The money they must have spent... 00.46.30 # <[Saint]> It never really (thankfully) caught on here. 00.46.50 # <[Saint]> But we did have to contend with minidisc for a while. 00.47.18 # <[Saint]> which is a genuinely ludicrous format. 00.49.02 Join Guest66888 [0] (Slayer@69.143.14.62) 00.50.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.51.33 Quit Guest42979 (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 00.51.38 # single-use "radio" microsd cards is just the silliest thing 00.55.47 Quit chrisb (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 01.01.13 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 01.16.35 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.18.11 Quit Jinx (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 01.18.56 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 01.28.14 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 40.0/20150702173756]) 01.29.53 Quit aphirst (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.37.55 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.40.47 Join Jinx [0] (Dojo@unaffiliated/jinx) 01.41.06 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01.42.53 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-234-139.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) 01.42.53 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 01.42.53 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.44.55 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 01.58.03 Join aphirst [0] (~aphirst@ipb21a59d5.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 02.04.02 Quit aphirst (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02.16.31 Quit ender` (Quit: The idea that I can be presented with a problem, set out to logically solve it with the tools at hand, and wind up with a program that could not be legally used because someone else followed the same logical steps some years ago and filed for a patent o) 02.17.06 Join aphirst [0] (~aphirst@ipb21a5bad.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 02.26.18 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-214-9.mcn.bellsouth.net) 02.33.47 Quit krabador (Quit: Take The Time) 02.35.46 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 02.36.16 Join chrisb [0] (~chrisb@li482-205.members.linode.com) 02.37.59 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 02.38.44 Quit bluebrother^ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02.39.11 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@x5ce244d4.dyn.telefonica.de) 02.48.32 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02.50.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.59.29 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 04.02.48 Quit dfkt (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04.03.05 Join dfkt [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 04.50.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.07.52 Quit JanC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 05.21.44 Join JanC [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 05.27.09 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 05.28.48 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 05.32.51 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 05.33.58 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.40.43 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 05.42.32 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 05.59.54 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 06.28.10 Join Aldem [0] (~Aldem@unaffiliated/aldem) 06.28.21 # Hi 06.28.47 # So now I have rockbox on my old Sansa e280. Where do you get your plugins ? 06.29.39 # <[Saint]> All the plugins that run with Rockbox ship with Rockbox. 06.29.46 # <[Saint]> I'm unsure what you mean. 06.30.50 # I though I saw SPCs plugins somewhere 06.30.55 # Super Nintendo music 06.31.51 # <[Saint]> We play SPC natively. 06.32.15 # Where can I see the natively supported formats ? 06.32.35 # <[Saint]> a partial list resides here: 06.32.36 # <[Saint]> http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SoundCodecs 06.32.56 # <[Saint]> SPC was added (and since partially extended) in 2006-ish 06.33.39 # Thanks 06.33.55 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 06.33.56 # <[Saint]> It may be that the e2* just aren't powerful enough and it is disincluded from this target. 06.33.59 # <[Saint]> I'm unsure. 