--- Log for 08.07.116 Server: verne.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 20 days and 0 hours ago 00.00.44 # * __builtin revisits the idea of having a software openpgp card in rockbox 00.02.11 # * [Saint] is on another one of his hairbrained schemes again that he may or may not ever finish 00.03.23 # <[Saint]> I've been building an OpenEmbedded image for Raspberry Pi with juuuuuuuuuuuust enough OS to provide the bones for the SDL application to run in. 00.03.56 # * __builtin wonders where this could possibly be going 00.04.22 Quit ender` (Quit: You this read wrong.) 00.04.49 # <[Saint]> I was basically thinking of the functional equivalent of OpenELEC/LibreELEC, but for Rockbox. 00.05.26 # <[Saint]> dd what is currently only ~100MB of archive to an sdcard, pop it in a raspberrypi, and have it boot directly to the Rockbox SDL app. 00.06.08 # <[Saint]> I'm getting sidetracked currently by trying to plug it in with gmusicapi and a fuse filesystem so that it can access my Google Music account. 00.07.22 # <[Saint]> that ~100MB of .img is very far from being optimized for space presently as well, there's a lot of cruft left to remove. I'm just poking around and seeing what I need at this point. 00.08.14 # <[Saint]> Once I have it doing what I actually want it to do I will work on stripping the environment back to the literal bare essentials required to run and no more. 00.08.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.12.18 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 00.12.40 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@47.89.8.175) 00.18.41 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 00.19.01 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@47.89.8.175) 00.21.10 # * __builtin finds an interesting device called the FST-01: http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/FST-01 00.21.24 # <__builtin> it does exactly what I intend to do, but on custom hardware 00.22.15 # * [Saint] doesn't know what to do about display resolution. 00.22.36 # <[Saint]> I think I might have to get crafty with the raspi framebuffer. 00.23.33 # <__builtin> compile custom a rockbox on the raspi upon every screen size change? ;) 00.23.37 # <[Saint]> I believe with some effort I can just compile the SDL application at a fixed resolution and then scale to fit the framebuffer. 00.25.07 # <[Saint]> I don't believe I'm going to bother making the bajillions of changes required to the Rockbox core in order to use GPU hardware acceleration. 00.25.44 # <[Saint]> I mean, it would be nice to do so eventually but the modern raspberrypi boards are plenty fast enough to do this all in software in realtime. 00.25.52 # <[Saint]> Even for the very silly codecs. 00.28.10 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 00.28.21 # <[Saint]> What I could do in the end, since the Rockbox binary itself is comparatively small in the grand scheme of things, is build three or four binaries targeting common resolutions. 00.28.25 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@47.89.8.175) 00.28.41 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]) 00.28.42 # <[Saint]> So, maybe 240p, 480p, 720p, and 1080p. 00.29.01 # <__builtin> if you have network access, why not download them dynamically? 00.29.25 # <[Saint]> Then with some minor fuckery I could provide a means to switch between binaries and themes and prompt for reboot. 00.30.18 # <[Saint]> I could still provide the option to scale to fit the framebuffer directly as well, for displays with odd resolutions. 00.30.48 # <[Saint]> But it is always nice when scaling to be able to scale from the closest resolution you can support natively. 00.31.42 # <[Saint]> If the theme targeted VGA I wouldn;t expect it to scale well on a UHD/4K/8K display. 00.31.48 # <[Saint]> Or vice versa. 00.32.15 # <[Saint]> And, yes, I could do that but it would be nice to not have to rely on network access to switch resolutions. 00.32.57 # <[Saint]> And shipping binaries and themes for 240/480/720/1080 wouldn't increase the overall size of the system /too/ drastically. 00.34.47 # <__builtin> maybe ship those common ones, but provide an option to download new binaries 00.35.13 # <__builtin> doesn't rasher build those automatically anyways? 00.35.24 # <[Saint]> the idea would be for the first run to provide a setup wizard where the user selected the display resolution, or the closest possible to it, and then the system finishes the installation by copying the correct binary and theme from its respective location to the location it will be executed from. 00.36.19 # <[Saint]> AFAIK no one supplies ready-to-run Rockbox SDL app binaries. 