--- Log for 03.01.116 Server: verne.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 12 days and 12 hours ago 00.11.14 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00.33.05 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0/20151228134903]) 01.19.37 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 01.40.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.41.54 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02.06.58 Quit ender` (Quit: There are three deaths. The first is when the body ceases to function. The second is when the body is consigned to the grave. The third is that moment, sometime in the future, when your name is spoken for the last time. -- David Eagleman) 02.17.06 Quit girafe (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.46.26 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 02.47.52 Nick Strife89|Quassel is now known as Strife89 (~quassel@adsl-98-80-221-90.mcn.bellsouth.net) 02.51.22 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 03.07.27 Quit krabador (Quit: Sto andando via) 03.14.28 Join feoafka [0] (~afoakf@d23-16-73-123.bchsia.telus.net) 03.16.01 Quit athidhep (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 03.40.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.13.06 # * [Saint] can't seem to find out where to tie in an "is playback stereo" tag. 04.13.44 # <[Saint]> I realize you're out of this scene JdGordon_, but a point in the right direction would be nice if you get bored enough. 04.13.57 # <[Saint]> I can only see how we're doing it in the FM and recording screens. 04.14.58 # <[Saint]> AH, hmmm. This looks promising. 04.16.28 Join JdGord [0] (~AndChat49@pa49-183-185-206.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au) 04.16.33 # No ixea 04.16.37 Quit JdGord (Client Quit) 05.01.33 Join ey [0] (47e0f5eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.224.245.235) 05.12.27 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 05.17.05 Quit ey (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 05.30.01 Join ergerfgre [0] (47e0f5eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.224.245.235) 05.30.24 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05.30.39 Quit ergerfgre (Client Quit) 05.32.06 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.40.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.47.57 Quit Bray90820 () 06.48.06 Quit Aldem (Quit: Later) 06.59.03 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-254-61.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) 06.59.03 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 06.59.03 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 06.59.10 # [Saint]: figure it out? 07.40.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.53.28 Quit rubber (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 07.58.07 Quit sparetire_ (Quit: sparetire_) 08.02.29 Join uber [0] (~uber@unaffiliated/uber) 08.02.54 Nick uber is now known as Guest1996 (~uber@unaffiliated/uber) 08.45.59 Quit pixelma (Remote host closed the connection) 08.45.59 Quit amiconn (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.48.02 Join pixelma [0] (~pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 08.48.10 Join amiconn [0] (~amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 09.40.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.32.56 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 11.29.13 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~lemonboy@unaffiliated/thelemonman) 11.40.20 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 12.09.43 Join elgis [0] (~none@host-109-204-146-50.tp-fne.tampereenpuhelin.net) 12.09.43 Quit elgis (Changing host) 12.09.43 Join elgis [0] (~none@unaffiliated/elgis) 12.10.16 Nick suYin`OFF is now known as suYin (mysuyin@server2.shellfire.net) 12.14.06 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 12.36.29 Join dfkt [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 12.54.52 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@ren77-h01-176-151-188-9.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 13.00.49 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-86-49-15-121.net.upcbroadband.cz) 13.14.07 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 13.40.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.22.17 Quit krnlyng (Quit: huiiiiii) 14.25.16 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@83.175.90.24) 14.27.49 Quit krnlyng (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.28.45 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@178.112.236.113.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 14.55.31 Quit JdGordon (Remote host closed the connection) 14.57.05 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 15.35.27 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@106.120.20.113) 15.40.