--- Log for 11.11.116 Server: karatkievich.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 4 days ago 00.01.04 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: "It's now safe to turn off your computer.") 00.04.21 Join Harbec [0] (~Harbec@dsl-159-13.b2b2c.ca) 00.06.28 # im trying to install Rockbox or something to bypass iTunes on an Appel Nanao 4G (model A1285) any suggestions? 00.10.39 # Harbec: check the list of players on the front page, especially this: "If your player is not listed above, then Rockbox does not run on it." 00.13.25 # that's not true, for example, I manage to make a classic iPod 6th generation with dual-boot and they mention it as being an unsupported port 00.14.00 # it is listed though 00.14.37 # it is listed in the UNSUABLE ports 00.17.17 # not the nano 4g 00.18.11 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 00.20.00 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@2001-18e8-2-28cc-f000-5af.dhcp6-bl.indiana.edu) 00.23.42 Quit toehser (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.23.49 Join toehser [0] (~tom@Connqueror.Toms.NET) 00.26.27 Join fxharbec [0] (~Harbec@dsl-159-13.b2b2c.ca) 00.26.42 Quit Harbec (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00.41.05 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 00.50.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.55.39 Part ender` 01.01.03 Join ruhans [0] (uid76353@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ntbqwkwkcbgdiogc) 01.07.29 Quit alucryd (Remote host closed the connection) 01.08.39 Join alucryd [0] (~quassel@archlinux/developer/alucryd) 01.12.23 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@149-160-181-79.dhcp-bl.indiana.edu) 01.53.02 Quit girafe (Quit: Leaving) 01.59.19 # <[Saint]> funman: obviously, you don't know what you're talking about man...it's not like you're a contrubutor and lead developer for several of the listed targets or anything. 01.59.26 # <[Saint]> ...oh, wait. 02.00.08 Quit ZincAlloy (Quit: Leaving.) 02.00.13 # <[Saint]> The idea that people refuse to read the actual description of what constitutes 'unusable' is mildly hilarious. Like we actually took the time to list all the targets that Rockbox /doesn't/ work with. 02.00.20 # <[Saint]> And there's less than a dozen of them. 02.00.34 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 02.01.38 # <[Saint]> Maybe we should drop the ambiguity and instead of stable, unstable, and unusable we should call the target classes John, Steve, and Frank. 02.04.22 Quit fxharbec (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02.13.08 Quit scorche` (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02.13.17 Quit krabador (Quit: Leaving) 02.24.28 Quit krnlyng (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 02.37.51 Join krnlyng [0] (~liar@77.117.105.114.wireless.dyn.drei.com) 02.50.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.04.16 Join scorche [0] (~scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) 03.08.00 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-123-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 03.41.32 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 03.46.32 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-123-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 03.47.09 Quit Bilgus (Quit: Page closed) 03.47.54 Join Bilgus [0] (ae6611d9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.102.17.217) 04.49.24 Quit michaelni (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 04.50.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.01.40 Join michaelni [0] (~michael@213-47-41-20.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) 06.05.57 Join x56 [0] (0x56@unaffiliated/x56) 06.10.24 Quit x56 (Client Quit) 06.11.48 Join x56 [0] (0x56@unaffiliated/x56) 06.13.13 Quit [7] (Disconnected by services) 06.13.22 Join TheSeven [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) 06.42.14 Quit Bray90820_ () 06.49.40 Quit Bilgus (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06.50.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.03.15 Quit amiconn (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) 08.03.15 Quit pixelma (Quit: .) 08.03.29 Join pixelma [0] (~pixelma@rockbox/staff/pixelma) 08.03.30 Join amiconn [0] (~amiconn@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 08.10.16 Quit michaelni (Quit: Leaving) 08.16.18 Join michaelni [0] (~michael@213-47-41-20.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) 08.30.12 Join ender` [0] (krneki@foo.eternallybored.org) 08.50.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.53.17 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 08.53.52 # maybe we should rename unusable to experimentalr or in-development 08.56.56 Join ZincAlloy [0] (~Adium@2a02:8108:8b80:1700:75b0:a585:40cb:2ddd) 08.58.48 Quit michaelni (Quit: Leaving) 09.01.46 Join michaelni [0] (~michael@213-47-41-20.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) 09.01.56 # <[Saint]> pamaury: to be honest, we should rename them all. 09.02.10 # <[Saint]> stable and unstable are ambiguous compared to what they actually mean. 09.02.26 # <[Saint]> neither implies stability or instability. 