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[0] (~snow_bcks@ganon.dot-server.net) 00.03.31 Join shamus [0] (~shmaus@ip-206-192-195-210.marylandheights.ip.cablemo.net) 00.03.36 Quit idonob (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.03.36 Quit michaelni (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.03.36 Quit alexweis_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.03.38 Quit sparetire (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.03.38 Quit TD-Linux (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 00.08.54 Join utrack [0] (~utrack@21422.s.t4vps.eu) 00.09.06 Join TD-Linux [0] (~Thomas@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux) 00.10.45 Join sparetire [0] (~sparetire@unaffiliated/sparetire) 00.11.33 Join edhelas [0] (~edhelas@145.133.43.230) 00.13.35 # pamaury: how do you feel fixing something you seem to hate reading your patch comment :D 00.14.40 # I feel like I made the world just slightly more right :D 00.17.06 Join michaelni [0] (~michael@213-47-41-20.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) 00.20.12 Quit preglow (Remote host closed the connection) 00.22.38 Quit edhelas (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00.23.26 Quit Elfish_ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 00.28.35 Join Elfish [0] (amba@2001:1608:12:1:13:3:3:7) 00.39.36 Quit petur (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 00.49.14 Join preglow [0] (~thomj@2001:840:4243:3::101) 00.53.28 Join petur [0] (~petur@46.189.28.207) 00.53.28 Quit petur (Changing host) 00.53.28 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 00.57.20 # pamaury: related to g#1369, in the past i wrote some code to support FM radio on Classic (and other iPods), actually it works nice but it is a huge patch and needs lots of clean up 00.57.21 # 3Gerrit review #1369 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1369 : 3as3543: fix audio gap when switching from dac to line-in/recording by Amaury Pouly 00.57.56 # there was a problem (also present on clipzip) when the analog passthrought monitor mode is used, if you use DSP effects (i.e. bass or treble) that needs prescaler then the effect is not applied to the output but the prescaler is, so there is an increase of volume when some effect is active 00.58.31 # prof_wolfff: in this case you need to change the volume when effects are active 00.58.34 # i don't know if this issue is related with as3543 but is a general problem i solved adding an audio capability (MONITOR) and when it is activated then the prescaler is not applied in sound.c (IIRC) 00.58.40 # it's done on a number of targets already 00.59.29 # the problem is that in monitor mode (analog not mixer) the effect is not applied but the volume is changed 01.00.02 # you can test it listening in clipzip to FM radio and increase/decrease bass or treble 01.01.01 # ok i'll have a look, maybe it's a bug due to the old code ? the bass/trebble is done by the audio chip right ? 01.01.39 # yes, it uses the codec DSP, works nice in Classic, but not if you use analog monitor mode 01.02.23 # i don't know if the problem is the same in clipzip, but seems it could be 01.02.25 # so the classic uses which chip ? 01.02.41 # cs42l55 01.02.50 # ah that's a completely different chip 01.03.12 # No in fact the problem I fixed in g#1369 is probably unrelated, it was a programming bug 01.03.13 # 3Gerrit review #1369 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1369 : 3as3543: fix audio gap when switching from dac to line-in/recording by Amaury Pouly 01.03.55 # I can have a look at te cs4l55 code, is this big patch your mentioned somewhere ? I can look and suggest another solution maybe 01.04.10 # yes, but the problem (it there is any) is in sound.c (set_prescaled_volume) affecting to all targets using DSP effects, if monitor mode is enabled then prescaler should not be applied 01.05.42 # because in that case the effects are not applied to the output that is in analog passthrought monitor mode 01.07.06 # i will try to do some clean up of lots a debug traces and publish the patch on gerrit, but it will take some days for me to do that 01.09.11 # ah I think I understand what you are saying, the volume should be prescaled in the dsp effects are in software or not only apply to the dac. Or you would need to go through adc 01.10.42 # yes, in cs42l55 if you use the mixer to route ADC to the ouput chain (digital monitor) then there is no problem 01.11.47 # yeah that needs some thinking, I don't even know if DSP effects are really meant to apply in radio, so yeah that might need some fixing 01.11.50 # but if you use analog monitor then the effects are disabled but the volume is applied to de DAC, so it results in an increase of volume when bass or treble is > 0db 01.12.27 # *the prescaler is applied to the DAC* 01.15.46 # I'll try to reproduce it in another target and think about a solution. And obvious solution would be for sound.c to be aware of whether an analog monitor is active. 