06.36.48 # <[Saint]> I'm not sure of any plugins that function in the way you're thinking (modular support) due to rather heavy integration with the core. 06.40.00 # God 06.40.08 # Been a while since I last played with this sansa 06.50.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.25.18 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 07.27.56 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 07.28.35 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 07.50.18 Quit amiconn (Remote host closed the connection) 07.50.18 Quit pixelma (Remote host closed the connection) 07.50.29 Join pixelma [0] (~pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 07.50.30 Join amiconn [0] (~amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 08.06.56 Join foolsh_ [0] (~quassel@50.153.174.158) 08.13.07 Quit foolsh_ (Remote host closed the connection) 08.16.14 Join foolsh_ [0] (~quassel@50.153.174.158) 08.21.07 Quit foolsh_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 08.21.41 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 08.22.20 Join foolsh_ [0] (~quassel@50.153.174.158) 08.28.48 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@ip98-186-66-92.fv.ks.cox.net) 08.28.48 Quit cmhobbs (Changing host) 08.28.48 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 08.44.17 Quit derf (Remote host closed the connection) 08.50.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.21.37 Join rbert [0] (d9e7f11e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.231.241.30) 09.24.37 # hi, ACTION_STD_NEXT is for selecting the next item in main menu or file browser, isn't it? 09.24.54 Join derf [0] (~derf@static-108-18-126-14.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 09.26.07 # because on my fuzev2 i want to have a temporary fix for my non-working wheel 09.27.15 # and somehow i don't manage to set { ACTION_STD_PREV, BUTTON_HOME|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_HOME } correctly 09.28.10 # I'll be offline soon, but I'll read the backlog and I'll be back 09.31.18 # oh, I meant ACTION_STD_NEXT instead of ACTION_STD_PREV, but it doesn't work either way 09.32.25 # bye, when I come back I'll have tested more and post my keymap file, perhaps found a fix 09.32.35 Quit rbert (Quit: Page closed) 10.01.01 Nick suYin`OFF is now known as suYin (suYin@server1.bouncer4you.de) 10.17.04 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 10.27.10 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.50.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.51.46 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 11.00.24 Join fLiPr3VeRsE [0] (~flip88@indus.uberspace.de) 11.00.39 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-177-161.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 11.01.13 # hi folks. i'm wondering if there will be any support for the SanDisk Clip Sport. 11.08.47 Quit krnlyng (Remote host closed the connection) 11.13.56 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@83.175.90.24) 11.16.32 Join rockmyipod [0] (783f21fb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.120.63.33.251) 11.18.06 # I just tried to reinstall RockBox on my IPod 6g with emcore. The installation was without any errors but now when I try to boot I get the ATA error. Fallback image boots but no playback. How do I solve this ? 11.20.34 # "the ATA error"? which one? 11.21.26 # ATA error: -2147483542 11.21.40 # also which version of the rockbox zip file did you extract to it? the one shipped with emcore, or latest development build? 11.23.14 # I used rockbox utility 11.23.47 # any hardware mods on this ipod? 11.24.03 # I followed this guide >> http://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/EmCORE_Installation/iPodClassic/UMSboot 11.24.59 # I had RockBox running on it before (since past few years). Was giving trouble (Filesystem i guess) so formatted it then reinstalled 11.25.30 # Im not sure what you mean by hardware mods 11.25.30 # what did you use to format it? 11.25.45 # I used Gparted to format the data partition 11.25.52 # hardware mods as in "hdd replaced by a different model or SSD or SD card or whaterver" 11.25.53 # the USMboot was still left on it 11.26.20 # no hardware mods. Its just as it had come except for software change 11.26.24 # yes, even emcore and the rockbox fallback image should have survived that 11.26.49 # just extracting the rockbox zip file again (or using RB utility for installation) should have worked 11.26.59 # but I guess gparted did something to the formatting that rockbox isn't happy about 11.27.21 # yes it did. Then i went to Tools>>USMBoot .... connected my ipod .... had a 64 GB partition pop up ... and then followed the instructions 11.27.22 # but emcore didn't reformat it during installation because it was already formatted 11.27.58 # But later on i did format it by going into tool>>format data partition 11.28.37 # what do you suggest I should do now ? 