--- Log for 11.11.115 Server: wilhelm.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 6 hours ago 00.09.37 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00.28.30 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 00.30.53 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 00.49.23 Join [Saint] [0] (~hayden@rockbox/staff/saint) 00.52.06 Quit ender` (Quit: Cigarettes are like squirrels. They're perfectly harmless until you put one in your mouth and light it on fire.) 01.05.00 # <[Saint]> What the _Hell_ is cortexM4_but_really_actually_rk27 guy on the forums doing? 01.05.42 # <[Saint]> To be perfectly honest, I'm wondering how on Earth he got execution and playback... 01.14.17 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 43.0/20151103023037]) 01.17.59 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.20.07 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-8-228.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) 01.20.07 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 01.20.07 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.24.08 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.25.07 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-97-92.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) 01.25.07 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 01.25.07 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.40.27 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 01.47.53 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01.49.58 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 01.57.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.59.20 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 03.02.49 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 03.07.48 Quit Aldem (Quit: Later) 03.23.04 Join Yogurt [0] (4cadbe8d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.173.190.141) 03.23.09 # Hey all, anyone seen this? 03.23.10 # https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/seiun-players-hi-res-audio-meets-4k-video/x/12724136#/ 03.25.19 # <[Saint]> it has two things that rockbox doesn't care for in the slightest, and unless you're willing to do a port for it, I'm not sure how much it matters that anyone else sees it. 03.25.37 # <[Saint]> those two things being: "HD" audio, and video. 03.26.35 # <[Saint]> I realize that sounds harsh, but, yeah. 03.26.56 # <[Saint]> "high res" audio is an absolute joke. 03.27.24 # without getting into the mertis or lack there of of the "quality" 03.27.41 # the smaller one looks like the most exciting new DAP I've seen in a long time 03.27.53 # <[Saint]> 384KHz/32bit PCM Audio simply demonstrates little more than the fact that the maintainer/lead is a fucking idiot. 03.28.02 # 12 hour battery, good format coverage 03.28.10 # cheap 03.28.15 Quit ps-auxw (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 03.28.59 # <[Saint]> 48KHz/16 bit is good enough for everyone in the consumer market. 03.29.06 # <[Saint]> in fact, it's actually overkill. 03.29.19 # indeed 03.29.32 # but when's the last time rockbox actually had a new port? 03.30.05 # <[Saint]> There's still active development on a number of unreleased ports. 03.30.18 # <[Saint]> But unless you're going to make this port, I'm not sure the question matters. 03.30.34 # <[Saint]> And if you are, unless you change a LOT, the device is very poorly suited. 03.30.43 # how so? 03.30.49 # <[Saint]> Seeing as how we're going to downsample everything to 16 bit at 48KHz anyway. 03.31.08 # it seems like a better sansa clip + to me 03.31.36 # <[Saint]> The two items pretty much can't be compared in that fashion. 03.31.50 # <[Saint]> The Clip series is a series of disposable devices for athletes and gym bunnies. 03.32.05 # <[Saint]> Something you can essentially destroy and not give a shit about. 03.32.14 # yes 03.32.21 # which is why it's awesome 03.32.44 # the smaller seiun is $30 03.33.00 # which is less than a clip+ on amazon 03.33.00 # <[Saint]> you'd get the same value, more so actually, out of a second hand Android handset. 03.33.12 # no 03.33.12 # just no 03.33.30 # <[Saint]> If you say so. 03.33.43 # <[Saint]> In reality, however...yes. 03.33.57 # android handsets don't have buttons and thus have crappy UIs 03.34.00 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 03.34.03 # maybe they sound better 03.34.08 # maybe it's more GB/$ 03.34.16 # but they're shit to use 03.34.29 # <[Saint]> What world do you live in where Android handsets don't have buttons? 