00.37.07 # <[Saint]> But like I say shipping the four common resolutions won't drastically affect the size of the image in the end. 00.37.44 # <[Saint]> Though the themes and fonts might be fairly large. 00.37.58 # <__builtin> disk is cheap though 00.37.59 # <[Saint]> The fonts I can't do anything about but the themes I can be smart about. 00.39.07 # <[Saint]> At the moment the whole thing would fit on a 512MB sdcard with several dozen MB left spare. :) 00.39.35 # <[Saint]> I would like to add SAMBA support as well, but I am unsure how to do this best. 00.39.55 # <[Saint]> Ideally I don't want to touch the Rockbox core too much, or at all. 00.40.38 # <[Saint]> So I would like the initial setup wizard to set up SAMBA shares and the fuse filesystem for gmusicAPI. 00.41.21 # <[Saint]> I guess I would also need cron to schedule updating and syncing the shares and databases. 00.41.59 # <[Saint]> Then, in theory, Rockbox should be able to make use of both in an entirely transparent fashion. 00.42.49 # <[Saint]> I have a similar kind of setup with gmusicAPI and the Rockbox SDL application on a couple of machines here at home and it works surprisingly well. 00.44.15 # <[Saint]> The only pain in the tits is that Rockbox's database isn't dynamic. It is difficult to get it to pick up changes in a fluid fashion when used in this way. 00.44.35 # <[Saint]> But the filebrowser is far more forgiving in this sense. 00.46.39 # __builtin: just send a new patch set to gerrit for the designware "usb_init_connection(): OOM" panic 00.47.16 # <[Saint]> prof_wolfff: hey man, thanks for your work in bringing up the designware driver, by the way. 00.47.21 # <[Saint]> It is really appreciated. 00.47.42 # it seems for me more like a RB issue there is no memory when trying to allocate from libbuf, other targets are using static allocation for USB buffers, don't know if they have the same problem, anyway i added Classic and Noano2G to the list and it seems to work well 00.47.52 # Saint: thanks! 00.48.28 # <[Saint]> Bah. 00.48.45 # <[Saint]> Man this shit revolving around the new filesystem backend code pisses me off. 00.48.54 # <[Saint]> And the code is just a nightmare. 00.49.20 # <[Saint]> I mean, it was an absolute nightmare /before/ the new filesystem backend...but it isn't any better now. 00.49.42 # <[Saint]> And it is far too late to just revert it. 00.50.04 # it seems some related with playlist (or something related) that allocate the whole libbuf and it is not deallocated when usb_inic_connection() is called 00.50.23 # <[Saint]> I really dropped the ball there. 00.51.02 # <[Saint]> Well, kinda. I was vocal during development and testing, and I was pretty adament that while it was a great start it wasn't ready for mainline. 00.51.09 # <[Saint]> But...it just got committed anyway. 00.51.38 # <[Saint]> And we lost, or broke, a lot of functions. 00.52.04 # <[Saint]> tagcache in RAM and playlists being the two obvious ones, but there is quite a bit more. 00.52.11 # strangle thing is that other targets seems not affected, i.e. the Sansas 00.52.48 # <[Saint]> it really pisses me off, because for the disk based targets tagcache in RAM makes an absolutely massive difference. 00.53.11 # <[Saint]> for disk based targets, and people who have larger media collections, the database is pretty much unusable now. 00.53.20 # <[Saint]> it is absolutely unbearably slow. 00.53.52 # <[Saint]> whereas prior to the new filesystem backend is was just as fast is not faster than the file browser itself. 00.54.15 # true, i want to look at that in the future, when i have a bit more time, i suspect to read all this code will be time expensive 00.54.17 # <[Saint]> scrolling very long lists in the database is absolutely unbearable now. 00.54.52 # <[Saint]> and, yes, I tried some while ago to map out the structures and functions of the new filesystem backend and I did not get very far. 00.55.20 # actually i got some success with the IAP FM radio 00.55.27 # <[Saint]> JhMikeS is a creative genius, I'll give him that much. There is some very unique and elegant code in there. 00.56.25 # <[Saint]> I just wish he had listened and not committed a massive change with tens of thousands of lines that touched pretty much every single file in the entire repo and then vanished into thin air. 00.56.50 # :) 00.56.52 # <[Saint]> But what is done is done and I can't change that now. 00.57.29 # <[Saint]> Also - that is very interesting. 