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Looks like I first had to type "make convttf". But then you get warning! 13.14.01 # convttf.c:920:16: warning: non-ISO-standard escape sequence, '\e' [enabled by default] 13.14.02 # This page in Japanese: http://ae864agelu.blogspot.fr/2012/01/convttfexe_20.html 13.14.03 Join petur [0] (~petur@217.146.140.103) 13.14.03 Quit petur (Changing host) 13.14.03 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 13.14.04 # Then http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2ysiy5G7Iq0J:fr.pastebin.ca/2137961+&cd=9&hl=fr&ct=clnk&gl=fr helped me 13.14.10 # I successfully converted my 1st font :) 13.16.23 Quit idonob (Remote host closed the connection) 13.22.21 Join idonob [0] (~Owner@184.65.178.159) 13.26.54 Quit idonob (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 13.27.51 Join idonob [0] (~Owner@184.65.178.159) 13.35.36 Quit utrack (Changing host) 13.35.36 Join utrack [0] (~utrack@unaffiliated/utrack) 13.36.29 Quit idonob (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13.52.15 Join idonob [0] (~Owner@184.65.178.159) 14.16.16 Join robertd [0] (c9f2b970@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.242.185.112) 14.21.49 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 14.38.39 Quit petur (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.40.59 Join petur [0] (~petur@217.146.140.103) 14.40.59 Quit petur (Changing host) 14.40.59 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 14.42.46 # * pamaury is a bit confused by the wm8978 code, there seems to be a mismatch between the actual input gain and what is claimed by the code 14.47.54 # pamaury: g#1375 is the thing i was talking yesterday 14.47.55 # 3Gerrit review #1375 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1375 : 3Fix HP output volume when monitor mode is active by Cástor Muñoz 14.51.16 Join paulk-collins [0] (~paulk@gagarine.paulk.fr) 14.58.42 # prof_wolfff: thanks, I don't know what do think, I don't know sound.c well enough. Did ask jhMikes what he thinks about it ? He was the one who wrote most of the audio code 15.00.02 # pamaury: will try to contact jhMikes to see what he thinks about it 15.02.37 # but on principle I think it's a good idea 15.09.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.12.06 Join xorly [0] (~xorly@ip-89-176-117-132.net.upcbroadband.cz) 15.21.30 # prof_wolfff: one concern I have with your patch is that it does not make a distinction between devices that could do tone control even with analog control and those that can't (either because it's done in hw in the digital path, or because it's done in sw in dsp). I don't know if there even are devices that can done hardware analog tone control 15.27.00 # prof_wolfff: do you know the WM codecs a bit ? 15.27.09 # WM8978 in particular 15.28.52 Quit athidhep (Quit: athidhep) 15.43.38 # pamaury: i don't known the WM codecs, only the cs42l55, but what is the problem? 15.44.24 # the volume gain range claimed in the header doesn't seem to match what the code is doing, but I don't know if I'm missing something or if it's just a mistake 15.45.05 # about the patch, really it affects the devices that uses the prescaler, no matter why, yesterday i was thinking it was only for HW tone, but today i realized that it is also for SW tone 15.48.48 # in monitor mode the prescaler have no sense because it is used to compensate the volume attenuation used when applying tone controls, but these tone controls are not used because the monitor mode is just an analog passthrough with no other settings than the volume (DAC attenuation) AFAIK 15.52.22 # well the question is the following: what does tone control means ? It if means "tone control on DAC output", then yes prescaling on analog passthrough doesn't make any sense. If it means "tone control on HP/lineout output" then it makes sense if the hardware can do it 15.54.25 # basically I would summarize it like this: we have a huge documentation problem in audiohw/sound, because we have settings that correspond to a "virtual codec" that is not described anywhere. I would really like to have a picture in the wiki that shows how and WHERE the different effects and setting take place 15.54.48 # I am willing to make the picture but I just don't know how the whole thing works 15.55.04 # i was refering to "tone control on DAC output" by HW or SW, if really don't know if "tone control on HP/lineout" exists on RB, but if these targets exists then they should not being using the prescaler so they are not affected by the patch 15.58.20 # i am also a bit lost on the sound chain, just found this issue and tried to fix it quickly but there are so much code unknown for me 15.59.31 # yeah same for me 15.59.57 # I am also confused about what CLIPPING_CAP and PRESCALER_CAP do exactly 16.00.53 # Let me send an email to jhMikes, I'll put you copy if you want 16.03.43 # it seems the CLIPPING_CAP if for target that can do tone control (on HW for Classic) with no clipping, the gain decreased lets say -3 dB before increasing bass in +3dB, then at the DAC output the prescaler (+3dB) is added to the final volume, this avoid clipping when applying the tone at high volume levels 16.04.00 # *is for targets that* 16.09.25 # please contact jhMikes to ask what he thinks about this 16.11.47 # prof_wolfff: let me rephrase to see if I get it right: with CLIPPING_CAP, if you set bass boost to +3dB, it assumes that the audiohw_* code compensate for it somehow to avoid clipping. But without CLIPPING_CAP, it is assumed that the hardware does not compensate and thus it uses the DAC volume to avoid clipping. 