03.34.35 # earth 03.34.40 # <[Saint]> Apparently not. 03.35.03 Join ps-auxw [0] (~arneb@p50874913.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 03.35.16 # https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Nexus_5_%281%29.jpg 03.35.29 # volume rocker and power 03.35.31 # that's all 03.35.39 # <[Saint]> Those are buttons are they not? 03.35.44 # <[Saint]> Also - small sample size is small. 03.36.06 # https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Sansa_clip_plus_8gb_black.jpg 03.36.23 # volume rocker, next, last, home, play/pause, and menu 03.36.26 # <[Saint]> fuck, there's plenty of devices from the past that have a full fucking DPAD and physical back/menu buttons. 03.36.44 # <[Saint]> the notion those devices don't exist is absurd. 03.36.55 # <[Franklin]> almost all of them do 03.37.12 # <[Saint]> those from the past, yes, indeed. 03.37.23 # <[Saint]> anything from ~3 or so years ago. 03.37.30 # would you buy one? 03.37.43 # <[Saint]> As an audio player, sure, why not? 03.37.52 # <[Saint]> It's no less silly then the option posted above. 03.38.01 # some 4 hour battery, overly complex, overly large thing just to be a music device? 03.38.09 # <[Saint]> (and actually runs an OS people care about) 03.38.25 # I see android as a downside of the package 03.38.52 # <[Saint]> 4 hour battery...pfffffft. 03.38.53 # <[Saint]> Dude. 03.39.10 # so anyway 03.39.17 # rockbox on the seiun 03.39.25 # you said the device was poorly suited 03.39.25 # <[Saint]> Not gonna happen unless you do it. 03.39.27 # why? 03.39.47 # <[Saint]> because it has way more hardware ability than we're ever going to use. 03.39.58 # board shot: https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1446435202/cpxbj8muzo597vyanqzs.jpg 03.40.08 # so... because it's too good? 03.40.20 # <[Franklin]> 8 core processor!? 03.40.20 # <[Saint]> installing Rockbox on it, as Rockbox is now, would be crippling the "HD" audio aspect of it. 03.40.30 # <[Saint]> WHich is arguably the only attractive element. 03.40.53 # the small one 03.40.58 # the $30 dual core 03.41.01 # <[Saint]> But this is really only a meta-discussion unless you're planning on doing the port. 03.41.02 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-90-230.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) 03.41.02 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 03.41.02 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 03.41.06 # <[Saint]> I assure you no one else will. 03.41.08 # maybe 03.41.22 # I don't know what portng involves 03.41.30 # and you're just saying 'fuck this thing' over and over 03.41.39 # <[Saint]> http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort 03.41.42 # another proprietary hardware DAP? no thanks. pass 03.42.06 # kickstart an open hardware design player that ships rockbox, and I'll buy 03.42.07 # <[Saint]> shadows: but, but, but...HD! 03.42.08 # <[Franklin]> you could probably decode APE in realtime on that thing! 03.42.15 # it may not be proprietary 03.42.24 # that's sorta what I'm getting at 03.42.38 # Yogurt: try finding those chips in single quantity - supply is another problem 03.43.20 # <[Saint]> Oh....hahahahahaha! 03.43.30 # <[Saint]> The $30 "only" does 192KHz PCM 03.43.47 # <[Saint]> fucking audiophiles man... 03.43.58 # eh. 03.44.29 # <[Saint]> Hahahahahahaha! 03.44.31 # <[Saint]> "It frustrates us that audio quality (for both music & film) has stalled at 44.1KHz/16bit Audio as its standard when audio technology and storage space are no longer a limiting factor. " 03.45.13 # <[Saint]> I wonder if it frustrates them that a truly MASSIVE portion of the population will never be able to determine a difference in audio of any higher quality? 03.45.16 # <[Franklin]> [Saint]: for your excellent ears: http://www.audiocheck.net/blindtests_16vs8bit.php 03.45.55 # if you're doing sonar research, 192KHz becomes very important 03.46.30 # <[Saint]> shadows: I'm actually a bat, so, it's very important for me. 03.46.50 # <[Saint]> When I'm not hanging upside down, or eating bugs, I'm jamming on my Pono with Neil Young. 