--- Log for 20.08.116 Server: weber.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 15 days and 8 hours ago 00.22.54 Quit benedikt93 (Remote host closed the connection) 00.22.56 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.27.29 Join benedikt93 [0] (~quassel@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 00.35.18 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0/20160726073904]) 00.37.00 Quit NathanV (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01.30.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.35.35 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 01.39.14 Quit benedikt93 (Remote host closed the connection) 01.50.28 Join benedikt93 [0] (~quassel@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 01.56.40 Quit benedikt93 (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 01.57.13 Quit Elfish (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 01.59.42 Join benedikt93 [0] (~quassel@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 02.00.15 Quit robertd (Quit: Page closed) 02.03.13 Join Elfish [0] (amba@2001:1608:12:1:13:3:3:7) 02.23.14 Quit benedikt93 (Remote host closed the connection) 02.26.52 Join benedikt93 [0] (~quassel@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 02.37.29 Join athidhep [0] (~afoakf@unaffiliated/athidhep) 02.39.06 Quit paulk-collins (Remote host closed the connection) 02.52.24 Quit benedikt93 (Remote host closed the connection) 03.30.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.31.48 Join benedikt93 [0] (~quassel@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 03.44.00 Join fs-bluebot_ [0] (~fs-bluebo@x4d099dfc.dyn.telefonica.de) 03.46.10 Quit bluebrother (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 03.46.18 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 03.47.48 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 03.48.14 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 04.07.36 Quit prof_wolfff (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 04.17.44 Quit The_Prospector|2 (Quit: when in doubt, kernel panic) 04.19.58 Join prof_wolfff [0] (~prof_wolf@82.159.0.123.dyn.user.ono.com) 04.20.06 Quit benedikt93 (Remote host closed the connection) 04.22.02 Join The_Prospector [0] (~The_Prosp@unaffiliated/cornman) 04.25.24 Join The_Prospector|2 [0] (~The_Prosp@c-73-239-179-79.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 04.27.51 Quit The_Prospector (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 04.27.53 Quit krabador (Remote host closed the connection) 04.28.24 Join benedikt93 [0] (~quassel@unaffiliated/benedikt93) 04.36.00 Join [Sinner] [0] (77e01fae@rockbox/staff/saint) 05.30.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.58.13 Quit michaelni (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 06.11.03 Join michaelni [0] (~michael@213-47-41-20.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) 06.26.34 Join ic_ [0] (~doc@S01060862669b53bc.vc.shawcable.net) 06.26.47 Nick ic_ is now known as doc|home (~doc@S01060862669b53bc.vc.shawcable.net) 06.26.53 Quit doc|home (Changing host) 06.26.53 Join doc|home [0] (~doc@gentoo/contributor/doc-007) 06.27.50 # hey. What's peoples' favourite alternative to sansa clip+ now? Prices for those and other supported sandisk devices have gone up 06.37.25 # <[Sinner]> there's never really been an alternative to the clip series. 06.37.39 # <[Sinner]> and there certainly isn't one that is supported. 06.43.55 # [Sinner], that's what I was thinking but was hoping I was wrong about. 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Anywhere.) 11.16.05 Join Kohlrabi [0] (~kohlrabi@kohlio.de) 11.30.20 Join paulk-collins [0] (~paulk@gagarine.paulk.fr) 11.30.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.43.10 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:58b2:cd1a:dc05:4c60) 11.57.35 Join robertd [0] (c9f2b970@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.242.185.112) 12.01.01 # hello people of rockbox _o/ 12.24.14 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 12.26.24 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 12.27.46 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@124-148-176-134.dyn.iinet.net.au) 12.27.46 Quit JdGordon_ (Changing host) 12.27.46 Join JdGordon_ [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 12.29.59 Quit JdGordon (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12.40.28 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 12.43.21 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 12.46.57 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 12.51.44 Quit zoktar (Quit: -) 12.55.29 # pamaury: I see Mihail commented your patch. Does it make sense that I test it on now on Fuze v1 or should I rather wait for a potential new update of the patch? 