16.12.19 # not exactly... 16.12.43 # i am going to refering to cs42l55 that uses HW bass/treble 16.13.09 # on this codec the bass/treble can be increased up to +12dB 16.13.35 # and the HP/line-out output can be boosted also up to +12 dB 16.14.37 # if the music you are going to increase the bass is at 0dB then apply +12 db bass will clip (inside the codec DSP) 16.15.14 # so the digital audio is decreased in -12 db and then applied the +12 db bass (all of this on HW) 16.16.08 # if latter we increase the output DAC in +12 db then we have the original music (at 0 dB) with +12 db applied in the bass frequency range 16.18.08 # the digital audio is decreased in -12 db using the DSP digital volume and latter increased using the output analog DAC volume 16.22.39 # and ok, but it is not entirely clear to: 16.22.39 # - with AUDIOHW_HAVE_CLIPPING: no prescaling is done, the code assumes the hardware does it all by itself (somehow) 16.22.39 # - without AUDIOHW_HAVE_CLIPPING: some prescaling needs to be done and is done in the DSP 16.22.39 DBUG Enqueued KICK pamaury 16.22.39 # where does AUDIOHW_HAVE_PRESCALER and audiohw_set_prescaler fits there ? 16.22.40 # i think that CLIPPING_CAP is for target that can not do this thing to avoid clipping 16.25.26 # well, the relation between HAVE_CLIPPING and HAVE_PRESCALER is also a mystery for me, it seems that should be the same !HAVE_CLIPPING->HAVE_PRESCALER but maybe the prescaler is used for other things? 16.26.03 # I am looking at the MAS35xx datasheet, this is only one with CLIPPING_CAP 16.28.13 # for HW tone controls, if the codec cannot modify digital volume _before_ increasing tone then it is going to clip, unless the decrease in volume prior to applying the tone will be done in SW 16.29.09 # yeah, that's why I kind of assumed that AUDIOHW_HAVE_PRESCALER would mean the hardware can do prescaling before effects 16.29.20 # (so there would be no need to do it in the DSP in RB) 16.29.57 # yes, but today i realized that sansa zip clip that uses SW tone controls also defines HAVE_PRESCALER 16.34.38 # or maybe the HAVE_CLIPPING is not related with the decrease of volume before applying tone, but the increase of volume at the DAC output without clipping? cs42l55 can boost HP up to +12dB but maybe other codecs cannot do that 16.37.49 # the reason to decrease volume in HW if possible and not in SW is optimization thought 16.38.01 # prof_wolfff: where do you see that clip zip defines HAVE_PRESCALER ? 16.38.47 # codecs with PRESCALER_CAP are: wm8751, mas35xx, cs42l55, wm9878 and uda1380 16.39.22 # WM8751 defines PRESCALER_CAP but the way it is handled seems wrong: prescaler volume changes DAC volume (so after effects) and set_volume changes HP volume 16.40.08 # sorry, my fault, it defines TONE_PRESCALER in sound.c, that results on applying the prescaler in set_prescaled_volume() 16.42.10 # wm8978 does the same thing with prescaler, weird 16.42.35 # what does cs42l55 does in audiohw_set_prescaler ? 16.44.42 # it sets the digital output volume (master volume), it seems it is done on the DSP and before the bass/treble is applied in that DSP 16.45.08 # prof_wolfff: interesting, the MAS3507D does what you expect: the hardware has a digital prescale BEFORE the effect, that what set_presale changes 16.45.12 Quit robertd (Quit: Page closed) 16.46.47 # can someone knowing about keymapping can have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/13073 ? 16.47.11 # in cs42l55 there is this master digital volume and the HP volume that is what i call the DAC volume, it is only one analog volume at the output of the DAC and one digital volume on the HW DSP 16.48.31 # uda1380 also has a digital mixer before bass and treble 16.49.37 # the digital mixer allows to do a digital monitor loop that uses the DSP effects, in addition there is the usual analog passthrought monitor 16.51.12 # ok so reading wm8750 and wm8978 datasheet carefully, it looks like digital volume is applied before effects 16.51.30 # so I think it's faire to say that HAVE_PRESCALER means that the hardware can do volume adjustment before tone control 16.55.45 # *fair 16.56.01 # ah!, true, it seems that audiohw_set_prescaler() is implemented in SW (audiohw-swcodec.c) for Clip Zip 16.56.56 # prof_wolfff: yeah that's the default implemenation: it falls back to RB DSP tone control 16.57.16 # but I still don't really understand CLIPPING_CAP. I looks like CLIPPING_CAP means you don't apply any prescaler 16.58.25 # pamaury: did you have another look at that lang makefile fix? 16.58.37 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 16.58.37 # * gevaerts decides that pamaury doesn't have enough to do :) 16.58.48 Join mc2739 [0] (~mc2739@rockbox/developer/mc2739) 16.58.48 # maybe it is because you cannot add the prescaler at the output without clipping ? 