--- Log for 10.07.115 Server: asimov.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 months and 13 days ago 00.04.11 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91.1 [Firefox 40.0/20150706172413]) 00.07.39 Join ParkerR [0] (~Parker@unaffiliated/parkerr) 00.11.26 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 00.19.34 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00.32.08 # stopkickingme, I like my clip zip 00.32.34 # oh no it seems to have been replaced 00.34.27 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 00.52.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.02.02 Quit ParkerR (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.22.55 Quit ender` (Quit: [].map.call( "Batman", function( x, y, z ) { return !y && z || +x }).reverse().join( " " );) 01.31.56 Quit bertrik (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.36.24 Join no0bix [0] (~no0bix@unaffiliated/no0bix) 01.37.18 # <[Saint]> stopkickingme: The long and the short of it is, yes, it is worth it - however... 01.37.29 # <[Saint]> The DAP market these days is frankly terrible. 01.37.45 # <[Saint]> There is no mid-range anymore. 01.39.40 # <[Saint]> There exist only shittily made, essentially disposable DAPs aimed at a fitness oriented market - running/cycling/use at the gym, etc. - and fairly expensive high quality "audiophile" type DAPs. 01.41.16 # <[Saint]> In my opinion - which is probably biased, but hey - the best bang-for-your-buck in terms of quality and accurate audio reproduction (also taking availability into consideration) comes from the Apple iPod range. 01.42.54 # <[Saint]> But some of those are getting increasingly difficult to find in a reasonable condition, and what is arguably the best example of magnificent build quality and audio reproduction - the iPod 6G "Classic" - has had its price driven up exponentially by being fairly recently discontinued by Apple Inc. 01.44.05 # <[Saint]> My advice to anyone looking to get into Rockbox on some fairly decent hardware is "Go to your local Pawn Broker and/or Second Hand/Opportunity Shop". 01.44.19 Quit stopkickingme (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 01.47.18 # <[Saint]> The pawn broker can be a gold mine of Rockbox-able DAPs. iPod Videos (5/5.5G), sometimes the iPod 3G, iPod 4G, iPod Color/Photo, iPod Nano 1 and 2G will pop up sometimes. 01.47.39 # <[Saint]> If you're lucky you might find a complete and functional iPod Mini (which are awesome if you swap out the microdive with a large-format compact flash card, which then leaves you more room for a bigass battery even though they're already quite efficient)... 01.48.48 # <[Saint]> Ummmm....Aaaaaannnnyhow, yeah - Go Team iPod. 01.56.03 Join ParkerR [0] (~Parker@unaffiliated/parkerr) 02.01.12 # sigh android port sigh 02.03.26 # <[Saint]> I don't have the necessary determination required to step through why it is failing on modern Android builds. 02.04.30 # <[Saint]> I /believe/ I have the /skill/ required, but after hitting dead end after dead end after dead end - it gets tiring, and I'm very results-oriented in my work. 02.04.35 Quit aphirst (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.05.14 Quit no0bix (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 02.17.24 Quit jtdesigns01 (Remote host closed the connection) 02.18.14 Join aphirst [0] (~aphirst@ipbcc1a420.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 02.26.20 Quit yosafbridge (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 02.36.28 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 02.36.33 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 02.38.04 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 02.39.07 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@x5ce24582.dyn.telefonica.de) 02.41.05 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 02.52.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.57.07 # dongs 03.15.03 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@72.25.52.111) 03.56.06 Quit ParkerR (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.57.50 Join ParkerR [0] (~Parker@66-191-226-206.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) 03.57.50 Quit ParkerR (Changing host) 03.57.50 Join ParkerR [0] (~Parker@unaffiliated/parkerr) 04.03.43 Mode "#rockbox +o [Saint]" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 04.04.21 Mode "#rockbox -o [Saint]" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 04.04.37 # <[Saint]> bah 04.25.15 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 04.26.38 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@ip98-186-66-92.fv.ks.cox.net) 04.26.38 Quit cmhobbs (Changing host) 04.26.38 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 04.34.34 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-233-236.mcn.bellsouth.net) 04.36.59 Join jtdesigns01 [0] (~jtdesigns@c-68-43-178-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 04.39.54 # can the name of a plugin have a space in it? 04.45.38 Quit jtdesigns01 (Remote host closed the connection) 04.48.59 Join jtdesigns01 [0] (~jtdesigns@c-68-43-178-141.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 04.52.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.58.45 Quit jtdesigns01 (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 05.07.15 # <[Saint]> The name it displays can, I believe. 