09.04.19 # <[Saint]> and in-development/experimental conflicts with the development builds. 09.16.18 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 09.31.47 Join einhirn [0] (~Miranda@p4FC102B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 09.51.26 Join elensil [0] (~edhelas@2001:1c02:1903:d800:a1e5:a69:c966:dc19) 10.17.38 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@wks-50-63.mpi-sws.org) 10.17.38 Quit pamaury (Changing host) 10.17.38 Join pamaury [0] (~quassel@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.21.43 # we can rename dev builds to nightly builds ;) 10.22.37 # we could remove one category and have just stable and experimental, but at the end of the day there will always be amgibuous cases 10.23.34 # My point being that it does not matter if the categories are slightly ambiguous as long as they are not suprising/confusing 10.30.14 Quit ruhans (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 10.31.53 # OR maybe we should simply drop all categories with a big "see status page" warning sign 10.39.20 Join pamaury_ [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 10.50.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.35.31 Join Bilgus [0] (ae6611d9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.102.17.217) 11.38.09 # p a m a u r y: you did the fuze port correct? 11.38.39 Join robertd1 [0] (~as@201.208.225.40) 11.52.01 Join TheLemonMan [0] (~root@unaffiliated/thelemonman) 12.00.19 # <[Saint]> That's not going to highlight him. 12.01.28 # <[Saint]> Bilgus: did you do that deliberately, or did some weird client screw that up spectacularly? 12.02.39 # didn't want to bother him with the beep 12.04.22 # <[Saint]> I figure if people didn't want to be bothered by IRC they wouldn't be connected. 12.11.35 # [Saint]: well maybe you know the answer.. on the fuze+ sim it returns ACTION_SETTINGS_INC,.._INCREPEAT, ACTION_SETTINGS_DEC,.._DECREPEAT, on volume change in CONTEXT_FM but it returns the expected ACTION_WPS_VOLDOWN,.._VOLUP while in the wps is this a touchpad/screen device thing or just something weird with the fuze? 12.12.04 # does rockbox only support FAT right now? 12.12.21 # <[Saint]> Yes. Now and forever. 12.13.37 # what about file name limitations? 12.13.54 # <[Saint]> What of them? 12.14.11 # some chars are not allowed 12.14.18 # <[Saint]> So? 12.15.28 # <[Saint]> The interesting bit of the media is in metadata with no such limitations. 12.15.46 # <[Saint]> Should be saving FAT safe for compatibility anyway. 12.17.42 # <[Saint]> Bilgus: it's a side effect of that touchpad technically being a "touchscreen" AFAIK. 12.19.05 # it screw with playlists 12.19.25 # created on computers 12.19.55 # <[Saint]> Only if you're using non-FAT-safe naming schema, which you shouldn't be. 12.20.22 # <[Saint]> Virtually every batch tagged has the option to FAT safe filenames. 12.20.30 # <[Saint]> *tagger 12.21.19 # <[Saint]> MusicBrainz Picard is the obvious choice. 12.24.14 # <[Saint]> The moral of the story is that just because you can use stupid characters on some more lenient filesystems doesn't mean that you should. 12.24.46 # <[Saint]> Make them FAT safe and they'll work everywhere. 12.37.35 # eh screw it, i'm not gonna rename all my files 12.38.04 # but i guess that means FAT has the most filename restrctions? 12.39.27 # <[Saint]> Of the widely used filesystems, yes. 12.39.57 # <[Saint]> Like I said above the process of FAT saying your files can be automated and batched. 12.40.08 # <[Saint]> *safing 12.41.02 # <[Saint]> You usually have to go out of your way to save media files that aren't FAT safe. 12.50.27 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 13.04.30 Quit dan- (Quit: Nyan nyan) 13.11.46 # Bilgus: yes I did 13.12.40 # Bilgus: that's because there is a limited set of keys on the device, in settings I had to use vol up/down to change some settings 13.12.55 # that's why I said there is no obvious mapping between keys and actions 13.13.27 # so would you say that is a caveat to that device only or several? 13.13.33 # on many 13.13.55 # ok thx 13.14.05 # it depends on the available keys 13.14.31 # to be honest I don't remember why it was done like that in the fm screen, I would need to look at it again 13.16.51 # ah yeah, that's because in the fm screen, left/right is to seek. But then there are several settings in a list, so you need up/down to select the setting, and then you need some keys to adjust it, so I chose volume up/down 13.17.10 # something like that 13.20.11 # hum maybe I'm confused, that's in the rec screen 13.21.18 # at least in the sim its the fm screen 13.21.34 # yeah recscreen is complicated, but for fm screen I don't remember why it's done like that 13.21.37 # I haven't tried it on the actual target yet 13.22.58 # Bilgus: ok the real explanation is that the radio screen does not understand wps_volup/down 13.23.10 # ACTION_SETTINGS_INC/DEC changes volume 13.23.28 # look at apps/radio/radio.c, around like 580 13.23.58 # so basically in fm screen ACTION_SETTINGS_INC/DEC is volume +/- 13.24.56 Join dan- [0] (~d@101.165.168.135) 13.24.56 Quit dan- (Changing host) 13.24.56 Join dan- [0] (~d@freenode/corporate-sponsor/privateinternetaccess.com/doaks) 13.26.54 # good enough I just wanted to be sure before I enabled it in all targets 13.39.42 Quit Bilgus (Quit: Page closed) 13.51.14 Join cc___ [0] (~ac@2001:910:113f:1:6a05:caff:fe1c:1627) 14.06.27 Quit tchan (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 14.30.54 Join tchan [0] (~tchan@lunar-linux/developer/tchan) 14.50.