--- Log for 19.10.116 Server: karatkievich.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 11 days and 2 hours ago 00.16.10 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 00.31.01 # cryham: sounds strange, the fuze+ has very been very stable from some time now 00.31.35 # are you available tomorrow? Maybe we could try to debug this 00.48.13 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 01.14.45 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 01.20.50 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 01.29.27 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@2001-18e8-2-28cc-f000-3a0.dhcp6-bl.indiana.edu) 01.30.19 Quit girafe (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01.33.58 Quit alexweissman (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 01.35.23 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@149.160.182.89) 01.38.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.50.29 Quit krabador (Quit: Leaving) 01.51.02 Part robertd1 01.51.21 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.211.40.88) 01.51.35 Part robertd1 02.00.41 Quit [7] (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.10.49 Join CrashBash-Kun [0] (~CrashBash@unaffiliated/crashbash-kun) 02.10.59 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 02.13.43 Quit bzed (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.15.58 Join bzed [0] (~bzed@shell.bzed.at) 02.19.57 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 02.21.43 Quit bzed (Remote host closed the connection) 02.33.14 Join bzed [0] (~bzed@shell.bzed.at) 02.38.47 Quit bzed (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 02.41.37 Join bzed [0] (~bzed@shell.bzed.at) 03.17.34 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-123-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 03.38.40 Join [7] [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 03.39.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.41.12 Join chrisb [0] (~chrisb@pool-71-175-251-90.phlapa.east.verizon.net) 04.23.11 Join vincentflyson [0] (~vincentfl@cupcake.uberspace.net) 04.58.57 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 05.27.26 Quit krabador (Quit: Leaving) 05.39.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.09.33 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-123-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 06.14.11 Quit alexweissman (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06.52.57 Quit [7] (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 06.53.09 Join The_Prospector|2 [0] (~The_Prosp@c-73-239-179-79.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 06.54.37 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.55.50 Quit The_Prospector (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 07.21.56 Quit CrashBash-Kun (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07.39.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.56.15 # i am available, we could try 08.00.12 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.02.20 Quit Bray90820 (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 08.04.55 Join Bray90820 [0] (~bray90820@50-83-212-56.client.mchsi.com) 08.11.46 Nick GodEater` is now known as GodEater (~whoknows@176.252.249.150) 08.11.59 Quit GodEater (Changing host) 08.11.59 Join GodEater [0] (~whoknows@rockbox/staff/GodEater) 08.17.16 Quit amiconn (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 10.39.02 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 10.49.11 Nick dongs is now known as Thaolia (~dongs@bcas.tv) 10.49.15 Nick Thaolia is now known as dongs (~dongs@bcas.tv) 11.05.07 Join robertd1 [0] (~root@201.211.40.88) 11.14.28 Quit dfkt_ (Quit: SIC GORGIAMVS ALLOS SVBJECTATOS NVNC.) 11.14.54 Join dfkt [0] (~dfkt@unaffiliated/dfkt) 11.18.19 Join bluebrother [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 11.18.49 Join fs-bluebot [0] (~fs-bluebo@xd9bea584.dyn.telefonica.de) 11.20.51 Quit fs-bluebot_ (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 11.21.52 Quit bluebrother^ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 11.34.18 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 11.39.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.53.43 # cryham: are you free this afternoon? (ie in a few hours, don't know which timezone you are in) 12.15.23 # yeah 12.16.47 # i'm in gmt+2 got 12:16 pm now 12.22.41 # ok great, I'll be free around 2pm GMT+1, see if we can find the problem... 