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.34.24 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 16.46.33 Nick Guest1996 is now known as rubber (~uber@unaffiliated/uber) 16.50.21 Nick rubber is now known as rubber-soul (~uber@unaffiliated/uber) 17.01.18 Quit krnlyng (Quit: huiiiiii) 17.04.20 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@83.175.90.24) 17.12.32 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@p5B2FC805.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.40.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.04.06 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@106.120.20.113) 18.08.40 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 18.13.01 Join muesli_ [0] (~sdf@ip5f5acf42.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 18.13.30 Quit muesli_ (Client Quit) 18.33.25 Join autofsckk [0] (~autofsckk@unaffiliated/autofsckk) 18.33.37 Quit autofsckk (Client Quit) 18.34.25 Join autofsckk [0] (~autofsckk@unaffiliated/autofsckk) 18.34.44 # hello, happy holidays to everybody 18.39.14 # i have an ipod classic 160G working with rockbox, i have some problems when i try to update my music library with rsync, i cant copy some files because of permission problems or something like that, i want to reformat my ipod and copy everything again, hows the best way to do this? i know theres a tool when you start the ipod to do it, but i cant access it because i configured it to pass that stage dire 18.39.20 # ctly to rockbox, but is that way ... 18.39.22 # ... better or just format it directly at console? 18.51.44 Join girafe [0] (~girafe@AGrenoble-651-1-479-168.w90-42.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.51.50 # I suspect it doesn't matter, but I'm also not at all convinced that formatting will fix the underlying issue 18.55.03 # gevaerts -> what could it be? 18.55.26 # I don't know. "permission problems or something like that" is a bit too vague to go on :) 18.55.43 # But if it's only some files, I'd say maybe FAT filename restrictions 18.57.01 # but fat32 doesnt use permissions no? 18.58.56 # or maybe if you tell me what else info is needed from the transfer maybe? 18.59.51 # Do the files you try to copy have names that contain a ':' character? 19.00.35 # i dont know, let me try again and see what files exactly are the problem 19.04.58 # i get a lot of rsync: failed to set times on " 19.30.32 # i remember thats why i wanted to format it , because somehow the fs got bad, all the files are read-only now 19.31.43 Join sparetire_ [0] (~sparetire@unaffiliated/sparetire) 19.33.29 # Ah, ok, so the driver marks it as read-only after finding an error? 19.33.45 # Yes, then either fsck or reformat 19.34.31 # everything is marked as read-only 19.34.50 # ill try to fix it 19.37.48 Quit krnlyng (Quit: huiiiiii) 19.38.34 # gevaerts -> it looks it is a litt f*ck up jajajaja it shows it like this http://lpaste.net/5505575245093797888 it shows no partition 19.39.18 # * gevaerts isn't sure if the emcore install uses a partition table or not 19.40.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.40.57 # so i should check /dev/sdx then? instead of the partition? 19.45.44 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@178.112.236.113.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 19.55.08 Quit dfkt (Quit: SIC GORGIAMVS ALLOS SVBJECTATOS NVNC.) 20.13.46 # You should run fsck on the same device that you mount 20.21.09 # thanks gevaerts, i already did, it seems to work now, but im making a backup of my music because last time things where not is i thought and made a big big mess, almost lost all my music :D jajajaja 20.21.26 # im using this to update my music rsync -rtv --delete-before --modify-window=1 --exclude-from=/home/ttnk/.excluipod /home/ttnk/02discos/200/Music/ /home/ttnk/02discos/iPodClassic/Music/ is it correct? 20.22.17 # * gevaerts is not an rsync expert 20.23.59 # ok :D gevaerts thanks anyway 20.44.34 Join Aldem [0] (~Aldem@unaffiliated/aldem) 21.01.09 Join nosa-j [0] (~m00k@cpe-24-74-14-251.carolina.res.rr.com) 21.20.31 Join ZincAlloy1 [0] (~Adium@p5B2FC805.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.20.32 Quit ZincAlloy (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21.39.32 Join elgis_ [0] (~none@host-109-204-146-50.tp-fne.tampereenpuhelin.net) 21.39.32 Quit elgis_ (Client Quit) 21.40.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.45.39 Quit krnlyng (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 21.58.18 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@77.116.126.168.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 22.25.08 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 22.33.26 Join FSanches [0] (~felipe@201.67.55.0) 22.39.39 Quit Smx- (Excess Flood) 22.40.59 Join Smx [0] (Elite8556@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xxcwckeztxlfkoxw) 22.56.09 # <[Saint]> autofsckk: Have you not explored the emCORE main menu before or so? 22.56.37 # <[Saint]> emCORE Main Menu - Tools - Format data partition (or so) 22.56.52 # [Saint] -> yes i have, but i configured it so it goes directly to rockbox, so now i cant see the tools menu 22.57.12 # <[Saint]> Sure you can, hold any key during boot. 22.58.40 # thanks [Saint] ill check that later, by now fsck'ing it fixed the problem, im making now some tests with rsync 22.59.04 # <[Saint]> I sincerely doubt fsck fixed the issue. 