12.56.41 # lebellium: I just saw his comment, I don't understand it 12.57.18 # ah ok, I think I understand his point, yeah, please wait a bit before testing 13.25.28 Join rela_ [0] (~x@p5B245A01.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.27.01 Join rela__ [0] (~x@p200300764D2E960088A2B5B142C816DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.30.03 Quit rela_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13.30.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.30.50 Quit rela__ (Client Quit) 13.34.42 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 13.56.35 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 14.15.39 Join zoktar [0] (~zoktar@78-70-243-143-no186.tbcn.telia.com) 14.15.40 Quit zoktar (Changing host) 14.15.40 Join zoktar [0] (~zoktar@unaffiliated/zoktar) 14.17.41 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 14.22.35 Quit paulk-collins (Quit: Leaving) 14.48.03 # lebellium: I updated g#1369 14.48.04 # 3Gerrit review #1369 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1369 : 3as3543: fix audio gap when switching from dac to line-in/recording by Amaury Pouly 14.50.50 # if you could test on ypr0 and amsv1 devices that would be awesome. I tried the final version on my clip zip and it works great 15.03.26 Quit petur (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 15.16.30 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 15.25.12 # * pamaury finds it hard to translate rocbox to french 15.25.29 # there are so many things 1) I don't even know what they mean 2) I have to no idea how to translate them 15.28.09 # like how the hell do I translate "Haas surround", "Side only", "dry/wet" 15.29.34 # Have you encountered the hard knee yet? :) 15.29.49 Join bp0 [0] (~bp@unaffiliated/bp0) 15.30.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.35.26 # nope :) 15.44.33 # what is the difference between bass and perpetual bass enhancement ? 15.46.56 # * pamaury discovers new audio effects 15.47.05 # some of them look suspicious 15.47.13 # (and I don't want to know how they sound) 15.48.45 # You can't turn off perpetual bass enhancement, presumably :) 15.50.13 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision c7228de, 255 builds, 15 clients. 15.50.21 # lol 15.50.30 # nice typo 15.58.26 Join JanC_ [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 15.59.28 Quit JanC (Killed (barjavel.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))) 15.59.28 Nick JanC_ is now known as JanC (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 16.00.56 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 644 seconds. 16.00.57 # Build Server message: 3Revision c7228de result: 3 errors 0 warnings 16.01.33 # ah, another build system error 16.04.32 # Hmmm 16.04.43 # * gevaerts will block that client 16.04.47 # Not the first time 16.06.08 # Or maybe it's not that simple... 16.07.12 # I've only seen that error recently on that client, but the client has also done some working builds 16.07.15 # I don't understand this error, is it a parallel build race condition ? Or an unclean build ? Or a consequence of use ccache ? 16.08.40 # And I *think* only for onda 16.09.20 # But then http://build.rockbox.org/shownewlog.cgi?rev=fe730d3;type=ondavx767 is a working onda build by the same client 16.11.19 # * gevaerts does indeed suspect a parallel build race condition 16.11.37 # So I'm *not* going to block that client for now 16.13.07 # If you delete lang/lang.h and ask make to rebuild that specific file, it says there's nothing to do 16.13.24 # So it's built as a side effect of lang_core.o, which I suspect might be the problem 16.15.09 # * gevaerts does not like that bit of code! 16.15.15 # s/code/makefile/ 16.17.13 # the language part of the makefile is a bit of mystery to me, it clearly has bugs 16.21.33 # OK, the usual problem. genlang generates both lang.h and lang_core.c in one go, and then other bits depend on either of those 16.21.41 # There's no clean make way to express that 16.22.27 # Although as I suspect that *much* more stuff depends on lang.h than on lang_core.o, reversing things will help 16.23.15 # gevaerts: iirc, make has a way of saying it produces several files 16.23.41 # can you point me to the relevant make file ? 