05.08.11 # <[Saint]> Don't quote me on it, but I /believe/ the display name and the name of the actual plugin file needn't necessarily be the same. 05.15.44 # d o n g s.rbplug 05.16.50 Mode "#rockbox +o [Saint]" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 05.16.56 Kick (#rockbox dongs :dongs) by [Saint]!~hayden@rockbox/staff/saint 05.17.04 Mode "#rockbox -o [Saint]" by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 05.18.39 Join dongs [0] (~dongs@bcas.tv) 05.18.48 # :/ 05.19.00 # so spaces in filenames are not allowed? 05.26.34 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 05.27.56 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.41.46 Join yosafbridge [0] (~yosafbrid@105.ip-167-114-152.net) 05.51.44 Join Aldem [0] (~Aldem@unaffiliated/aldem) 05.55.10 Quit ParkerR (Quit: Leaving) 06.16.49 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 06.18.23 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 06.20.19 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 06.21.10 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 06.30.48 Quit Aldem (Quit: Later) 06.33.08 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 06.37.55 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 06.49.25 Join rela [0] 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15.23.32 Quit p3tur (Changing host) 15.23.32 Join p3tur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 15.25.41 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@pD9EE833A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.34.50 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 15.34.51 Quit p3tur (Quit: Leaving) 15.35.11 Quit AlexP (Remote host closed the connection) 15.39.24 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 15.47.44 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 15.56.42 Quit Persits (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 16.03.37 Quit krabador (Quit: Take The Time) 16.04.29 Quit utrack (Quit: WeeChat 1.2) 16.40.53 Join Persits [0] (~Persits1@46.120.97.210) 16.52.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.02.46 Quit pystar89 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 17.06.57 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 17.58.56 Join RiD [0] (Ghost@bl22-42-214.dsl.telepac.pt) 17.59.06 Quit RiD (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.31.20 # It seems that the name of the plugin in CATEGORIES must be the name of the .rock file in the rocks folder. Is this right? 18.32.17 # actually, hold on.... no thats obviously not it since the rocks folder seems to be divided up according to the contents of CATEGORIES.... 18.41.06 Join AlexP [0] (~alex@rockbox/staff/AlexP) 18.41.37 Join Markmast_ [0] (~Markmaste@94.242.146.136) 18.53.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.54.31 # wow... i dont understand how this works at all. if somebody could please explain how CATEGORIES and plugins in a folder interact, that would be much appreciated. :) 19.07.02 Quit krabador (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 19.15.45 Join pystar89 [0] (~pystar89@ip-84-119-98-71.unity-media.net) 19.24.52 Quit Markmast_ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 19.27.59 Quit pystar89 (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 19.41.46 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 19.41.53 # jtdesigns01: CATEGORIES is only used to group the plugins in folders when creating rockbox.zip 19.42.26 # and yes, the name is the name of the .rock file 19.43.42 # i see. OK that makes sense. 19.44.38 # So could i make a .rock file with a space in the name and add that to CATEGORIES? 19.49.18 Nick suYin`OFF is now known as suYin (suYin@server1.bouncer4you.de) 19.49.22 Nick suYin is now known as suYin`OFF (suYin@server1.bouncer4you.de) 19.49.24 Quit aphirst (Quit: Leaving) 19.49.49 Nick suYin`OFF is now known as suYin (suYin@server1.bouncer4you.de) 19.50.13 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-177-161.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 19.58.06 Quit mc2739 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 20.00.20 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 20.01.47 Join [Franklin] [0] (~franklin@unaffiliated/franklin) 20.09.18 Quit [Franklin] (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 20.13.31 # not sure if the scripts handle spaces in the name. Generally you shouldn't do that for code. 20.24.47 Quit chrisb (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 20.31.28 Quit Persits (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 20.31.40 Quit ParkerR (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.31.58 Join Persits [0] (~Persits1@46.120.97.210) 20.32.13 Quit Persits (Client Quit) 20.36.33 Join [Franklin] [0] (~franklin@unaffiliated/franklin) 20.38.49 Join RiD [0] (~RiD@bl22-42-214.dsl.telepac.pt) 20.38.49 Quit RiD (Client Quit) 20.52.37 Join Markmaster [0] (~Markmaste@94.242.146.136) 20.53.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.57.24 # If i rename the .rock file with a space, then it does show up correctly. 