00.57.42 # <[Saint]> How far are you with FM radio support for ipod6g? 00.58.06 # <[Saint]> I believe I have a couple of IAP FM remotes floating around here somewhere. 00.59.04 # ATM it is working well, the current git code for iap-remore-radio is deactivated and not used for a time, but works well with a couple of adjustments, 00.59.53 # <[Saint]> Interesting. 00.59.58 # but found a couple of problems with the line-out and how we what it to behave 01.00.23 # *how we want* 01.00.55 # the remote controls the line-out volume 01.03.01 # other problem is that actually there is no prescale for line-out or HP monitor mode 01.05.07 # better said, the prescaler is applied to HP in monitor mode, where there is no DSP bass and treble 01.07.15 # i introduced a couple of quick patches in sound.c for this, but i don't know it they are desired, anyway i will publish it in gerrit to discuss about that 01.08.18 Quit TheSeven (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 01.13.57 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 01.17.01 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 01.17.21 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@47.89.8.175) 01.23.04 Quit cc___ (Quit: WeeChat 1.5) 01.28.46 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 01.29.06 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@ip5b4097fd.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) 01.29.06 Quit kugel (Changing host) 01.29.06 Join kugel [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 01.29.24 Quit mikroflops (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 01.39.22 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 01.39.33 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@47.89.8.175) 01.41.39 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 01.41.51 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@47.89.8.175) 01.42.25 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01.50.26 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 01.50.42 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@47.89.8.175) 01.51.26 # <__builtin> [Saint]: the 6g has FM support? 01.52.44 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 01.53.41 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@v133-130-117-151.a048.g.tyo1.static.cnode.io) 01.58.49 # <__builtin> hmm, the hardware SHA1 and AES support is also useful for the otp plugin 02.04.20 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 02.04.38 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@v133-130-117-151.a048.g.tyo1.static.cnode.io) 02.04.47 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 02.08.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.08.49 # <__builtin> prof_wolfff: do you have details on how the AES coprocessor works? 02.09.39 # <__builtin> what cipher mode is used, and where the key is from, specifically 02.12.25 # <[Saint]> __builtin: all the iPods past the 2G have FM support by way of IAP. 02.12.58 # <[Saint]> Very few of them actually have native FM support in hardware for whatever reason. 02.13.09 # <__builtin> ah, I see 02.13.13 # <[Saint]> Just the Nano 4G and up I believe. 02.13.27 # <__builtin> also, does 6g have a mic? 02.13.33 # <[Saint]> No. 02.14.10 # <__builtin> the config file seems to be mistaken then :/ 02.15.07 # <[Saint]> I think in that context 'MIC' is also a synonym for a MIC on line in, which is entirely possible. 02.15.36 # <__builtin> is that implemented? 02.15.49 # <[Saint]> line in? Yes. 02.16.09 # * __builtin tests 02.16.43 # <[Saint]> Do you have a line in cable? 02.16.55 # <[Saint]> AFAIK the 3.5mm out doesn't do jack sensing. 02.17.15 # <[Saint]> So you need line in cable from the ridax header. 02.21.00 # <__builtin> what's the "ridax header"? 02.27.55 # <[Saint]> iPod/SanDisk dock connector. 02.28.25 # <[Saint]> people think it's proprietary, but it's just standard ridax with an arbitrary pinout. 02.30.54 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@v133-130-117-151.a048.g.tyo1.static.cnode.io) 02.35.00 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 02.39.23 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@v133-130-117-151.a048.g.tyo1.static.cnode.io) 02.49.30 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 02.49.44 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@v133-130-117-151.a048.g.tyo1.static.cnode.io) 02.51.35 # <__builtin> hmm, that is new 02.51.50 # <__builtin> so the two are compatible then, at least physically? 02.58.03 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 02.58.23 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@v133-130-117-151.a048.g.tyo1.static.cnode.io) 02.58.59 # <[Saint]> Yes. 02.59.12 # <__builtin> how about electrically? 