--- Log for 30.08.115 Server: leguin.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 days and 20 hours ago 00.10.02 Quit Sys64802 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.30.04 Quit przemhb (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 01.03.09 Join [Franklin] [0] (~franklin@unaffiliated/franklin) 01.04.04 Quit dfkt (Disconnected by services) 01.04.12 Join dfkt_ [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 01.08.14 Quit [Franklin] (Remote host closed the connection) 01.08.34 Join [Franklin] [0] (~franklin@unaffiliated/franklin) 01.15.12 # <[Saint]> If any of you guys have a direct line of conversation with Bjorn, regarding gerrit, it should be noted that updating the oauth plugin isn't going to cut it. 01.15.30 Join soap__ [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 01.15.32 # <[Saint]> The gerrit instance also needs to be updated to be able to actually make use of oauth2. 01.16.52 Quit soap_ (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 01.17.10 Quit soap (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 01.17.12 Join soap_ [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 01.27.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.32.18 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 41.0/20150827142634]) 01.40.44 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.41.28 Quit bertrik (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.41.30 Quit ParkerR (Remote host closed the connection) 01.42.53 Join ParkerR [0] (~ParkerR@unaffiliated/parkerr) 02.13.50 Join CrashBash-Kun [0] (~CrashBash@unaffiliated/crashbash-kun) 02.15.46 Join CrashBash-Kun_ [0] (~CrashBash@unaffiliated/crashbash-kun) 02.18.39 Quit CrashBash-Kun (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02.46.45 Quit Ivoah (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.47.20 Join Ivoah [0] (~Ivoah@p-74-209-20-240.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net) 02.47.51 Quit uwe_mobile__ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 02.47.58 Join uwe_mobile [0] (~uwe@static.88-198-8-117.clients.your-server.de) 02.54.58 Quit ParkerR (Quit: Leaving) 02.56.02 Join ParkerR [0] (~ParkerR@unaffiliated/parkerr) 03.09.48 Quit ZincAlloy (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 03.25.44 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@p57B94851.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 03.25.48 Quit soap_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03.25.56 Quit ZincAlloy (Client Quit) 03.26.16 Join soap_ [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 03.27.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.52.50 # Guys, I have a question, my iPod won't play in my car because the filesystem takes about a minute to mount and the car stereo just assumes something is wrong when it doesn't mount right away. Is there any way I can get Rockbox to mount the filesystem quicker? 03.58.33 # <[Saint]> This has nothing to do with Rockbox. Rockbox mounts its filesystem immediately. 03.58.42 # <[Saint]> It's your brain dead head unit's fault. 03.59.22 # <[Saint]> ...unless that was oddly worded, it should be very obvious that Rockbox mounts its filesystem near immediately. 03.59.40 # <[Saint]> If it didn't, it wouldn't boot until it had. 04.00.08 # <[Saint]> What your head unit does or doesn't do and how fast it does it isn't anything Rockbox can govern. 04.09.13 # [Saint], Sorry, I guess what I meant to say is that Rockbox doesn't let go of the filesystem. My computer takes a while to mount my iPod when I plug it in to add files, I just figured something was wrong with my device or the software. 04.09.49 Nick soap_ is now known as soap (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 04.09.56 # <[Saint]> As soon as you see the USB screen on ROckbox, it has "let go" of the filesystem. 04.10.04 # Is that what the problem is? 04.10.20 # Or is that an assumption? 04.10.47 # Well, when I plug it in to my computer it takes a while 04.10.50 # IOW what is the evidence you have that the reason your head unit is failing to mount your ipod is because of the speed of the FS presentation? 