12.25.30 # ok cool 12.51.21 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 13.08.36 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~root@unaffiliated/thelemonman) 13.39.14 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 13.41.47 Join chrisb [0] (~chrisb@pool-71-175-251-90.phlapa.east.verizon.net) 13.57.29 # cryham: are you here? 14.11.35 Join rogeliodh [0] (~Thunderbi@200.56.67.120) 14.18.34 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 14.21.15 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 14.27.39 # momentary i'm busy 14.27.47 # can it be in 1-2h ? 14.35.48 # sure 14.36.16 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:4097:c623:5356:9d0c) 14.44.49 Quit smoke_fumus (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14.45.05 Join smoke_fumus [0] (~smoke_fum@dynamic-vpdn-93-125-64-19.telecom.by) 15.08.25 Join cryham_ [0] (~cryham@ip-94-42-231-222.multimo.pl) 15.10.59 Quit cryham (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 15.11.11 Nick cryham_ is now known as cryham (~cryham@ip-94-42-231-222.multimo.pl) 15.39.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.43.57 Join uwe__ [0] (~uwe_@ipservice-092-217-123-015.092.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de) 15.44.25 Quit uwe_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 15.48.52 # ok pamaury i'm here, what can i try 15.50.23 # found some old releases 15.50.25 # http://download.rockbox.org/release/ 15.52.59 # but theere arent any for fuzeplus, only fuze and fuzev2 15.55.06 # cryham: first can you describe the problem? 15.55.37 # so, sometimes after power on 15.55.47 # i got a freeze after like 10-20 sec of playing 15.55.51 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-123-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 15.56.08 # usually i can't do anything else but to power off and on again 15.56.33 # then it usually works, sometimes still doesnt 15.56.41 # how often? 15.57.01 # hmm i'd say 30% chance it will freeze 15.57.15 # i think now it's more often 15.57.23 # i got 2016-10 release 15.57.38 # and this problem did not exist in the 3.13 release? 15.57.42 # had 2016-06 before iirc, also had this problem but less often 15.58.01 # i think my first release used was in 2013 and this didnt happen 15.58.43 # is this software, or codec issue, or maybe just something from gui crashing 15.58.45 # hum, we culd try to bisect the problem but if it only happne sometimes it won't be easy 15.58.53 # right 15.59.29 # shouldnt i maybe reset all settings? 15.59.38 # i think i still have the setup from 2013 15.59.42 # brb 16.00.04 # you can try, it's can be a bad idea, although I doubt it's going to make a difference. Are you using the default theme? 16.08.47 Quit krnlyng (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 16.14.26 # no i'm using some other 16.15.20 # ah i see a .backup with rockbox-backup-15fa7f8-130605.zip 16.15.46 # so if i unpack this to and replace .rockbox i can go back to my previous version? 16.15.51 # can you try with the default theme? 16.16.00 # ok 16.18.45 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 16.21.12 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@178.112.158.36.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 16.29.25 # uh which one is the default 16.29.31 # ./rockbox/themes/ 16.29.48 # rockbox_failsafe? 16.31.35 # cabbie_v2 iirc 16.41.24 # hmm so far seems working 16.41.58 # not sure but i had a screen off feature set to 10sec 16.42.39 # i'm thinking now maybe this failed, because i can't this issue with screen off 16.43.29 # always when it freezed i saw now playing screen and it just looked like paused but could go on and didnt react 16.43.37 # i'll test some more 16.45.19 # my theme was based on wps: /.rockbox/wps/ALiEnZIP.wps 16.45.31 # that's what .cfg says 16.48.10 # but with font: /.rockbox/fonts/14-Adobe-Helvetica-Bold.fnt 16.48.17 # cryham: if you could try various things to pinpoint the problem that would be helpful. My feeling is that it's theme related, but if you can show it's related to the screen, I'll be glad to debug that 16.48.25 # and backlight timeout: 10 16.48.41 # ok will do, thanks 16.48.50 # I'll try the theme you mention on mine tonight 16.50.27 # by default it has big letters 16.50.28 # http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=2072 16.50.52 # but with my font setting is normal again, idk maybe that big font breaks something 16.51.42 # well the theme engine is very complicated, it is possible some settings break things. The problem is that it's super hard to debug and nobody seems to be able to pinpoint what exactly causes the bugs 16.53.12 # ah 16.53.30 # IIRC this theme goes real crazy with animation 16.54.47 # robertd1: I have some interesting tests program for the nwz if you want to play :) I'll commit then this afternoon 16.55.25 # I wanted to debug the theme engine by using the MMU, but it requires a lot of work to integrate the MMU into the allocator 16.59.24 # Thats great pamaury, thanks :)! 