02.59.15 # <[Saint]> Electrically - DON'T DO IT, lol. 02.59.21 # <[Saint]> This kills the Sansa. 02.59.29 # <__builtin> vice-versa? 02.59.51 # <[Saint]> Sansa-to-iPod is OK from my experience. 03.00.17 # <[Saint]> The reverse puts 5V across a rail that's only supposed to have 3.3V and isn;t protected. 03.00.27 # <__builtin> ouch 03.00.32 # <[Saint]> Yup. 03.01.30 # <__builtin> you wouldn't happen to have a copy of the s5l8700 datasheet, do you? 03.03.05 # <[Saint]> Yes. 03.04.08 # <[Saint]> Well...kinda. I don't have access to my copy of it right this very instant, but there's one on the freemyipod wiki IIRC. 03.04.11 # <[Saint]> One sec: 03.04.12 # <[Saint]> https://www.freemyipod.org/wiki/S5L8700_datasheet 03.04.36 # <__builtin> the link's broken 03.04.55 # <[Saint]> ah shit. 03.05.31 # <__builtin> archive.org doesn't turn up anything useful 03.06.46 # <__builtin> neither does google cache 03.08.22 # <[Saint]> http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/S5L8700X-DS.rar 03.08.35 # <[Saint]> from http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/DataSheets 03.08.57 # <__builtin> thanks 03.09.38 # <[Saint]> No problem. I wish I knew why my WOL apparently isn't working. 03.09.39 # <[Saint]> Hmmm. 03.09.53 # <[Saint]> Otherwise it wouldn't have taken me so long to find it. 03.10.14 # <[Saint]> Oh - hah, there we go. It's alive now. Typical. 03.10.28 # <__builtin> weird, it doesn't have anything on the parts I'm interested in 03.12.28 # <__builtin> which is how the AES coprocessor works 03.12.39 # <__builtin> any idea where I would find that? 03.14.20 # <[Saint]> No, sorry. I'm not even 100% confident it even gets used on the 6g. 03.15.02 # <[Saint]> I know we need to use the AES core for signing the Nano 2G bootloaders, but outside of that I don't think there's any other direct use of it either. 03.15.17 # <__builtin> there's code in rockbox for it, so there must be something, somewhere, on how it works 03.15.27 # <[Saint]> and even then I'm not sure we know a hell of a lot more than "file goes in, file comes out". 03.15.58 # <[Saint]> You would likely want to talk to TheSeven 03.16.10 # <[Saint]> Or possibly user890104 03.16.16 # <[Saint]> But...probably TheSeven. 03.16.24 # <__builtin> [Saint]: do you know where that n2g code you refer to resides? 03.17.07 Join PurlingNayuki1 [0] (~Thunderbi@v133-130-117-151.a048.g.tyo1.static.cnode.io) 03.17.09 Quit Tirifto (Quit: Tirifto) 03.17.20 # AES coprocessor isn't documented anywhere publicly 03.17.29 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 03.17.30 Nick PurlingNayuki1 is now known as PurlingNayuki (~Thunderbi@v133-130-117-151.a048.g.tyo1.static.cnode.io) 03.17.53 # it's probably not in the S5L8700, just in the 8701/8702/8720 chipsets that were designed specifically for apple 03.18.05 # <__builtin> so it's all reverse-engineered then? 03.18.13 # yes 03.18.33 # <[Saint]> __builtin: crypt_firmware 03.18.45 # it's very similar (if not exactly the same) as on the S5L8900 and several other iphone SoCs 03.18.49 # <[Saint]> that's the only place I know of where we talk to the AES core directly. 03.19.05 # so you'll probably find a ton if information about it in various jailbreak-related source code 03.19.10 # <[Saint]> that's required for the bootloader crypto. 03.19.13 # openiboot and that kind of thing 03.19.14 # <__builtin> there's some stuff in emcore about it 03.19.27 # <[Saint]> but that code will allow you to pass any files to the AES core and back again. 03.19.37 # <[Saint]> Just not sure how useful it would be for your use case. 03.20.00 # what exactly are you trying to do? 03.20.26 # <[Saint]> hardware accelerated aes symmetric keychain I presume. 03.20.34 # <__builtin> and accelerated SHA1 as part of PBKDF2 03.21.07 # the AES engine does ECB mode, CBC is applied to the result in software 03.21.17 # <__builtin> ok, that's what I want 03.21.22 # <__builtin> with what keys? 03.21.27 # <[Saint]> oh, interesting. 03.21.39 # I think some newer versions can do hardware CBC as well, but it's optional, it can definitely do ECB 03.21.40 # <[Saint]> I though the AES core handled this explicitly. 03.22.02 # <[Saint]> Iiiiiinteresting. 03.22.15 # you can pass a key to it, or let it use one of the two hardware keys that it has (which are used for bootloader signing etc., we only use those, never a custom key) 03.22.53 # <__builtin> are the keys device-specific? 03.23.04 # <[Saint]> No. 03.23.09 # <__builtin> are they known? 