04.11.26 # I find it FAR more likely that the problem is that your ipod has the USB ID of an Apple Ipod but does not respond to serial commands as if it were an apple ipod. 04.11.36 # soap, it's pure assumption, I don't know if that is the issue 04.11.55 # Whatever Toyota head unit "Error 5" means is what is happening 04.12.00 # then, please, don't say "my ipod won't play in my car because..." 04.12.48 # <[Saint]> Putting it in disk mode or booting the original firmware will likely alleviate this entirely. 04.12.54 # Do you have all the accessory port options turned on? 04.13.02 # Last I looked they were off by default to save power. 04.13.09 # <[Saint]> They default on. 04.13.10 # soap, where? Settings? 04.13.14 # <[Saint]> Because people are silly. 04.13.15 # NVM. 04.13.36 # Is there still a build on the forums with the USB ID changed away from the apple default? 04.14.15 # <[Saint]> Video shouldn't need this at all, 'cos dual-boot and/or disk mode. 04.14.34 # This is the iPod Classic with emCORE 04.14.34 Quit [Franklin] (Remote host closed the connection) 04.14.41 # For some (many? most?) people an iPod with rockbox which doesn't claim to be an ipod will mount to headunits as a simple mass storage device, which is what people w/o the apple firmware in use (and the apple ipod database the head unit is looking for) actually want. 04.15.11 # <[Saint]> Ah. Shit, where did I get Video from? Mixing two conversations. Gah. 04.15.26 # [Saint], no problem :P 04.15.32 # no point booting to the Apple OS if there are no files in the Apple OS database. The head unit might not barf, but it also won't find any music to play. 04.15.47 # <[Saint]> Yeah...that puts you in a fairly tricky situation. You either need to edit the USB V/PID, or put it in disk mode before connecting it to the head unit. 04.16.05 # [Saint], how do I force Disk Mode? 04.16.28 # <[Saint]> select+play 04.17.04 # just, like... touch them or hold? 04.17.06 # <[Saint]> There's a metric shittonne of patches that need to be merged before even the most basic of accessory protocol support works out of the box on the Classic. 04.17.16 # <[Saint]> press and hold. 04.17.36 # It just shuts down :P 04.17.40 # <[Saint]> (this assumes the device is powered down or rebooting) 04.17.47 # oh I see 04.18.36 # <[Saint]> If your head unit can access generic removable storage this should "Just Work", but there's always the possibility that it sees the USB V/PID, sees it's an iPod, and refuses to play nice. 04.18.46 # <[Saint]> At which point editing the V/PID is your only option. 04.19.26 # I just get my bootloader if I hold Play+Select, is that what should be happening. :P 04.20.09 # [Saint], The head unit does say USB instead of the usual iPod when I plug it in so I think it should "just work" 04.21.28 # <[Saint]> Ahhhh fuck, the release version of emCORE doesn't have this magic. That's mildly depressing. 04.22.28 # <[Saint]> sec - I'll have to compile you a build, assuming you don't want to have to set all the shit up to do this yourself. 04.22.29 # shit, any other version I could use? Development build or something? 04.22.39 # [Saint], that would be awesome! 04.22.42 # <[Saint]> Nothing that should be public, nah. 04.25.20 # <[Saint]> K. I'll give you a poke when it's built and uploaded. I just garbled the V/PID, but any garbage should work here. We're just trying to convince the head unit it isn't an iPod. 04.25.39 # alright 04.38.03 # <[Saint]> Petri152: http://www.datafilehost.com/d/c951ff39 04.38.37 # <[Saint]> (sorry it took so long, had to go get coffee and sort out a kitten that thought digging up my potplants was a good idea) 04.38.47 # <[Saint]> Just extract that archive to the root of the device. 04.39.13 # alright 04.39.27 # <[Saint]> In theory, the head unit, and everything else, will now have absolutely no way of detecting that this device is an iPod. 04.39.44 # I don't know if that was the issue 04.39.47 # but I'll try it 04.39.49 # <[Saint]> (note that if you apply any of the Rockbox binaries this will be undone) 04.40.35 # <[Saint]> So assuming this works you're either committed to occasionally finding me if this works, or setting up your own build environment, or never updating again. 