03.47.06 # well. the audiophiles will take a reason - any reason - which supports their religious views 03.47.20 # it's a topic unrelated to actual music 03.47.25 # and someone will jump to make money on it 03.47.35 # hence the 8core player 03.47.48 # <[Saint]> [Franklin]: the irony in "You like classic rock music better? This other test (Neil Young) is for you." is delicious. 03.47.56 # so... other than just complain about it 03.47.58 # <[Saint]> Not sure if it's intentional, but, it's hilarious. 03.48.53 # <[Saint]> that page does link to some sanity, however. 03.48.54 # <[Saint]> http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html 03.49.08 # so shadows, I can't make out the chip in the only board shot they provide. Do you just want to find a single one for specs lookup? 03.49.14 # <[Saint]> that's usually my go-to rant page for explaining to people why big numbers are meaningless in consumer audio. 03.49.53 # Yogurt: single-quantity availability and longevity of supply are important when producing a product in open hardware designs 03.50.21 # oh, so you're thinking of starting a different hardware project? 03.50.36 # theorizing about it yes 03.50.50 # do it 03.50.52 # what product would be an actual success on kickstarter and could ship with rockbox 03.51.00 # <[Franklin]> people'll crowdfund anything nowadays 03.51.17 # <[Saint]> No one wants a device to ship with Rockbox. 03.51.17 # I'll buy it as long as it doesn't have a touch screen 03.51.25 # <[Saint]> Not unless we DRASTICALLY remake the UI. 03.51.29 # give me a clip++ 03.51.31 # :) 03.51.39 # <[Saint]> The UI is very engineer orientated. 03.51.41 # what about the CDJay as an example? 03.51.51 # deejays around the world use CDJay 03.51.53 # <[Saint]> It's pretty obvious it's been built by people who give zero fucks about UX. 03.51.58 # there's not a touch screen 03.52.04 # it's a giant wheel and some buttons 03.52.08 # it's very successful 03.52.33 # moreover it makes no sense to run Android on something like that 03.52.41 # got a link? 03.52.43 # don't see it 03.52.48 # I agree 03.52.59 # sticking android on a DAP makes it needlessly complex 03.52.59 # <[Saint]> Oh holy shit...it's 64 bit. 03.53.01 # <[Saint]> Hahahahahaha 03.53.25 # https://www.pioneerdj.com/en/product/player Pioneer CDJ product line 03.53.30 # <[Saint]> these fuckers are just throwing high numbers at the wall and hoping people jump at it. 03.53.35 # <[Saint]> disgusting. 03.53.42 # eh 03.54.12 # I'd lost interest in their kickstarter even though it is a product category I am interested in 03.54.23 # huh, that's cool 03.55.10 # anyway if you do make an open DAP I'm totally in (again so long as it's more clip+ rather than ipod touch) 03.55.15 # you could call it the rockbox :) 03.55.30 # there's lots of products which fill the need already 03.55.38 # such as... 03.55.43 # <[Saint]> There's something really bloody wrong with this product if they're only getting 12h of playback on it at 500mA. 03.55.49 # <[Saint]> like, reall really wrong. 03.55.59 # <[Saint]> they could easily double that. 03.56.10 # saint: they're resampling. reasons I want rockbox on the thing 03.56.39 # <[Saint]> y'know we resample too, yeah? 03.56.50 # didn't actually 03.56.57 # <[Saint]> Aha. 03.57.06 # but I've been very happy with how rockbox performs and how it functions 03.57.30 # anyway rockbox is not what the kickstarter backers are paying for 03.57.50 # <[Saint]> it's hard to see what they are paying for... 03.57.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.58.04 # you mightn't see it but that doesn't make it invalid or laughable 03.58.04 # they're paying for things they can brag about 03.58.24 # lots of people bought iPhones and apple products as well 03.58.35 # if you pushed the open nature of a rockbox you'd get a decent following 03.58.52 # <[Saint]> Maybe in the past. Not now. 03.58.53 # I don't see the sense in it but it's still just as valid as when I buy a normal priced commodity phone or computer and run my own software on it 03.58.56 # <[Saint]> the DAP space is dead. 03.59.14 # Yogurt: are you very sure of that? playing the other side here, what about bluetooth speaker support? 03.59.36 # I can only speak for myself, but I give zero shits about bluetooth speakers 03.59.36 # <[Saint]> Joe Average doesn't want or need a DAp when their mobile is perfectly capable of supplying their playback needs. 