--- Log for 16.04.116 Server: verne.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 13 days ago 00.06.55 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 00.15.53 Quit Mihail (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 00.21.53 Quit dfkt (Disconnected by services) 00.22.01 Join dfkt_ [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 00.24.15 Quit GeekShadow (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 00.24.28 Join GeekShadow [0] (~antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow) 00.44.29 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.2/20160407164938]) 00.44.46 Join smoke_fumus [0] (~smoke_fum@188.35.176.90) 01.04.41 Quit girafe (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.28.10 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@v163-44-154-238.a00f.g.sin1.static.cnode.io) 01.46.50 Quit bertrik_ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 01.50.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.04.16 Quit TheSeven (Disconnected by services) 02.04.26 Join [7] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 02.05.41 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 02.09.00 Quit ZincAlloy1 (Quit: Leaving.) 02.24.40 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 02.28.26 Quit bluebrother^ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 02.30.40 Join Neffi_ [0] (~Neffi@nymeria.neffi.net) 02.32.16 Quit Neffi_ (Client Quit) 02.46.40 Quit FSanches (Quit: Leaving.) 02.51.49 Join FSanches [0] (~felipe@177.32.161.130) 02.51.50 Quit x56 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 03.05.29 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 03.10.05 Join Strife89 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-184-109.mcn.bellsouth.net) 03.18.42 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 03.50.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.24.54 Join dfkt [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 04.27.27 Quit krabador (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 04.27.28 Quit dfkt_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 04.40.10 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 04.54.56 Join x56 [0] (0x56@unaffiliated/x56) 05.46.16 Quit krabador (Quit: Take The Time) 05.50.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.51.55 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 06.00.33 Join bp0 [0] (~bp@unaffiliated/bp0) 06.24.13 # does rockbox read and use the replaygain tags in m4a/aac files tagged by foobar2000s replaygain scanner? 06.25.44 # <[Saint]> Only ID3/Vorbis tags. 06.26.29 # I see 06.28.45 # <[Saint]> Though the latter isn't a given, by my understanding, as AFAIK there's no real standard for Vorbis tags. 06.32.27 Quit krabador (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06.33.08 # flac has been writing replaygain tags for a long time, and I thought vorbis just used the same tags 06.33.58 # the tags that foobar2000 writes to mp4 are also the same name and format as those written by flac 06.34.38 # they can be read by deadbeef in linux, but I don't find much else that uses them 06.34.43 # was hoping rockbox did 06.34.48 # <[Saint]> well, as it stands, as the manual states, only ID3 or Vorbia replaygain tags are expected to function. 06.35.02 # <[Saint]> What any other project may or may not do is of little consequence I'm afraid. 06.35.58 # ok 07.20.13 Quit FSanches (Quit: Leaving.) 07.50.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.11.28 Quit pixelma (Remote host closed the connection) 08.11.28 Quit amiconn (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08.12.17 Join pixelma [0] (~pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 08.12.18 Join amiconn [0] (~amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 08.32.53 Join shai [0] (~Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) 08.32.59 Quit JanC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 08.46.39 Join JanC [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 08.52.59 Quit shai (Quit: Leaving) 09.23.35 Join bertrik [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) 09.50.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.48.16 # [Saint], it appears that replaygain is already supported in rockbox for mp4 :) 10.48.26 # just from looking at the code 10.49.02 # https://github.com/Rockbox/rockbox/blob/master/lib/rbcodec/metadata/mp4.c 10.49.29 # #L563 10.59.17 Join Amitari [0] (~Amitari@h240n5-ksd-a14.ias.bredband.telia.com) 11.06.28 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@89-93-179-187.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr) 11.34.28 Quit advcomp2019_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11.34.52 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 11.36.18 Quit Mir (Excess Flood) 11.37.06 Join Mir [0] (~Mir@173.58.180.149) 11.50.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.56.13 Nick suYin`OFF is now known as suYin (mysuyin@server2.shellfire.net) 12.18.59 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 12.22.32 Join Thomas_ [0] (5140679e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.64.103.158) 12.22.55 Nick Thomas_ is now known as Guest17018 (5140679e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.64.103.158) 12.23.17 Quit Guest17018 (Client Quit) 12.27.28 Quit djukon (Quit: leaving) 13.16.41 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@p57B94243.