--- Log for 15.01.116 Server: sendak.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 7 days and 3 hours ago 00.04.24 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.05.54 # got it 00.06.01 # doing the development version 00.10.42 # shit could not open 00.10.44 # permission denied 00.13.14 # shit 00.14.02 Quit ender` (Quit: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take Hofstadter's Law into account. -- Hofstadter's Law) 00.18.01 Quit thum (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00.37.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.44.20 Quit ungali (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 00.44.47 Join ungali [0] (ungali@unaffiliated/ungali) 00.53.48 Join chrisb [0] (~chrisb@pool-71-175-253-19.phlapa.east.verizon.net) 00.56.35 Quit Link8 (Remote host closed the connection) 01.08.01 Join FSanches [0] (~felipe@2804:14c:37:268b:7520:c2c7:3264:93d1) 01.36.08 Join Guest24641 [0] (58f2094d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.242.9.77) 01.40.03 Quit girafe (Quit: Leaving) 01.54.11 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 02.05.07 Quit shamus (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 02.05.29 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-194-12.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 02.15.28 Quit Guest24641 (Quit: Page closed) 02.37.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.15.33 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 03.21.38 Quit krabador (Quit: Take The Time) 03.25.52 Join ZincAlloy1 [0] (~Adium@87.185.70.221) 03.28.33 Quit ZincAlloy (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 03.38.13 Quit sparetire (Quit: sparetire) 04.01.24 Quit ZincAlloy1 (Quit: Leaving.) 04.07.52 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 04.21.23 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@89.141.48.137.dyn.user.ono.com) 04.37.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.17.04 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05.18.10 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 05.34.35 Quit JanC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05.48.45 Join JanC [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 06.37.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.47.39 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@124.127.144.203) 06.48.14 Quit bluebrother (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 06.50.34 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 07.19.55 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-86-49-15-121.net.upcbroadband.cz) 07.21.13 Quit chrisb (Remote host closed the connection) 07.44.24 Quit pixelma (Remote host closed the connection) 07.44.25 Quit amiconn (Remote host closed the connection) 07.45.05 Join pixelma [0] (~pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 07.45.07 Join amiconn [0] (~amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 08.17.55 Quit ungali (Quit: ungali) 08.18.43 Join ungali [0] (ungali@unaffiliated/ungali) 08.28.20 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.34.05 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08.37.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.16.31 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.33.55 Join thum [0] (~thum@79.132.236.228) 10.37.45 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 10.48.58 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 10.50.11 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@124.127.144.203) 11.02.32 Join PurlingNayuki1 [0] (~Thunderbi@124.127.67.58) 11.03.46 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 11.03.47 Nick PurlingNayuki1 is now known as PurlingNayuki (~Thunderbi@124.127.67.58) 11.05.26 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@pix9.lf1.cuni.cz) 11.07.46 Join edhelas [0] (~edhelas@535592E7.cm-6-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 11.07.56 # hello everyone o/ 11.17.56 Quit ungali (Remote host closed the connection) 11.18.38 Join ungali [0] (ungali@162-202-67-158.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) 11.18.38 Quit ungali (Changing host) 11.18.38 Join ungali [0] (ungali@unaffiliated/ungali) 11.26.27 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 11.47.47 Join ender [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 11.47.50 Quit ender` (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 12.13.05 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 12.35.11 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 12.37.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.51.45 Quit dfkt_ (Quit: SIC GORGIAMVS ALLOS SVBJECTATOS NVNC.) 12.52.07 Join dfkt [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 12.54.16 Quit Moarc (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 12.56.06 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 13.01.41 Quit PurlingNayuki (Quit: PurlingNayuki) 13.07.35 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@p57B946DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.18.08 Join sparetire [0] (~sparetire@unaffiliated/sparetire) 13.19.44 # <[Saint]> TheSeven: do you know anything about this perhaps? 13.19.44 # <[Saint]> TheSeven - I can get a reliable panic relating to reading the BBT when attampting to ROLO builds on ipod6g 14.16.00 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 14.31.16 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@124.127.67.58) 14.37.