22.59.13 # <[Saint]> Fixed the immediate, observable issue, sure. 22.59.30 # <[Saint]> I _sincerely_ doubt your files are byte-for-byte intact. 23.00.21 # ok, so its best if i just reformat it right? 23.00.40 # <[Saint]> Assuming you have all this media backed up elsewhere, yes. Absolutely. 23.04.54 # ok im reformatting again, [Saint] do you have experience on rsync to exclude some folders? i cant make it work :/ 23.06.21 # <[Saint]> --exclude 'relative/path/to/thing/to/exlude' 23.08.41 # im trying to use --exclude-from and i did a file at ~/.excluipod and there i put the complete path to the file, i tried --exclude-from=/home/user/.excluipod from home also tried --exclude-from= '.excluipod' and also --exclude-from '/home/ttnk/.excluipod' with no luck 23.14.31 # <[Saint]> from recollection the --exclude-from file source can only contain filenames, not paths or relatives. 23.15.02 # <[Saint]> but it may be too early in the morning, I may not have enough coffee on board, and this may indeed not be #genericrsyncadvice. 23.15.52 # <[Saint]> actually from memory I'm not entirely convinced that --exclude can even contain relatives. 23.16.08 Quit elgis (Quit: Lost terminal) 23.16.10 # ok thanks, the thing is i have a long list of folders to exclude or in defect, include, so i dont know what is best for me to update my ipod :( 23.17.12 # <[Saint]> I am fairly confident that the --exclude-from file source _only_ accepts filenames. 23.17.15 # exclude alone can be folders, i read about exclude-from at the man page but i dont remember reading about being usefull only with files, ill read it again 23.18.04 # --exclude-from=FILE read exclude patterns from FILE that is what the man says 23.18.15 # and it is right, only files :/ 23.19.11 # <[Saint]> Oh, it does accept relatives. No leading /. Good to know. 23.20.22 # <[Saint]> I guess I am somewhat rare in this regard because I just have a script to shit out N-1GB of random full media albums to my device directory. 23.20.42 # <[Saint]> I don't have specific requirements, my media gets updated with a random selection every time it touches a given host. 23.23.15 # well i just dont want all the collection going to the ipod, i would like to exclude a lot of folders, and just update when i get new ones 23.23.56 # im not so good with rsync :'( jjajajaja 23.26.30 # im installing rockbox and themes now :D almost ready 23.29.10 # [Saint] -> i have a question regarding the battery, sometimes i have like 20% and it increments to maybe 40% like 10 minutes later, i have the 160G Classic ipod, for what i read it has a bigger battery and some changes have to be made with that, but i also read that it just readjust the calculation of remaining charge, and that it doesnt affect in any way the way the charge works, should i move the conf 23.29.16 # ig to that specific battery or ... 23.29.19 # ... should i just let that alone? 23.29.41 # <[Saint]> Battery percentile is voltage driven. 23.30.11 # <[Saint]> Smaller, larger, de nada. It has no observable effect on the percentile displayed to the user. 23.30.45 # <[Saint]> The mAh rating is only used to calculate the estimated runtime, which the user will never see, and is incorrect anyway. 23.31.17 # <[Saint]> The jump in battery percentile displayed to you is more likely indicative of bad battery chemistry from an old and almost certainly failing battery. 23.31.31 # <[Saint]> (In other words: Replace it) 23.31.54 # it is old an failing indeed 23.31.58 # <[Saint]> It has had a very good service life by now, and deserves to be put to rest. 23.32.22 # <[Saint]> Sleep well, gentle battery...you served us well. 23.32.46 # also the hdd used to have some bad blocks that where fixed with an excellent app that you told me about 23.33.01 # jajajaja i know :/ but i have no money now 23.34.14 # <[Saint]> Unfortunately I have no such quick fixes for the battery. 23.35.16 # <[Saint]> The likely end to this is it will do one of three things: 23.35.16 # <[Saint]> 1 - expand and shatter your mainboard and/or LCD assembly. 23.35.16 # <[Saint]> 2 - leak and piss caustic fluid all over the inside of the device eventually rendering it useless 23.35.16 DBUG Enqueued KICK [Saint] 23.35.16 # <[Saint]> 3 - Silently fail 23.36.29 # <[Saint]> All consumer Li* cells will do one of those three things eventually if pushed past their useful service life. 23.36.38 # :( 23.37.47 # i still get like maybe 12 hours of use, but not if i have to use the display to change songs or something like that, there has to be a big playlist going 23.38.21 # <[Saint]> I don't know why, and it seems to be the 850mAh cells in particular, but these batteries seem to have a very high internal pressure before the rupture protection kick in and they vent. 23.38.44 # <[Saint]> Basically meaning they can inflate and destroy the device before the gain enough pressure to trigger venting. 