03.59.52 # <[Saint]> 2 devices vs. 1, etc. 03.59.57 # <[Saint]> Mobiles killed DAPs. 04.00.01 # I'm far from the norm, but just because you don't build for the norm doesn't mean you build for no one 04.00.23 # right; however I did point out the professional music mixing space as a possible venue for embedded player firmware 04.00.38 # possibly yes 04.00.52 # if you want open hardware that ships with rockbox, perhaps it will not be a portable player that fits in one's pocket 04.01.05 # what other products would be interesting? 04.01.06 # and that kills it for me 04.01.15 # what other rockbox products? 04.01.24 # what other types of products 04.01.46 # maybe an educational product? 04.01.51 # <[Franklin]> educational!? 04.02.02 # <[Saint]> THINK OF THE CHILDREN! 04.02.07 # I'm not sure I understand the question. You want to know what other products in general I want to see? Like... can openers and washing machines? 04.02.08 # <[Franklin]> how are you going to make rockbox educational? 04.02.26 # <[Franklin]> Yogurt: I think he wants to know what rockbox-based products? 04.02.28 # <[Saint]> education.rock 04.02.31 # oh 04.02.57 # small, fits in your pocket DAPs 04.03.06 # I'm not sure rockbox has any other function for me 04.03.40 # <[Saint]> How else are you gonna play DooM on a screen so small you can't even see the sprites? 04.03.47 # for people wanting to learn how to develop products with complex embedded firmware, rockbox is a good start 04.03.48 # <[Saint]> Priorities, yo. 04.04.59 # <[Franklin]> a rockbox console 04.05.07 # <[Franklin]> "The Rockbox" 04.06.00 # <[Saint]> I want to know exactly what SoC and companion chips they're using. 04.06.24 # <[Saint]> But the fuckers have deliberately defocussed and/or outright removed the vendor info on the shots of the silicon. 04.06.59 # <[Saint]> https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1446438931/q9tqzwkxf93og4mzbcd4.png for instance. 04.07.08 # <[Saint]> they've gone out of their way to obscure the silicon. 04.07.14 # that's not a defocus just a downsample 04.07.35 # does a rockbox player need a screen? 04.07.41 # this one anyway 04.07.42 # https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1446435202/cpxbj8muzo597vyanqzs.jpg 04.07.42 # <[Saint]> no. 04.07.46 # no it does not 04.08.02 # maybe a small low power screen 04.08.02 # <[Saint]> the image I linked above has definitely been deliberately obscured. 04.08.10 # ala the clip+ 04.08.14 # why a screen? 04.08.28 # menu navigation 04.08.32 # <[Franklin]> games 04.08.38 # saint: ya I think your right on that 04.09.20 # shadows: if you remake the rockbox UI in an ipod shuffle sort of way then no I guess it doesn't need a screen 04.09.35 # Yogurt: interesting. has this been attempted already? 04.09.37 # but it needs to be zero config 04.09.40 # no idea 04.10.10 # <[Saint]> using Rockbox as a basis of a product with no screen would be creating a lot of needless work. 04.10.21 # <[Saint]> Hell, just pur a wrapper around ffmpeg and call it a day. 04.10.24 # <[Saint]> *put 04.11.45 # anyway shadows, if you do put together an open DAP shoot me a line at darakian at gmail 04.11.51 # I'd love to see that 04.11.51 # ah 04.11.57 # I'm keeping an eye open 04.12.21 # porting to Raspberry Pi model A+ has been said to be under-useful 04.12.33 # <[Saint]> porting? 04.12.40 # <[Saint]> There's no porting required. 04.12.50 # w/o Linux 04.13.07 # * [Franklin] doesn't get the point of that 04.13.11 # <[Saint]> Oh...ew. 04.13.15 # right 04.13.16 # <[Saint]> yeah, me neither. 04.13.24 # <[Franklin]> why do extra work for negative gain? 04.13.33 # <[Saint]> right. 04.13.36 # indeed 04.13.46 # that is ideal hardware only in the sense that it has enough computing power, and a very good price point 04.13.58 # rockbox is a DAP os. It makes sense in my pocket 04.13.58 # the audio codec onboard is not very clean 04.14.02 # ah 04.14.11 # what about the pi compute module 04.14.15 # the ram stick thing 04.14.16 # right! 04.14.26 # <[Saint]> that's going to be VERY costly. 04.14.33 # then snap it in a breakout board and case 04.14.38 # <[Saint]> and end up in sum total larger than the pi board itself. 