03.23.23 # one is device specific, one is a "group key" for the CPU type 03.23.32 # <__builtin> o.O 03.23.36 # I'm not aware that anyone was able to extract the keys 03.23.43 # <__builtin> that sounds like exactly what I want 03.23.45 # <[Saint]> Oh, I thought they were both predefined keys. 03.23.47 # <[Saint]> my mistake. 03.24.37 # <[Saint]> If they were device specific entirely, our install flow for the Nano 2G would be reeeeeeelly fucky. 03.25.00 # <[Saint]> We would need to ask the user to pass the bootloader to crypt_firmware themselves before flashing. 03.25.06 # <[Saint]> Which would be...ugly. 03.26.59 # <[Saint]> There's an iHardware-type third party repair guy on Reddit and YouTube who is pretty popular who has indicated/insinuated VERY heavily several times that the trust chain with the AES core on most of the iDevices has been broken and the keys dumped. 03.27.03 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 03.27.18 # <[Saint]> But to date he has provided zero evidence of this citing morality as the reasoning. 03.28.11 # <[Saint]> Which is in and of itself quite responsible, but it doesn't lend well towards his credibility. 03.28.29 # <[Saint]> In general he's a fairly no-nonsense kind of guy so I have no reason to believe he's lying. 03.28.43 # <[Saint]> But I'm perfectly willing to believe he may be mistaken or misinformed. 03.28.54 # <__builtin> TheSeven: how would I use a custom key? 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04.40.31 # <__builtin> not exactly 04.40.36 # <__builtin> what's up? 04.40.52 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 04.40.54 # i've been trying to install rockbox for like 6 hours 04.40.59 # not an exaggeration there 04.41.00 # <__builtin> ok, what device? 04.41.17 # goGear HDD 1620 04.41.33 # basically the same as the 14*0/16*0 04.41.42 # and it's killing me 04.42.40 # so i've copied all the files 04.43.10 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 04.43.36 # the utility always errors installing the bootloader so i manually copied i 04.44.00 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@v133-130-117-151.a048.g.tyo1.static.cnode.io) 04.44.50 # <__builtin> hmm, if the bootloader won't install rockbox won't work 04.45.39 # yes, except i copied it manually, not sure if i put it in the right folder because documentation is nearly nonexistant 04.46.14 # <__builtin> the bootloader? 04.46.39 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 04.46.39 # yeah it comes in a .ebn file i put in the /System directory on the device 04.50.37 # if i could get the utility working that'd be perfect, but it always errors and crashes whenever i try to save a log 04.52.38 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 04.52.53 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@v133-130-117-151.a048.g.tyo1.static.cnode.io) 04.54.53 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 04.55.30 # <[Saint]> Getting the utility working is entirely non-interesting to you. 04.55.38 # <[Saint]> It is doing nothing special. 04.55.49 # <[Saint]> All it is doing is a copy operation, and a move and rename. 04.56.01 # <[Saint]> There's no special magic for this device. 04.56.34 # right, but then how come it fails? if it's just copying, moving, and renaming, it should work the same as all the other options 04.56.46 # rockbox installs, themes install, everything but the bootloader 04.57.45 # but i guess that's not relevent, seeing as i can do that manually, right? 04.58.42 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@v133-130-117-151.a048.g.tyo1.static.cnode.io) 04.58.50 # <[Saint]> Right. 04.59.02 # but the thing is, the copy issue persists across platforms, so it cant do it on both windows and ubuntu 05.00.12 # <[Saint]> Does the intended file path actually exist on the hardware? 05.00.32 # <[Saint]> From memory I believe it is under /system/fwimage.ebn or so. 05.00.39 # no, it's a new card... is that it? i swear if that's what's stopped me for 6 hours. 05.00.57 # <[Saint]> Why are you installing to the sdcard? 05.01.02 # <[Saint]> That'll be the issue. 05.01.21 # no see i upgraded the microdrive in it to a CF card 05.01.37 # because i dropped it once - im an idiot - and broke it 05.01.38 # <[Saint]> Oooooh. Then right, this very well may be the issue. 