11.29.25 # so you reformatted the data partition before installing using RB utility? 11.29.47 # I have tried reinstalling atleast 3 times ... twice after using Tools from the Ipod menu to Format Data Partition and also Clear Dtabase 11.30.25 # Not the 1st time. But then when it gave error I did it from ipod menu and tried reinstalling again. It gave same error 11.30.41 # hm, very weird 11.31.12 # anyway, this is ATA error 0x8000006A, let's track that through the code 11.32.09 # How do I do that ? (Im sorry Im a noob but I dont mind getting my hands dirty) 11.32.25 # I'll have a quick look 11.32.35 # Ok 11.33.02 # so you're getting that ATA error ... press ON to debug message? 11.33.14 # Yes ... 11.38.07 # I did find this >> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=48562.0 (check the last post there) ..... but it seems to be more of a workaround than a solution. So not sure about it. 11.39.54 # which ipod model is that 11.40.08 # 160GB thick? (oldest model classic) 11.40.40 # (2007 model) 11.40.41 # Yeah mine is 160 GB Ipod Classic 6g 11.40.52 # yep 2007 11.41.00 # ok, so the CE-ATA weirdo 11.41.22 # then I know what's going on, but I thought that would be fixed already... 11.42.10 # can it be fixed from my side ? 11.42.22 # it's a fairly simple bug in rockbox's code 11.42.34 # so you need a build with a few lines of code changed 11.42.54 # that change should really have ended up in the main rockbox code tree long ago, but apparently it didn't, I just checked 11.44.27 # So is there a noob friendly how to/ guide ? 11.44.31 # (it apparently went unnoticed because barely anyone has that 2007 160GB model, and only that one is affected) 11.45.44 # what basically needs to be done is tolerate an error in these two lines: http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=firmware/target/arm/s5l8702/ipod6g/storage_ata-ipod6g.c;h=58060403d5c593cce6c911a0427f2403b9db8492;hb=HEAD#l697 11.46.18 # the CEATA model just doesn't support those commands, and they aren't critical for operation anyway (they just control the drive's caching behavior) 11.46.42 # this one as well: http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=blob;f=firmware/target/arm/s5l8702/ipod6g/storage_ata-ipod6g.c;h=58060403d5c593cce6c911a0427f2403b9db8492;hb=HEAD#l1142 11.47.50 # so how do you suggest I solve it ? Im guessing im gonna have to ditch the Utility tool and the previous guide 11.48.09 # the utility is just extracting a zip file anyway 11.48.21 # the problem is generating a patched zip file ;) 11.48.54 # and I guess we should just get that change into git and wait for the autobuild system to generate new files from that 11.49.15 # So you will be fixing it from the server side ? 11.49.50 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@213.37.48.54.dyn.user.ono.com) 11.51.07 # prof_wolfff: you don't happen to have a ce-ata ipod by chance? ;) 11.53.44 # I do :-( 12.01.33 # TheSeven: not sure what you want me to do ? 12.02.27 # well if you don't want to roll your own builds, it's probably easiest to go back to an old known-working build (see that thread) for now, and update to the latest development build again after this is fixed 12.03.43 # I don't mind rolling my own build. But not sure how its done. I know that some lines in the code need to be editted out but how and what to do next ? 12.04.38 # I was wondering how long before it would be fixed from the server side ? 12.04.54 # http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DevelopmentGuide#Set_Up_Your_Environment if you want to roll a build yourself 12.05.10 # I don't have a build environment around right now so I can't easily give you a testing build 12.05.40 # but I think we can just commit that change without much testing, can't really make the situation worse than it is right now 12.05.51 # so if you're lucky that change might land within the next few days 12.06.34 # cool ... I will test my luck then. Trying the fix mentioned in the thread for now. Hope it works. 12.10.30 # TheSeven: It worked !!! ..... 