20.58.24 Join ParkerR [0] (~ParkerR@unaffiliated/parkerr) 20.58.34 # I just don't know how to set that up to happen using my makefile (copied from sudoku) and CATEGORIES\ 21.04.38 # My bet is that as soon as you've figured it out, (a) you'll know a *lot* about makefiles and (b) you won't put a space in a filename ever again 21.07.04 Quit [Franklin] (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 21.14.11 Join Persits [0] (~Persits1@46.19.85.182) 21.26.06 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 21.29.44 Join pystar89 [0] (~pystar89@ip-84-119-98-71.unity-media.net) 21.49.37 Join [Franklin] [0] (~franklin@unaffiliated/franklin) 21.51.40 # <[Franklin]> jtdesigns01: why do you need/want spaces in a plugin name? 22.00.54 # <[Saint]> _ 22.00.59 # <[Saint]> problem solved. 22.01.35 # <[Saint]> these_make_fairly_convincing_spaces.rock 22.09.54 Quit Markmaster (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 22.10.03 Join Markmaster [0] (~Markmaste@146.185.183.227) 22.14.57 Quit [Franklin] (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22.25.22 # [Franklin]: i want spaces because the name of the game that I am making is "Star Wars: Dark Forces". 22.26.15 # <[Saint]> the : is out for a start 22.26.39 # [Saint]: i agree but spaces are still better. If all else fails, i can just rename the .rock file. 22.26.57 # oh really, whats wrong with ":"? 22.27.14 # Reserved character on FAT 22.27.25 # <[Saint]> yup 22.27.36 # dang. 22.27.51 # <[Saint]> also - it's a registered trademark dude. 22.27.53 Join [Franklin] [0] (~franklin@unaffiliated/franklin) 22.27.59 # You clearly want to call it swdf.rock :) 22.28.13 # yeah, totally 22.28.47 # [Franklin]: i want spaces because the name of the game that I am making is "Star Wars: Dark Forces". 22.29.06 # (sorry for the repost) 22.29.43 Quit Markmaster (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 22.29.45 # <[Saint]> I absolutely would not be surprised, at all, if Lucas' team of law-ninjas went all Tetris on us if you tried to use the Star Wars brand. 22.30.08 Join Markmaster [0] (~Markmaste@146.185.183.227) 22.30.28 # when was last time we got in trouble with licencing? 22.30.35 # which is why you will need to use the original DF files. 22.31.14 # and seriously, i doubt DISNEY will care at all. 22.31.43 # "went all Tetris on us" haha, thats great 22.32.13 # <[Saint]> jtdesigns01: yeah, sure, but the phrase "Star Wars" is pretty heavily and actively protected. 22.32.22 # I remember playing SW:DW on PC. When was it? 1995? 22.32.23 Quit ParkerR (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22.32.25 # <[Saint]> like...a lot 22.32.38 # <[Saint]> lebellium: it was indeed 22.33.00 # fine..... ::pout:: Dark Forces 22.33.31 # Just call it "War of Stars" and you trick it 22.33.50 # first game i ever played, still playing it 22.34.30 # I never managed to complete it.... but I was 6-7 years old...Ready to start again on rockbox ;)à 22.34.37 # HMMM.... SW isnt a registered trademark 22.34.46 Quit [Franklin] (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.35.06 # <[Saint]> "Something, Something, Something, Not That Other Star Thing With The Wars" 22.35.16 # deep dark secret here...... I still havent finished it either 22.36.57 Quit Markmaster (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22.37.26 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@wsip-70-166-133-228.fv.ks.cox.net) 22.37.26 Quit cmhobbs (Changing host) 22.37.26 Join cmhobbs [0] (~cmhobbs@fsf/member/cmhobbs) 22.37.44 # <[Saint]> everyone knows the Jedi Knight series was the shit. 22.38.01 # meaning it was bad or awesome? 22.38.22 # <[Saint]> that, and, Star Wars Battlefront, when it was a BF2 mod - before it sold out. 22.38.24 # <[Saint]> awesome. 22.38.52 # Whew you had me worried. 22.39.01 # <[Saint]> And then KOTOR 22.39.16 # <[Saint]> but that's a bit more involved, and - a lot more offtopic...whoops 22.39.34 # oh yeah...... sorry 22.39.53 Join ParkerR [0] (~ParkerR@unaffiliated/parkerr) 22.42.06 Join [Franklin] [0] (~franklin@unaffiliated/franklin) 22.44.31 Join Markmast_ [0] (~Markmaste@94.242.146.136) 22.44.31 Quit ParkerR (Client Quit) 22.49.17 Quit cmhobbs (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 22.49.48 Quit Markmast_ (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 22.49.52 Join aphirst [0] (~aphirst@ipbcc1a420.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 22.50.10 Join Markmaster [0] (~Markmaste@94.242.146.136) 22.53.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.08.08 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 23.08.44 # sorry to interrupt your very interesting discussion (which is very effectively distracting me from actually writing code), but are there docs for the plugin api? 23.09.38 # <[Franklin]> yes 23.09.55 # REALLY! WOOOOHOOOOOOO 23.10.00 # Where? 23.10.14 # <[Franklin]> it's pretty well-commented 23.10.14 # <[Franklin]> and mostly self-explanatory 23.11.25 # hmm, maybe its just me but plugin.h and plugin.c dont seem to have many comments 23.16.16 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.17.32 Quit krabador (Quit: Take The Time) 23.27.56 Quit [Franklin] (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.29.00 Quit Persits (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 23.45.39 Join [Franklin] [0] (~franklin@unaffiliated/franklin) 23.50.16 Nick suYin is now known as suYin`OFF (suYin@server1.bouncer4you.de)