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.55.24 Join ruhans [0] (uid76353@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uzinfshpcdekxbcq) 15.04.21 Quit pamaury_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 15.17.42 Join Senji [0] (~Senji@46-10-43-104.ip.btc-net.bg) 15.35.30 Join pamaury_ [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 16.01.21 Quit elensil (Quit: Leaving.) 16.07.35 # Build Server message: 3New build round started. Revision 33856d9, 255 builds, 14 clients. 16.07.51 # robertd1: I pushed the destination changer code in scsitool 16.08.14 # now changing destination should be a matter of 16.08.14 # ./scsitool /dev/sdX dest_tool set CEW off 16.08.14 # for example 16.16.06 # Build Server message: 3Build round completed after 511 seconds. 16.16.07 # Build Server message: 3Revision 33856d9 result: All green 16.40.10 # thanks pamaury :) 16.43.40 Quit TheLemonMan (Quit: "It's now safe to turn off your computer.") 16.47.36 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@ren77-h01-176-151-188-9.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 16.50.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.54.04 Join krabador [0] (~krabador@unaffiliated/krabador) 16.56.11 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 16.56.35 Join lebellium_ [0] (~chatzilla@80.215.5.101) 16.58.28 Quit lebellium (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 16.58.30 Nick lebellium_ is now known as lebellium (~chatzilla@80.215.5.101) 17.15.09 # robertd1: are you available right now or later? I'd like to dump the boot image from your device (because it has a different resolution) to see what it looks like exactly 17.30.57 # Hi pamaury, sure 17.32.55 # ok, wait a minute, I will explain you how to do that 17.37.50 # robertd1: go to utils/nwztools/scripts/ 17.37.54 # download this file: https://gist.github.com/pamaury/2c1d86f748d23cfcaf832caafbeb1c3e 17.37.57 # ok pamaur 17.38.07 # rename it to dump_bti.sh 17.38.39 # downloading it right now 17.38.44 # then run: 17.38.44 # make exec_file NWZ_TARGET=nwz-a860 EXEC=dump_bti.sh UPG=dump_bti_nwza860.upg 17.38.44 # make copy_fw_upgrade UPG=dump_bti_nwza860.upg NWZ_MOUNT=/media/pamaury/WALKMAN/ && umount /media/pamaury/WALKMAN 17.38.46 # sudo make do_fw_upgrade NWZ_DEV=/dev/sdX 17.38.53 # as usual replace the mount point and device by the actual one 17.39.13 # after the fake firmware upgrade, you should find a file called "bti.rgb" at the root of your device, can you send it to me? 17.39.46 # Yes pamaury Ill send it right away 17.40.25 Join lebellium_ [0] (~chatzilla@ren77-h01-176-151-188-9.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 17.43.59 Quit lebellium (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17.44.05 Nick lebellium_ is now known as lebellium (~chatzilla@ren77-h01-176-151-188-9.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 17.45.42 # pamaury, all set. Sent it to your mail 17.49.09 # thanks :) what the resolution of your device? 17.50.32 # youre most welcom, the display resolution is 400 × 240. 17.50.51 # ok thanks 17.51.39 # indeed it is very similar to mine, basically the same with more black background 17.51.43 # pamaury_: 240*400 is the same as mine, you already have it :) 17.53.03 # lebellium: I don't think I have the image for you device, but yeah since they have the same resolution, they sould be the same 18.07.47 Quit lebellium (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18.08.07 Quit pamaury (Remote host closed the connection) 18.08.09 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@ren77-h01-176-151-188-9.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 18.12.04 Quit pamaury_ (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 18.21.00 Quit bluebrother (Disconnected by services) 18.21.05 Join bluebrother^ [0] (~dom@rockbox/developer/bluebrother) 18.21.16 Join fs-bluebot_ [0] (~fs-bluebo@xd9bafc3d.dyn.telefonica.de) 18.23.22 Quit fs-bluebot (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 18.29.46 # thats a great database of player index for the sony players pamaury 18.50.