16.23.51 # Hmm, yes 16.24.02 # apps/lang/lang.make 16.24.25 # * gevaerts tries 16.26.25 # pamaury: I've pushed g#1370 16.26.26 # 3Gerrit review #1370 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1370 : 3Attempt to fix dependencies for lang.h, lang_core.c and lang_core.o by Frank Gevaerts 16.26.49 # Should hopefully be better, but a second set of eyes to look over it wouldn't hurt 16.27.17 # I am trying to understand lang.make first ;) 16.28.57 # All the dependencies in there are side effects 16.31.41 # * gevaerts has to go now if he wants to have food tomorrow... 16.32.27 # gevaerts: your patch makes sense, but do you think 16.32.27 # $(BUILDDIR)/lang/lang_core.o: $(APPSDIR)/lang/$(LANGUAGE).lang $(BUILDDIR)/apps/features $(BUILDDIR)/lang/lang.h $(BUILDDIR)/lang/lang_core.c 16.32.27 # is necessary ? I would expect lang_core.o to only depend on lang_core.c, and then with your next dependency, that makes it indirectly depend on *.lang and features 16.32.58 # Oh, right 16.33.12 # It needs lang_core.c and lang.h, but not the others I think 16.33.40 # * gevaerts quickly fixes 16.33.41 # I mean lang_core.o is nothing special really, it's just a normal .o for which we create an explicit lang.h dependency because it's generated right ? 16.34.06 # Yes 16.34.29 # by the way, does it needs a special rule to build or can it be built with the usual %.c: %.o rules ? 16.34.56 # I suspect the usual rules assume separate source and build dir 16.35.08 # hum you are probably right 16.35.09 # Anyway, updated 16.35.19 # * gevaerts *really* goes shopping now :) 16.35.41 # * pamaury is happy with the patch but will test it later just to be sure 16.42.23 # pamaury: I'll try on both devices. "Effet Hass" but we still don't know what it is :D 16.42.51 # + cowond2*: "MENU ou en haut àgauche = Oui" -> looks like a space is missing 16.42.51 # well "hass surround" is not very clear. I suggest you read the rockbox manual, it is.... interesting 16.43.00 # ah damn 16.43.13 # I'll fix the space, thanks 16.43.45 # * pamaury points lebellium to http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch6.html#x8-1170006.14 16.44.47 # looks like very advanced effect 16.44.56 # not sure my hears can't handle it :D 16.45.04 # hahhahaha 16.45.22 # lebellium: did you find any other typo or can I push the diff for the one you found ? 16.47.26 # well, I'm not sure for "3-D Enhancement" -> "Amélioration des effets 3D". What is enhanced? The 3D effect is enhanced or the sound is enhanced through 3D effect? :) 16.47.59 # hum good point, I just copied from the earlier version 16.48.17 # honestly this 3D effect is crap, so the enhancement is nowhere :D 16.48.33 # Maybe "Effet 3D" ? 16.48.38 # I would say that 16.48.44 # sounds very marketing though ahah 16.49.21 # yeah the manual calls it "enhancement", but I don't know what it enhances really 16.52.23 # I don't even find it in the manual 16.53.02 # I am not sure I put a description, that's a good point 16.53.20 # I looked for in the Fuze+ manual 16.54.25 # I will add it to the manual then, here is the datasheet description: 16.54.27 # Virtual 3D Effect Enable. This bit field provides a virtual 16.54.27 # 3D effect for a two channel system by subtracting a 16.54.27 # portion of the opposite channel's content for each 16.54.27 DBUG Enqueued KICK pamaury 16.54.27 # channel. Three reduction ratios are available (dB value 16.54.27 # represents amount of opposite channel content 16.54.28 *** Alert Mode level 1 16.54.28 # subtracted). 16.54.30 # 00=Off 16.54.32 # 01=Low (3 dB) 16.54.34 # 10=Medium (4.5 dB) 16.54.37 # 11=High (6 dB) 16.55.34 # is there such setting in the OF? 16.56.09 # I don't know. Also the WM8751 codec has a similar setting but different 16.57.17 # the other terms are fine to me. You can push it 16.57.23 # Now I'll compile the patched builds 16.58.50 # oh 16.58.59 # Mihail still commented 17.00.31 Quit K1773R (Quit: /dev/null) 17.01.14 # lebellium: don't worry, it's just a comment I forgot to update 17.01.37 # ok 17.04.29 *** Alert Mode OFF 17.04.46 # lebellium: apparentlt 3D *enhancement* comes from WM codec manual, which claims it improves something :D 17.05.36 # when I have some time I'll try this setting on my Fuze+ 17.06.33 # I'm trying to add it to the manual 17.06.33 # I know that in the Samsung or Cowon proprietary sound engine (DNSe / BBE) there are some similar settings and you can actually a real difference (doesn't mean it sounds better though) 17.06.54 # on the fuze+ it makes a difference, but I don't think it sounds better 17.11.25 Quit jtdesigns01 (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 17.15.47 Join jtdesigns01 [0] (~quassel@2601:400:8000:34f5:208:54ff:fe4f:26f) 17.21.19 Join edhelas [0] (~edhelas@145.133.43.230) 17.26.29 # pamaury: still ok on R0. Now checking on Fuze v1 17.30.