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.17.49 Quit Mir (Excess Flood) 13.18.31 Join Mir [0] (~Mir@173.58.180.149) 13.29.45 Join advcomp2019__ [0] (~advcomp20@65-131-155-220.sxct.qwest.net) 13.29.45 Quit advcomp2019__ (Changing host) 13.29.45 Join advcomp2019__ [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 13.32.15 Quit advcomp2019_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 13.36.27 Quit Amitari (Quit: Leaving) 13.50.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.01.30 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 14.05.06 Join FSanches [0] (~felipe@177.32.161.130) 14.21.04 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p4FC1069E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.45.55 Join djukon [0] (transitor@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-kedxfvchchgpomes) 14.54.50 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-86-49-15-121.net.upcbroadband.cz) 15.03.05 Join einhirn_ [0] (~Miranda@vpn1227.vpn.tu-clausthal.de) 15.05.08 Quit einhirn (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 15.05.20 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@vpn1227.vpn.tu-clausthal.de) 15.07.59 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 15.08.17 Quit einhirn_ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 15.20.38 Quit einhirn (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 15.30.22 Quit krnlyng (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 15.34.31 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@83.175.90.24) 15.35.39 Quit krnlyng (Client Quit) 15.39.07 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p4FC1069E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.49.01 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@77.117.104.14.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 15.50.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.15.31 # hum, this is weird, I tried to install rockbox on my new Fuze+ and for some reason it took three bootloader installs to finally make it work... There are still unsovled mysteries... 16.16.09 Join einhirn_ [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 16.17.28 Quit einhirn (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 16.31.26 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 16.32.39 Join Strife89 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-184-109.mcn.bellsouth.net) 16.35.21 Nick suYin is now known as suYin`OFF (mysuyin@server2.shellfire.net) 16.45.30 Join Mihail [0] (25d4b091@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.212.176.145) 16.46.24 # pamaury: It freeze with botloader from 3.13? 16.46.40 # I don't understand your sentence :) 16.47.32 # I just tried the RBUtil install, since I usually do it from commandline, and the first two twice, the Fuze+ went into upgrade mode but Rockbox wasn't installed, the third time it finally worked. Weird 16.50.32 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 16.51.58 Join Strife89 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-184-109.mcn.bellsouth.net) 16.52.01 Quit FSanches (Quit: Leaving.) 16.52.20 # Mihail: ^ 16.52.34 # I never use RBUtil, so I just not understand which problem you have :) 16.54.10 # I mean RBUtil install. 16.56.29 # Yeah I don't use it either but I want to add support for Sony NWZ E370/380 so I did a little test with the Fuze+ 16.56.56 # anyway, the upgrade process of those players has always been flaky, the OF does weird things 17.09.49 # RBUtil should patch OF and write it to player? 17.10.57 Quit krnlyng (Quit: krnlyng) 17.11.15 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@77.117.104.14.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 17.13.12 # Mihail: yes that's what it does 17.14.11 # but some people have reported failure to upgrade even when no using rbutil 17.14.41 # So whats wrong? It don't write it to player or write but unpatched? 17.15.36 Quit krnlyng (Client Quit) 17.15.53 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@77.117.104.14.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 17.17.20 # I think neither, OF rejects updates for some reason 17.17.44 # you can put the exact same upgrade file twice on the player and sometimes it will upgrade, sometimes not 17.18.00 # I still haven't found what is the magic explanation 17.19.30 # After rebooting player, player ignore firmware file? 17.19.44 # either ignore it, or begins upgrade but does not actually upgrade 17.20.11 # I suspect the OF has some flags in OTP to remember things over boots 17.21.09 # What is OTP? 17.21.19 # non volatile memory 17.21.35 # the SoC has a few words that it can remember over boots 17.22.37 # yes, 128 bit. 17.24.45 # some of them are used to remember the time setting for example, but I know for the fact the OF uses others for other things 17.28.38 # clip zip also create some strange files after firmware upgrade. 17.29.43 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@v163-44-154-238.a00f.g.sin1.static.cnode.io) 17.32.31 # OF should have good reason to reject firmware update. 17.34.26 # the only check I know is downgrade 17.37.34 # Maybe it try prevent upgrade if it too often? 17.38.02 # perhaps, or maybe you need to reboot to the OF between updates 17.49.01 Quit maraz (Remote host closed the connection) 17.50.