12.11.15 # Thanks ... I see you are one of the develepoers for this amazing Software that helped me get rid of Apple Software and Itunes for ever. 12.12.12 # Thanks for creating this wonderful RockBox. Ill be waiting for the fix. I hope it comes soon (won't be adding much music to it till then). 12.18.45 # The Seven: hi! i don't have CE-ATA, IIRC the problem is not for all CE-ATA, some CE-ATA drives seems to work well 12.22.17 # prof_wolfff: sure? I'm not aware that there even are multiple CE-ATA idks models 12.22.19 # disk* 12.23.06 # anyway, my suggestion to fix this is just ignoring failure on cache policy SET_FEATURE commands on all disk models, whether ceata or not 12.24.15 # if a disk doesn't claim to support that feature we are just skipping it anyway, but these nasty CE-ATA ones are claiming to support it, yet they fail the command 12.24.58 # i recall some people on RB (Saint?) test it on CE-ATA ipod with no errors, i can try to patch it until we get more clues about it 12.25.11 # about the bootloader, ATM i have code for the dual-bootloader and the dfu-installer, it compiles but have never been installed, i hope to have a few free time in the next weeks to try to debug it and post a working version 12.25.20 # [Saint] recently claimed to not even have a working CE-ATA ipod (anymore?) 12.25.46 # well even if we get more clues about which drives are misbehaving, we can't really do anything else than ignoring it 12.26.15 # so I guess we can just always ignore it - there's just nothing else we could do other than bail out or ignore, the latter seeming more favorable 12.27.00 # i agree, will try to patch it ASAP 12.27.16 # so if you have a build environment around (I don't right now), can you have a quick go at just removing the PASS_RC macro wrappers from the ata_set_feature commands in lines 697, 598 and 1142 in storage_ata-ipod6g.c? 12.27.37 # I guess that should take care of it 12.27.45 # ok 12.28.07 # and right now we have someone with a ce-ata ipod (but no dev environment) around to actually verify that 12.41.47 # i suppose he is rockmyipod, i will send a build to him to test it before commiting 12.50.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.56.34 # yes 13.05.52 # Just tell me what to do and I will be happy to do. Im not registered here though 13.06.15 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 13.06.21 # rockmyipod: he'll just send you a zip file that you'll extract to your ipod's root directory (containing the .rockbox folder) when it's ready 13.07.16 # Ok.... btw I did just that from the forum link I posted earlier. That seems to be working for now 13.08.49 # yes, the difference is just that this link points to a somewhat old version of rockbox - if we're lucky the suggested fix will allow an up-to-date rockbox build to work equally well :) 13.09.11 # the installation process is the same of course, just a different zip file 13.09.20 # cool :D 13.11.46 # show how will this work .... should I drop by again in a couple of days ? 13.16.26 # I'm not sure what's delaying your testing build right now - normally this takes only a few minutes... prof_wolfff? 13.16.31 # rockmyipod: please contact me on my e-mail address i have just send to you 13.16.41 # heh, timing ;) 13.17.15 # prof_wolfff: so did I understand that correctly that you basically have a proof of concept RB bootloader + DFU flasher ready? 13.17.27 # :) today i am going to be out, will try to do it tonight or tomorrow 13.17.42 # yes, it is almost emCORE code ported to rockbox 13.18.44 # ok, feel free to ping me if you run into any issues - I guess I have more experience with messing with it at that level, so I might give you some hints ;) 13.20.40 # thanks! the dfu-loader is based on the spireader, i am ready to install them on the device, the code was ready a few weeds ago but i have not much time these days 13.20.50 # prof_wolfff: sent an email 13.23.43 # prof_wolfff: TheSeven : now that the email has been authenticated I guess ill be off for now. 13.24.16 # Needless to say .... you guys are awesome !!! appreciate what you doing here. Thanks !! 13.29.47 Quit rockmyipod (Quit: Page closed) 13.36.46 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 13.53.41 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 13.55.59 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@pD9EE89EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.24.46 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 14.37.08 Quit dfkt (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.47.55 Join pablo_pi_ [0] (~pablo@190.148.252.45) 14.49.03 Join dfkt [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 14.50.