--- Log for 08.09.116 Server: barjavel.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 10 days and 18 hours ago 00.06.51 Quit krabador (Quit: Leaving) 00.07.53 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 00.08.05 Quit krabador (Remote host closed the connection) 00.14.34 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 01.04.02 Quit ender` (Quit: There are three deaths. The first is when the body ceases to function. The second is when the body is consigned to the grave. The third is that moment, sometime in the future, when your name is spoken for the last time. — David Eagleman) 01.09.39 Quit Bray90820 () 01.16.47 Quit shdwprince (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 01.20.07 # <[Saint]> saratoga: huh - that is neat. 01.20.45 # <[Saint]> still no hope for Rockbox in any shape or form that anyone would recognize as Rockbox, but - options are good. 01.31.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.35.22 # is there a way to quick add a song to a playlist? 01.37.40 Join soadroxs [0] (~soadroxs@a94-133-123-185.cpe.netcabo.pt) 01.37.51 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 01.38.05 # <[Saint]> context menu is your friend. 01.39.55 # Hello, I'm thinking of buying a DAP to install Rockbox, but I wanted to know if Last.fm scrobble logs created by Rockbox are still possible to upload. The apps on the Rockbox wiki are all pretty outdated and there is no recent info about this topic on the Internet 01.40.46 # <[Saint]> Well, the format hasn't changed. 01.40.53 # <[Saint]> So - yes, I guess. 01.41.26 # <[Saint]> The issue would just be in /how/ you did so, but the logging itself hasn't changed on either end. 01.44.31 # Well I found a post on reddit from 2015, a person with a Sansa Clip+ couldn't upload their scrobbles due to the outdated client 01.44.46 # I'm going to try and find an example log and upload it myself for testing 01.44.55 # Thanks [Saint] ! 01.46.02 # <[Saint]> Yeah, the issue here would only be in finding clients capable of doing it. 01.46.14 # <[Saint]> The logging format on our end, and theirs, hasn't changed. 02.00.42 Join JanC_ [0] (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 02.01.45 Quit JanC (Killed (kornbluth.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))) 02.01.45 Nick JanC_ is now known as JanC (~janc@lugwv/member/JanC) 02.25.20 Quit Link8 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 02.45.19 # <__builtin> hmm, what is saratoga's guide doing exactly? 02.45.24 # <__builtin> it's replacing the 02.45.31 # <__builtin> "stock firmware" with "sandisk firmware" 02.58.28 Join saratoga_ [0] (4972225e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.114.34.94) 02.59.03 # __builtin: IIRC, it uploads some atj firmware to the player which then enables flashing a normal sandisk firmware on to a player that was sold with a locked down firmware to prisoners 02.59.21 # although i'm not sure what its uploading 02.59.34 # <__builtin> ok 03.00.20 # <[Saint]> I find it mildly hilarious the lengths that the UK prisons systems will go to to attempt to lock people out of these devices. 03.00.43 # <[Saint]> Considering the lengths that they /won't/ go to, which are very highly obvious. 03.01.37 # <[Saint]> The very obvious solution is just gutting the data lines and disallowing self-updating altogether. 03.01.52 # * [Saint] should apparently work for the prisons system 03.01.58 # I think that is US prison system 03.02.07 # although its possible they both use the same 03.02.19 # <__builtin> any chance of getting a skeleton rockbox on there? 03.02.21 # <[Saint]> Ah. Hmmm. Right. The UK does something /very/ similar, also with SanDisk devices. 03.02.29 # <[Saint]> __builtin: nope. 03.02.52 # <__builtin> GNU SportBox 03.03.17 # <[Saint]> Rockbox would be completely unrecognizable. What you see is basically the full extent of what the hardware is capable of. 03.03.30 # but yes, it does seem very unfair 03.03.45 # i assume the purpose of not cutting the data lines is that they're selling music to prisoners 03.04.14 # <[Saint]> It isn't "unfair", IMO. These fucks got themselves in prison...they can deal with it. 03.04.33 # <[Saint]> What it /is/ is idiotic, as they take steps in software to prevent what should be done in hardware. 03.04.51 # unfair that once they're out they have to pay more to unlock the firmware 03.05.17 # <[Saint]> or, just, ...don't. It's a SanDisk. Get a new one. 03.05.32 # i actually looked briefly at the firmware on the locked down clip+ they had back in the day, but didn't get very far 03.06.29 # unlocking one of those was fun since you had to short the NAND pins 03.06.44 # <[Saint]> If *I* did this, I'd gut the data lines on USB, nuke self updating, and allow media transfer through microSD only, that was uploaded by corrections staff on-demand on an order basis. 03.06.58 # <[Saint]> But, I guess these guys just plain aren't that smart. 03.07.19 # <[Saint]> These things are cheap enough that if they fail, there's no point in recovery. 03.07.40 # <[Saint]> just toss 'em, or send them to SanDisk for refurbishment, as they obviously have a contract. 03.07.41 # yeah, although getting the legally purchased music off is probably a bigger concern 03.08.00 # <__builtin> "copy to microsd" 03.08.28 # apparently the stock firmware does not allow removing the music from the internal storage without paying the company that makes the firmware 03.08.41 # which is why that guide flashes the atj firmware first 03.08.49 # <__builtin> huh 03.09.05 # its actually a little surprising that they were willing to pay a firmware developer to implement that 03.09.30 # <[Saint]> I would probably handle this by way of the prison system licensing the media, as you likely want to control what is allowed and what isn't anyway - no gang afilliated rap, no violence, etc. 03.09.39 # <[Saint]> same way a streaming service does it. 03.09.49 # <[Saint]> so the prisoner never /owns/ the media. 