17.00.26 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: "It's now safe to turn off your computer.") 17.09.23 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision ba91ff1, 255 builds, 15 clients. 17.09.34 # robertd1: done, I would suggest you try test_keys on your device 17.09.55 # it's all explained the README in nwztools/plattools hopefully, but otherwise just ask me 17.10.12 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 17.10.25 # it displays key events, I haven't investigate touchscreen so far 17.10.39 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@140-182-72-59.ssl-vpn.indiana.edu) 17.12.17 # I'm going to investigate the backlight now 17.16.32 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 17.17.05 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 17.20.40 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 677 seconds. 17.20.41 # Build Server message: 3Revision ba91ff1 result: All green 17.39.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.50.31 Join paulk-collins [0] (~paulk@gagarine.paulk.fr) 17.59.04 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 8d24b62, 255 builds, 15 clients. 17.59.15 # robertd1: there is now a backligt test as well 18.01.38 Quit elensil (Quit: Leaving.) 18.08.12 # pamaury I cant find the tests 18.08.24 # it's all in nwztools/plattools 18.08.27 # you need to build them 18.08.38 # read nwztools/plattools/README 18.09.28 # ahh thanks, let me git pull --rebase 18.10.03 Join alexweis_ [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-123-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 18.10.58 Quit alexweissman (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18.12.04 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 781 seconds. 18.12.06 # Build Server message: 3Revision 8d24b62 result: All green 18.17.29 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 18.20.23 Join rela_ [0] (~x@p200300764D4FA100BC18F7FF479CF2F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.20.48 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 0b01ca6, 255 builds, 15 clients. 18.21.16 # now have an adc test, we can read battery with this, also vbus and some other adc channels, not sure if those will be useful 18.22.43 # I'm going to disassemble some code on touchscreen, i'll push it to gerrit so you can test it, I don't have any device with touchscreen 18.23.55 Quit rela (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18.24.08 # there are some interesting power related things to disassemble 18.24.44 # pamaury nice, once its up i let you know about the touchscreen 18.28.16 Part robertd1 18.31.12 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 625 seconds. 18.31.13 # Build Server message: 3Revision 0b01ca6 result: 5 errors 0 warnings 18.31.34 Quit petur (Remote host closed the connection) 18.40.27 Join cc___ [0] (~ac@2001:910:113f:1:6a05:caff:fe1c:1627) 18.48.07 Nick uwe__ is now known as uwe_ (~uwe_@ipservice-092-217-123-015.092.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de) 18.51.10 # woah 13 min for build? is this for all devices or why so long 18.51.35 # all devices ofc 18.52.22 # does the ingenic usb tool work on all jz4760b devices? 18.55.40 Join robertd [0] (c9d32858@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.211.40.88) 19.06.38 # duo8: jz4740_tools has some generic code and some jz4740/device code, also it's annoying to build 19.06.50 # jz4760b_tools is pretty generic 19.06.58 # it works on all jz4760b tools 19.07.15 # are these rockbox developed tools? 19.07.27 # why do you mean? 19.07.40 # i was referring to the ingenic provided tools 19.08.18 # ah, I don't know what ingenic provides 19.08.42 # they have some code on the web which is fairly generic iirc but you would need to be more specific 19.08.45 # why are you asking? 