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.51.23 Quit pablo_pi (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 14.59.10 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 15.02.38 Quit krabador (Quit: Take The Time) 15.30.21 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 15.42.02 Quit Guest54550 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 15.42.08 Join georgewhite [0] (~george@109.70.140.201) 15.42.24 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 15.42.28 # Hello there! 15.43.01 # Today, whilst clearing out the house, found a Sansa Clip+, and installed Rockbox on it. 15.43.13 # It’s great, but the font is really small. 15.43.35 # It’s not that it isn’t readable, it’s just too small. 15.44.04 # Is it possible to replace it with a much bigger font? 15.44.07 # Thanks 15.44.09 # Try a different font or a theme with a bigger font then 15.44.42 # So do I go back in to the installer and use the ‘Themes’ checkbox? 15.44.49 Join dys [0] (~andreas@2a01:1e8:e100:8296:f66d:4ff:fec1:4421) 15.44.53 # exactly. and make sure to get the font pack. 15.44.55 Nick dys is now known as Guest81657 (~andreas@2a01:1e8:e100:8296:f66d:4ff:fec1:4421) 15.45.25 # Thanks ZincAlloy 15.45.33 # I’ll try. 15.46.02 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 15.48.02 # x8-staek looks cool, but ‘requires font pack’: do I get that separately? 15.49.42 Quit MMlosh (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 15.50.18 # Ah, nevermind: Settings > Theme > Font > Rockbox Mix works very well. 15.50.42 # I just didn’t think that the themes would apply to tiny, mono displays. 15.51.34 Quit Guest81657 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 15.54.20 Join dys` [0] (~andreas@2a01:1e8:e100:8296:f66d:4ff:fec1:4421) 15.54.26 Nick dys` is now known as Guest55311 (~andreas@2a01:1e8:e100:8296:f66d:4ff:fec1:4421) 15.55.10 Quit aphirst (Quit: Leaving) 15.55.30 Join aphirst [0] (~aphirst@ipb21a5bad.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 16.02.03 Join MMlosh [0] (~MMlosh@2001:470:6f:23:b4eb:59b9:67ac:fe69) 16.02.36 Join jtdesigns01 [0] (~Thunderbi@2601:400:8080:471:840e:a0b4:2f88:4e2d) 16.19.46 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 16.36.20 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 16.43.15 Nick suYin is now known as suYin`OFF (suYin@server1.bouncer4you.de) 16.43.29 Nick suYin`OFF is now known as suYin (suYin@server1.bouncer4you.de) 16.50.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.57.38 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 17.01.57 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 17.03.28 Quit foolsh_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.06.30 Join foolsh [0] (~quassel@50.153.174.142) 17.07.54 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 17.11.59 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 17.31.18 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 17.31.42 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 17.43.32 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 17.43.43 Join Persits [0] (~Persits@46.120.97.210) 17.44.38 # hi, could anyone answer if SansaFuze with Rockbox has shorter battery life? 17.45.03 # and does USB chargins work as usual? 17.45.55 Nick suYin is now known as suYin`OFF (suYin@server1.bouncer4you.de) 17.46.09 Nick suYin`OFF is now known as suYin (suYin@server1.bouncer4you.de) 17.48.09 # hm,the last stable release is from 2013... is still alive? 17.48.22 # will be updated eventually? 17.48.48 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 17.49.00 Nick suYin is now known as suYin`OFF (suYin@server1.bouncer4you.de) 17.49.09 Nick suYin`OFF is now known as suYin (suYin@server1.bouncer4you.de) 17.50.52 # Persits: the development builds are more stable than the 3.13 release 18.03.18 Quit tertu (Quit: Page closed) 18.03.47 Join tertu [0] (~tertu@143.44.65.77) 18.03.48 Quit krabador (Quit: Take The Time) 18.04.45 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 18.07.02 # lebellium: specifically for the Sansa Fuze, or generally? 18.07.10 # generally 18.07.13 # ah OK 18.16.39 Quit georgewhite (Quit: Computer has entered sleep mode.) 18.18.16 # @lebellum are you sure? 18.18.23 # lebellum, are you sure? 18.18.49 # where can I read about that? 18.25.28 # what about USB charging? 