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.38.31 Quit krnlyng (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 17.39.22 # no change on Fuze v1 with or without patch. Even better than on R0 (almost no volume gap at all between DAC and radio) 17.47.03 Quit petur (Quit: Leaving) 17.50.28 Join ujcroon [0] (~user@cpc19-lewi14-2-0-cust242.2-4.cable.virginm.net) 17.51.15 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@178.114.93.60.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 17.54.44 # hi, im trying to install rockbox on a 2nd generation nano macpod - i have no access to windows or itunes 17.56.03 # i am about to install ipodpatcher and it is warning me that rockbox wont install on macpods 17.57.04 # how do i format the macpod to run rockbox after installing the bootloader? 17.57.50 # ujcroon: I don't know anything about ipods but if you stay on the channel, eventually someone who knows about ipods should answer 18.03.27 # saratoga: can you enlight me (again probably) about how AUDIOHW_SETTING works ? I am confusing by this: 18.03.27 # AUDIOHW_SETTING(DEPTH_3D, "%", 0, 1, 0, 15, 0, (100 * val + 8) / 15) 18.03.27 # It means: unit="%", no decimal, 18.03.27 # step = 1, min=0, max=15, default=0 => is that the value displayed to the user or the value given the audiohw_* function ? 18.03.28 # (100 * val + 8)/15 => this converts between user and hardware value, but in which direction ? 18.03.38 # *confused 18.24.47 Join K1773R [0] (~K1773R@unaffiliated/k1773r) 18.47.13 Quit edhelas (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 19.30.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.34.29 Quit ujcroon (Remote host closed the connection) 19.44.16 Join edhelas [0] (~edhelas@145.133.43.230) 19.48.31 Quit edhelas (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 20.03.53 # ok so answering myself, the scale is always the hardware value, and the conversion, function converts from hardware to user 21.30.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.56.13 Join ujcroon [0] (~user@cpc19-lewi14-2-0-cust242.2-4.cable.virginm.net) 22.09.48 Join pamaury_ [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 22.10.15 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 22.18.32 Nick pamaury_ is now known as pamaury (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 22.26.39 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 22.26.39 # * pamaury spots suspicious AUDIOHW_SETTING values and suspects the lack of documentation is responsible for this 22.33.26 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision adaba2b, 255 builds, 14 clients. 22.33.43 # can someone review g#1374 ? 22.33.44 # 3Gerrit review #1374 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1374 : 3manual: document 3D enhancement by Amaury Pouly 22.36.12 # can someone who knows the audiohw code review g#1372 ? 22.36.13 # 3Gerrit review #1372 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1372 : 3Document AUDIOHW_SETTING by Amaury Pouly 22.43.14 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 589 seconds. 22.43.15 # Build Server message: 3Revision adaba2b result: All green 22.52.45 # * pamaury reviews all audio hw settings for suspicious values 23.01.57 Join petur [0] (~petur@46.189.28.231) 23.01.57 Quit petur (Changing host) 23.01.57 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 23.10.15 Quit athidhep (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.10.24 Join athidhep [0] (~afoakf@unaffiliated/athidhep) 23.10.59 Quit Rower (Quit: Hmmm...) 23.11.35 Quit idonob (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 23.12.22 Join idonob [0] (~Owner@184.65.178.159) 23.12.39 Quit idonob (Client Quit) 23.12.57 Join idonob [0] (~Owner@184.65.178.159) 23.14.50 # gevaerts: ping 23.19.09 Part ayypot 23.22.56 # how do i format an ipod nano 2nd gen to fat32 using linux? 23.25.26 Quit athidhep (Quit: athidhep) 23.30.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.33.48 Quit thum (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 23.34.39 Join thum [0] (~thum@www.vikings.net) 23.51.10 Quit krabador (Remote host closed the connection)