16.59.14 # gevaerts: no sorry, I thought I would try to torture your patch to try and break it, but I go side tracked on audiohw issues 16.59.37 # gevaerts: but reading the patch, I am confident it looks correct, so if you tried to break it and failed, that's good enough I would say 16.59.45 # We could just push it and have the build farm torture it :) 17.00.03 # gevaerts: sounds good ;) 17.00.16 # I tried several combinations of make after deleting various files. Let's hopt that's good enough :) 17.00.34 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 45c6785, 255 builds, 15 clients. 17.00.45 # OK, now let's wait for "everything red" :) 17.01.41 # prof_wolfff: my understanding is that CLIPPING_CAP disables SW prescaler, and because CLIPPING_CAP seems incompatible with PRESCALER_CAP, it disables HW prescale as well. So I can only assume that it means the hardware can do clipping prevention all by itself 17.02.07 # which looks concistent with this comment in mas35xx.h: 17.02.08 # * need the prescaler -> CLIPPING_CAP */ 17.02.15 # * MAS3587F and MAS3539F handle clipping prevention internally so we do not 17.02.26 # huh copy pasted in the wrong order ^^ 17.04.43 # nice! so it should be ANTICLIPPING_CAP :) 17.08.40 # indeed the MAS3587 has an AVC (Audio Volume Correction) that prevents clipping 17.09.09 # it will automatically decrease gain if the volume is too high to prevent clipping when applying tone controls 17.09.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.11.04 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 631 seconds. 17.11.05 # Build Server message: 3Revision 45c6785 result: 8 errors 0 warnings 17.11.09 # ok so I will send an email to jhMikes to ask to confirm our findings 17.11.30 # ok 17.12.15 Join athidhep [0] (~afoakf@unaffiliated/athidhep) 17.12.26 # gevaerts: that's odd to say the least, what is this debug_menu error ? 17.12.50 # and apparently it didn't fix the problem for onda 17.13.25 # Bah 17.13.28 # strangely the problem always appear on the same client, is it possible that is a make bug for example ? 17.14.19 # Hmmm 17.18.40 Quit petur (Remote host closed the connection) 17.19.57 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision d938411, 255 builds, 15 clients. 17.21.58 # Let's see if this shows unusual make versions, and if the debug_menu error repeats itself 17.29.05 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 548 seconds. 17.29.06 # Build Server message: 3Revision d938411 result: All green 17.29.20 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p4FC103B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.38.48 Quit krnlyng (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.39.34 # OK, the suspect builds were all done by different machines this time. We'll have to wait and see... 17.44.44 # hum this is odd, the wm8978 does some strange routing. It routes radio signal through a pga at 0dB instead of bypassing it 17.49.44 # this is particularly stupid considering that on YPR1 the radio comes from AUX which doesn't have a PGA. Meaning that that you cannot even benefit from this PGA in all cases 17.51.10 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@178.114.93.114.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 17.53.18 # on cs42l55 is the same, the analog monitor goes through the PGA, it only can be bypassed when the input is routed to the ADC 17.56.31 # on wm8978 you can bypass it because the output of the pga goes to a mux that can either select pga or line-in directly, and the pga can select between line-in and mic. So it makes sense to go through pga if you have a microphone. But WM8978 driver does handle any microphone anyway because no target has it 17.59.47 # damn this wm8978 is so complicated 18.01.29 # on cs42l55 the PGA also receives some feedback from some post-process after ADC output, i am not sure exactly what it does (need to do test using some known wave) but it seems that it is used as some kind of AGC and/or clipping prevention at input 18.05.01 Join einhirn_ [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 18.05.21 # I am also puzzled because it has special code for the YPR1 radio, but given what I see, I highly suspect radio recording is broken 18.06.33 Quit einhirn (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 18.06.40 # i am doing some rewrite on the