03.10.26 # * [Saint] should apparently work for the prisons system indeed - I just solved all their issues. 03.11.39 # <__builtin> any plans to try to get /something/ running on there? 03.12.32 # <[Saint]> No one has expressed any interest in this barring establishing that the hardware absolutely can not Run Rockbox as it exists in any shape or form that anyone would recognize. 03.13.07 # <[Saint]> Our theme engine alone would overflow the available resources. And carving out the theme engine is...a LOT of work. 03.13.11 # <[Saint]> Like. A lot a lot. 03.13.25 # <__builtin> well, rockbox isn't going to run then 03.13.37 # <[Saint]> Welcome to ~18 months ago. :) 03.13.44 # I'm getting an error trying to build rockbox on linux, "lang_enum.h 03.14.23 # oops, nevermind 03.15.59 # <[Saint]> From what I know of the hardware, the two fullscreen bitmaps we want to allocate for the theme engine would flood the available resources in this, without even considering any audio buffer. 03.16.22 # <[Saint]> I assume the LCD has its own caching magic to make things easier on them in this regard. 03.17.58 # <[Saint]> Anyhoo - must run, supposed to be watching a film, getting dirty looks. 03.18.02 # <[Saint]> o/ 03.31.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.43.12 Nick Strife89|Quassel is now known as Strife89 (~quassel@adsl-98-80-191-250.mcn.bellsouth.net) 03.47.53 Quit saratoga_ (Quit: Page closed) 04.06.50 Quit soadroxs (Quit: Leaving) 05.14.42 Quit krabador (Remote host closed the connection) 05.20.59 Join Link8 [0] (~me@546AC6B1.cm-12-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 05.25.30 Quit Link8 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 05.31.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.43.17 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 05.52.32 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 06.08.51 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 06.33.32 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 06.36.33 Quit nlogex (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07.15.39 Quit amayer (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 07.31.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.46.51 Join amayer [0] (~amayer@mail.weberadvertising.com) 07.53.52 Quit evilnick_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07.54.04 Quit gevaerts (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 08.13.05 Join wodz [0] (~wodz@iwl138.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) 08.23.18 Join edhelas [0] (~edhelas@145.133.43.230) 08.28.58 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.32.59 Quit edhelas (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 08.41.56 Quit amiconn (Remote host closed the connection) 08.41.56 Quit pixelma (Remote host closed the connection) 08.44.58 Join pixelma [0] (~pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 08.45.00 Join amiconn [0] (~amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 08.49.56 Join edhelas [0] (~edhelas@145.133.43.230) 09.07.06 Quit edhelas (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 09.20.02 Quit toli (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 09.20.25 Join paulk-aldrin [0] (~paulk@armstrong.paulk.fr) 09.26.24 Join Link8 [0] (~me@546AC6B1.cm-12-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) 09.26.25 Join toli [0] (~toli@ip-62-235-221-149.dsl.scarlet.be) 09.26.57 Quit Link8 (Remote host closed the connection) 09.28.36 Quit foolsh (Remote host closed the connection) 09.30.50 Join foolsh [0] (~starchase@2601:241:c280:8985:f9ca:d7b0:c71e:172) 09.31.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.38.31 Join Bray90820 [0] (~bray90820@50-83-212-56.client.mchsi.com) 09.39.19 Quit Bray90820 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.39.54 Join Bray90820 [0] (~bray90820@50-83-212-56.client.mchsi.com) 09.40.49 Quit Bray90820 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.41.26 Join Bray90820 [0] (~bray90820@50-83-212-56.client.mchsi.com) 09.42.30 Quit Bray90820 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09.43.08 Join Bray90820 [0] (~bray90820@50-83-212-56.client.mchsi.com) 09.43.38 Quit Bray90820 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.07.17 Quit girafe (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10.11.42 Join evilnick [0] (~evilnick@rockbox/staff/evilnick) 10.12.09 Join gevaerts [0] (~fg@rockbox/developer/gevaerts) 10.17.00 Join elensil [0] (~edhelas@2001:1c02:1903:d800:c4c0:370f:a3f0:ad59) 11.02.44 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:9932:4bdb:6e5e:2401) 11.09.17 Join shdwprince [0] (~textual@130.180.217.249) 11.31.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.39.45 Join kugel_ [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 11.40.51 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 11.51.05 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 11.56.38 Join fs-bluebot_ [0] (~fs-bluebo@xd9bee07e.dyn.telefonica.de) 11.56.56 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 11.57.01 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 11.57.51 Join kugel_ [0] (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 11.58.53 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 12.01.28 Quit kugel (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12.19.30 Quit robertd (Quit: Page closed) 12.20.07 Quit elensil (Quit: Leaving.) 12.27.31 Join soap [0] (~soap@rockbox/staff/soap) 12.28.47 Join robertd [0] (c9d3b7fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.211.183.253) 12.29.49 Quit soap_ (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 12.33.29 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 12.51.08 Nick kugel_ is now known as kugel (~kugel@rockbox/developer/kugel) 12.58.25 Quit shdwprince (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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