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.43.06 Quit krabador (Quit: Take The Time) 14.43.35 Quit ungali (Quit: ungali) 14.44.06 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 15.03.48 # [Saint]: with what kind of storage device? HDD/SSD/CF/SD? 15.05.40 # I guess that ROLO is a case where we have a very brief power down time of the HDD, shorter than anywhere else 15.06.20 # so I guess something in rockbox's HDD shutdown code leaves things in a bad state 15.06.59 # it might be the very brief powerdown that confuses the drive, or it might be short enough to not actually reset the drive after it gets a sleep command, or something like that 15.07.32 # might be worth a try to check if adding a delay right before jumping into the new firmware helps 15.10.34 # I know that on gigabeat F we used to have a bug where after USB disconnect (remember, USB is a hardware ATA-USB bridge!) we tried accessing the HDD too fast on some devices 15.11.47 # (bf34cdf) 15.12.30 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 15.25.32 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 15.31.43 Quit wodz (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 15.42.24 Quit petur (Quit: *plop*) 16.07.29 Quit bertrik (Remote host closed the connection) 16.07.31 Quit dfkt (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 16.22.31 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 16.32.34 Quit megal0maniac (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16.32.46 Join megal0maniac [0] (~megal0man@unaffiliated/megal0maniac) 16.34.01 Quit Makinit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 16.34.16 Join Makinit [0] (makinit@makinit.nl) 16.37.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.47.59 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 16.59.58 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 17.03.41 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-150-145.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) 17.03.41 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 17.03.41 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 17.04.36 Join dfkt [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 17.06.59 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.09.01 Join girafe [0] (~girafe@AGrenoble-651-1-511-220.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.14.14 Quit JanC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17.28.26 Join JanC [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 17.48.59 Quit ps-auxw (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.56.15 Quit edhelas (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 17.57.38 Join ps-auxw [0] (~arneb@p50877B1D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.25.40 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 18.28.58 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 18.37.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.53.17 Quit FSanches (Quit: Leaving.) 19.09.12 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 19.16.11 Join edhelas [0] (~edhelas@149-210-220-39.colo.transip.net) 19.17.23 # hi everyone :) I just bought a iPod 3gr and a couple of accessories for it, Rockbox is running fine on it and I'd like to know if anyone here already played with the iPod connector that is just next to the jack one 19.22.27 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.28.14 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-179-187.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 20.05.46 Join p3tur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.15.27 # <[Saint]> TheSeven: the stock HDD in this case, can't get it to do it on SSD/CF - so you might be onto something. 20.15.55 # <[Saint]> I'll see if I can slow it down a tad and give it time for the disk to come up. 20.34.55 # [Saint]: by the way, replying to something you said a while ago, I don't think there's a problem with requiring one fairly new android toolchain, as long as you make sure you document which one in the usual places (probably mostly the error message if it's wrong, and maybe the build client wiki page) and you notify the build client ML 20.38.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.39.14 # Oh, and you're going to annoy people if you change it *too* often 20.40.26 # <[Saint]> we changed to 19 for the main android builds yonks ago. 20.40.36 # <[Saint]> this is just bringing everything /else/ up to 19. 20.40.55 # Ah, to 19? That's *old*! :) 20.54.15 # still easy to obtain, though :) 20.57.13 # <[Saint]> I don't technically have to use the android platform-tools 19.* version, I can target whatever version greater than 19.*, and I guess that would make it easier in the long run. 20.57.51 # <[Saint]> as long as they don't make any more drastic changes in the layout of the expected tools, but they haven't done that with anything we use since 19's platform-tools. 20.57.55 # <[Saint]> so I think we're good. 20.58.53 # <[Saint]> we can easily target platform 19, but use whatever the current supported platform's (25 now?) platform-tools version is. 21.01.43 # * gevaerts nods 21.05.04 # that reminds me... my build machine had a hdd crash recently 21.05.19 # I think everything should be up and running again, but if not, please let me know 21.07.11 Join saratoga [0] (123e11e0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.62.17.224) 21.07.23 # well that was a discouraging reply on the mailing list... lol 21.07.31 # how long is dangerously long to have IRQs disabled on a device like AMS? 21.12.23 # vlcn: the sad truth is that the number of active committers is not very far from negative these days. That means patch review is probably close to non-existent 21.13.08 # I don't think there's more to it than that 21.14.37 # I guess, just disappointing. 21.15.01 # I don't feel like I'm alone in *not* wanting to use my phone to listen to music. 21.15.24 # didn't we merge all the DX tasks anyway? not even sure what that guy is talking about 21.15.25 # if that wasn't the case then people wouldn't be buying $200+ stand alone DAPs these days. 21.15.35 # * vlcn shrugs 21.15.39 # I really have no idea. 21.18.30 # I just want to be able to listen to music on a device that can hold most of my music, sounds really good and still be able to scrobble all my listens to Last.fm. 21.19.02 # i think these days thats a smartphone 21.19.28 # the main thing that dedicated mp3 players seem to be better at is just being small/cheap like a clip IMO 21.19.38 # maybe, but I'm not really happy with the output from any smartphone I've had recently and sd card slots are no longer a thing, either with most phones. 21.20.08 # SD cards are pretty easy to get on a smartphone, and most smartphones these days have better audio quality than mp3 players 21.20.17 # saratoga: http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/#/q/status:open+dx90 shows a few patches 21.20.41 # saratoga, there really are very very few top tier phones than had a micro sd card slot anymore. 