04.14.42 # a somewhat portable player module could be made using the compute module 04.14.54 # <[Saint]> and you'd first have to engineer said breakout board. 04.14.57 # ya that would be a decent size 04.14.59 # <[Saint]> again, work for negative gain. 04.15.06 # [Saint]: ? 04.15.15 # saint quit being so negative 04.15.15 # <[Saint]> ?? 04.15.24 # <[Saint]> It's just a fact. 04.15.25 # you've shot down the idea not even understanding what is involved 04.15.30 # ^ 04.15.36 # <[Saint]> I know exactly what is involved. 04.15.44 # <[Saint]> the compute module brings nothing to the table here. 04.15.54 # <[Saint]> absolutely nothing. 04.15.57 # whatever, anyway shadows 04.16.01 # ok 04.16.09 # compute module plus a breakout + case 04.16.18 # maybe $50 in parts costs? 04.16.41 # yeah less than $150 but also figure that the case is not so important 04.16.54 # <[Saint]> using the compute module over the standard raspi will dramatically increase the total cost, mean you'll need to engineer a breakout board for it, and increase the total size to at least that of the standard raspi. 04.16.59 # 3d-printing what it is, some people will design case 04.17.03 # <[Saint]> So, tell me, am I being negative, or just sane? 04.17.14 # negative 04.17.22 # shadow: you think $150? 04.17.22 # <[Saint]> it'll also mean you need to make at least 50K of them... 04.17.34 # Yogurt: less than, yes. I think $150 upper bound 04.17.41 # ok 04.18.00 # $150 is what I paid recently for a custom designed add-on "PortaPack H1" that plugs into the HackRF 04.18.09 # if I could buy an open dap at that price (case, battery, etc.. included) I'd buy that 04.18.10 # <[Saint]> keep in mind that if you're using the compute module that there's a minimum order. 04.18.12 # <[Saint]> again, sanity. 04.18.50 # <[Franklin]> how far did lyre get? 04.18.57 # <[Saint]> :) 04.18.58 # is the patent on the apple click wheel up yet? 04.19.00 # the compute module is handy because it is backed by a well established educational supply foundation 04.19.02 # <[Saint]> About as far as this will. 04.19.11 # <[Franklin]> lol 04.19.14 # <[Saint]> shadows: as opposed to the pi? 04.19.21 # equally so 04.19.38 # <[Saint]> the pi has the bonus of not having any additional HW requirtements, and no minimum order in the tens of thousands. 04.19.39 # you can sell the thing as upgradeable as well if the hardware is open 04.19.51 # the module can just be replaced 04.19.54 # * [Franklin] can imagine a "DAP" with a pi hooked up to a touchscreen, speaker, and battery pack 04.20.06 # touch screen, hiss! 04.20.24 # touch screen, or not, doesn't make any difference really 04.20.29 # <[Franklin]> hey, it's simple and it'll work 04.20.36 # the audio codec is important then 04.20.38 # <[Saint]> The problem with shit like this is scale. 04.20.41 # which one to use? 04.20.43 # buttons over touch screen any day for a DAP 04.20.51 # wolfson? 04.20.57 # anything decent 04.20.59 # <[Saint]> Outside of a few of us here, and maybe a few hundred people globally, no one gives a shit about this type of thing really. 04.21.12 # maybe make it modular if that's not cost prohibitive 04.21.25 # [Saint]: I've twice mentioned the pro audio mixing market, do you forget? 04.21.35 # <[Saint]> you end up with a more expensive, often ugly, inferior product. 04.21.48 # <[Saint]> And, no, I did not. 04.22.07 # a niche market is still a valid market 04.22.14 # <[Saint]> dreams and aspirations aside, scale is your problem. 04.22.24 # Yogurt: no, not cost prohibitive; tough to make a successful kit for sale with multiple valid and competing options from one supplier 04.22.34 # <[Saint]> we know this because we've seen it happen several times in the community already. 04.22.39 # <[Saint]> this is frankly doomed. 04.22.48 # again with the negativity 04.23.02 # oh, dear 04.23.08 # <[Saint]> you're confusing negativity with being realistic. 04.23.20 # <[Saint]> you seem to think it's so easy to deploy consumer grade hardware at scale. 04.23.22 # anyway shadows, I need to run but please do hit me up if you want to move on with this 04.23.29 # the crackhead neighbors are DIY snowmaking outside and hollering loudly 04.23.34 # dont forget this is the kickstarter crowd, they believe anything is possible >_> 04.23.45 # compressor and using all the hot water 04.24.03 # Yogurt: appreciated 04.24.08 # <[Saint]> Ask Google about the Lyre project, and all the hopes and dreams and failure it entails. 