19.08.54 Nick alexweis_ is now known as alexweissman (~alexweiss@c-68-51-123-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 19.11.47 # i want to dump the flash of this device but don't know how 19.11.58 # the fw format isn't obvious either 19.12.41 # I wrote some tools to do that 19.13.15 # although some part is more or less standard and the other depends on the device 19.13.17 # which device? 19.13.26 # can it be dumped through recovery mode? 19.13.36 # yes 19.13.38 # shanling m2, jz4760b 19.16.08 # duo8: if you checkout g#1368 19.16.12 # 3Gerrit review #1368 at http://gerrit.rockbox.org/r/1368 : 3hwstub: add various jz stuff and xburst tests by Amaury Pouly 19.16.26 # you'll find that you can use utils/hwstub/hwstub_shell with the jz4760b recovery mode 19.17.01 # in the case of the fiiox1, you can have a look at what I did in utils/hwstub/tools/lua/fiiox1.lua to dump the flash 19.17.36 # I would suggest you create another file, let's say utils/hwstub/tools/lua/shanlingm2.lua 19.17.54 # copy the function FIIOX1.dump_ipl(file) because it's completely generic 19.19.19 # duo8: something like this https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c743c391fa54b6b51770aa2a569c13a5 19.20.32 # then to run: 19.20.32 # cd /path/to/utils/hwstub/tools 19.20.32 # ./hwstub_shell -f shanglingm2.lua -e "SHANGLINGM2.init()" 19.20.32 DBUG Enqueued KICK pamaury 19.20.32 # (you might need to run it as root) 19.20.38 # it should dump the IPL into a file 19.21.41 # (by the way, if they provide a firmware upgrade file, this whole process is much simpler) 19.22.06 # then you need to disassemble the IPL to find the nand parameters (I can do that if you want, I disassemble most of the Fiio X1 IPL, so it should be much easier) 19.22.11 # then you can dump the SPL 19.23.00 # you can then disassemble the SPL to find the address in nand of the main firmware and dump it similarly 19.23.28 # they do have several fw upgrade files but idk the format 19.24.34 # so basically dump the loaders to get nand params then dump the entire nand with that? 19.25.56 # yeah basically 19.26.17 # duo8: I reverse engineered the "standard" format but they might use something else 19.26.25 # did they release an upgrade ? 19.26.34 # yeah, several 19.26.42 # I can have a look if you want 19.26.43 # it comes as one large file 19.26.51 # ~40MB iirc 19.26.55 # the relevant tool is utils/jz4760b_tools/packtool 19.27.08 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 19.27.08 # * pamaury needs to go but will be back 19.27.24 # http://www.shanling.com/Product/Detail?id=37372cae0d064c6d8b4f838ef5a6fa57 19.27.35 # probably the same fw as the other players 19.31.07 Quit rela_ (Quit: Leaving) 19.31.22 Join rela [0] (~x@pdpc/supporter/active/rela) 19.39.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.52.15 Join petur [0] (~petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.13.24 Quit TheSeven (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20.14.12 # duo8: I'll have a look 20.27.45 Quit chrisb (Remote host closed the connection) 20.28.00 Join girafe [0] (~girafe@LFbn-1-8015-136.w90-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.44.27 Join phil32543 [0] (~smuxi@x2f54826.dyn.telefonica.de) 20.44.59 Quit robertd (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21.04.09 # duo8: m2.fw unpacks fine with packtool 21.06.16 # mkdir m2; packtools --unpack -i m2.fw -o m2/; packtool --descramble -i m2/sys.bin -o m2/sys.bin 21.06.27 # then sys.bin is the main firmware 21.08.27 # if you want to disassemble it, I can send you what I disassemble of the Fiio X1, that might help you 21.09.12 # also some init is done only in the SPL and is not the main firmware, like LCD init 21.11.10 # so I would advise to dump the IPL and SPL anyway 21.21.29 Quit rudi_s (Quit: leaving) 21.24.07 Join rudi_s [0] (~simon@ruderich.eu) 21.35.42 Quit Marex (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 21.39.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.41.05 Join Marex [0] (~Marex@195.140.253.167) 21.45.26 Quit Marex (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 21.46.27 Join Marex [0] (~Marex@195.140.253.167) 22.05.01 Quit cc___ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 22.50.17 # hi there, what current available mp3 player works with rockbox? i loved my sansa clip zip but unfortunately the display broke recently 22.51.30 # The one I'd get today would be iPod Video 5.5G and replacing the HDD with a CompactFlash card... it'd be dirt cheap to do and it's a good player with lots of storage. 