--- Log for 17.10.115 Server: sinisalo.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 0 days ago 00.04.56 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151012151721]) 00.18.42 Join Smarticles101 [0] (~Smarticle@codmadnesspro.com) 00.21.06 Join Maxdamantus [0] (~Maxdamant@unaffiliated/maxdamantus) 00.29.47 Quit dfkt (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.34.35 Quit ender` (Quit: I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. -- Mark Twain) 00.35.33 Join dfkt [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 00.36.13 Quit dfkt (Client Quit) 00.42.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.52.21 Quit Cinos (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00.58.22 Join Cinos [0] (~Cinos@a.kittyboy.named.cinos.pw) 00.59.39 Quit zoktar (Quit: -) 01.10.57 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01.15.45 Quit Cinos (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01.20.56 Join Cinos [0] (~Cinos@a.kittyboy.named.cinos.pw) 01.32.53 Join rela_ [0] (~x@p200300764D0C8B003822D84284E1BC88.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.36.44 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 01.58.20 Join chrisb [0] (~chrisb@li482-205.members.linode.com) 01.58.40 Nick suYin is now known as suYin`OFF (mysuyin@server2.shellfire.net) 02.27.32 Quit Smarticles101 (Quit: Um, bai!) 02.42.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.43.13 Join greatwolf [0] (greatwolf@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-pvdfsjzufekaaeyt) 02.47.22 Quit olspookishmagus (Remote host closed the connection) 02.52.29 Quit Jack87 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.55.21 # Yay, playing Rockblox on my ZEN X-Fi 02.55.42 Join Jack87 [0] (Jack87@nasadmin/admin/jack87) 02.55.57 # Would probably be more enjoyable if I had soldered the keypad back on such that the front cover would also fit. 03.03.12 # Ah, was on a branch from 2014 .. apparently plugins are enabled by default now. 03.05.33 # <[Saint]> I think some keymaps might be a bit weird though. 03.06.01 # <[Saint]> From memory it was brought up to a point where plugins compile and "work", keymaps might not necessarily be sane. 03.06.24 # * Maxdamantus will see what some of them are like. 03.06.40 Quit dan- (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 03.13.24 # Well, Rockblox is playable at least. 03.13.41 Join dan- [0] (~d@101.165.69.172) 03.13.42 Quit dan- (Changing host) 03.13.42 Join dan- [0] (~d@unaffiliated/danneh-/x-7505085) 03.14.18 # <[Saint]> To be perfectly honest, I just hide all that crap. 03.14.36 # <[Saint]> I use the main menu sort/item order config option to do so. 03.15.03 # <[Saint]> My Main menu has: Files, Resume Playback, and Settings. 03.15.07 # * Maxdamantus mostly just played Rockblox and listened to music on his last music player. 03.15.31 # <[Saint]> I don't touch any of the plugins at all, generally speaking. 03.15.37 # <[Saint]> If I do, it is usually a viewer. 03.16.40 # <[Saint]> Before having the option to configure the main menu, I used to just compile with all those options disabled, and no plugins except viewers. 03.17.29 # <[Saint]> No database, no recording (I use iPods, so recording is largely silly and cumbersome and my phone does an infinitely better job), no FM, etc. etc. 03.17.47 # <[Saint]> Hell, I even use the fallback theme these days. 03.18.12 # <[Saint]> system RAM consumption is like 6MB. 03.18.14 # Actually, I sometimes still use it for recording (Sansa Clip Zip). 03.19.10 # <[Saint]> I much prefer the additional battery life from a larger audiobuffer than I do additional features I might maybe use one day. 03.19.26 # <[Saint]> with flash based targets it isn;t so important. 03.19.47 # <[Saint]> with a platter, ideally, you want to be waking the disk as infrequently as possible. 03.20.49 # <[Saint]> my minimal use case for Rockbox is kinda counterintuitive for someone that spent so long with the theme engine. 03.21.59 # <[Saint]> I still have a bunch of work there I need to finish with touchscreen targets. 03.24.27 # * Maxdamantus wonders how far anyone's gone in implementing some sort of networking in Rockbox. 03.24.50 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 03.26.19 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@83.175.90.24) 03.26.20 # <[Saint]> I can't offhand think of a single supported device that that would make sense on. 03.26.31 # <[Saint]> The devices with networking we don't run as the host. 03.26.42 # <[Saint]> so the host takes care of networking. 03.27.36 # What do you mean by "the host"? 03.27.37 # <[Saint]> If Rb did have a network stack, you'd just be having to plug it into a device that is vastly more capable and suited for the task of networking anyway. 03.27.50 # well, it could possibly be useful if you got a uSD wifi card 03.27.52 # Oh, a USB host. 03.27.59 # <[Saint]> No. 03.28.06 # Surely there must be a couple of devices with WiFi. 03.28.11 # <[Saint]> The host OS. Rockbox doesn't always run as the primary OS. 03.28.12 # This ZEN X-Fi has it at least. 03.28.25 # Ah. 03.28.32 # That's not the case on this device. 03.29.25 # <[Saint]> The only thing I could think of that would be obviously useful would be DLNA et al. 03.29.42 # <[Saint]> But that would be a lot of work that touches many areas of the core for a tiny subset of devices. 03.29.54 # <[Saint]> One or two, IIRC. 03.30.32 # hey guys, what about a uSD wifi card? 03.30.49 # could it be made to work? 03.31.08 # Theoretically. 03.31.17 # There shouldn't be any hardware limitation. 03.31.52 # I imagine that could introduce a bunch of use cases. 03.32.37 # Take any small media player you can find, put a µSD WiFi card in it, have it mount a filesystem wirelessly from your phone. 03.33.24 # <[Saint]> or, y'know, use the sdcard as an sdcard. ;) 03.33.46 # <[Saint]> mount the filesystem as a filesystem, genius! 03.34.46 # Another use might be providing the filesystem from the SD card using a networking protocol, if that's advantageous (probably not, really, since RB doesn't really do much multitasking) 03.35.02 # eg, my phone does crazily stupid things regarding sharing the SD card over USB. 03.35.22 # <[Saint]> I assume you mean MTP. 03.35.32 # <[Saint]> Which is neither crazy nor stupid (IMO). 03.35.35 # it tries to unmount it before creating a UMS, but if that fails, it does a lazy unmount .. then proceeds. 03.35.44 # MTP isn't a very good filesystem protocol. 03.35.55 # It doesn't have seek, append, etc, afaik 03.35.56 # afk 03.36.13 # <[Saint]> probably because it's not a filesystem protocol. 03.39.54 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. 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17.52.44 # is that a wifi card in a uSD form factor ? 17.53.02 # probably 17.53.18 # yes 17.53.22 # afaik 17.53.36 # ive seen sd ones but not uSD 17.54.30 Quit ParkerR (Remote host closed the connection) 17.56.06 Join ParkerR [0] (~ParkerR@unaffiliated/parkerr) 17.57.04 # hum, what I find on the internet are kinds of hotspot 17.57.48 Join rjalex [0] (~rjalex@2.236.244.225) 18.05.59 Quit orly_owl (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.06.00 Join orly_owl_ [0] (~david@ppp118-209-16-247.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) 18.06.05 Nick orly_owl_ is now known as orly_owl (~david@ppp118-209-16-247.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) 18.06.09 Quit orly_owl (Client Quit) 18.06.40 Join orly_owl [0] (~david@unaffiliated/orly-owl/x-3167833) 18.43.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.45.04 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! 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