04.24.08 # <[Franklin]> did lyre every try crowdfunding? 04.24.16 # <[Saint]> We've seen this play out here at least twice before. 04.24.17 # later all and don't let shadows get you down :) 04.24.20 # Yogurt: for now, I'm running an old Android phone with VideoLan Client, works a treat 04.24.23 # er... saint 04.24.24 # :p 04.24.36 Quit Yogurt (Quit: Page closed) 04.24.51 # VLC needs some tweaks to be comparable to Rockbox in user experience and features 04.25.25 # <[Saint]> If only it was open source and you could do so... ;) 04.25.31 # <[Saint]> Oh, wait. :) 04.26.47 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 04.28.37 # [Saint]: I'm not complaining, just sharing my experience :) 04.29.55 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04.43.59 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 04.51.09 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-119-216.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) 04.51.09 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 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It's nearly unbelievable all the work that have been done... 21.26.47 # yeah, i have a sansa clip zip and feel the same way 21.27.00 # About the clip zip, are you happy of it? 21.27.07 # yes 21.27.16 # I consider offering one to my girlfriend, as her Sansa Clip Plus died :( 21.27.20 # i got a manufacturer refurbished one 21.27.45 # and seriously, Sandisk is now making sh**y mp3 21.28.13 # So I'm up to everything 21.30.10 # do you like your zip ? 21.50.00 # yes 21.58.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.05.17 # the clip zip is the player I use most 22.05.44 # I like it because it's really small and light and has a colour screen (compared to clip and clip+) 22.06.13 # What's the difference between the zip and the sport?? 22.06.16 # It seems to be the same 22.06.33 # the sport is not supported by rockbox 22.07.17 # can't remember exactly why, but I think is was because of low memory of only 16-bit processor 22.07.22 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 22.10.11 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 22.15.04 Quit Poodlemastah (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 22.18.49 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-97-180.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) 22.18.49 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 22.18.49 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 22.20.14 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22.26.03 Join Aldem [0] (~Aldem@unaffiliated/aldem) 22.29.11 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 22.34.01 Join Poodlemastah [0] (~Poodlemas@109-124-181-219.customer.t3.se) 22.41.47 Quit ivologger (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 22.53.09 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 22.56.04 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.01.11 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 23.02.01 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.10.33 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 23.11.09 Quit Electricguy (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 23.12.57 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23.15.41 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-102-238.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) 23.15.41 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 23.15.41 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 23.16.45 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23.30.15 Nick gevaerts_ is now known as gevaerts (~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 23.31.49 Quit dys (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23.34.17 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p5B0C49E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.39.23 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 23.39.30 Join dys [0] (~dys@ip-109-44-182-54.web.vodafone.de) 23.43.01 Quit Aldem (Quit: Later) 23.45.05 Quit girafe2 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.51.07 Nick suYin is now known as suYin`OFF (mysuyin@server2.shellfire.net) 23.58.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"