05.02.22 # let me try then 05.03.01 # I AM AN IDIOT 05.03.04 # IT WORKED 05.03.06 # PERFECTLY 05.03.51 # well then. 05.04.06 # sorry for wasting everyone's time, and thanks for the help 05.04.39 # bye for now, i'll probably be back again with another stupid issue 05.04.45 Quit az4521 (Quit: Page closed) 05.06.08 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 05.09.33 Join [Saint] [0] (~saint@rockbox/staff/saint) 05.12.23 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 05.12.58 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@v133-130-117-151.a048.g.tyo1.static.cnode.io) 05.15.06 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 05.18.49 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@v133-130-117-151.a048.g.tyo1.static.cnode.io) 05.19.56 # <[Saint]> Sorry bud, I fell off the net. 05.20.21 # <[Saint]> If you're very lucky it may be entirely sufficient to just place the original firmware file where it is expected to be and then proceed. 05.21.23 Join az4521 [0] (6ca81ac7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.168.26.199) 05.22.49 # well i think my gogear might have a bigger issue 05.23.01 # i put the files in and all that 05.23.07 # plugged the cf card into it 05.23.13 # wont show up as an MTP device 05.24.03 # <[Saint]> It is entirely possible that the adapter plate you're using isn't behaving transparently and is fucking the device off. 05.24.22 # <[Saint]> It is very hit and miss with these format shifting adapters. 05.24.26 # i'm not using an adapter, the device just straight runs with CF 05.24.38 # <[Saint]> Ah. Hmmm. 05.24.47 # <[Saint]> It's not NTFS formatted is it? 05.25.08 # nope, fat32 05.25.09 # <[Saint]> or $ANYTHING_NON-FAT formatted? 05.25.12 # <[Saint]> Hmmm. 05.26.38 # i'm just getting the generic "please connect player to a pc" error 05.26.54 # should i pastebin the directory tree? 05.27.37 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 05.29.35 # <[Saint]> Are you just plugging and hoping? 05.29.59 # what would that mean? 05.30.25 # actually lemme read up on the irc lingo i forgot to do that 05.30.26 # <[Saint]> Or acre you actually making a specific effort to force UMS via (IIRC) power&vol+ until it resets and then holding vol- until it presents as UMS? 05.30.44 # <[Saint]> *are 05.30.46 # yes, im booting into UMS 05.31.11 # <[Saint]> what does the device manager tell you? 05.31.39 # the windows device manager? the phillips one doesnt run on anything but XP 05.31.39 # <[Saint]> are there any driver disassociated devices in the device tree? 05.32.01 # <[Saint]> and, yes it does. 05.32.18 # <[Saint]> just need to run it in compatibilty mode like a bunch of ancient software. 05.32.30 # <[Saint]> but that's not required for anything we need to do here. 05.32.37 # no dissassociated devices, although no MTP devices show up either 05.33.09 # <[Saint]> Is the device visible at all, in any form? 05.33.12 # it doesnt appear at all in the device manager 05.33.34 # but when i rightclick the safely remove thing, it identifies it as a "goGear 14xx" 05.34.09 # <[Saint]> Ok, so the host is definitely seeing it - perhaps you're just overlooking it in device manager. 05.34.42 # oh, yes it appears as a disk drive 05.34.59 # <[Saint]> it can't enumerate without informing the host it exists, so...damn. I'd actually be happier if we couldn;t see it. 05.35.07 # <[Saint]> That would be easier to explain. :) 05.35.26 # well it appears as a USB drive with no volumes 05.35.43 # and also crashes device manager 05.35.48 # apparently 05.37.17 # <[Saint]> Unfortunately I know next to nothing about what the device expects to see in its filesystem and if or how it manages a recovery profile. 05.37.43 # <[Saint]> It is possible that there is a volume or some particular magic file(s) intended to reside on the disk that we're missing. 05.38.20 # <[Saint]> And the only two human being I know who I think might have a clue about this and be able to supply the missing magic aren't here currently. 05.38.50 # i would agree 05.38.55 # <[Saint]> At this point I don't know how to proceed I'm sorry. 05.39.01 # except there's a full account of it working without the magic 05.39.02 # http://figuramania.blogspot.com/2014/09/hacked-up-usb-for-phillips-hdd1420.html 05.39.53 # <[Saint]> it is possible that it expects a particular block size or partition flag we're missing as well. 05.40.12 # should i just check every flag in gparted? 05.40.19 # <[Saint]> No. 05.41.10 Quit smoke_fumus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05.42.17 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@v133-130-117-151.a048.g.tyo1.static.cnode.io) 05.42.30 # i'll try formatting it as FAT rather than FAT32 05.43.05 # <[Saint]> az4521: perhaps you may try running the phillips device manager under compatibility mode and see if it can detect and address the device. 