--- Log for 06.12.115 Server: orwell.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 21 days and 17 hours ago 00.29.03 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 00.42.41 Join MulX [0] (~mulx@eva.aplu.fr) 00.43.08 Quit APLU (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 00.43.09 Nick MulX is now known as APLU (~mulx@eva.aplu.fr) 00.58.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.11.54 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 01.16.56 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-85-190.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 01.22.07 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 01.32.14 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 43.0/20151203163240]) 01.46.44 Quit ender` (Quit: "A five-tailed fox!" Owen exclaimed. "Why'd it have five tails? 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14.46.59 # it is done 14.47.02 # the ipod 14.47.12 # its still stuck at the same as the last pic i showed you 14.47.31 Join theemstra [0] (~theemstra@heemstra.us) 14.54.44 Join WakiMiko [0] (~WakiMiko@unaffiliated/wakimiko) 14.55.00 Join orbea [0] (~orbea@unaffiliated/orbea) 14.55.07 Join haasn [0] (~haasn@static.102.126.46.78.clients.your-server.de) 14.59.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.00.44 Quit Link8 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.02.10 Join Link8 [0] (~me@5ED3CC70.cm-7-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 15.09.43 Quit Link8 (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 15.23.01 Join Link8 [0] (~me@5ED3CC70.cm-7-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 15.30.39 Quit Link8 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15.40.36 Join preglow [0] (~thomj@2001:840:4243:3::101) 15.45.47 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 15.46.17 Join Link8 [0] (~me@5ED3CC70.cm-7-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 15.46.58 # the ipod is stuck [Saint] it must be useless 15.47.07 # im getting an ssd ipod 15.52.08 Nick suYin`OFF is now known as suYin (mysuyin@server2.shellfire.net) 16.01.47 Quit Link8 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.02.57 Join Link8 [0] (~me@94.211.204.112) 16.17.38 Join sparetire_ [0] (~sparetire@unaffiliated/sparetire) 16.18.13 # whos here 16.31.54 Quit Link8 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.32.20 Join Link8 [0] (~me@5ED3CC70.cm-7-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 16.37.29 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 16.40.37 Quit bluebrother^ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16.40.37 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16.45.48 # * [Franklin] waves to Link8 16.46.24 Quit Link8 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16.47.06 Join Link8 [0] (~me@5ED3CC70.cm-7-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 16.55.00 Quit [Franklin] (Read error: No route to host) 16.56.03 Join [Franklin] [0] (~me@unaffiliated/franklin) 16.59.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.01.24 Quit Link8 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.03.01 Join Link8 [0] (~me@5ED3CC70.cm-7-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 17.03.13 # sup [Franklin] 17.03.23 # the ipod is stuck 17.03.29 # fonna get an ssd one 17.10.55 Join varogami [0] (~varogami@net-2-39-100-172.cust.vodafonedsl.it) 17.16.49 Quit Link8 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 17.17.15 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@p57B95CAB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.25.04 Join munch [0] (~munch@unaffiliated/munch) 17.26.14 Quit munch (Client Quit) 17.42.20 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 17.44.34 Quit JanC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17.46.11 Join fordcars_ [0] (~irchon@modemcable215.250-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 17.47.17 Quit fordcars_ (Remote host closed the connection) 17.58.29 Join JanC [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 17.59.15 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-85-190.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 18.26.10 Quit Moarc (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 18.47.00 Join tom00 [0] (6c3de447@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.61.228.71) 18.59.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.42.17 Quit tom00 (Quit: Page closed) 19.42.37 Quit varogami (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19.43.42 Join FSanches [0] (~felipe@2804:14c:37:268b:8c42:a02d:8404:3630) 20.02.42 Join varogami [0] (~varogami@2.39.100.172) 20.17.55 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 20.24.37 Quit varogami (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 20.26.25 Join varogami [0] (~varogami@net-2-39-100-172.cust.vodafonedsl.it) 20.43.56 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@unaffiliated/thelemonman) 20.59.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.01.34 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-86-49-15-121.net.upcbroadband.cz) 21.02.20 Quit ruskie (Excess Flood) 21.22.23 Join ruskie [0] (ruskie@sourcemage/mage/ruskie) 21.39.49 Join Neffi [0] (~Neffi@nymeria.neffi.net) 21.44.23 # Hello. It occurs to me that you folks are probably familiar with the hardware in various players. 21.45.23 # <[Franklin]> probably ;) 21.45.30 # Once upon a time the Fuze line used the same hardware as the Clip line, at least the audio stuff, and then Sandisk eventually refreshed the models with different hardware with worse sound quality. Is anyone familiar with these models? 21.45.41 # <[Saint]> Nah. We just jumble up a bag full of 1s and 0s until something good falls out of it. 21.46.02 # I'm looking to purchase one of the older players off eBay. All the Clip+ and Clip Zips have shot up in price, so I'm looking at the Fuze models, and wondering which have the better sound quality pathway 21.46.44 # <[Saint]> they're all pretty much identical in their mediocrity. 