04.41.39 # <[Saint]> My guess would be that the head unit is seeing that the device is an ipod and attempting to communicate with it using the iPod Accessory Protocol, which the Classic knows precisely nothing about. 04.41.50 # <[Saint]> (under Rockbox at least) 04.41.57 # alright, I'll try it now, I'll probably get back to you in about 5 minutes 04.42.07 # <[Saint]> Apple Macs do the same thing with Rockboxed iPods. 04.42.22 # <[Saint]> They see it's an iPod and refuse to treat it any other way. 04.42.48 # <[Saint]> *Rockboxed Classic, I should sya. 04.42.56 # <[Saint]> *say, bah. 04.47.12 # shitty fucking cable 04.47.27 # kept connecting and disconnecting 04.47.42 # iPod kernel panic ensued 04.48.06 # any idea how to reset this? 04.48.18 # <[Saint]> Reset what? 04.48.32 # the iPod, I'm stuck at a kernel panic screen 04.48.57 # <[Saint]> Ah. Just just hold menu+select. 04.49.07 # thanks 04.57.56 # [Saint], what do I do if this happens? http://petritrebs.ca/screenshot/ipod.PNG 04.59.08 # <[Saint]> Do you have all your media backed up? 04.59.11 # All of my music is still on the device, it's just not mounting gracefully 04.59.24 # [Saint], yeah, why? 05.00.24 Quit orly_owl (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 05.03.32 # <[Saint]> Just a precaution. Often it isn't worth the time or effort to recovery a broken filesystem on removable storage where the mdedia is backed up elsewhere. Time vs. effort vs. possible outcomes it is probably a lot more beneficial to just format the entire volume via the emCORE main menu. 05.04.13 # <[Saint]> Generally speaking I wouldn't bother trying to recover the filesystem on a device where the contents can easily be replaced. 05.04.53 # alright 05.05.43 # I should really throw an ssd in here 05.06.05 # <[Saint]> As for why this happened, it may have taken an objection to the flakey USB cable. 05.06.05 # old HDD = slowness and possible failure 05.06.24 # <[Saint]> These HDDs like to commit suicide. The firmware on them is terrible. 05.07.01 # <[Saint]> Though the SSD adapter plates available for them aren't exactly what I would consider reliable either. 05.07.56 # Out of all the options which would you recommend? 05.08.20 # There are little sata ones and then there are ones for CompactFlash 05.08.31 # or should I just get a new HDD? 05.09.48 # <[Saint]> If there's no direct evidence that HDD is failing I wouldn't bother at all really. 05.10.11 # <[Saint]> The only time it makes a real world difference is when you're transferring media. 05.10.23 # <[Saint]> Which is not often, with large capacity drives. 05.10.29 # I guess what I mean is for when a possible failure occurs or I am in need of expansion 05.10.41 # Also battery life 05.11.06 # SSD would improve it, no need for drive spinup 05.11.37 # <[Saint]> For cheap and readily available, I'd lean towards compact flash. 05.12.01 # <[Saint]> ~$20 for the adapter plate, plus whatever CF media you put in there. 05.12.19 # ~$20? Where are you buying these? :P 05.12.34 # <[Saint]> https://www.tarkan.info/store 05.13.03 # nice 05.13.44 # <[Saint]> Though for the Classic there is a very real chance that once opened by a layman it's never going to be functional again. 05.13.52 # <[Saint]> I can't stress that enough. 05.14.11 # How so? 05.14.24 # <[Saint]> They are a right bitch to get into gracefully. 05.15.01 # don't mean to toot my own horn, but I don't consider myself a layman 05.23.30 Quit [7] (Disconnected by services) 05.23.40 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.27.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.37.44 Join orly_owl [0] (~david@unaffiliated/orly-owl/x-3167833) 05.55.26 Join CrashBash-Kun [0] (~CrashBash@unaffiliated/crashbash-kun) 05.58.01 Quit CrashBash-Kun_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 06.32.13 Join Strife89 [0] (~Strife89@adsl-98-80-207-38.mcn.bellsouth.net) 06.42.42 Quit CrashBash-Kun (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 06.48.17 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 06.56.00 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