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.56.42 Join pamaury [0] (~pamaury@rockbox/developer/pamaury) 19.32.43 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@2001-18e8-2-28cc-f000-51c.dhcp6-bl.indiana.edu) 19.51.27 Quit Senji (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 20.08.06 # pamaury for a device with no updates the procedure to extract the key is with ./scsitool /dev/sdb get_dnk_nvp? 20.20.36 # get_dnk_nvp kas 20.21.10 # which device are you trying on? 20.21.57 # thank you I am trying to help someone to extract the NWZ-M504 20.22.48 # I don't think it runs linux 20.22.58 # at least it is not listed in sony open source page 20.23.21 # it's too small a player, probably uses a smaller OS and a different soc 20.23.34 Join Bray90820 [0] (~bray90820@50-83-212-56.client.mchsi.com) 20.23.42 # it is a rare device I wasnt even aware it existed. just 8 gb 20.24.34 # probably the best way to get info on it would be to see if it has a recovery mode and if so, what the usb ID that it shows 20.24.46 # something like plugging usb from power off by holding a key 20.27.43 Quit alexweissman (Remote host closed the connection) 20.27.52 # Yes, you are right, thanks. By the way amazing job with the nvp tool 20.33.38 # working on dualboot now 20.50.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.04.18 Join Bilgus [0] (ae6611d9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.102.17.217) 21.07.08 # pamaury: I have the selective backlight patch in a pretty good place should I upload as amend or how do i link back to previous? 21.11.43 # amend it I would say 21.38.16 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-123-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 21.43.12 Quit alexweissman (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21.43.32 # hum, I suspect I bricked my E460... not sure what I've done though 21.46.43 Join alexweissman [0] (~alexweiss@c-68-51-123-75.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 21.49.19 # damn it, this one is just a pain in the ass to unbrick :( 22.02.58 # :-$ does the pc recognizes it? 22.22.28 # no, it's litteraly a brick, stuck at boot, I'll have to remove the flash board 22.28.27 # Once due to a failed software installation mine was in the same situation. its kind of tricky but press power on and reset at the same time whie pluggin the usb 22.28.36 Quit einhirn (Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org) 22.28.40 # *while 22.29.50 # and what is that supposed to do? 22.30.20 # To mine the pc recognized and reinstalled the firmware 22.30.57 # and what is that supposed to do? 22.31.02 # *sorry 22.31.07 # it does nothing on mine 22.31.40 # pressing play on boot give a black screen but no usb connection, some other button do the same, some just don't do anything 22.32.34 # the tiny hole in the back_ 22.33.48 # I know but it's just the reset button, resetting the player does not help 22.34.48 # but it doesn't get past the logo, I might have broken something with a firmware upgrade 22.36.52 # but it doesn't get past the logo, I might have broken something with a firmware upgrade 22.39.06 # what is the power on button on yours? I don't really have the equivalent, or maybe this recovery mode does not exists on mine 22.39.15 # the home button 22.40.19 # it seems to do something but the screen stays black and I don't have a usb connection 22.41.02 # did you leave the buttons pressed until the pc recognizes the device? 22.41.48 # well I've tried holding for 10 sec, still no connection 22.44.10 # I have tried: plug usb, reset while holding home -> black screen 22.44.10 # and: reset while holding and try to plug usb at the same time -> logo 22.44.10 # no connection in any case 22.46.15 # it shuts down after the logo ? 22.46.23 # no, it is stuck 22.47.45 # by any chance do you have a wall charger? 22.48.00 # yes, why? 22.49.13 # another problem with mine is that sometimes does not load unless i try reset it with the charger not the pc 22.49.30 # you plug and then reset why plugged? 22.49.37 # *while 22.49.51 # yes same as the procedure with the pc 22.50.22 # i leave it connected for a few minutes and then boots 22.50.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.51.22 # what is your procedure again: reset while holding home button? 22.51.42 # and with those two presed connect usb 22.51.48 # *pressed 22.52.04 # and do you get a black screen? 22.52.19 # the walkman logo 22.53.32 # so you press reset and home, and while holding plug usb, and then release both? 22.53.45 # I only seem to get a black screen if I insert usb with home button pressed 22.54.16 # yes, in the pc once is recognized i release them, in the wall charger it takes a few minutes then loads 22.55.42 # it doesn't seem to produce any effect on mine but I'll let it plug see if it does anything 22.56.55 # :-$ there is nothing in the nwz e460 service manual 22.58.45 # is it written in the A680 manual? 23.00.17 # no, it is not I was trying to see if there was a similar procedure. I found about mine in the sony forums 23.13.20 # This is silly but it might help https://us.en.kb.sony.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/35672/c/65,66/p/57784,59687,59925,59994/ 23.19.09 # this is not going to work, I don't have a usb connection at all 23.19.19 # anyway, I'll remove the flash, at least this works 23.43.56 Quit amayer (Quit: Leaving) 23.44.06 Quit lebellium (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23.45.36 Join lebellium [0] (~chatzilla@ren77-h01-176-151-188-9.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) 23.55.52 Quit pamaury (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)