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.29.47 Quit kvieta (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 18.36.46 Join PurlingNayuki1 [0] (~Thunderbi@v163-44-154-238.a00f.g.sin1.static.cnode.io) 18.37.40 Join kvieta [0] (~kvieta@87.117.231.25) 18.38.13 Quit PurlingNayuki (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 18.38.14 Nick PurlingNayuki1 is now known as PurlingNayuki (~Thunderbi@v163-44-154-238.a00f.g.sin1.static.cnode.io) 18.50.31 # I am getting very frequent buflib crc error when rockbox switches to USB mode, did anyone got those recently ? Or is something fishy with the E380 ? 18.54.39 Join maraz [0] (maraz@kapsi.fi) 18.57.10 # It's also constently reproducible, that's bad 19.06.38 # or maybe it's a compiler different ? since I use an unsupported one 19.11.14 Quit maraz (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 19.14.29 # f*** the arm toolchain built by rockboxdev.sh doesn't build anymore :'( 19.14.58 Join maraz [0] (maraz@kapsi.fi) 19.19.08 Join benedikt93 [0] (~benedikt@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 19.23.51 # can someone else try it on his machine ? gevaerts ? Mihail ? 19.24.49 # try rockboxdev.sh? 19.26.43 # yes, try to build the arm toolchain 19.29.11 # only for arm? 19.29.41 # yes 19.29.49 # (that's the one failing for me) 19.31.11 # ok, I try 19.31.31 Quit maraz (Remote host closed the connection) 19.32.22 # Apparently it is a known issue: gcc/toplev.h defines floor_log2 if GCC_VERSION >= 3004, but then gcc/toplev.c redefines if GCC_VERSION < 3004 || !defined (__cplusplus), and since we are not building with a c++ compiler, it gets defined twice... 19.33.03 # https://github.com/gccxml/gccxml/issues/11 19.39.31 # ah I understand, newer versions of gcc (>=5.1) default to gnuc11 which forbids redefinition and my system uses a version recent gcc 19.39.44 Join maraz [0] (maraz@kapsi.fi) 19.40.11 # Same here 19.42.05 # so we need to add this patch: https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2009-06/msg01249.html to the list of patches I guess 19.50.27 # Why we can have problem with latest gcc for building rockbox? Rockbox code use some undefined behaviors or gcc have regressions? 19.50.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.51.57 # both I guess, miscompilation are not uncommon unfortunately, for example we still can't compile rockbox with clang, it crashes on device, we suspect a miscompilation 19.54.11 # in the past we also had problem with compilers being too smart at optimizations 19.54.36 # gcc is quite aggressive in removing code that relies on undefined behavior 19.56.36 # gevaerts: this patch fixes it for me: http://pastebin.com/PQthwFak 19.56.53 # I will ask the swedes to upload to it so I can add it to rockboxdev.sh 19.58.10 # Maybe we should try pass code through some static code analyzer and try fix all UB? 19.59.48 # we did, some people regularly do, but 1) it has a lot of false positive 2) it probably misses some errors 20.00.15 # tracking down miscompilation is very hard :( 20.00.35 # but feel free to try your favorite static analyzer on rockbox :) 20.05.50 # Before I always use gcc-4.9.x, now gcc-5.3. And both work for me :) But was one case when I try do build for clipv1 and user report about freeze on start. 20.10.03 Quit smoke_fumus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.18.48 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 20.18.49 Quit einhirn_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.18.56 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p4FC1069E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 20.27.14 Join einhirn_ [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 20.28.35 Quit einhirn (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 20.35.16 # anyone around with a fuze+ and willing to test something on it ? It mostly requires leaving the player alone for a few hours 20.39.44 # pamaury: if you didn't find anyone I'll have time for it tomorrow 21.07.35 Quit krnlyng (Quit: krnlyng) 21.12.56 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@178.112.208.204.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 21.14.48 Join girafe [0] (~girafe@2a01:cb15:8294:4400:7493:d3d0:5a7e:c055) 21.37.06 Quit Mihail (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 21.50.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.58.41 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (~advcomp20@65-131-155-220.sxct.qwest.net) 21.58.41 Quit advcomp2019_ (Changing host) 21.58.41 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 22.01.28 Join ep0ch [0] (50e59c31@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.229.156.49) 22.02.12 Quit advcomp2019__ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22.02.36 # Mihail: yesterday you said "and we still can improve it for 15-30% ;)" re AMSv2, were you being serious? :) 22.07.02 Quit benedikt93 (Quit: Leaving) 22.13.08 Join krnlyng_ [0] (~liar@83.175.90.24) 22.17.05 Quit krnlyng (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 22.27.19 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 22.33.43 Join Mihail [0] (25d4ac11@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.37.212.172.17) 22.36.35 # ep0ch: Yes. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,51184.0.html Also I have some more idea which I want check. 22.50.25 # thanks 23.15.14 Quit ep0ch (Quit: Page closed) 23.18.15 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23.32.02 Quit einhirn_ (Quit: Miranda IM! 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