cs42l55 codec and was planing to use the digital monitor to listen to FM (so you can use tone controls), and use the analog monitor for recording (so you can listen what is being recorded) 18.07.56 # prof_wolfff: can you do adc -> dac on chip ? (ie without sending the data to the cpu and back) 18.08.19 # I think most chip can't 18.09.14 # yes, the digital monitor uses the mixer (mix PCM + ADC) so also allows to listen the keyclick (dont know if this feature is only for ipod) mixed with FM input 18.10.07 # the data is not sent to the CPU, the mix is done in HW 18.11.54 # unless you are recording, in that case the data is also sent to the CPU, but the mix is still done in HW (ADC input + PCM), PCM is only silence when recording 18.12.24 # PCM is keyclick when listening to FM 18.15.18 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p4FC103B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.18.50 Quit einhirn_ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 18.40.50 # pamaury: about recording on R1: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SamsungYPR1 " It is possible to record. Need to write down the ALSA recording wrapper. " 18.43.49 # you can also have a look at related g#634 18.43.52 # 3Gerrit review #634 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/634 : 3Samsung YP-R0: enable FM tuner recording by Lorenzo Miori 18.46.50 Join cereal_killer [0] (506e4ca7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.110.76.167) 18.48.49 # I successfully compiled a bootloader for the x5. I want to aply patch FS#5289. Do I need the diff file from the discussion at the end of the page? Or is the dual.patch file the file I want? 18.48.49 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5289 3Dual Boot for X5 (patches, closed) 18.51.40 # I dont understand what those different files are for. 18.55.05 # First time working with development environment. 19.06.06 Join Rower [0] (husvagn@d83-183-134-99.cust.tele2.se) 19.09.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.32.07 # * __builtin is getting some weird behavior on linux with the ipod6g 19.32.29 # <__builtin> when I plug it in, HID works, but no mass storage device is detected 19.32.33 # <__builtin> any ideas? 19.33.03 Quit Galois (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 19.37.00 # Is the .diff file on the bottom already part of the dul.patch file on the top of the page? 19.40.15 # cereal_killer: the patch is closed " r30018 implements dual boot support based on the latest version of this patch" 19.40.48 # <__builtin> hmm, looks like a reboot solved the problem 19.44.19 # oh, I see. Is the behaviour of the boot process as described in the details, because in the comments it says: short press=RB, long press=OF. 19.44.54 # lebellium: I was talking about the ypr1 which uses a different audio chip 19.46.40 # I just meant that recording is not broken, it's just not implemented. Lorenzo didn't have time to finish the port 19.47.24 # ah ok 19.47.31 # FM radio is supposed to work on R1 but I don't see the FM menu 19.48.01 # the R1 port is still quite a draft 19.48.07 # it's a pity Lorenzo gave up 19.52.32 Part cereal_killer 19.55.48 # lebellium: what is missing ? 19.59.40 # I have a YP-R1... but with the problems of building the toolchain, that doesn't motivate me 20.02.25 # well some optimization for touch use (for instance you can't set time for the moment). More documentation, SVG pic, added to the theme page (I made a nice theme some years ago I can't upload anywhere) 20.02.52 # I don't understand why the FM menu is missing right now. But that may be due to the beta bootloader 20.03.33 # It would be great to bring it to unstable status 20.03.44 # it's not even listed as unusable right now 20.05.25 # I have a working toolchain for R0 (I guess it's the same for R1?). I don't know how/if I can share it with you 20.06.47 # most of plugins/games don't work 20.07.01 # there is much to do if someone gets the motivation 20.07.04 # and time :S 20.15.00 # And the cabbiev2 theme is partly broken (the progress bar) 20.38.14 Quit edhelas (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 20.39.00 Quit krabador (Remote host closed the connection) 20.39.32 Join ujcroon [0] (~user@cpc19-lewi14-2-0-cust242.2-4.cable.virginm.net) 20.59.40 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@124-148-188-153.dyn.iinet.net.au) 20.59.40 Quit JdGordon (Changing host) 20.59.40 Join JdGordon [0] (~jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) 21.02.54 Quit JdGordon_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 21.09.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.21.41 # does anyone know about ipod nanos? 21.22.56 # ujcroon: you might be more luck during the week. This week-end was particularly calm. Maybe prof_wolfff knows ? 21.24.55 # ok i will try tomorrow 21.40.48 Part ujcroon 21.44.22 Join Galois [0] (djao@efnet.math.uwaterloo.ca) 22.04.03 # prof_wolfff: do you know what the purpose of audiohw_set_lineout_volume ? 