23.39.25 # <[Saint]> ...but it's not like venting is a good thing either, you really don't want that to happen even if it happened in the 'right' way. 23.39.39 # ups, so basically i have to change it like yesterday or maybe stop using it until i get money to buy a new one? 23.40.04 # <[Saint]> spraying foamy battery steam goo around inside the inside of the device isn't really any better than it inflating and pushing the LCD assembly out. 23.40.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.40.56 # <[Saint]> from the sounds of things it isn't too bad, but it is definitely on the wrong side of failing with that kind of runtime and massive jups in voltage like that. 23.41.50 # <[Saint]> replacing it would definitely be something I would be considering for the near future. Even with its age if it wasn't displaying any symptoms at all I would still consider replacing it. 23.42.14 # i really dont use it that much, i mean, i know that the battery is dying so i just use it a little at night before i sleep maybe, not being used too much 23.43.18 # <[Saint]> New batteries are around $10~$15USD shipped, for what it's worth. 23.43.44 # if i replace it with a smaller battery would it be right? the place where i can get it im sure they dont have the 850mAh as you said, i have read about the size too, but they offered to replace it but im almost sure they will put the smaller one 23.45.12 # yes i know, i have asked about the price here on my city, and its around what you told me, but as i told you i dont think they ill put the 850mAh, si thats why im not sure to get that done 23.45.25 # <[Saint]> No. Though you could invent something. 23.45.42 # <[Saint]> These batteries use a kind of annoying semi-proprietary cable system. 23.46.17 # <[Saint]> so not just 'any old cell' of the same output and size will do without some modification. 23.46.41 # <[Saint]> the earlier ipods were more forgiving in this regard. 23.46.57 # the battery im talking about is for ipod, but im not sure is for maybe older or smaller consumption ipod 23.47.17 # are there smaller than 850mAh batteries for ipods? 23.47.55 # ah ok, so that cable system is just for that classic ipod? 23.47.59 # <[Saint]> Yes, but, they're the same price - so you'd not want to do this for any sane reason. 23.48.21 # <[Saint]> 200mAh is several hours optimal runtime. 23.48.36 # i wouldnt do it but im from mexico city, and some people are not so trustfull here 23.48.51 # <[Saint]> (there are "thick" and "thin" iPod Classic variants - one with 600mAh cell, the other with an 850mAh cell) 23.49.07 # <[Saint]> https://www.ifixit.com/iPod-Parts/iPod-Classic-Thick-Replacement-Battery/IF130-021-1 23.49.12 # <[Saint]> https://www.ifixit.com/iPod-Parts/iPod-Classic-Thin-Replacement-Battery/IF130-019-2 23.49.31 # <[Saint]> thick, and thin, respectively. 23.50.06 # <[Saint]> In those images you can also see the flatcable/ZIF arrangement used. 23.50.59 # so there is a 300mAh difference right? 23.51.06 # yes i see, there are little differences 23.51.42 # what happens if they put the 580 mAh instead? would it work right and just have less time of working time? 23.51.53 # <[Saint]> 250. But really 200, because for some reason those 600mAh cells are downrated 650mAh cells. 23.52.37 # or would it kill my ipod if the wrong battery is installed? 23.52.43 # <[Saint]> also, yes. if the cell is in the same operating output range the mAh rating is largely irrelevant except for total runtime. 23.52.56 # <[Saint]> more mAh == longer runtime 23.53.42 # sorry if i ask too much, i dont know much about electronics 23.54.21 # <[Saint]> From memory the board does offer some overvoltage protection - but, I wouldn;t like to test it to see how resilient it is. 23.54.35 # <[Saint]> In other words, stick with a 3.7V cell. 23.54.36 # from the urls you gave me its just $1 difference 23.55.49 # <[Saint]> I should note that replacing the battery safely in these devices can be very difficult for some people. 23.56.05 # <[Saint]> Myself, personally, I don't find it to be very difficult to open this device. 23.56.37 # <[Saint]> I know now of several people who have completely fucked it up and butchered the device, so, your mileage may vary. 23.56.39 # i already have those plastic tools to open ipod-stuff 23.56.50 # never used them before, but i already have 2 of them 23.57.08 # <[Saint]> If you have never opened and iPod Classic before, you will find it is very different to the other iPods. 23.57.45 # <[Saint]> These ones use a subframe assembly and have ribbon cables crossing annoying boundaries. 23.58.00 # <[Saint]> If you were to follow the ifixit guides on this, you should be fine. 23.58.19 # i saw a tutorial on youtube months ago 23.58.43 # and i saw that it wasnt easy at all