21.20.44 # the baseline qualcomm part is better than most of the junk you see in a lot of those weird brick mp3 players people come here asking about 21.21.13 # And I've been very disappointed with how my last few phones have sounded, in general. 21.21.16 Quit krabador (Quit: Take The Time) 21.21.25 # worse than my Clip, easily. 21.21.50 # Udo actually has commit access, so he can put those in when he thinks there ready 21.22.08 # * gevaerts nods 21.22.20 # i think its tough to find a phone worse than a clip these days 21.22.36 # nothing with qualcomm, samsung chipsets 21.23.04 # maybe rockchip or mediatek (never tried one) 21.23.39 # clip was good for its time because it was one of the first devices with a modern SOC-integrated dac 21.23.41 # My current phone is a Nexus 6, before that I had a Galaxy S6. Very disapointed with both of them as far as the headphone output goes. 21.23.42 # now everything has that 21.23.56 # both are actually better than the clip though 21.24.03 # My LG G3 wasn't bad, though. 21.24.26 Quit [Saint] (Remote host closed the connection) 21.24.50 # but really, it's more than that. I want a dedicated music device so I can focus on actually listening to music. It forces me to be more thoughtful about what I am listening to when I don't have all the worlds music three taps away. 21.25.00 # I know that sounds counterintuitive, but it makes sense to me in a way. 21.25.04 # FWIW G3 and Nexus 6 are both qualcomm, so they're basically identical 21.25.23 # if they sound different its probably not the hardware you're hearing 21.25.31 # I mean maybe as a line out, but in practice that's not my experience. 21.27.33 # http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_nexus_6-review-1164p7.php 21.27.45 # Nexus 6 is the same as essentially everything else out there, headphones included 21.28.10 # I really don't think you can fully quantify how something sounds in a test like that 21.28.24 # thats ridiculous 21.28.36 # you check the output and see if its correct 21.28.53 # if its correct, thats pretty much the end of the story 21.29.22 # whats actually almost impossible is to listen to two devices and decide if they're the same, particularly devices like phones that are tough to time and volume match 21.29.45 # * vlcn shrugs 21.29.49 # not here to argue about it 21.30.18 # i'm not here to argue, i'm just telling you how audio players work 21.30.43 # I don't think what I'm saying is crazy. A set of 6 numbers just can't fully describe what a source sounds like anymore than a frequency response graph can tell me what a pair of headphones (or even less so, a speaker) is going to sound like. 21.31.07 # its not crazy, just wrong 21.31.35 # you can directly characterize the output of a digital device from its transfer function and its linearity 21.31.38 # this is simple DSP 21.51.35 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p4FC10EA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.54.09 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@ppp118-209-107-26.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) 21.54.09 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 21.54.09 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 21.55.59 Join [Saint] [0] (~hayden@rockbox/staff/saint) 21.56.57 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 22.13.28 Quit saratoga (*.net *.split) 22.31.26 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-86-49-15-121.net.upcbroadband.cz) 22.33.49 Quit einhirn (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22.34.14 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 22.36.34 Join elgis [0] (~none@unaffiliated/elgis) 22.38.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.50.28 Quit __builtin (Quit: ?f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n sftwr tstng.? ? 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 23.03.45 # hi back 23.16.11 # I found some implementation in the iPodLinux sourcecode for the iPod Remote https://github.com/iPodLinux/iPodLinux-SVN/blob/000419cf0b4c280383e19e993982649e14663378/linux/2.4/arch/armnommu/mach-ipod/ipodremote.c 23.16.26 # I'll try to see if there's some chance to port it to Rockbox 23.17.30 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 23.27.05 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 23.28.50 # edhelas: ipod remotes should work just fine 23.30.24 # Although you may have to set the accessory power setting to on 23.30.47 # gevaerts, well the "Radio Remote" should works fine but mine is using the little connector on top, just next to the jack 23.31.08 # I'll double check 23.32.19 # no it's not the case with this remote 23.32.29 # With the accessory power supply set to on? 23.32.55 # yes 23.33.19 # I'm talking about this device http://www.theyshoulddothat.com/images/ipod_remote.jpg :) 23.35.23 Quit elgis (Remote host closed the connection) 23.35.37 # All I know about ipod remotes is what's on the wiki, really. I've never had one myself 23.36.28 # yes I'll try to complete the wiki and see if I can do something to make this device supported 23.37.10 # (I'm not a C developer, I'm mostly doing PHP for now) 23.37.24 # <[Saint]> I'm fairly confident it used to work. 23.38.02 # <[Saint]> it's entirely passive afaik, I don't believe accessory power supply governs the top remote port. 23.39.03 # I've tried on a Mini 2G a 3rd and 4rd 23.41.48 # <[Saint]> well, if it's broken on one of the ipods that have this, there's a very high chance it's broken on all of them - so that wouldn;t surprise me at all. 23.42.05 # <[Saint]> it would be more surprising if it worked on one but not any of the others. 23.42.13 # yup :) 23.42.45 # but for now I didn't found any related code in the rockbox trunk, I'll try to have a second look 23.51.56 # it's hard to find something in this huge history of more than a decade :) 23.51.58 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 23.53.13 Quit krnlyng (Quit: huiiiiii) 23.53.34 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@178.114.10.248.wireless.dyn.drei.com)