05.43.24 # hah, that thing never worked on XP 05.43.27 # i'll try though 05.44.07 # <[Saint]> Right click it, select properties, compatibility, run this program in compatibility mode for ... ; or so. 05.44.25 # <[Saint]> something like this, been years since I used Windows in any major capacity. 05.44.29 # yeah i know 05.46.00 # <[Saint]> seems as though there is specific magic it expects, but that it should be able to generate this magic under Rockbox. 05.46.02 # <[Saint]> Hmmm... 05.46.06 # <[Saint]> "Format drive, copy the official firmware to the drive in the correct directory but still not working... 05.46.06 # <[Saint]> After finding and reading the service manual it states that the technician must replace system files, so it sounds like there is more than just the firmware file... " 05.46.27 # i dont think it'll work though, when i ran it on XP it asked for some ancient version of WMP 05.46.56 # yeah, it's asking for windows media player 6 05.46.58 # <[Saint]> well, there's always a virtualization container... 05.47.11 # virtualbox it is then 05.47.59 # <[Saint]> From what I gather though, the following /should/ work for you: 05.48.08 # <[Saint]> gimme a sec, 'cos, typing and stuff 05.50.55 # ok, i suspected that the drive i put in wasnt working somehow, but i put the old one back and it made an awful screeching noise so i know it's definitely not a hardware issue 05.51.39 # <[Saint]> - If you have to, remove the CF drive from the device and format it as FAT32 and mount it 05.51.40 # <[Saint]> - obtain the original firmware file, and rename this to OF.ebn 05.51.40 # <[Saint]> - obtain the Rockbox modified FWImage.ebn 05.51.40 DBUG Enqueued KICK [Saint] 05.51.40 # <[Saint]> - create the path /System/ on the CF drive and copy both OF and FWImage to it 05.51.40 # <[Saint]> - extract the rockbox-gogearhdd6330.zip to the root of the device 05.51.58 # <[Saint]> - replace the drive and boot the device with it disconnected from the host 05.52.03 # alright, will do 05.52.35 # you sure it's the 6330.zip? i tried that earlier with the 1620 zip 05.53.01 # <[Saint]> From what I gather, piecing the boot process together this /should/ work as expected 05.53.19 # <[Saint]> Oh, sorry, yes you're right. You've got the HDD16*0. 05.53.23 # <[Saint]> Yes my mistake. 05.53.31 # ok, just confirming 05.53.45 Join bill-auger [0] (~quassel@68-191-63-157.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) 05.55.11 # <[Saint]> But, yeah, from what I can gather of the phillips device manager and what it wants to do, how the device is booting, and our bootloader, the above should be the functional equivalent of restoring the device with the phillips device manager, except with Rockbox, and manually. 05.55.58 # ok, i'll dump the files on it and see what happens 05.57.30 # wow, the rockbox firm is significantly smaller 05.57.48 # 5.5 mb vs 55 kb 05.58.32 # ok, all the files are copied, time to test it 05.59.03 # <[Saint]> the rb firmware is just a tiny shim that says 'jump to this place and run this stuff' after setting up some hardware, basically. 05.59.16 # <[Saint]> toning it down a lot but that's the gist of it. 05.59.55 # same error 06.00.00 # <[Saint]> if you imagine the contents of /.rockbox contained in it as well the difference is less apparent 06.00.01 # "please connect player to PC" 06.00.02 # <[Saint]> and, shit. 06.01.09 # i dont think the device is even seeing the drive 06.01.25 # it's just appearing as a drive with no volumes 06.01.27 # ugh 06.01.39 # <[Saint]> You will want to talk to pamaury 06.01.53 # incredibly stupid idea here - im gonna flip the drive upside down 06.02.15 # <[Saint]> Hahahaha.....Oh man, if that's it, I'll shit. 06.02.20 # <[Saint]> I may literally shit. 06.03.02 # thank god 06.03.04 # it didnt work 06.03.10 # .. wait that's bad 06.04.12 # yep, just broken 06.04.33 # <[Saint]> you'll really need to talk to pamaury, perhaps on the forum initially and then orchestrate some time to meet up here. he isn't her 24/7 but he is here often. 06.04.39 # <[Saint]> just not presently. 06.04.45 # alright, i'll do that 06.04.58 # i really hope this isnt a hardware issue 06.05.01 # that would suck 06.05.09 # actually i have ONE more idea 06.05.24 # <[Saint]> he's the lead for this port and in general a bit of a debugging/reverse engineering wizard. 06.05.29 # i have another CF card - ancient, only 16 megs- to try 06.05.41 # might as well give it a shot at this point 06.07.44 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 06.08.04 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@47.89.8.175) 06.08.