18.26.46 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 18.28.31 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 18.31.56 Quit krabador (Quit: Take The Time) 18.32.24 # Persits: USB is not fully stable in Rockbox as in original firmware on Sansa players but it's better in dev builds than in latest release 18.32.45 # not as stable* 18.32.50 # ok, 18.32.51 # thanks 18.33.17 # how can I install the dev release instead of stable one? I've downloaded both 18.33.34 # the easiest way is Rockbox utility 18.33.56 # yes, I have chosen the Dev version 18.34.17 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-254-90.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) 18.34.17 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 18.34.17 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 18.34.21 # then I replaced your current .rockbox directory (release 3.13) with the latest build 18.34.25 # nothing more to do 18.34.29 # it* 18.35.14 Join girafe [0] (~girafe@AGrenoble-651-1-459-200.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.35.26 # just to verify 18.35.34 # I connected the Fuze to the PC 18.35.50 # and changed the device to Fuze 18.35.56 # in the utility 18.36.20 # TTC? 18.36.41 # what should I choose as TTC engine? 18.36.56 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 18.36.57 # now it's SAPI5 18.37.12 # @lebellium? 18.38.15 # I guess the TTS Engine is used for voice files 18.38.29 # for blind users mainly 18.38.36 # you probably don't need it, do you? 18.38.36 # the main use of Fuze is to voice recording 18.38.51 # I am not blind 18.39.10 # voice recording settings are on in Rockbox itself 18.39.12 # not the utility 18.39.29 # are you aware of any benefits in voice recording RB vs Sansa? 18.39.51 # (RB do you use this abbrev. for Rockbox? 18.39.58 # yes we do 18.40.21 # ok... so, I just press "Install" and enjoy? 18.40.27 # any other considerations? 18.40.43 # well there are many recording settings in RB which probably aren't in the Sandisk firmware but I don't know if that makes the recording better :) 18.40.57 # check the Mountpoint too 18.41.02 # then press install 18.41.07 # just a sec, hold on 18.42.02 # Hm 18.42.15 # did not find any 'mintpoint" menu/options 18.42.27 # what is it? 18.42.52 # when you changed the device to Fuze 18.43.06 # it was also written "select your device in the filesystem" 18.43.16 # that's the mountpoint 18.43.42 # so I've chosen Fuze 18.43.46 # already 18.43.59 # Sansa Fuze stable 18.44.07 # that's the audio player 18.44.11 # not the mountpoint 18.44.17 # hm 18.44.20 # the mountpoint is the letter 18.44.27 # like G:\ for example 18.44.49 # erm, I see 18.45.05 # so I have two letter 18.45.12 # as I have SD card inside 18.45.16 # what is better? 18.45.23 # internal or external? 18.46.21 # there is no better, there is a single one working 18.46.25 # inside of course 18.46.42 # internal* 18.46.53 # 0.6 GiB is ok? 18.47.08 # yes 18.47.25 # so, let s the game begin? 18.48.03 # no any other precausions? 18.48.12 # yes, if that's the 1st RB install, then check the boxes Bootloader, Rockbox at least 18.48.19 # Font pack, themes and game files are optional 18.48.41 # It is the 1st, Bootloader checked 18.48.52 # as well as all other options 18.50.18 # it will ask you for the original firmware to install the bootloader 18.50.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.50.42 # hm 18.51.00 # I have the original installed 18.51.12 # what should I do else? 18.51.25 # download something? 18.52.22 # yep 18.52.29 # :0 18.52.52 # http://www.sandisk.com/? 18.53.20 # if you have FuzeV1 http://mp3support.sandisk.com/firmware/fuze/fuze01.02.31.zip. If you have FuzeV2 http://mp3support.sandisk.com/firmware/fuze/fuze02.03.33.zip 18.54.46 # done 18.54.56 # unzip? 18.55.00 # yes 18.55.14 # done 18.55.16 # :) 18.55.24 # something elsE?? 18.55.44 # no 18.55.57 # RB utility should do everything for you now 18.56.03 # so.... 18.56.09 # let's do it 18.58.11 # "packege installation finished successfully" 18.58.15 Quit AlexP (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.58.23 # should I press ok? 18.58.51 # yes 18.58.55 # :) 18.59.39 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 19.00.01 # <[Saint]> Rockbox can't hurt your device (in theory), you're entirely safe. 19.00.15 # nnnnice! 19.00.16 # <[Saint]> This might seem like a daunting process but it is totally recoverable. 19.00.37 # I've read about unbrickability 19.01.03 # <[Saint]> These devices can most certainly be bricked. 19.01.12 # <[Saint]> Most certainly. 19.01.40 # <[Saint]> ...however, the installation procedure is widely tested and considered safe for all intents and purposes. 