21.47.02 # <[Saint]> if faithful audio reproduction is the end goal, iPod Classic. 21.47.31 # <[Saint]> flattest, most faithful reproduction of any of the targets to date. 21.47.49 # By some definition of "faithful" 21.48.03 # The only part where the Clip+ loses out is noise 21.48.50 # <[Saint]> "the only part where it's not a faithful reproduction is the SoC and NAND access noise it shits over everything....other than that it's fine, totally fine" 21.48.51 # <[Saint]> lol 21.49.01 # <[Saint]> (sorry) 21.50.12 # I welcome you to show me tests which disagree http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/02/sansa-clip-measured.html 21.50.12 Quit varogami (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 21.50.21 # <[Saint]> The Sansas have a slight pitch shift because their clocking was kinda bonkers. It is corrected as best as it can be in Rockbox, but, it's definitely still there. 21.50.41 # Yes, it's been measured as very slightly off 21.50.44 # is it me or [Saint] has been saying here everyday for a few days now that the iPod Classic is awesome and the Clip are bad? :D 21.51.14 # As a previous owner of both models, I'm wondering where the hell that's even coming from. The iPods sound blatantly average 21.51.38 # For one they muddy up the low end and the aforementioned blogger showed issues with output impedance on them, among other problems 21.52.41 # According to the page just linked, Rockblox gets the pitch error down to 0.04%, which I bet is better than average for portable players. 21.53.32 # Anyway, is there some spec sheets I can consult to figure out which models of the Fuze share this sound circuitry with the Clip+/Zip, or does anyone know this off the top of their head? 21.53.39 # * [Saint] needs to finish that RMAA results layer viewer he was working on 21.54.29 # <[Saint]> Neffi: if its not on our wiki, then, you'd have to follow the codepath through the source if you're that dedicated. 21.54.46 # Hmm. I might do that. 21.55.00 # <[Saint]> those who actively care about the sansas have kinda disappeared or otherwise scaled back involvement. 21.55.15 # Well they are pretty aged at this point :( 21.55.31 # Do you know of any other cheap players that can compete with that sound quality? 21.55.44 # (I doubt any exist, which is why I'm looking to buy up these) 21.56.27 # <[Saint]> Not off the top of my head. Well, I have a couple of ideas, but, they're impractical due to no expandable storage. 21.56.31 # they don't sound all that great. my iriver h340 sounded better than my clip zip. and so does my phone.. 21.57.12 # I've owned around 4 Clip+s and 3 Clip Zips now. I'm familiar with their sound quality. 22.02.03 # <[Franklin]> you can rule out the e200 line right now 22.03.05 # <[Franklin]> especially if you care about sound; the headphone jack is so fragile on the one I've got that the sound cuts off every time you apply force to the cable 22.03.39 Quit Smx (Excess Flood) 22.06.00 # The Clip+ has a similar issue. The headphone jack is actually just a husk of plastic which presses the plug against the contacts on the mainboard, and it can come loos 22.06.41 # It is lightweight enough, though, that the connector doesn't really undergo strain under normal use as the headphones are moved about 22.07.55 # <[Saint]> unlike my iPod Classic. 22.07.59 Join Smx [0] (Elite8556@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-onuslyriacsthqxl) 22.08.18 # <[Saint]> I dropped mine once when I was wearing my headphones, and now I'm quadriplegic. 22.09.28 # <[Saint]> That's one blessing about the sansas, they can fall out of your pocket, or have you drop them, and just dangle harmlessly off the phones cable. 22.09.46 # I've put Clips through absolute punishment. They've been chucked at walls, dropped down flights of stairs, regularly dropped and stepped on. They have too little mass to really get damaged. I just end up losing them or putting them through the wash 22.09.49 # <[Saint]> an iPod or a Gigabeat will give you whiplash. 22.09.56 # And on one the screen actually froze because we had a very cold winter day 22.10.30 # I don't want to carry a hard-disk based player, especially when I wasn't happy with the output quality of either model I have previously owned 22.10.43 # <[Saint]> I used them as a "disposable" DAP, for like, running, jogging, otherwise getting sweaty and fucking around in nature, etc. 22.11.18 # <[Saint]> sweat eventually gets in the case and wrecks shit up, though, bigtime. 22.12.09 # <[Saint]> I pulled one apart that had absorbed so much sweat there was human salt crystals forming on the back of the mainboard. 22.12.22 Join munch [0] (~munch@unaffiliated/munch) 22.12.24 # gross 22.12.38 # <[Saint]> Mhm. 22.13.04 # <[Saint]> I'm not exactly a big sweaty manbeast either. 22.13.21 # <[Saint]> It's just a relatively poor case design, it seems to wick up liquids around the case seams. 22.14.35 # Its MSRP was $30 22.14.46 # You can't compare it to a $300 luxury item like the iPod 22.15.03 # (even though it beats the iPod in sound quality, despite what you say, ;) ) 22.24.46 # <[Saint]> What the Hell happened that put Dr. Dre Chronic 2001 back on the top album charts again? 22.25.04 # <[Saint]> errr...wrong channel, but, nevermind. WHat happened, is there something I'm missing? 22.25.44 # James Cameron failed to raise the bar 22.25.46 # we're all doomed 22.46.01 Quit Electricguy (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22.59.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.17.01 Join Aldem [0] (~Aldem@unaffiliated/aldem) 23.40.39 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 23.44.26 Quit Neffi (Quit: Neffi) 23.49.54 Join Neffi [0] (~Neffi@nymeria.neffi.net)