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.08.43 # <[Saint]> As far as I can see, the flow listed above /should/ be sufficient to satisfy Rockbox's boot, and then in turn allow booting of the original firmware via dualboot - which would generate any required magic and allow you to remove Rockbox if so desired. 06.09.33 # <[Saint]> But I am entirely willing to believe that I am incorrect in this. The only thing I'm not 100% certain about is precisely what the device might expect in the way of the storage itself. 06.09.55 # i mean it had a 6gb microdrive originally 06.10.03 # so a 16gb cf isnt that far off 06.10.32 # <[Saint]> I don't know about the original firmware but Rockbox doesn't care about any hard limits on the capacity. 06.11.01 # <[Saint]> it'll address full spec in theory if such a drive existed, which it doesn't. 06.12.11 # ok, rockbox somehow installs on 16 megs 06.12.14 # that's impressive 06.13.33 # definitely not hardware 06.13.35 # somehow 06.13.48 # i dont even know what's happening, im gonna set up a vm 06.14.02 # hah this reminds me 06.14.11 # a few years back i was trying to update this thing 06.14.22 # and the computer wouldnt see it 06.14.41 # i spennt a solid 2 hours with a tech support agent unplugging and plugging the thing back in 06.27.12 Quit az4521 (Quit: Page closed) 06.31.45 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 06.32.07 Join 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 17.48.17 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 17.48.41 # <__builtin> hmm, it seems that hardware SHA1 is exactly twice as fast as software 17.49.08 # <__builtin> decent 17.49.20 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@47.89.8.175) 17.50.35 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@77.117.126.204.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 17.51.18 Join bp0 [0] (~bp@unaffiliated/bp0) 17.53.05 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 17.53.05 # * __builtin tries out AES 17.59.07 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (~advcomp20@65-131-180-118.sxct.qwest.net) 17.59.07 Quit advcomp2019_ (Changing host) 17.59.07 Join advcomp2019_ [0] (~advcomp20@unaffiliated/advcomp2019) 18.02.15 Quit advcomp2019__ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 18.05.17 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 18.05.36 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@47.89.8.175) 18.08.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.09.35 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 18.09.53 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@47.89.8.175) 18.11.45 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 18.15.22 Join PurlingNayuki [0] (~Thunderbi@47.89.8.175) 18.31.33 Quit PurlingNayuki (Remote host closed the connection) 18.40.28 # <__builtin> prof_wolfff: regarding the AES engine, do you know how it can take a custom key rather than the hardcoded ones? 18.47.34 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-69-140-74-30.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 18.48.13 Quit alexweissman (Client Quit) 18.53.29 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-69-140-74-30.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 19.22.12 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p4FC1278B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.25.04 Join einhirn_ [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 19.26.26 Quit einhirn (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 19.47.15 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 47.0/20160604131506]) 19.50.50 Join girafe [0] (~girafe@LFbn-1-8020-64.w90-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.08.33 Join bill-auger_ [0] (~quassel@68-191-63-157.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) 20.08.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.08.56 Quit bill-auger (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 20.31.29 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.36.06 Quit foolsh (Remote host closed the connection) 20.38.23 Join foolsh [0] (~starchase@2601:241:c200:4bc5:8d4:b322:4972:50b0) 20.49.18 Quit gbl08ma (Remote host closed the connection) 20.55.57 Quit alexweissman () 21.09.57 Quit bp0 (Quit: Leaving) 21.59.30 Quit bill-auger_ (Remote host closed the connection) 22.08.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.14.43 Quit [Saint] (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 22.19.00 Quit einhirn_ (Quit: Miranda IM! 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