19.02.12 # <[Saint]> it is only really the iPod targets that fall into the category of unbrickable. 19.03.07 # ok.... now I missed that after every change in "Device" category, the build is changed to "stable" automatically 19.03.09 # <[Saint]> but even then it is possible to (deliberately, or with sufficient effort) get yourself into silly states. 19.03.26 # so, I want to install the dev version 19.03.53 # should I choose any other options in addition to "dev release"? 19.04.00 # no 19.04.09 # <[Saint]> not if you have already installed the bootloader, no. 19.04.09 # well, only check the RB box 19.04.12 # "mounting is wrong" 19.04.45 # now, I have only "F" option 19.05.12 Quit foolsh (Remote host closed the connection) 19.05.14 # "mountpoint does not exist" 19.05.15 # hm 19.05.54 # did you disconnect the device from the computer after RB utility completed the install process? Is it connected right now? 19.06.01 # omg 19.06.06 # :( 19.06.35 # you should first finish the install process, i.e. power on the device, it will upgrade the firmware with the new bootloader 19.06.46 # then you can replace the release with the current dev build 19.07.01 # of couse it was disconnected to the the first firmware update 19.07.14 # "silly state" 19.09.39 # lovely bloody cool! 19.11.10 # I play blood Doom! I can't believe it 19.11.16 # Can't believe it 19.11.31 # I thought you would check the recording feature first :) 19.11.40 # I ve checked 19.11.45 # you are right 19.11.56 # there are almost 20 options 19.12.02 # will learn it now 19.12.42 # unbelievable transformation 19.13.06 # Thanks a lot for help!! 19.13.21 # you're welcome :) 19.19.09 # hm 19.19.25 # addictive device 19.20.24 # back to "Doom" just in case: is there the way to open the doors? 19.20.50 # or press the "buttons"? 19.24.35 # <[Saint]> yes 19.24.47 # hm... how? 19.25.21 # <[Saint]> if I recall correctly this is done by just making forward motion forward+action 19.25.44 # <[Saint]> so walking into doors or switches should operate them. 19.26.26 # hm 19.26.45 # where I delete the files? 19.26.55 # I recorded something 19.27.13 # and wonna delete it, I see only play options 19.29.59 # <[Saint]> might I suggest reading our fine user manual. 19.30.52 # yep... I understand 19.36.40 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 19.43.25 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-214-9.mcn.bellsouth.net) 19.57.01 # wow 10Mb per minute voice recording... could you recomment more compressive format? 19.59.16 # what does it mean "delete failed"? 19.59.27 # did not find anything in the help file 19.59.38 # MPEG Layer 3 should be enough for the poor internal mic :) 19.59.57 # ? 20.00.09 # ah, format you mean? 20.00.11 # ok 20.00.20 # yes 20.00.31 # ok, will find it 20.00.42 # but why cannot I delete the file? 20.00.46 # ? 20.00.47 # I don't think you would hear a difference with anything better than MP3 128kbps for voice recording 20.01.12 # Maybe it's currently in use? 20.01.18 # yep 20.01.22 # just realize it 20.01.28 # sorry for bothering you 20.01.28 # :) 20.02.13 # great experience! 20.07.18 # thanks for help, great community! 20.07.20 # c u 20.07.26 Quit Persits () 20.18.16 Quit aphirst (Remote host closed the connection) 20.28.25 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 20.30.08 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 20.37.55 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@wsip-70-166-133-228.fv.ks.cox.net) 20.37.56 Quit cmhobbs (Changing host) 20.37.56 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 20.50.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.52.07 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 20.55.21 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 20.59.24 Join Persits [0] (~Persits@46.19.86.140) 20.59.32 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 21.00.52 # guys, could you navigate me to browser based irc gate? 21.02.06 # ups, just found 21.02.49 Quit Persits (Client Quit) 21.02.59 Join Persits [0] (2e13559e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.19.85.158) 21.04.55 Join Rower [0] (~husvagn@d83-183-134-99.cust.tele2.se) 21.04.59 Quit Rower (Client Quit) 21.22.38 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-241-173.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) 21.22.38 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 21.22.38 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 21.25.42 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 21.37.14 # Q: can I just disconnect the RB-SansaFuze from the Windows based PC (instead of "Remove safely"? 