22.51.56 Join chrisb [0] (~chrisb@pool-71-175-251-90.phlapa.east.verizon.net) 22.55.02 Join fishbowlkraken [0] (68045391@gateway/web/freenode/ip.104.4.83.145) 22.55.34 # So, I have an odd question. 22.56.25 # If I were to dig up old MP3 players that're anywhere from good condition to sorta-kinda-functional, would I be able to mail it to someone in this chat to try and reverse engineer? 23.00.11 # fishbowlkraken: in theory that's possible, but in practice that doesn't tend to happen. Reverse engineering is a lot of work, and people who have the time and are willing to do it usually already have a stack of players they're interested in 23.01.38 # vincentflyson: do you know where i could get the ipod video 5.5g? 23.02.09 # I kinda figured, though I do have some lying around that're in the wiki already with a bit of life 23.02.12 # like the Samsung K5 23.03.26 # fishbowlkraken: it would be possible, depending on the hardware of course 23.03.48 # Right, yeah, I guess I'm also asking of anyone's interested in me sending them such a thing 23.04.06 # I'd love to get it working on some old devices, and I dunno, it might be an interesting challenge? 23.04.33 # the K5 for example has a big problem which is that is uses raw NAND, that's a massive pain to reverse engineer 23.04.55 # Dang, that's the one I'm most interested in. The inbuilt speakers were a cool feature. 23.06.45 # does it have a SD port? 23.07.14 # unfortunately no 23.07.36 # funny, given how fanatical Samsung is about flaunting they have expandable storage now 23.08.07 Quit Strife89 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23.08.13 # give me a minute to look at the wiki 23.10.15 # I also *think* I have a YP-S3 lying around, possibly a Rio Chiba (complete with 128 whole MB of expanded storage courtesy of a full size SD, woooo), a Phillips GoGear (I can't remember if it's one of the ones listed as stable or one of the inactive ports), and a few others 23.10.29 Quit petur (Remote host closed the connection) 23.11.01 # I see there's a port to one of the Palm devices, and I think I have a tungsten of some vintage lying around 23.16.12 # the S3 has the same problem as the K5 I think (it's a common problem among samsung devices) 23.16.41 # Philips uses very confusing model numbers, you would need the exact number 23.16.45 # Yeah, that makes sense. 23.17.02 # I know, that's why I was saying I'm not sure which one it is, but I'll get back to you guys if I dig it upwherever 23.18.08 # Actually my other player might've been the T10. In high school I had a crapton of players in high school 23.18.27 # ah yeah the T10 is nice, it has bluetooth I think? 23.18.28 # *- second in high school, kinda wandering, sorry 23.18.38 # okay yeah, I had the T10 then. 23.18.43 # I loved the BT headphone support 23.19.01 # Back then, having bluetooth headphones was like, craziness 23.21.04 Quit passstab (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23.22.27 Quit phil32543 (Remote host closed the connection) 23.37.56 Join Strife89 [0] (~quassel@adsl-98-80-183-12.mcn.bellsouth.net) 23.37.58 # oh, other question, and I feel like this gets asked fairly often 23.38.12 # have you guys ever thought of doing a port to the Raspberry Pi? 23.38.54 # Adafruit sells this small touchscreen with four buttons attached to it, could make a pretty good DAP, so long as someone printed a good case 23.39.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.42.18 # Well the form fact is not exactly great imo, if you want to make it protable you need a battery, that would make it very bulky 23.43.09 # True, though it'd be smaller than some of the early machines RB was ported to 23.43.39 # And there's been projects like the GameGrrl mini and such that put it to the size of a Gameboy Micro 23.43.48 # so long as you're using the Zero, in that case 23.44.22 Quit Ivoah (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 23.44.38 # I'd say the Zero is closest to a DAP processor anyway, though even it's still overkill compared to all but the beefiest of DAPs on the market 23.45.07 # 512MB RAM and a 1GHz ARM11 is far beyond just about any of the ones supported by RB, if I'm not mistaken 23.48.52 # Well we "support" android and some gamedpad so I would say no, but among more usual devices, it's much more beefy indeed 23.49.19 # though some recent DAP, using the JZ4760B for example, are getting close to that