22.04.22 # as far as I can tell, the *only* call to this is in sound.c and it's audiohw_set_lineout_volume(0, 0) 22.31.31 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 22.38.12 Join edhelas [0] (~edhelas@145.133.43.230) 22.48.49 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-123-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 22.56.32 Quit xorly (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 22.57.47 Join NathanV [0] (68dc3297@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.220.50.151) 22.58.26 Join Hoshi [0] (~Hoshi@aayl141.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) 23.03.34 # pamaury: about the line-out, i figured it is always at 0 dB to use it as a "normalized" line-out, anyway the prescaler problem is there when analog monitor is done on line-out 23.04.37 # the external fm-radio for ipod algo includes a line-out-device that uses the line-out to connect HP there, and works well when it is always to 0dB because the LOD attenuates this line-out to control volume of the headphone connected to that LOD 23.04.43 # *also* 23.04.57 # prof_wolfff: no it was just because I am trying to build the complete picture about what rockbox supports, and it seems lineout is "supported" but not really 23.05.25 # *lineout volume 23.06.44 # the ipod LOD is a device that uses line-out at 0dB and then it attenuates the volume using iAP commands sent to the LOD, but the line-out level must be always at 0dB 23.07.23 # unless you need to use the volume cap, in that case the apple OF attenuates the line-out volume supplied to the LOD 23.09.08 # but i think that for general targets it should be at 0 dB and the external device connected between line-out and HP should attenuate to control the final volume, thought 23.09.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.10.53 # well the thing is that line-out covers a whole of possible things, it could be used for HP or giving sound to an amplifier. But in any case, I think the definition of line-out is that it should be at 0dB which is why I was even surprised to see a lineout volum in the first place :) 23.10.56 # just to be more clear: volume cap -> volume limit, may be device Europe volume limit or user volume limit 23.11.27 # I am not sure a volume cap really makes sense on lineout though, because by definition it is not amplified 23.11.35 Quit athidhep (Quit: athidhep) 23.12.45 # i figure that apple OF attenuates real line-out to use external devices that are not aware of the volume limit because they was older to the EU legislation 23.14.36 # the problem that Apple tries to solve is that these LOD devices also changes volume by themselves because some includes buttons to set volume +/-, if line-out is not attenuated then these devices can go above limited EU by themselves 23.15.48 # yeah but that's clearly the wrong approach, the LOD should have setting and a limiter. Anyway, that's an Apple problem ;) 23.16.18 # this is the problem i was refering yesterday to be possibly only an ipod issue 23.16.51 Quit edhelas (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 23.17.59 # newer apple accessories does what you are pointing and are aware of the EU volume cat using an iAP command that the player send to the LOD, but older devices does not includes this command 23.18.12 # *EU volume cap* 23.19.14 # in case the player detects that the devices does not support the volume limit command, then it attenuates line-out in the same magnitude as the volume limit applied 23.19.29 Quit lebellium (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 48.0.1/20160817112116]) 23.21.11 # yeah well, Apple OF does lots of things with iAP I guess, lots of magic involved 23.22.09 # yes, the problem is that something of this must be implemented in RB if we can make the volume limit to work with these LOD devices 23.22.31 # *if we want make* 23.22.53 # our iAP support is nowhere near apple anyway right ? 23.23.56 # yes, it is very limited because iAP is a beast, but it seems to work well with the more simple and common devices 23.24.40 # one of them is this FM+LOD combo 23.30.17 Quit alexweissman (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 23.30.51 Join ulmutul [0] (~chatzilla@x5f757ff0.dyn.telefonica.de) 23.31.33 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-123-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 23.33.52 # lebellium: I transferred your patch FS#13073 to gerrit (see g#1384). However I don't have the toolchain to compile, so someone else should test before it gets pushed. 23.33.53 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/13073 3Samsung YP-R0, bug, Colour Configuration (bugs, unconfirmed) 23.33.53 # 3Gerrit review #1384 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1384 : 3Samsung YP-R0: Fix settings keymap (apply FS#13073 by lebellium) by Sebastian Leonhardt 23.54.44 Quit paulk-collins (Quit: Leaving)