21.51.56 # No 21.53.27 # :( I always just removed it 21.53.43 # ok, will remove it safely 21.53.54 # What about MacOS? 21.54.16 # same thing for same reason. 21.54.35 # did you state the reason? 21.54.36 # :) 21.54.51 # ok, anyway... I will eject it safely 21.54.58 # I assume one knows why "remove safely" is the suggested option. 21.55.52 # it was essential years ago, but then I stopped using Windows 21.56.02 # thus I am not updated 21.56.13 # use it occasionally 21.58.35 # unbelievable, my Fuze now alive again! 21.59.01 # even Recording is adjustable 21.59.08 # great work 21.59.33 # <[Saint]> Essentially - when you write something to a removable disk, it might not actually be flushed out to the storage medium until you hit safely remove. 21.59.51 # <[Saint]> that ensures write buffers are written before the drive is removed. 22.00.09 # Saint, thanks... now I now it for sure (was not sure about) 22.01.22 # <[Saint]> some systems might have less aggressive cahing than others, or have write caching disabled, which might make it seem like this is not an important thing to do. 22.01.34 # <[Saint]> but one should always safely remove removable volumes. 22.01.44 # <[Saint]> s/cahing/caching/ 22.11.07 Quit chrisb (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 22.13.26 # Saint, what do you mean be s/caching/caching? 22.13.34 # How can I explore these dirs? 22.17.10 # or it was just an example? 22.49.02 Join chrisb [0] (~chrisb@li482-205.members.linode.com) 22.50.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.51.41 # Guys, could you plz tell how frequently the dev versions are updated (approx)? 22.51.51 Join Chiftin [0] (~Kujo@host-95-195-94-117.mobileonline.telia.com) 22.52.56 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 22.53.23 # <[Saint]> every time there is a commit to the codebase. 22.55.24 # is it on an everyday basis? 22.55.30 # once a week? 22.55.38 # <[Saint]> when it happens. 22.55.47 # :) 22.55.47 # you can have a look at the frequency here http://www.rockbox.org/since-release.html 22.56.08 # it used to be very often, now it's just sometimes 22.56.55 # <[Saint]> depends how bored pamaury and wodz are. :p 22.58.36 # pamaury? 22.58.45 # is it nickname? 22.58.55 # is it a nickname? 22.59.10 Quit dfkt (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.59.11 # ups 22.59.15 # i c 22.59.37 # remove the "p" and it's his name :) 22.59.49 # I'm there but too busy, tomorrow is my phd defense 22.59.56 # <[Saint]> it's still his name with the p. ;) 23.00.36 Join dfkt [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 23.00.38 # so starting from the day after tomorrow you'll break a new commits record? \o/ 23.01.20 # I wish you good luck! 23.02.13 # And hope you will eventually be bored to contribute some updates 23.02.38 # hm, how you tell "Good luck" in French? 23.02.43 # bonne chance 23.02.56 # Oui, bonne chance! 23.04.00 # Je ne parle pas francais :) 23.04.24 # <[Saint]> J'aime le fromage 23.05.01 # Pourtant... j'aim 23.05.33 # quelle fromage? 23.05.42 # clown discussions about french should be on #rockbox-community :) 23.05.50 # :) 23.05.55 # sorry 23.06.22 # I am intoxicated by RB euphory 23.13.20 # Q: in the Help file there is "Home+LEft" and "Home+Right" combinations for virt.keyboard, but I cannot make it working 23.13.32 # why is that? 23.23.05 # @pamaury 23.23.35 # Are there plans to add some bookmarks to the audio files? 23.23.52 # like for audio-books? 23.27.02 # omg 23.27.12 # <[Saint]> *cough* manual *cough* 23.27.26 # it already exists! 23.27.32 # <[Saint]> precisely. 23.27.46 # <[Saint]> which is why reading the manual is a Very Good Thing(TM). 23.27.47 # unbelievable! 23.28.27 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 40.0/20150702173756]) 23.28.44 # * [Saint] thinks "wait until s/he discovers the full theme engine" 23.30.37 Quit byteframe (Quit: Deuces.) 23.32.25 # hm, I cannot rename bookmarks like "part 2" part 3 etc :) 23.34.26 Join byteframe [0] (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) 23.36.31 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 23.40.43 # if the file was renamed after bookmarks were made they won't work 23.40.46 # is it bug? 23.46.23 Nick suYin is now known as suYin`OFF (suYin@server1.bouncer4you.de) 23.52.00 Quit pystar89 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)